Time  Nick        Message
09:46 nerzhul     Krock gg
10:17 Krock       > does rotation debugging
10:18 Krock       > why do the boats not save
10:18 Krock       > actually uses dummy backend due to mapgen testing
10:18 Krock       > fml
13:27 IhrFussel   My disk space on my server is FULL... now I need to stop ANY map generation ... mapgen_limit = 100 will do that right?
13:30 Krock       yes, but it might also reset the players on join to (0,0,0)
13:30 Krock       or wherever the spawn is
13:31 Krock       when it's full you also cannot write to the player database (if only a few kilobytes are free)
13:32 Krock       delete old log files, your 10 GiB debug.txt and old backups. Hopefully that will gain some space again
13:33 IhrFussel   My debug.txt is only 200-300 MB nowadays I made bash scripts that cleanup trash files after each restart automatically, there is not much I can do there
13:34 IhrFussel   36 MB are free now, enough to start the server with no map generation?
13:36 Krock       enough until the generated map has more buildings (reduced compression ratio)
13:39 IhrFussel   I guess I can move my debug.txt somewhere else to gain another 200 MB
13:41 Krock       symlink the log files to another partition and consider to either trim the map using a script or to get a VPS space upgrade
13:41 Krock       s/space/storage/
13:47 IhrFussel   Krock, I already have a storage space (250 GB) the problem is that the actual operating space is only 60 GB ... so I'll have to ask for an upgrade tomorrow
13:47 Krock       weird that you cannot use the other 190 GiB then
13:48 Krock       well, 10 GiB for the OS (even if it may not need that much)
13:48 IhrFussel   Cause that's a separate "backup space"
14:15 IhrFussel   I made now a script that posts the current free disk space in the chat every 10 minutes ... that way I can relax a bit again
14:23 Fixer       IhrFussel: do "log rotation" =-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_rotation
14:24 IhrFussel   Log rotation won't help much when 98% of storage is used by map.sqlite
14:25 IhrFussel   At least it's not 100% map ... or else I wouldn't know what to do now to gain at least some more free space
14:25 Fixer       log rotate to that backup space (with archival)
14:25 IhrFussel   The backup space doesn't matter, I cannot run the server on it ... the map has to be on the normal storage which is limited to 60 GB
14:26 IhrFussel   Or are you saying I need to somehow link map.sqlite in the worlds dir to the DB on my external space?
14:27 IhrFussel   If that is possible that sounds extremely risky
14:32 Fixer       don't saying anything, but if you do, always do full backups ._.
14:56 Fixer       not*
16:21 Peppy       hi
16:22 Peppy       what syntax should I use to ask the bot to tell something a user when he is online ?
16:24 rubenwardy  !help tell
16:24 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
16:24 rubenwardy  well
16:24 Peppy       !help tell
16:24 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
16:24 rubenwardy  /msg MemoServ SEND USERNAME MESSAGE
16:24 rubenwardy  would be better
16:24 Peppy       thanks
16:24 rubenwardy  ! tell   is public
16:33 Peppy       i'm pretty sad right now, I just saw a place with thousands of probably still working recent servers, under the rain waiting to be disasembled.
16:33 Peppy       the guy whos showed me says he can't hit for single users or small compagnies one by one.
16:33 Peppy       this word is going mad :(
16:34 Fixer       tons of people will buy that
16:35 Fixer       also, why dissassemble?
16:36 Peppy       palletized and wrapped  as far as your eyes can see.
16:36 Krock       send me one
16:36 Fixer       is it in garbage bins?
16:36 Peppy       because the guy is  paid for that
16:36 Fixer       it is ridiculous to see so much waste, those servers can run probably for another 10 years easily
16:37 Peppy       it's not a garbage bin, there wan't room enough in the storage
16:37 Peppy       the storage had even more inside
16:37 Fixer       will go into recycling?
16:37 Peppy       I saw rack towers waiting to be sold for steel price
16:38 Peppy       (empty racks)
16:38 Peppy       almost new, "nobody wants those, I get 40 every week"
16:39 Fixer       people want nonempty ones :}
16:40 Peppy       well it's just the next palette to fill the rack :(
16:41 Peppy       sound like recycling the leather on a rollsroyce
16:41 Peppy       I feel angry
17:06 Fixer       don't worry, in the next 100-200 years it will be ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL about recycling :}
17:07 Peppy       well, this looked quite like a "you're dead already" message
17:07 Fixer       unless they find cheap ways to mine under oceans, but i'm not holding my breath, it will not be cheap, and mining asteroids is just bs crazy
17:08 Fixer       we have africa that can be used as next china, but after that... probably time to wrap up "rising economy" in a black thing
17:09 Fixer       it is not rising anyway for most people
17:09 Fixer       in terms of wages
17:09 Peppy       I have no words to tell what I feel
17:09 Peppy       this is madness
17:10 Fixer       nah, better consume as much as possible, kids will deal with that later and have nice cute IRL punk storyline
17:11 Peppy       this is quite like each palette of stuff was tagged "f**ck you"
17:20 Peppy       end of off topic, i'll try to cool down, sorry...
17:27 Krock       Fixer: limit population, rely on renewable energies, recycle non-regrowing materials and somehow obsolete plastic. What a wonderful world if this were so easy
17:32 Fixer       the only problem is Africa population, everything else does not need limit anymore, it goes down
17:35 Fixer       it will go down by itself, but I have no idea how they will live with such crazy amount of people
17:38 Fixer       it is good for their armies though, if they can afford them
18:12 Fixer       s/patch/hack/
18:18 Krock       Fixer: do you have an idea which mod includes signs_road?
18:18 Fixer       one sec
18:21 Krock       display_modpack
18:21 Fixer       Krock: can't find it, can you find an author of the mod in text somewher?
18:21 Krock       eh thanks. found it :D
18:21 Krock       I didn't know the author either
18:42 bobr        so apparently ive been hacked could u server owners check the connected names on your server with the name Bobr there base ip will corispond to a non british ip if u could please let me know
18:59 Krock       bobr: I think you'll have to contact the owner of each affected server individually
19:56 IhrFussel   "A X button is non-standard" did I understand that correctly and rubenwardy implies a button named "X" is not standard? Then I have to disagree cause EVERY major desktop OS uses the X as "close window"
19:57 IhrFussel   Maybe I just misunderstood that part though
19:58 VanessaE    where was this?
19:58 IhrFussel   'X' as button is especially useful when dealing with multiple languages cause chances are very high that anybody understands what X means
19:58 VanessaE    an [X] button *is* non-standard on a formspec, but otherwise you are quite correct.
19:59 IhrFussel   VanessaE, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=338083#p338083
19:59 IhrFussel   Why are formspecs something else compared to other windows displayed? I see them as pretty much the same except you cannot minize/move them
20:00 IhrFussel   minimize*
20:01 VanessaE    it's non-standard because hardly no one was designing formspecs with [X] buttons until Android/iOS ports of Minetest showed up, and suddenly no one can exit a formspec (no Esc key, natch)
20:02 VanessaE    where I include one, I use an image button to at least *try* to look like a close button, instead of a labeled button that looks simply lazy
20:03 VanessaE    of course, tap outside the formspec works now to close it.
20:03 VanessaE    but not many people can remember that (and sometimes it doesn't work)
20:03 VanessaE    so 2, 3 years ago?  non-standard for sure.    Now?  not entirely standard, but recommended.
20:05 IhrFussel   I would still say "close" is more difficult to understand for non-ENglish speakers than X
20:06 IhrFussel   It doesn't have to be just the letter 'X' it can also be an image with a bold cross ... it is essentially the same
20:06 Krock       you could also use colors or image buttons
20:07 Krock       there's even a mod which builds Windows window decorations using formspec elements
20:11 IhrFussel   I didn't know that you can tap outside a formspec to close it...I always press the 'back' button on my phone to close them cause many formspecs don't even have a close button (like UI AFAIK)
20:16 rubenwardy  X is nonstandard in formspecs, and should not be used
20:16 rubenwardy  If you want them, you should use formspec prepends instead
20:16 rubenwardy  So it's on every formspec
20:17 rubenwardy  Or you could modify the engine
20:17 rubenwardy  Pressing back is also nonstandard on android for how we use it
20:17 rubenwardy  It should be up or an X instead
20:57 Fixer       yayayay https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7986