Time Nick Message 00:15 IhrFussel Where should I open it? Engine or CDB? 00:15 rubenwardy Engine 00:23 IhrFussel Good enough? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8010 00:23 paramat then i guess we can close #7994 as that now is only about cdb crashes 00:23 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7994 -- Bugs in stujones11's Android 5.0.0-dev builds 00:25 paramat closed 7994, a multi-bug issue was a bad idea 01:21 rubenwardy I think I've found the cause of the memory leak 01:21 rubenwardy it's actually nothing to do with contentdb 01:21 rubenwardy but with how images are shown in the memory 01:22 rubenwardy *menu 01:37 rubenwardy IhrFussel: #8011 01:37 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8011 -- Android: Fix memory leak when displaying images in the mainmenu by rubenwardy 01:46 paramat :) 01:50 rubenwardy This bug has existed for ages, it's just that the contact tab has images big enough to make exceeding the system limit more likely 03:16 IhrFussel rubenwardy, thanks for finding and fixing the bug^^ But I gotta say it's pretty stupid to lose the flag to someone on CTF who has set his "repeated right clicks" to 0.05 or so seconds cause they can build at least 5 nodes per sec 03:17 IhrFussel Try shooting someone who builds themselves up with that speed 12:58 IhrFussel The German keyboard layout has a key BELOW 'Esc' which contains ^ and ° ... apparently you cannot type ^ on Windows cause it always types ° 12:58 IhrFussel Is that a known problem? 12:59 nerzhul irrlicht 13:00 IhrFussel Why does it work correctly on Linux then? Irrlicht cares more about linux than Windows? 13:02 IhrFussel On Linux pressing '^' correctly types ^ and shift + '^' types ° ... at least on my Ubuntu PC that works as expected 13:13 nerzhul Keyboard handling is different yes 13:15 rubenwardy redesign now live: https://content.minetest.net/ 13:18 rubenwardy oh, I should probably test it in chrome 13:41 Shara rubenwardy: It's kind of bulky 13:42 Shara Lots of empty wasted-feeling space to me (using chrome to check, not sure if it's the same on others) 13:48 Fixer rubenwardy: that part with Content DB and "Minetest's official content repository. Browse 373 packages..." feels too tall even on my 1280x1024 13:48 Fixer rubenwardy: also, big content DB is redundant since it is seen in up left corner 13:50 Shara Fixer: same issue for me 13:50 Shara It takes up way too much space 13:51 Shara I still wish newly added mods were on the top, or it was somehow structured so I didn't need to scroll to see new additions 13:52 Shara I don't look at the page to only ever see the same things, but they take up the whole of what I see 13:54 Shara (I'm using 2560*1440 monitors, but don't like to have the browser full screen... and if I did have it full screen there's a load of wasted space on the sides... so I can't win) 13:54 Shara (and even full screen, I only get the first row on newly added mods...) 13:58 Fixer rubenwardy: https://i.imgur.com/700IsNF.png 13:58 Shara Fixer, no, no more columns for me 13:58 Fixer Shara: this is bad 13:59 Shara I wouldn't mind so much if there wasn't so much wasted space at the top 13:59 Shara I don't just want to see the Popular section all the time.. it's worthless to me 13:59 Shara Maybe if it showed currently popular, instead of all time 13:59 Shara These mods never change, so it never shows me new content I might want to look at 14:00 Shara Great for a first time view of the page but not great beyond that 14:01 Fixer yeah, i don't like so much wasted spaces, especially in this dumb 16:9 era of small height screens, on 1366x768 piece of shit it will look even more ridiculous 14:09 Fixer from what I've seen, ""modern"" """sites""" still look kinda good on 1280x1024, BUT once on 16:9/ulrawide it looks like this https://i.imgur.com/upu45hF.png 14:10 Fixer I actually think Reader View is amazing 14:11 Fixer maybe not many use it, but when you do... it is what you need 14:12 Fixer if only it was improved even more so your web experienced is cleaned up, everything looks kinda same, organised, clean, AIDS dumped with the rest of the corp turds, only actual content on screen, with fonts and style you want, automated 14:13 Fixer like reading a newspaper, will this be boring? bet so, because you will no more stair into pile of shit but read actual stuff 14:14 Fixer without brainless scroll of procrastination in searches of some garbage to read 14:15 Fixer "stair" 14:20 IhrFussel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=338599&sid=ed301af0dd3ebc22ba24053d43a5117a#p338599 14:21 IhrFussel Another silly post 16:41 Fixer VanessaE: you have amnesia, bug when chunk is full of entities so signs no longer display the fucking text, sometimes punching it works, but often you need to do /clearobjects 16:42 VanessaE that's outside of signs_lib's control. 16:42 Fixer also 16:42 Fixer place a lot of signs 16:42 Fixer move into area - 1 sec freeze 16:42 Fixer THIS IS FINE 16:42 VanessaE wrong 16:43 VanessaE that's since been fixed. 16:43 Fixer VanessaE: in mod or in engine? 16:43 VanessaE in the mod 16:43 VanessaE cheapie found the bug and fixed it 16:44 VanessaE (signs_lib kept searching files for char images as it rendered each sign, without any kind of caching) 16:45 VanessaE and anyway the engine gets kinda stupid when the block entity limit is reached, it'll delete all, then seems to go back and do it again and again every time a new entity is added. 16:45 VanessaE plus, the default limit is only 49 per mapblock. 16:45 VanessaE I run my servers with a limit of 500 per. 16:45 VanessaE and it doesn't seem to be a prob. 16:46 Fixer VanessaE: i still have large freezes on VE-S 16:46 VanessaE technic :P 16:46 VanessaE that and vines 16:46 VanessaE those two really bog down VE-S. 16:47 Fixer literally 1 sec freeze, that player is moving back-forw in epileptic way 16:48 VanessaE yeah, nothing I can do to fix that 16:48 VanessaE I get those rendering freezes too, all the time, even on the lighter servers where there are few signs, especially with HDX enabled. 16:49 Fixer only seen it on yours, VE-S, VE-Basic (a lot too) 16:50 VanessaE yeah, no clue what the real source of those freezes is. I always assumed mesh generator lag as blocks are loaded. 16:50 Fixer VanessaE: also, still this happening https://i.imgur.com/SnTLdTl.png 16:51 VanessaE that's a HUD bug. the engine can't/doesn't crop the hotbar background image to fit. 16:52 VanessaE though my current hotbar code already has an 8-slot image that I"m pretty sure works fine. 16:53 Fixer VanessaE: what do you mean already has? it will be used on server soon? 16:53 VanessaE it's already in place on my servers. 16:54 * VanessaE re-checks the display 16:54 Fixer wait, bug still happens, don't get it 16:54 VanessaE yep, 8 works fine. 16:55 VanessaE https://i.imgur.com/EKLr1nr.png singleplayer though 16:55 VanessaE (but the servers run the same code) 16:56 Fixer VanessaE: that's HUD, i mean chest formspec 16:57 VanessaE oh 16:57 Fixer VanessaE: for example when accessing default:furnace (that looks like technic one) 16:58 VanessaE yeah, I see that now, too 16:58 Fixer VanessaE: and default:chest 16:58 VanessaE nfi why that happens. 17:03 VanessaE in any case, PR's welcome. ;) 17:03 VanessaE mmmh... why am I even up? so tired. 17:14 nerzhul because you are not oca ola 17:20 VanessaE ? 17:22 kilbith seven up (even up) 17:22 kilbith coca-cola (oca ola) 17:22 kilbith you not smart enough to understand :p 17:23 VanessaE *facepalm* 17:46 IhrFussel STOP trying to push the minimum Android version if it's not needed ... rather put some work into the current code and fix bugs that appear on older versions 17:47 IhrFussel We NEED 4.4 support cause if you believe it or not some cheaper manufacturer STILL ship Android 4.4 with their phones 17:48 IhrFussel Which is why the Android Distribution Dashboard still shows 7% marketshare there... 7% after how many years?? 4 or 5? 17:50 IhrFussel 4.4 released October 31 2013!!! That is OVER 5 years and still many phones use it ... we need every single user we can get 17:51 IhrFussel 4.4 is different from 4.0 - 4.3 ... it was a very major release cause cheaper phones with low specs could run it without much problems 17:54 IhrFussel SP only requires 100-200 MB RAM on phones so in theory even a 512 MB RAM phone from 2013 can run it decently 17:55 IhrFussel There are also lots of lightweight servers that work perfectly fine on such low spec phones 18:00 IhrFussel After reading IRC dev log again I see that the question is only about dropping 4.0 ... I think that should be fine considering barely any current phone still runs it 18:01 IhrFussel phone/tablet* 18:12 Fixer btw, sofar once mentioned that even crappy Intel HD graphics support minetest pretty well and I confirm performance is quite good, but I've noticed a looot of complaints on many servers not just in minetest that players have old computers 18:12 Fixer often, problem is craptop 18:12 Fixer so graphic optimisations are welcome 18:13 Fixer even laptops with windows xp... 18:14 Fixer some quit playing, say, minecraft 1.12 cause their junk can't handle even that despite intel hd on some newer cpu will run this just fine 18:17 IhrFussel Basic MT is not made for the newest of new PCs so don't try to suddenly make it only available for the newest tech 18:18 IhrFussel I mean MT is not BF, AC, DIABLO and what not...games which require 3-6 GB RAM and a top notch CPU/graphics card 18:20 IhrFussel And we should apply the same logic to mobile devices ... if it only requires a little of work to continue maintaining older devices then just do it ... but if there is something that is so crucial that you must stop support for a given platform then so be it 18:20 IhrFussel None of the current bugs require increasing the minimum Android version AFAIK 18:34 nerzhul maintenance is currently not a problem but can be in the future as android API evolved 18:34 nerzhul evolves* 18:45 rubenwardy Intel HD graphics is good on newer processors 18:45 rubenwardy espeically the higher ones 18:45 rubenwardy not quite gaming standard though 18:51 IhrFussel Maybe in 1 year manufacturers will finally stop shipping the dangerous 4.4 with their phones... 4.4 has now so many exploits that you WILL get some sort of malware sooner or later if you install apps and browse the web without adblock 18:52 IhrFussel Not sure how much safer 5.X is but I hope a lot of security holes got closed in those versions 18:53 Jordach anything pre Android 7 is basically risk 18:53 Jordach one wrong SMS or malformed toast and it's all ogre 18:54 IhrFussel So Android 7 fixed a huge bug that was present in all other versions? 18:54 Jordach it's more like a proper redo of old stuff 18:54 Jordach end user won't notice, but tons on the inside change 18:55 IhrFussel Why did they wait until 7 with such a task?? That sounds criminal 18:55 Jordach because google is known for their consistency 18:58 IhrFussel So basically...they KNEW their OS was vulnerable to many things when they announced/released 5 and 6 (maybe even back when they announced 4) and still waited? 19:00 Jordach £20 says they delayed fixing the huge exploits due to china 19:14 Fixer store* 19:43 IhrFussel Cool, now some of my players start to assume that I ignore them when I don't react to requests/questions ... well that is because I'm working on the freakin server code! 19:44 IhrFussel Am I the only admin who works on the server while he's online in the game? I doubt it 20:59 rubenwardy Shara, Fixer: https://i.rubenwardy.com/UAqpm.png 20:59 IhrFussel If the max gamma setting is 3.0 how come several people on CTF claim to have theirs at 20, 30, 40?? Placebo effect? 20:59 Fixer rubenwardy: you can fit 2 more columns I think 21:00 Calinou IhrFussel: it can be set higher but it won't have any further effect compared to 3.0 21:00 Calinou it's clamped in code :) 21:00 Fixer rubenwardy: also, maybe outline ContentDB word in some way 21:00 IhrFussel Yes so placebo effect cause they think it gets brighter 21:00 Calinou yeah, probably 21:00 Calinou or they edited the shader code or source code :P 21:00 Calinou but I doubt that 21:02 IhrFussel Who knows...some "pros" just cheat themselves to the top 21:03 IhrFussel And a changed source code client side cannot be detected by the server so basically 100% ban-proof 21:03 IhrFussel In terms of brightness* 21:05 Shara rubenwardy: yes, fitting more in is better :) 21:05 Shara not sure if more columns than this are really needed, but not having all that empty space up the top helps a lot 21:06 rubenwardy yeah 21:10 Jordach gamma is simply exponential 21:10 Jordach or diminishing 21:11 rubenwardy deployed to https://content.minetest.net now 21:11 Fixer looks nice on 1280x1024 21:12 Krock can confirm 21:13 rubenwardy what sections would people like? 21:14 * rubenwardy adds "Top Games" 21:14 rubenwardy AO? 21:15 rubenwardy yeahhh..... no 21:15 rubenwardy :) 21:15 Jordach i'm pullin yer leg tho 21:16 Fixer holy shit, so much new mods lately 21:17 Fixer and those what I want 21:17 rubenwardy :D 21:17 rubenwardy I'm not happy with the text on the tiles, it doesn't look right :( 21:18 Fixer rubenwardy: also, possibly darkens too big 21:18 Fixer too much* 21:20 rubenwardy maybe 21:20 Fixer rubenwardy: what I don't see is MTG version requirement for, say this https://content.minetest.net/packages/sofar/pixelperfection/ 21:20 rubenwardy maybe a more subtle darken, but also a blur too 21:21 rubenwardy Texture packs can't depend on mods 21:21 rubenwardy or games 21:21 rubenwardy minetest doesn't support it, even 21:21 Fixer rubenwardy: they don't but you make a texture pack for specific version of minetest game, it may be outdated 21:28 Shara rubenwardy: broken on chrome 21:29 rubenwardy oh great 21:30 rubenwardy what's broken? 21:30 Shara Everything? :D 21:30 rubenwardy have you tried ctrl+shift+r? 21:30 Shara Images don't show, and you get... a line of dots under each heading 21:30 rubenwardy yeah, ctrl+shift+r 21:30 Shara I had, and it did not change it, but now it does? 21:31 rubenwardy I really need to have some way of invalidating the stylesheet cache 21:31 rubenwardy lol 21:31 rubenwardy for the redesign, I just completely changed the name of the stylesheet 21:32 Shara Hmm.. Top Textures Packs.. fine. Top Games... fine. 21:32 Shara Popular... popular what? 21:35 rubenwardy better? https://i.rubenwardy.com/drhAv.png 21:35 Fixer nah 21:36 Shara Lol, big no 21:37 Shara Consistency Ruben!! 21:37 Shara Seriously. 21:37 Shara Why doe s atop game/texture pack get to show up twice on the page? 21:37 Shara It should be Top Mods, and drop non-mods from that category 21:38 rubenwardy true 21:38 rubenwardy my plan was turn that section into hot 21:38 rubenwardy but it should probably be a new section 21:38 Shara some kind of currently trending section wouldn't be bad, but you'd need to select based on current activity, not ancient activity that locks the same few mods there basically forever 21:39 rubenwardy yeah 21:40 rubenwardy I'll develop the trending thing once CDB has users 21:40 rubenwardy ie: after 5.0.0 is released 21:40 rubenwardy s/users/players/g 21:42 rubenwardy my god, the internet is atrocious at my parents' house 21:42 rubenwardy SSH keeps timing out 21:45 rubenwardy done 22:48 IhrFussel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21603 << I looked that new game up and it turns out it's closed-source so that is already NOT going to move the MT Community over 22:49 Shara Areas mod really needs an extra level or something to allow certain players infinite areas without giving them access to everyone's areas... 22:49 sfan5 hypixel making their own minecraft so their income isn't depending on mojang? lol 22:50 IhrFussel Shara, there is the areas_high_limit priv which you can configure to meet your needs...like make users have 100+ allowed areas of infinite size 22:50 Shara Fussel, but I already set that pretty high and some people hit the limit 22:51 Shara And I don't want all people with that priv to have infinte areas 22:51 Shara Really need the number and size of areas to be separate, or another level between high_limit and the admin priv 22:51 IhrFussel I added my own priv for that 'areas_very_high_limit' ... it's just a few lines of code to add 22:52 Shara Haven't looked at the code and don't have much time, but I need something 22:54 IhrFussel One sec..but keep in mind my new priv is very hacky 22:56 Shara Fussel, if you have code to help with this, could you add in a comment on my issue list here? https://github.com/Ezhh/RC_Issues/issues/24 23:10 IhrFussel Commented...what my modified function does is simply checking if a certain new priv exists for the user and if so if skips the whole regular count check BUT it still checks for intersecting 23:10 IhrFussel it skips* 23:12 Shara Thanks, though the pastebin probably won't survive long enough for me to be ready to work on this. 23:28 IhrFussel I improved it real quick...still not the best solution I'm sure ... will edit my comment 23:35 IhrFussel Of course you still need to manually register the priv but that should be no problem...you can also name it something else but then you also have to modify the privs.x lines in the function 23:41 Shara Saved a copy thanks 23:56 Fixer "Is Hytale the Minetest/Minecraft killer?" only if it shows daily nudes or something, there is no way it will kill anything 23:57 Fixer also, never watch any trailers, wait for actual thing 23:59 Fixer sfan5: i guess they want to capitalize on popularity of hypixel