Time  Nick         Message
05:39 jas_         what's up with max_hear_distance?  a value of 17 results in no audible sound, while a value of 18 results in a sound hear hundreds of nodes away.
05:52 jas_         hm, perhaps... maybe max_hear_distance isn't how far away a sound can be heard; instead, it might be the max distance a player can be for that sound to be trigger.  if a sound 2 nodes away, for example, triggers with max_hear_distance=1, you wouldn't hear it.  if it's max_hear_distance=2, and you're one node away, then you do hear it.
05:52 jas_         but this is not the behavior i was expected *shrugs*
05:54 jas_         (if so, it would mean that a looping sound at 0,0,0 with max_hear_distance=32 means only those who were within 32 radius when the sound started will ever hear it.  even if the sound is looping two minutes, and you walk to 0,0,0 but you were outside of range when the sound triggered, you wouldn't hear it.)
06:01 jas_         i confirm, it is true, that max_hear_distance is not the max distance from a sound it may be heard.  instead, it is the max distance a player can be for that sound to trigger at all.  if a player if outside max_hear_distance, the sound is never triggered for them at all.  so if you use max_hear_distance=32 (default), the sound must trigger within a 32 node distance from the player you want to hear it.
06:04 jas_         so the issue, i think, might be that max_hear_distance is not updated based on a player's, or sound's, position.  it only ever takes this into account when the sound is initially played.
06:29 ChimneySwift i seem to recall that max hear distance doesn't work for one of either single or dual channel audio? I know it works properly for some sounds
06:44 jas_         positional sounds are always mono as required
06:45 jas_         it works 'properly' in that u must be within max_hear_distance for that sound to play for you.  it isnt how far a sound can be heard as it plays.  rather, it is how far a sound may _initally_ be heard
06:46 jas_         (which is news to me.)
06:49 jas_         so if a positional sound (mono, of course) plays at 0,0,0 with max_hear_distance=32, and you are standing at 33, it will not matter if you move closer, you'll never hear it.  because you were outside of max_hear_distance when it initially triggered.
06:50 jas_         this is how it's always been, i just never took the time to figure it out.  i definitely noticed it though, during the whole "holy shit these doors are load!" kerfuffle
06:51 jas_         loud*.  that's when i did some testing, and was perplexed.  it all makes sense, now.  perhaps a clarification in documentation is called for.  maybe i'll make an issue for it.
07:17 jas_         to test: doors have max_hear_distance = 10.  theoretically, if i'm correct, then a player standing 11 nodes away from the door will not hear another player open it.
07:23 jas_         tested and i confirm the above is true.  a player standing 11 nodes away from a door will never hear it open/close.  a player standing 10 nodes away (door's max_hear_distance is 10) _will_ hear it.
07:35 jas_         *pats hands* https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7800
11:15 Fixer        damn, everything in notifications is literally by paramat o_O
11:15 VanessaE     heh
14:10 IhrFussel    Does the "max objects per mapblock" count include PLAYERS too? Cause there are 4 fish at my Server Spawn and sometimes 1 or 2 of them vanish for no reason (they are tamed and nobody can kill them)
14:41 aerozoic     IhrFussel, which fish mod do u use?
14:42 IhrFussel    mobs_fish which is powered by Mobs Redo...it's not the mob engine
14:42 IhrFussel    All other 30 mob types behave as expected
14:43 IhrFussel    But those also don't appear at the spawn...and sometimes when I get flooded with 30+ players I think it's possible that too many stand inside one mapblock which could trigger the "clear all objects" engine code
14:50 VanessaE     I thought that bug was fixed years ago?
14:51 sfan5        many players triggering the "clear objects" code is certainly possible
14:51 sfan5        the bug that was fixed is that the code would delete the player objects
14:51 VanessaE     yeah.
14:52 VanessaE     IhrFussel: just raise the limit really high like I did (500).
14:59 IhrFussel    VanessaE, I use the object limit to kinda limit the amount of pets my players can have at their homes
14:59 VanessaE     oh
14:59 IhrFussel    Else some would have 100+
15:00 IhrFussel    I set it to 35 I think..maybe I can raise it a bit
18:21 IhrFussel    If someone uses auto walk does the server still receive the .up cpntrol?
18:21 IhrFussel    control*
18:22 IhrFussel    auto forward*
18:27 sfan5        you mean the auto forward built into minetest?
18:39 Krock        IhrFussel: no, because the player does not press the UP key
18:39 Krock        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/localplayer.cpp#L498  move_direction is later applied depending on that value
18:47 Andrey01     hi, could anybody help me with making blender model?
18:49 Andrey01     i can not deform the back of the chair towards to the curve, i don`t know exactly toward to which axis i need to deform it
18:49 Andrey01     blender model: https://uploadfiles.io/
18:51 rubenwardy   that's not a correct link
18:51 rubenwardy   it's a link to the uploader, not the file
19:13 Andrey01     https://ufile.io/4g1lp
19:13 Andrey01     now correct link
19:15 Andrey01     please help if you can
19:16 Fixer        use this instead https://transfer.sh/
19:18 Andrey01     why?
19:20 Fixer        does not have ads or popups
19:20 Fixer        (at least for me)
19:27 Andrey01     so can anybody help me?
19:29 tumeninodes  Not in 2 minutes
19:29 tumeninodes  why not put this up in the modeling help section of the forum?
19:39 tumeninodes  Andrey01: might be easier to make a duplicate of that table top section, stretch it , and then slice it up (cut out the bits you do not want).
19:40 tumeninodes  if I had the time, and were it something I was interested in using, I would play with it. That is why you might have better response on the forum
19:44 Andrey01     then i should public it on the forum?
19:45 Andrey01     publicate*
19:45 tumeninodes  You may get better response there. It will depend on someone who is interested
19:45 Andrey01     publish*
19:45 Andrey01     ok
19:49 tumeninodes  yep, there is a section called post your modeling request, or something... and Nathan has also done quite a few vids which may help https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=16455&hilit=modeling
20:03 Andrey01     ok, i`ll see this topic later, thanks
20:18 GreenDimond  How do I tell if an object disappears because of a clearobjects? on_death doesnt seem to work.
20:24 IhrFussel    Krock, then the feature is builtin cheating cause it renders server side mods like hunger/stamina partly useless
20:25 IhrFussel    These mods (which I also use on my server) need to know when the player presses a movement key in order to reduce their saturation ... movement is one of the most important things there
20:27 IhrFussel    I might open an issue about it... shouldn't be too complicated to send a continous "forward key" packet as long as auto forward is enabled
20:38 IhrFussel    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7805
20:53 Krock        to be strict, they don't press the up key
21:00 GreenDimond  If I use minetest.add_entity as a table (ie. `local bla = {} bla[1] = minetest.add_entity({defhere})`) will that table value return nil if the entity no longer exists?
21:02 Krock        it will throw an error because the first argument must be a 3d vector https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/script/lua_api/l_env.cpp#L594
21:03 GreenDimond  Assuming the add_entity value is correct
21:03 GreenDimond  Assuming the add_entity is valid, if I run clearobjects and check the table, will it return a nil?
21:04 Krock        how do you imagine is that table even kept in the memory? serialized?
21:04 Krock        saved in the object definition?
21:04 GreenDimond  Look, all I want to do is detect whether or not the entity exists
21:04 GreenDimond  because there is no "on_death" that works with clearobjects afaik
21:05 T4im         unless you changed the mode of the table to behave weakly referenced it would not be permitted for the garbage collector to just remove the object reference you assigned to the table
21:06 T4im         so no, that would not work
21:06 GreenDimond  Thankyou. So any other ideas on how I should detect this?
21:06 Krock        get the entities in the area and compare  get_luaentity().name against what it should be
21:06 T4im         best chance is to check what ObjectRef has to offer
21:06 Krock        if there are no entities or only wrong ones, then it's not there
21:07 GreenDimond  Doesnt clearobjects clear all entities on the map?
21:07 T4im         assuming the c side frees any references on the objectref, you could change the mode of the table to make your idea work
21:07 T4im         if it doesn't it would be a leak i guess :x
21:08 GreenDimond  That makes sense
21:08 Krock        clearobjects only clears luaentities
21:09 T4im         then check get_luaentity? :x
21:11 GreenDimond  Beautiful, works perfectly T4im :)
21:11 T4im         great :)
21:12 T4im         just make sure to really remove any references to the objectref as well that you might have kept for testing
21:13 T4im         some memory leak potential there
21:13 GreenDimond  And I also realize the entity wont be stored in the table on reload
21:13 GreenDimond  However this is a good start
21:14 T4im         if mean if you have to keep it around, really change to a weakref table so the garbage collector can at least free the objectrefs that aren't in use otherwise anymore; this is exactly what those are for
21:14 T4im         i mean*
21:16 T4im         __mode = 'v' on the table's metatable should do
21:18 GreenDimond  so something like setmetatable(mytable, {__mode = "v"})?
21:24 GreenDimond  hmm
21:24 GreenDimond  The entity doesnt even seem to respawn on reload
21:26 T4im         yea, like that; it essentially tells the garbage collector that the values of that table are weak, allowing the value to be collected even if its in that table, and as long as the key isn't references anywhere else, the entire entry might be collected next
21:27 T4im         oh wait, the entry is collected either way
21:27 T4im         but still
21:30 GreenDimond  I may have to go about this a different way
21:31 GreenDimond  Basically the problem here is that I have a bunch of entities containing IDs that are used to reference data in a file, but if the entity doesnt exist the data is useless.
21:31 GreenDimond  So I suppose I could detect if clearobjects is run (hacky chatmessage detection I suppose) and just wipe the id file if successful
21:32 GreenDimond  But then I have to make sure to only do that on a full clearobjects, and on a quick clearobjects.. uh..
21:34 T4im         why don't you just clean the file on reload?
21:35 T4im         hm
21:35 T4im         because you have no way to get unloaded entities i assume D:
21:35 T4im         hmm
21:37 T4im         which also would be the problem of your hack i guess
21:45 T4im         nah, perhaps your hack might still be the best option here, GreenDimond; just clear the file for both types; lazy clearobjects will keep removing serialized entities, but they have became doomed to be deleted the moment the clearobjects was started
21:48 T4im         try to hook into minetest.clear_objects directly instead of chatmessage things
21:48 T4im         and it will be less of a hack :)
21:52 GreenDimond  How would I "hook into" that T4im?
21:53 T4im         do local clear_objects = minetest.clear_objects; minetest.clear_objects = function(...) do_your_own_thing(); return clear_objects(...); end end
21:54 T4im         perhaps not at this oneliner :p
21:55 GreenDimond  Hm, I suppose that would work
21:55 GreenDimond  The thing is, if quick clearobjects is run and I dont load any more mapblocks, do those unloaded entities stay there?
21:55 T4im         they remaind serialized to the mapblocks
21:55 T4im         remain*
21:56 T4im         until the mapblock is loaded, then they get deleted during deserialization
21:56 T4im         so while they are technically still there, they should not be able to interfere in any way with the world anymore
21:57 GreenDimond  So either way I should be able to wipe the ids safely?
21:57 T4im         i believe so
21:57 GreenDimond  awesome
21:57 GreenDimond  I will test this
22:17 IhrFussel    Auto Foward DOES simulate the up key so it should be recognized as being pressed server side
22:17 IhrFussel    That's how I see it
22:19 IhrFussel    That would be like implementing "Auto Fire" (left mouse button) and then saying "but the player doesn't actually hold down the mouse button it's just automatic"
22:51 jas_         bloxkmen made that typo in hud hungee andnit stuck.  satiation like satee like not hungry.  saturation is like when ur wet.. ha
22:54 jas_         sated*
23:23 rubenwardy   no it's not
23:27 jas_         no?
23:28 rubenwardy   1. [Chemistry] the degree or extent to which something is dissolved or absorbed compared with the maximum possible, usually expressed as a percentage.
23:28 rubenwardy   2. to a very full extent, especially beyond the point regarded as necessary or desirable.
23:28 jas_         lol
23:29 jas_         so atisfied
23:29 jas_         satisfied*
23:29 jas_         sated/satiated
23:29 rubenwardy   it's still wrong, but it doesn't mean wet
23:29 jas_         i didnt say it did
23:29 jas_         i said "like wet" using a metaphorical analogy
23:29 aerozoic     i would say saturation is less specific but could be considered correct
23:30 GreenDimond  "metaphorical analogy"
23:31 jas_         lol
23:31 jas_         yes versus a literal analogy hahaha
23:32 GreenDimond  ...
23:32 jas_         anywhoos
23:32 aerozoic     and now i must switch to windows to play a game that i can't get to work on linux :(
23:35 jas_         so anyway when ur full and no longer hungry you are "satiated" i would copy paste definition but that seems hard.  definitely a typo i thjnk blockmen was swedish?  second language anyway