Time  Nick           Message
00:43 ChimneySwift   anybody got any recommendations for a cheap-ish multi-purpose VPS? (web server or 2, couple of small private game servers)
01:17 sniper570      ChimneySwift: I use dat > https://www.scaleway.com
01:22 ChimneySwift   thanks sniper570
06:01 jas_           the fire mod's fire sounds play positionally using `to_player', i think that means the sound is only played for the client specified?  i'm wondering if playing the sound individually for the various players is better than playing the sounds attached to objects in and around the fire.  just a thought.  i heard entities, though, are just as heavy on the server as players anyway.
06:01 * jas_         goes back to experimenting
06:05 jas_           it appears omitting `to_player' and relying only on `pos' sets the sound playing at that location.  if it turns out it plays for all connected client, which i think it might, then is that better than looping through and updating the sound for each player on globalstep?
06:06 jas_           (playing the sound once at a position that clients can hear if they're within max_hear_distance, versus playing the sound multiple times for all players.  just thinking out loud, i will do experiments some day and report back.)
07:07 jas_           pasted from wrong channel: ye using pos only and omitting to_player plays the sound positionally for all connected clients
07:30 ChimneySwift   if the option is to play the sound at a position with max_hear_distance or to use a globalstep to play for each client, do the first. if you can avoid globalstep its usually better
07:32 ChimneySwift   and players are entities, which is why they're  generally just as heavy. though some entities aren't as bad for the server because they don't need to be updated, like static item entities
07:59 jas_           fire is using globalstep i think.
10:06 DI3HARD139-m   ChimneySwift SoYouStart is really good. Kimsufi is good too but its Network traffic is a bit of hit n miss in Europe.
10:12 VanessaE       I use SoYouStart.
10:12 DI3HARD139-m   Same
10:13 VanessaE       good hardware, good prices, good network, good DDoS protection comes standard, and good customer service, too.  I can't recommend them enough.
10:13 DI3HARD139-m   I usually average 1Gbps/256Mbps 0-3ms in Canada.
10:14 DI3HARD139-m   For network
10:14 VanessaE       of course, the pipe between here and France is dodgy sometimes.
10:14 VanessaE       (my server's in the BH...something datacenter)
10:15 DI3HARD139-m   BHS6 here
10:15 VanessaE       (no...not BH.... RB-something)
10:15 VanessaE       now I have to go look :P
10:15 VanessaE       RBX3
10:16 VanessaE       I wonder how I'd go about upgrading the OS on that box.  it's.... old.
10:16 DI3HARD139-m   Their pipe between NA and France is weird as you said. Scp maxes at 3MB/s between RBXx and BHS6. Still confused as to why.
10:17 DI3HARD139-m   Have fun if you do. I had to do a clean install to move from Ubuntu Server 14.04 to 18.04
10:17 VanessaE       some days, I can push 400 kB/sec to the server.  other days, I'm lucky to break 100.
10:18 VanessaE       (I have 213/12 Mbps service)
10:18 DI3HARD139-m   I tried switching the DNS servers to google but the server dropped off the datacenters network. It was weird.
10:19 DI3HARD139-m   200+150/13+13 here
10:21 DI3HARD139-m   Hello there Fixer
10:22 VanessaE       DI3HARD139-m: eh.  soon-ish, I may change servers.  I'll worry about it when that time comes.  for now, I just keep it up-to-date.
10:22 VanessaE       (well as up-to-date as it's willing to be :P )
10:22 DI3HARD139-m   :P
11:06 tenplus1       hi folks
11:16 ChimneySwift   hi tenplus1
11:17 ChimneySwift   also thanks guys for your recommendations
11:17 tenplus1       hi chimney
11:18 tenplus1       ?? recommendation ??
11:22 tenplus1       what did I miss :P
11:25 ChimneySwift   I asked if anyone had any recommendations for cheap multipurpose VPSes a bit ago
11:27 tenplus1       ahhh, kewl
11:28 tenplus1       was looking at the RockPro64 arm board (kinda like raspberry pi) which seems quite powerful and fast, and for $60 can run a server for only 4watts
11:28 tenplus1       hi fixer
11:30 ChimneySwift   oh wow nice
11:37 tenplus1       https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=61454 if anyone is interested
11:39 nerzhul        i have the non pro version at home as a kubernetes node with 4GB ram with eMMC and yes it's better than RPI
11:39 nerzhul        pro version is not cheap but has very extended support
11:39 tenplus1       hi nerzhul :)
11:40 nerzhul        hi tenplus1
11:40 tenplus1       yeah, pro version looks pretty good, fast enough for server use, 4gb memory is plenty and a decent emmc/ssd
11:42 tenplus1       been thinking of replacing my net-top with one :D
11:46 BuckarooBanzai hi all
11:46 tenplus1       hi Buckaroo
11:47 BuckarooBanzai i'm having some issues with technic on my server :(
11:47 tenplus1       running slow ?
11:47 BuckarooBanzai i got lag spikes about 20 seconds high from the switching station abm...
11:47 BuckarooBanzai Posted it on the forum already, sorry for asking again: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=333354#p333354
11:48 tenplus1       checking
11:48 BuckarooBanzai is that a "normal" behavior?
11:49 tenplus1       it's keeping the area loaded into memory as well as running the machine and what's connected to it... can become very intensive
11:50 BuckarooBanzai hmm, thought about that too and set the force_loaded blocks to 0
11:50 tenplus1       you can use the /powerctrl  commant in minetest chat to enable./disable the abm and see how it runs without it
11:51 BuckarooBanzai does every server-owner has this problem with technic?
11:51 BuckarooBanzai *that
11:52 tenplus1       things like technic and mesecons will always run slowly on a server with many players
11:52 tenplus1       they work well singleplayer, but add a few extra to the mix and things really slow donw
11:52 tenplus1       basic_machines and elepower seem to run a little better
11:54 BuckarooBanzai as far as i know is the problem that huge networks don't perform well. how about limiting the amount of machines on a switching station? would that work?
11:54 tenplus1       the less it has to work on the better, so yes it may help
11:55 tenplus1       the switching station ABM is pretty intensive from what I can see
11:55 BuckarooBanzai ok, i'll keep that in mind, thank you :)
11:55 BuckarooBanzai and btw: you make awesome mods! :D
11:55 tenplus1       lol
11:55 tenplus1       thx
11:56 tenplus1       community effort :D
12:08 lisac          hey tenplus1
12:08 lisac          :D
12:08 tenplus1       hi lisac
12:20 tenplus1       hi T4im
12:21 T4im           hi :)
12:47 tenplus1       hi jas
12:49 jas_           hi!
13:18 tenplus1       lol, video player in mc... ahaha
13:30 tenplus1       guy is good iwth modding
13:31 Fixer          minecraft is a new EMACS
13:31 tenplus1       heh...
13:31 Fixer          tenplus1: https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/luckyblocks-datapack
13:34 tenplus1       bookmarked, will check it out and see if I can add anything LD thx
13:53 VanessaE       Fixer: there'
13:54 tenplus1       o/ Vanessa
13:54 VanessaE       ..is a very rudimentary one on one of my servers
13:54 VanessaE       cheapie's building it
13:54 jas_           no need to insult emacs
13:54 VanessaE       video player that is.  it isn't nearly as fast as ^ that, owing to the limits of Lua, but it works.
13:55 tenplus1       and with unifieddyes will prolly have more colours
13:55 VanessaE       no need for UD, but sure (256 colors)
13:55 tenplus1       yay
13:56 VanessaE       besides ^^ that one is a cheat.  it's pre-rendering the video as stacked "frames" stored elsewhere in the world.
13:59 * tenplus1     imagines the RIAA knocking on Vanessa's server after playing pirated movies in hidden cinema rooms on server :P
14:02 VanessaE       :P
14:20 tenplus1       wb
14:23 ANAND          Thanks, and hi :)
14:25 tenplus1       :P
14:34 tenplus1       hi mister
14:34 Mr_Pardison    'ello
14:47 tenplus1       lol... hi benrob
14:47 benrob0329     Hi tenplus1
14:50 tenplus1       nice screeny :)
14:50 benrob0329     Why do things that should be static pages require JS to do anything?
14:50 tenplus1       if possible avoid using js altogether
14:51 T4im           it sounded like they already know that and just got frustrated because so many pages enforce it anyway :x
14:51 tenplus1       heh
14:52 benrob0329     GUIs: Hey guys using static definitions makes building apps easier.
14:52 benrob0329     Web: DYNAMIC EVERYTHING
14:52 T4im           like gitlab for what it's worth
14:52 tenplus1       *shudder* dont like gitlab
14:52 benrob0329     This tbh
14:52 T4im           it won't let you display a file without it :s
14:52 benrob0329     Its the one reason I may move from Gitlab
14:52 T4im           unless opening it raw ofc
14:53 tenplus1       I'm on notabug.org because it's fast/simple to use and not heavy on js
14:53 benrob0329     For what I'm doing, the site shouldn't need scripts, then again Github shouldn't either
14:54 T4im           github works pretty well without javascript
14:58 T4im           it's not like their software suddenly starts sucking just because they were bought by ms :x that probably will have to take some time to creep in first :p
15:00 tenplus1       little changes bit by bit :P
15:01 celeron55      ms is fairly well meaning compared to most, but very incompetent
15:01 celeron55      (hi)
15:02 tenplus1       hi celeron
15:03 T4im           it might very well depend on whether ms plans to keep them woking autonomously or tries to merge them into ms
15:20 tenplus1       wb behalebabo
15:20 behalebabo     ty
15:20 VanessaE       ARGH
15:20 tenplus1       Mobs Redo API, Monsters, Animals, Horse and NSSM all have new releases on git
15:21 tenplus1       brb
15:21 VanessaE       is this a mintest_game bug?   dark green dye + wool = green wool (NOT dark green wool)
15:21 Mr_Pardison    seems legit :P
15:22 Shara          Doesn't happen for me
15:23 VanessaE       hm.  must be a unified dyes bug.
15:24 VanessaE       probably that excolor/unicolor bullshit.
15:28 VanessaE       nope, it ain't unified dyes
15:28 VanessaE       it doesn't do that unicolor/excolor thing anyone.
15:28 VanessaE       anymore*
15:28 VanessaE       but dark green dye still has it set.
15:32 VanessaE       groups = {
15:32 VanessaE       excolor_green = 1,
15:32 VanessaE       this is the problem def item
15:33 VanessaE       because (not dark) green will take ANY green in that group.
15:34 tenplus1       0.4.17 or 5.0 VanessaE ?
15:34 VanessaE       0.4.17.1
15:35 VanessaE       it works fine in minetest_game, but not with dreambuilder, or on my skyblock server.
15:35 tenplus1       unicolor and excolor was removed in 5.0 dev...  sadly that crap still exists in 0.4.17 and below
15:38 VanessaE       there are no references to "basecolor" or  "excolor" in any mod I run on the Skyblock server... and only stainedglass still uses "unicolor" (for some unused glass crafts)...
15:41 VanessaE       ok, it ain't UD, just checked with only it and mtg.
15:43 tenplus1       use the dye mod from 5.0 and see if that helpos
15:44 VanessaE       G*d damn it.  Moreblocks is the fault.
15:44 VanessaE       Just tried with only Moreblocks and no other mods enabled.
15:44 VanessaE       Calinou !
15:46 VanessaE       though I fail to see how.  there are no basecolor, unicolor, or excolor references in the mod.
15:46 tenplus1       checking
15:48 tenplus1       weird, only reference to dark_green in moreblocks is the stairsplus registration: https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreblocks/blob/846214993ff6502632808806d68263c16f98105c/stairsplus/registrations.lua#L101
15:49 VanessaE       yeah, I'm looking at that now.
15:50 tenplus1       o/ mister
15:51 tenplus1       strange, Xanadu uses moreblocks and dary green wool works ok when crafting
15:52 * VanessaE     sighs
15:53 * VanessaE     wipes out ~/.minetest/mods and tries again
15:54 VanessaE       http://i.imgur.com/qhYG5nU.png
15:55 VanessaE       definitely a conflict somewhere between moreblocks and mtg.
15:55 VanessaE       ^ that is mtg, moreblocks, and nothing else.
15:56 tenplus1       so weird
15:56 VanessaE       and I just re-confirmed the rotation bug, too
15:57 garywhite1     Well, idk why I got dropped
15:57 tenplus1       wb gary
15:57 VanessaE       I am 100% positive, without any doubts whatsoever, that moreblocks is the only mod that's loaded in this test map.
16:06 garywhite      Just to clarify, 0.4.17.1 now is only supported on Windows 7 or higher, right?
16:07 VanessaE       https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreblocks/issues/130
16:12 VanessaE       no idea, gary.
16:17 tenplus1       this dye bug is confusing, cant find anything in moreblocks that causes it
16:17 VanessaE       neither can I.
16:18 VanessaE       https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreblocks/blob/master/stairsplus/registrations.lua#L109
16:18 VanessaE       except possibly thid
16:18 VanessaE       this(
16:18 VanessaE       opkdjeadoi[hfohsdaoho's
16:19 VanessaE       last time I tried to do something like that in another mod, things got all wonky.
16:29 garywhite      As I was gonna say before, has anyone else noticed that the number of players has been going down lately?
16:29 VanessaE       yes.
16:31 garywhite      There used to be 400 players online at any time, at this moment it's below 300
16:38 sofar          summer time and vacation period are likely high population times
16:38 sofar          right now we're in school time?
16:39 sofar          unsure of long term trends, though :)
16:41 garywhite      Well, to try to boost numbers, I (finally) updated the old MT download on Download.com to 0.4.17.1 instead of the 0.4.15 that was on the site
16:42 garywhite      Cause it says since 0.4.15 was posted, 5000+ downloads were made from there
16:42 garywhite      & 0.4.15 was posted very late in its life before 0.4.16
17:07 Fixer          some popular minetest server were closed as well
17:07 Fixer          servers*
17:11 Krock          hi tenplus1
17:13 tenplus1       hi Krock
17:13 tenplus1       hows things :)
17:26 * VanessaE     quietly slides a merge commit in front of Krock ;)
17:27 tenplus1       lol
17:30 tenplus1       Lucky Blocks updated... added a wad of new blocks...  is there any blocks or mods that anyone wants me to add ???
17:31 Shara          tenplus1: all of them :)
17:32 tenplus1       lol, hi Shara :P
17:32 Shara          You're welcome to think up things for any of mine you didn't include yet :P
17:33 tenplus1       I think i've added the abri one's already
17:33 tenplus1       will double check
17:36 * VanessaE     pokes Calinou with a clock and calendar :P
17:36 VanessaE       (since he has no time :P )
17:36 * tenplus1     initiates Ground Hog Day for issues and pulls
17:42 tenplus1       o/ srifqi
17:42 srifqi         \o tenplus1
17:42 tenplus1       :P
17:42 srifqi         It's been long time since I'm in IRC.
17:43 srifqi         since last time*
17:43 * Krock        slides a force push to VanessaE
17:43 VanessaE       oh yeah?
17:43 * VanessaE     counters with a git submodule.
17:44 tenplus1       lolol
17:45 * benrob0329   counters with adblock and noScript
17:55 benrob0329     Calinou: fun fact: vavoom detects my laptop's accelerometer and let's me play Doom via tilting it
17:55 tenplus1       hi ssieb
17:55 ssieb          hi
19:03 tenplus1       nite folks :)
22:19 jas_           once minetest.sound_fade(handle, step, target) is used on a sound handle, that (sound) handle can no longer be stopped with minetest.sound_stop(handle).  my concern is that if a sound is looping, and set to fade to zero, it is actually playing indefinitely just inaudibly.  i'm theorizing.