Time  Nick           Message
00:49 rdococ         I wish I had the tools to create a Scratch-like programming language but I wouldn't know where to start
01:00 luk3yx         rdococ: What's wrong with scratch?
01:01 luk3yx         Also, I thought scriptblocks were your attempt at that.
01:04 rdococ         eh, scriptblocks are kinda stupid
01:04 rdococ         the voxel system caters best to dataflow languages
01:05 rdococ         actually, I guess it doesn't necessarily
01:05 rdococ         still, I don't know how I would approach a more intuitive scriptblocks-like language
01:07 rdococ         scriptblocks had arbitrary control flow, the equivalent of gotos, because you could link them in any way
01:07 paramat        ircSparky you claim mumble positional audio is simple, but look at the PR code changes https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3739/files 16 files, 400 lines
01:09 paramat        it's likely to be a significant amount of maintenance
01:11 paramat        but yeah maybe in future it will be more justified
01:15 rubenwardy     there's a few unrelated changes there
01:15 rubenwardy     and things which are separate from everything else are lower cost
01:16 rubenwardy     there's a ton unrelated changes there
01:16 rubenwardy     there's a ton of unrelated changes there
01:16 rubenwardy     classic ShadowNinja
01:17 rubenwardy     there's only 3 files changed = mumble.h+.cpp, and game.cpp
01:17 paramat        oh yeah, seems like < 300 lines
01:17 rubenwardy     and then config files
01:17 rubenwardy     and then loads of unrelated changes
01:17 rubenwardy     including wide string support in porting, for some weird reason
01:19 paramat        mumble stuff is only in 6 files yes
03:18 jas_           positional ingame voice chat.  wow.
03:21 rdococ         I'd rather stick with text chat
03:22 jas_           why not both?  good for those who like voice.
03:22 rdococ         I don't like listening to voice chat, and I absolutely hate participating in it
03:22 jas_           besides, if ur far u dont hear it maybe
03:23 jas_           well server creator has to set it up
03:23 jas_           besides individual preference setting.  should be an off swit?
03:23 rdococ         you could have positional text chat I guess
03:23 jas_           i did
03:23 rdococ         you would see messages in colors or transparency based on their distance
03:24 jas_           i did that a while ago.  also nametag
03:24 jas_           if u couldnt zee nametag u were out of range of chat
03:24 rdococ         putting messages in nametags means you have to look at them to hear them, though
03:24 jas_           it was lknely :)
03:25 jas_           no sry whoops
03:25 jas_           player transfer distance
03:25 jas_           and if j can see them
03:25 jas_           then theyre in range to chat
03:25 rdococ         maybe if they displayed on the screen based on where they came from, even if you can't see where they came from directly
03:25 jas_           and if outside player transfer distance they didn't see chat
03:25 rdococ         yeah
03:26 jas_           so hence nametags referen e
03:26 jas_           github
03:26 jas_           github.com/everamzah/kalite maybe
03:27 rdococ         phones could transport other people's chat messages to you so you can hear them
03:27 rdococ         or, well, see them
03:27 jas_           its isolating
03:28 jas_           but interesting needs further experimentation.  voice imo is the killer feature.
03:28 DI3HARD139     ??
03:28 DI3HARD139     Oh. Talking about voice?
03:28 rdococ         voice chat means that people will know what I sound like
03:28 rdococ         I don't want that
03:28 DI3HARD139     XD
03:29 rdococ         the closest you'll get is that mod with a block that keeps asking for mod ideas
03:29 jas_           on pho e brb
03:29 DI3HARD139     Squeakers will be the biggest problem most of the time
03:29 rdococ         I manage to squeak in text by saying yay all the time, you don't want that in voice form :P
03:30 DI3HARD139     Oh no. Not that. I mean the children who squeal and cry or scream whenever they don't get what they want. That or get killed in PVP maps.
03:30 rdococ         aw, I feel bad for them
03:32 DI3HARD139     You won't any longer once you've been in CSGO, COD and/or Battlefield public servers.
03:33 rdococ         eh, I probably still would
03:33 rdococ         but imagine that kind of voice chat in a minetest server
03:34 jas__          yum
03:34 jas__          i can dig it
03:34 jas__          just run away from the person talking! haha.. besides, you just turn it off if you dont like it.  or don't compile it in perhaps.
03:35 jas__          but essential engine feature imo
03:35 jas__          nonetheless
03:35 DI3HARD139-m   True
03:35 rdococ         can't wait for positional smellivision
03:35 DI3HARD139     Could be very helpful for devs and admins/mods
03:36 jas__          good point!  private voice chat.  haaaa what a PITA for monitoring tho
03:37 * jas__        wishes for irc.minetest.net and built-in irc support.
03:37 rdococ         private voice chat? just whisper
03:37 jas__          ha yup and go to a private place
03:37 jas__          you're right
03:42 jas__          https://github.com/everamzah/kalite/blob/master/mods/kalite/shout.lua
04:07 DI3HARD139-m   Just curious. Any plans for adding Discord's "Rich Presence"?
04:09 rdococ         what on earth is that
04:09 jas__          proprietary voice/chat
04:09 jas__          so i bet they won't
04:10 jas__          it may be that no one wants to support that
04:11 DI3HARD139     It's an a separate file that adds support to discord so it can (in the event of a MP server) allow Discord Users to see what server/game mode your playing on in your Profile status. Or in the Case of Music Apps, What song, artist, album your listening to and what app is being used.
04:12 DI3HARD139     -an
04:13 DI3HARD139     If your curious: https://discordapp.com/rich-presence
04:16 rdococ         I want to keep what little privacy I have left on the internet, thank you very much
04:24 GreenDimond    Obviously its optional
04:25 GreenDimond    DI3HARD139: It's already a PR, but rejected. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7339
04:25 DI3HARD139     Awe... kk. I should sign back into github and read the new bugs/PRs :P
04:30 luk3yx         DI3HARD139: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7339
04:30 luk3yx         I think it should be a CSM.
04:31 GreenDimond    luk3yx: ....
04:31 luk3yx         GreenDimond: ?
04:31 GreenDimond    I literally linked it 5 minutes ago 2 lines up
04:31 luk3yx         Oh
04:31 luk3yx         Hehe
04:32 DI3HARD139     I agree. There may be a way to use it as a csm.
04:33 * luk3yx       would prefer not to have Discord integration code floating around in the core game
04:33 * GreenDimond  would prefer not to have Mumble integration code floating around in the core game
04:33 luk3yx         Wait, there is?
04:33 GreenDimond    People were talking about it above
04:33 luk3yx         It's a PR.
04:33 GreenDimond    Mumble? No?
04:34 * luk3yx       would prefer MT stay as MT, but CSMs should be able to implement these integrations somehow.
04:34 GreenDimond    No one has made a PR for it yet, but someone has the code ready.
04:34 GreenDimond    For Discord, you could use a CSM to send relevant information to a bot on a server to handle the information.
04:35 luk3yx         Couldn't the server do it by itself?
04:35 GreenDimond    Yes, but with a CSM it would work on any server
04:35 GreenDimond    The server wouldnt need a mod to do it
04:35 luk3yx         Oh, I thought you meant "bot on the server".
04:35 GreenDimond    Bot on the Discord server :P
04:35 luk3yx         Oh, I see.
04:36 GreenDimond    In fact.. hmmm
04:36 DI3HARD139     unless explicitly disabled in the server settings. That would be the only catch (Assuming I understood the setting's usage correctly.)
04:36 GreenDimond    I might try this...
04:36 GreenDimond    If I can figure out how to send data out of a CSM to MinetestBot on UMTD I might be able to get it to work.
04:36 GreenDimond    It also works per server probably
04:39 luk3yx         Hopefully IRCv3 will make IRC better (and hopefully they'll decide on what JSON format to use if it gets implemented).
10:10 nerzhul        CSM doesn't permit to connect to remote API
10:10 nerzhul        SSM can
12:36 ChimneySwift   It's a fairly simple engine change to allow sockets in CSM, though obviously not really something everyone is likely to do.
12:45 ChimneySwift   besides, these kinds of features sell a game, and popularity brings a lot of good things to an open source project
12:45 ChimneySwift   hint: developers who are interested in adding and maintaining such features
12:46 rubenwardy     CSM is only intended for server-provided scripts, ie: things to make the mod API more powerful
12:47 rubenwardy     and such features have massive security implications
12:48 ChimneySwift   I'm not saying that we should ignore other issues, I just feel like a lot of the argument I read here was like that
12:48 ChimneySwift   and yeah adding the ability to have sockets in server provided CSM is a terrible idea
12:49 ChimneySwift   in order to do it properly that way you'd have to have yet another class of mod, which is CSM as it stands, but we all know how well that was received
14:28 rubenwardy     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=21455
14:28 rubenwardy     !title
14:28 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: Efficient graph based networks (electronics and transport) - Minetest Forums
14:38 VanessaE       rubenwardy: ^ might be good for technic, but I don't think it'll help mesecons, because the wires "light up" when they go high.
14:38 rubenwardy     that doesn't matter for the logic though
14:38 rubenwardy     it's part of showing state, which is mentioned
14:38 rubenwardy     but the nodes lighting up don't really effect much
14:39 T4im           i think there were some projects started around item logistics and power network; not sure what they are based on though, might be worth checking out
14:40 rubenwardy     this isn't for mesecons anyway :)
14:41 T4im           well, you still face the same problem of updating such a graph
14:41 T4im           when nodes that are part of it are being removed or added to them
14:42 tumeninodes    Hi tumeni
14:43 tumeninodes    Hi tenplus1
14:43 * tumeninodes  attempting to fill the emptiness :(
14:43 VanessaE       rubenwardy: deltasquared is working on a "packetized" water flow idea for pipeworks.  since it's also trying to solve the same problem, it might have some overlap with your idea
14:44 rubenwardy     oh interesting
14:44 tumeninodes    Capitalism Game needs a new icon
14:45 VanessaE       a dollar sign?: ;)
14:45 T4im           rubenwardy: https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/issues/380
14:45 T4im           solves different problem; but also might have overlaps
14:46 tumeninodes    Hopefully not seeming rude... but the current one gives the impression of a mainly industrial atmosphere (which while it is involved, is not the core of the overall idea)
14:46 tumeninodes    yeh, a currency symbol could be good
14:46 rubenwardy     maybe
14:47 tumeninodes    hard to use a currency symbol though, as they differ around the world
14:47 T4im           theres an abstract one: ¤
14:47 rubenwardy     I will invent my own currency symbol at some point
14:47 rubenwardy     maybe that
14:47 tumeninodes    maybe a trading & currency mix
14:48 tumeninodes    "That will cost you 40,000 rubens
14:48 T4im           it's sadly being abused for non-currency things, so you might not like it, but it is the currency sign
14:48 VanessaE       just use Minegeld ;)
14:49 T4im           or cube the currency sign :D
14:49 rubenwardy     the symbol needs to be embedable in text
14:49 tumeninodes    How is the value of Minegeld going?
14:50 * tumeninodes  added angled doors to the angled walls mod last night ;)
14:51 VanessaE       tumeninodes: well I basically equate 1 MG to 1 US dollar, if that's what you mean :)
14:51 VanessaE       Mg*
14:51 tumeninodes    that might be a bad choice :D
14:51 tumeninodes    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=336093#p336093
14:51 tumeninodes    !title
14:51 MinetestBot    tumeninodes: [Mod] Angled Walls [1.4] [angledwalls] - Minetest Forums
14:52 ANAND          > That will cost you 40,000 rubens
14:52 ANAND          That actually sounds good
14:52 tumeninodes    everything I say, sounds good
14:52 tumeninodes    :D
14:52 ANAND          :P
14:53 VanessaE       40,000 sandwiches?
14:53 ANAND          Maybe two vertical lines across a capital 'R'
14:53 VanessaE       that'll need a fuckton of kraut :)
14:53 tumeninodes    hahaha, paying in sandwiches would be interesting
14:53 ANAND          lol
14:54 tumeninodes    0_0
14:54 tumeninodes    (gasp) Ssssssquidward!
14:55 tumeninodes    You got me Vanessa... I just literally made the ruben/sandwich link
14:55 tumeninodes    Man I'm getting slow
14:55 VanessaE       heh
14:55 rubenwardy     wait what?
14:56 tumeninodes    haha
14:56 rubenwardy     oh, Americans are weird
14:56 rubenwardy     "The Reuben sandwich is an American grilled sandwich composed of corned beef"
14:56 VanessaE       heh
14:56 tumeninodes    England misses out .... again
14:57 VanessaE       if you've never had one, I feel bad for ya :)
14:57 rubenwardy     sandwiches shouldn't be grilled!
14:57 tumeninodes    Philly Cheese Steaks too
14:57 rubenwardy     also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich,_Kent
14:57 VanessaE       there's this place I used to visit in Galena, Kansas that used to make THE BEST reuben :)
14:58 VanessaE       tumeninodes: +1000000000000
14:58 tumeninodes    you know fights start over claiming "bests" :D
14:58 VanessaE       well the place in question, while still in business, no longer has a diner. :(
14:59 VanessaE       so "best" is moot :P
14:59 tumeninodes    yeh, we continue to lose 'diners' as well
15:00 tumeninodes    My Father's side owned a rest which create the BootMill sandwich in Lowell, MA :)
15:00 tumeninodes    Ohhhh, bother...my tummy's getting rumbly
15:03 VanessaE       all this talk of sandwiches gave you an appetite, eh? :)
15:03 tumeninodes    not talking about food makes me hungry too
15:03 VanessaE       heh
15:04 * tumeninodes  wonders why no one has made a diner mod yet (or has it been done?)
15:05 IhrFussel      Hello^^ so you CAN change ABM definitions during runtime? I thought that was impossible
15:05 VanessaE       IhrFussel: wat
15:05 tumeninodes    I think I remember one but not sure if it was finished and might have been more restuaranty
15:05 tumeninodes    ?? you can?
15:06 VanessaE       tumeninodes: well, there's that old nightclub mod...  combine that with the steel and food mods, you should have enough to build an old fashioned railroad passenger car diner...
15:06 IhrFussel      VanessaE,  https://github.com/doyousketch2/server_tuning/blob/master/init.lua#L66
15:06 VanessaE       (nightclub mod because of the neon-looking stuff therein)
15:06 tumeninodes    possibly
15:06 tumeninodes    might end up more like a hooker's diner though :D
15:07 VanessaE       IhrFussel: wait....that actually works?!
15:07 IhrFussel      I'm not sure I assume they tested their mod before submitting it...
15:08 VanessaE       well, it's doyousketch2, he's usually pretty good
15:08 tumeninodes    never assume that... I hardly ever do :P
15:08 tumeninodes    he is quite under rated
15:08 rubenwardy     it's still during load time
15:08 VanessaE       right, so it *should* work
15:08 IhrFussel      rubenwardy, no he claims it changes depending on load
15:09 IhrFussel      Makes no sense to set the intervals on startup cause there will always be 0 users
15:09 tumeninodes    afk
15:09 rubenwardy     that's load time
15:09 rubenwardy     it's in the root scope of init.lua
15:09 rubenwardy     so load time changes
15:09 VanessaE       yeah, it's not in a function, so it's not being called by anything active during runtime
15:10 IhrFussel      Then I don't understand what the reasoning is
15:10 rubenwardy     it's a tweak mod to make ABMs less common
15:10 IhrFussel      Why would I want to modify ABM intervals before even knowing how many people will play on my server...pointless
15:11 IhrFussel      So the other settings like block send distance etc are also ONLY on load?
15:11 VanessaE       yeah, looks to me like it's just meant as a coarse "change 'em all" tweak
15:11 IhrFussel      That makes the mod useless for me, meh
15:13 IhrFussel      The idea is that you set min / max values for your server settings.
15:13 IhrFussel      - When there are only a couple players on, they get maximum resources devoted to their gameplay.
15:13 IhrFussel      - When a lot of players are on, these settings get trimmed back, to reduce lag.
15:13 IhrFussel      ^ that description is bollocks then
17:33 rubenwardy     cutting edge asset creation  https://i.rubenwardy.com/k5cBD.png
17:34 MinetestBot    tenplus1: Nov-03 18:45 UTC <Krock> Please don't take >the< recent comment of "falling entity rewrite" too serious. I very welcome dev time and PRs, ofc
17:34 tenplus1       hi folks
17:34 tumeninodes    \o/
17:34 tenplus1       hi tumeni, how's things :)
17:34 tumeninodes    things are good tenplus1... and you?
17:35 tenplus1       not bad thx :)
17:35 tenplus1       tinkering as always
17:35 tenplus1       and avoiding xmas jingles/ads/movies
17:35 tumeninodes    same, I just added angled doors to my angled walls mod :P
17:35 tenplus1       ooh, gotta check that one out, sounds interesting
17:35 tumeninodes    yes, I avoid chashmas as long as I can
17:35 tumeninodes    *cashmas
17:38 tenplus1       is a bit too early, only november
17:38 tenplus1       lol, so true
17:38 xerox123       o/
17:38 tumeninodes    round here, cashmas stuff was already out by halloween 2d-3d wk of Oct
17:38 tenplus1       hi xerox o/
17:38 xerox123       simple solution: don't watch TV
17:38 tenplus1       lol, whatever happened to Dec1 to Dec 31... over and done
17:38 tumeninodes    just watch the Ballad of Buster Scruggs
17:38 tumeninodes    ha... with all that monies to be lost?
17:38 tenplus1       hah, watching that just now
17:38 tenplus1       on the actor with no arms/legs at the moment *spoilers*
17:38 tumeninodes    yeh the rest of the stories are rather... off tune from the first
17:38 tenplus1       first was funny, singing even when dead and floating :P lolz
17:38 tumeninodes    hahaha I loved it
17:38 tumeninodes    then the plot change hits
17:38 tenplus1       I like movies with mini plots/stories
17:39 tumeninodes    "Clear blue water.... waterrrr"
17:39 tenplus1       haha
17:39 tumeninodes    the one you're on now was just depressing
17:39 tenplus1       shhh, no spoilers :P
17:40 tumeninodes    oh... right..
17:40 benrob0329     Hello tenplus1
17:40 tenplus1       oh yeah, updated Farming Redo and Mobs Animals
17:40 tenplus1       hi benrob
17:40 benrob0329     Hello tumeninodes
17:40 tenplus1       made a movie yet ? :P
17:40 tumeninodes    hey benrob
17:40 benrob0329     Not yet :P
17:41 tenplus1       ah nice, always fun to get into new games :)
17:41 tenplus1       many folk addicted to Red Dead Redemption II
17:42 * tumeninodes  avoids popular games because he sucks at gaming
17:42 tenplus1       ever tried Psychonauts ???
17:42 tumeninodes    I have to find a place to campout
17:42 tenplus1       older game but soooomuch in it
17:44 benrob0329     The nice thing is that its not a video game, so I don't have to feel like I sat in front of a computer for days
17:44 tumeninodes    dude, last 'game' I played was Monopoly
17:44 tenplus1       ehehe
17:44 benrob0329     Even though everyone I play with I talk to through the computer...
17:44 tumeninodes    I lost btw
17:44 tumeninodes    I still have the original 'CLUE" board game, might try to get my kid to play it... best game ever
17:44 tenplus1       Colonel Mustard in the Library with the Nintendo Wii controller :D
17:44 tumeninodes    bahahahaha
17:45 tumeninodes    hmmm, maybe I'll watch the movie they did on it
17:46 tenplus1       hell, they made a movie of Battleships... you never know
17:46 tumeninodes    benrob, we need a MTG movie
17:47 tenplus1       yay, that'd be kewl
17:47 tumeninodes    why did I just get an idea for a Crypt Keeper skin? 0_o
17:47 tenplus1       Tales from the Minetest Crypt
17:47 tumeninodes    probably been done... and Chuckie too
17:47 tumeninodes    haha YES
17:47 benrob0329     We need more games than MTG :P
17:48 tumeninodes    they're coming... they're coming
17:48 * tenplus1     imagines a Goonies adventure map
17:48 tenplus1       heyy youuu guyyysss
17:48 tumeninodes    hahaha Ryan
17:48 benrob0329     I know of a few games that are WIP
17:48 tumeninodes    Time Bandits
17:48 benrob0329     With active devs, its just time at this point
17:49 * tenplus1     just waits for 5.0 to be stable and over with
17:49 tenplus1       hi Krock
17:49 Krock          hi tenplus1
17:49 tumeninodes    Krockatoa
17:49 Krock          dude what...
17:49 Krock          tenplus1: every day I was prepared for you
17:49 Krock          how do you do this?
17:49 tenplus1       minetest magic mod
17:49 Krock          oh
17:50 tenplus1       we are all inside a computer inside minetest
17:50 tumeninodes    you need an exit phrase like mine
17:50 Krock          inside a minetest mod computer inside minetest
17:50 tenplus1       :P
17:50 tumeninodes    "Screw you guys.... I'm goin' hume"
17:50 Krock          use a bouncer and exit phrases are history
17:51 tumeninodes    whhhhaaaaaat?
17:51 * tenplus1     hires 2 large guys in black suits and shades... bouncers!
17:51 * tumeninodes  was once a bouncer
17:51 * tenplus1     hires tumeni then
17:51 tumeninodes    tumeni does not bounce so well these days
17:51 tenplus1       how about some slime boots
17:52 tumeninodes    gotta go run an errand for one of my Aunts... later dudes
17:52 tenplus1       cya
17:54 tenplus1       hi Sam
17:54 MinetestSam    Hello
17:56 shivajiva      Hiya tenplus ;)
17:56 tenplus1       hi shiva, hows tricks
17:58 shivajiva      not bad, not bad, don't like the cold and diminishing light this time of year brings, time to hibernate XD
17:58 MinetestSam    lol
17:59 tenplus1       if only, a few months curled up in bed with hot chocolate on tap would be awesome :D
18:00 shivajiva      lol save money and the planet if we all did that
18:01 * tenplus1     wishes it were true
18:01 tenplus1       instead I be working xmas :( booooo
18:05 shivajiva      :/
18:09 tenplus1       Updated Ethereal (fixed mushroom soup recipe), Farming Redo (added carrot juice), Mobs Animals (added Glass of Milk)
18:16 tenplus1       and if anyone is interested, Falling Item mod fixes falling block issues and adds some new features
18:31 tenplus1       wb ben
18:31 benrob0329     ty
18:38 IhrFussel      0.4.17.1 includes the "only count users that actually joined in max_users" correct? Does this mean they will no longer be rejected if the limit was not reached yet but multiple people are in the media loading phase?
18:39 tenplus1       hi fussel, hi gary
18:39 IhrFussel      Hi tenplus1
18:40 IhrFussel      I think that was fixed cause earlier I really had 43 online players and my limit is 45 and I doubt there were only 2 in the loading phase
18:42 garywhite      hi
18:54 tenplus1       hi aerozoic
18:55 aerozoic       hi tenplus1
18:55 aerozoic       guess wut!
18:55 tenplus1       your pregnant ?
18:55 aerozoic       you're*
18:55 tenplus1       hehehe
18:56 aerozoic       lol that would be world news!
18:56 tenplus1       do tell ?
18:56 aerozoic       the first mail pregnancy XD
18:56 aerozoic       male*
18:56 tenplus1       w00t! cigars and donuts all round
18:57 aerozoic       oh well it's no big deal, i haven't looked at the code yet but farming had an update that creates unknown nodes if xdecor was also installed.
18:58 tenplus1       default farming or redo ?
18:58 aerozoic       i guess pumpkins and melons were cutable with the workbench but now they aren't so i may have to tweak something
18:58 tenplus1       dont worry benrob, they're chocolate :D
18:58 aerozoic       redo
18:58 benrob0329     tenplus1, I suppose I can't argue with chocolate
18:59 tenplus1       melons and pumpkin need cutting board and only give 4 slices (2x2 recipe) to give block...  they were too OP before
19:00 aerozoic       i think workbench uses groups to determine if a node is cutable
19:00 longerstaff13  alright, my server crashes when someone uses /me in the game, it gives this error: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/mcBdhf6vM7/
19:01 luk3yx         Wait
19:01 luk3yx         My bot overrides /me
19:01 rdococ         you can create tools just by putting a block of cobble next to two sticks, how does that work?
19:01 tenplus1       ohhh
19:01 aerozoic       omg longerstaff13!!! What did u do!!!!
19:01 luk3yx         Oh, the profiler.
19:01 * luk3yx       tweaks their bot
19:01 longerstaff13  aerozoic: not that server, LS-Wonderland
19:01 luk3yx         longerstaff13: Fixed.
19:02 longerstaff13  hm?
19:02 luk3yx         My bot won't override /me anymore.
19:02 aerozoic       longerstaff13, i wasn't referring to an specific server, it was just a sarcastic remark XD
19:02 longerstaff13  wh did it in the first place?
19:02 luk3yx         The profiler is weird with on-the-fly commands.
19:02 longerstaff13  why*
19:02 luk3yx         longerstaff13: Because chat3 stopped /me-s going to IRC.
19:02 longerstaff13  aerozoic: ah
19:02 longerstaff13  I see
19:04 rdococ         I remember creating a mod that added a /my command
19:04 tenplus1       custom commands are so handy on server :D
19:05 luk3yx         My bot added /my as well, but the profiler hates on-the-fly callback definitions.
19:05 aerozoic       i want to fly
19:06 tenplus1       :P
19:08 T4im           luk3yx: what do you mean with on-the-fly?
19:08 luk3yx         T4im: //lua
19:08 T4im           oh
19:08 luk3yx         The profiler can't get the current modname so it weirds out.
19:09 T4im           ah
19:09 T4im           falling back to something like "??" or so?
19:10 luk3yx         Yes.
19:14 T4im           i mean, we could let it fall back onto something more descriptive, i guess
19:15 T4im           that's btw going through all off builtin, not just the profiler
19:15 T4im           e.g. itemdef.mod_origin = core.get_current_modname() or "??"
19:16 T4im           but those are more for exceptions iirc
19:28 T4im           luk3yx: would sorting those under *unknown* be ok?
19:28 luk3yx         T4im: It needs to not crash.
19:28 T4im           does it?
19:28 T4im           if so lemme know :D
19:29 IhrFussel      How can I check whether or not something is in a specific number range? Like if an object's pos.y = 15 and target pos.y +/- 5 nodes then it should succeed
19:29 tenplus1       make a function to do just that
19:30 tenplus1       local function in_range(number, value, range) if number >= value - range and number <= value + range then return true else return false end
19:31 IhrFussel      I don't know the math I need for that (I'm bad at it) I think like if pos1.y - pos2.y >= 5 or if pos1.y - pos2.y <= -5 ??
19:34 IhrFussel      Will try, thanks^^
19:34 Krock          math.abs(pos1.y - pos2.y) >= 5
19:35 tenplus1       that's easier :)
19:36 luk3yx         Can't you just function(number, value, range) return number >= value - range and number <= value + range end?
19:37 Krock          but that's longer
19:37 Krock          abs already does that for you
19:37 tenplus1       +100... totally forgot about math.abs :D
19:37 Krock          as in "absolute value". outputs a real positive number
19:37 T4im           luk3yx: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4343#issuecomment-440785755
19:38 T4im           thanks for pointing it out; i actually had those fallbacks removed in the new pr /o\ but added them back now
19:38 luk3yx         Nice.
19:42 tenplus1       laters folks, nom time
20:37 IhrFussel      So math.abs() also is not slower than manually comparing?
20:51 rubenwardy     Wat
20:52 IhrFussel      If math.abs() is slower than "return number >= value - range and number <= value + range"
20:53 benrob0329     what does math.abs have to do with that comparison?
20:54 rud0lf         return (value - number) * (value - number) <= range * range
20:54 rud0lf         :)
20:55 IhrFussel      Cause I need the fastest way to return true/false if a certain number y is in range of x (+/- 5 only allowed) and Krock suggested -> math.abs(pos1.y - pos2.y) >= 5
20:56 rubenwardy     How about benchmarking it
20:56 benrob0329     I'd imagine that the built in function would be faster, but that may be naive of me
20:57 IhrFussel      Wait is ">= 5" now return true or false?
20:58 IhrFussel      I guess false cause the numbers are then 5+ apart?
20:59 benrob0329     couldn't you do return (value - number) ** 2 <= range ** 2 ?
21:01 benrob0329     rather than repeating the (value - number) check twice?
21:04 rubenwardy     That's python
21:05 rubenwardy     Not sure about lua
21:06 benrob0329     lua may use ^ instead of **
21:42 tumeninodes    greetings Gael
21:42 Gael-de-Sailly Hello :)
21:51 tumeninodes    for all interested... numberZero has brought some really points to me about a method of licensing, which I basically just picked up on by looking at other people's mods
21:53 tumeninodes    for instance, if I create a mod, which uses the default names for textures... this may be wrong, as the end user may be using a TP and now the wrong license/credits could be misapplied
21:54 rubenwardy     If you don't include the textures, you don't need to credit them
21:55 tumeninodes    right which makes sense to me now but... this is a habit others have been on as well
21:55 tumeninodes    might be another good topic to bring up on the forums
21:57 tumeninodes    so there are quite a few mods out there, which have used the very same method, which might be good to bring to people's attention because, as I said... I had just never even thought of that
21:57 tumeninodes    for me, I assumed the fact I built a mod, to be used with MTG, I should add credits and infos related to the default textures, etc...
21:59 tumeninodes    so now I will be going through each of my mods to clean this mess up, but think it makes sense to bring it up so the many others who have been doing the same can go through theirs as well (if they choose)
22:00 tumeninodes    It's like I've been eating soup with a fork and suddenly someone hands me a spoon and says "here, use this..." :P
22:02 tumeninodes    FWIW I don't actually eat soup with a fork....
22:02 tumeninodes    I use chop sticks
22:07 tumeninodes    sofar: I nominate you to add this topic, as you do a much better job with topics about licensing than I do... :D  something like "When not to license/credit" or "To CC BY-SA, or not to CC BY-SA"
22:08 tumeninodes    *do>could
22:28 GreenDimond    So I am using minetest.compress and minetest.decompress, and for some reason when I try to decompress after joining the game, I get a "decompressZlib: inflate failed" error with no further explanation.