Time  Nick          Message
02:33 * VanessaE    pokes sofar with some pending PRs
02:36 sofar         links?
02:46 VanessaE      https://github.com/minetest-mods/blox/pull/4
02:46 VanessaE      https://github.com/minetest-mods/unifiedbricks/pull/6
02:46 VanessaE      https://github.com/minetest-mods/BobBlocks/pull/2
04:02 VanessaE      thanks, sofar  :)
04:03 sofar         np
05:17 * ANAND       pokes sofar with one pending PR
05:17 ANAND         https://github.com/minetest-mods/filter/pull/10
08:32 tenplus1      hi folksx
08:33 * VanessaE    pokes tenplus1 with a lag spike ;)
08:33 tenplus1      lol, hi Vanessa
08:33 VanessaE      hi
08:33 tenplus1      what's lagging today ?
08:33 VanessaE      you didn't see my msg?
08:34 tenplus1      ? what message ?
08:34 VanessaE      tenplus1: Sep-29 03:03 UTC <VanessaE> "which call is lagging in bees now" --"ABM #2, same as [before]"  i.e. wild hives take anywhere from 5 seconds to as much as 30 to spawn
08:34 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2 -- Burned wood
08:34 VanessaE      shaddup, bot.
08:35 VanessaE      and said time is spent lagging/hanging the server
08:35 VanessaE      i.e. when the ABM hits, it takes an ice age to finish
08:35 tenplus1      checking
08:36 tenplus1      oh yeah, I tried making it an lbm but because it doesnt have neighbors the manual check made it lag even more
08:37 VanessaE      ew
08:37 tenplus1      I know... it's the find_node_near for other hives that's causing the issue
08:37 VanessaE      how wide a range is the code checking?
08:38 tenplus1      40 nodes, could replace it withj 20 maybe ?
08:38 VanessaE      holy shit
08:38 VanessaE      that's a huge range to check
08:39 VanessaE      sounds like the code should be checking a perlin map or evenly divisible coords or something instead.
08:39 tenplus1      abm looks for leaves, will change it so neighbor is "air" to reduce the amount
08:39 VanessaE      that will help.
08:39 tenplus1      ald will only check a radius of 20 instead of 40
08:42 VanessaE      well that may put them too close together.
08:42 VanessaE      how about checking if the target coords are evenly divisible by 40, and then a radius of 10?
08:43 VanessaE      and then finally, pick a random position within 10m of the target
08:43 VanessaE      make sense?
08:44 tenplus1      sounds like it would be more intensive
08:44 VanessaE      hm.
08:44 tenplus1      would still need to add another find_nodes_near ir find_nodes_in_area for random end
08:44 jas_          hi
08:44 VanessaE      hence the 10m radius check.
08:45 tenplus1      but the divisible by 40 sounds ideal
08:46 tenplus1      saves the findnodenear check if it's spread out already
08:46 VanessaE      divisible by 40 would be super cheap
08:46 VanessaE      and no one will be able to see the difference in-world.
08:46 tenplus1      lemmie rmember what math function does that... too early in morning for mayth :D
08:46 VanessaE      if math.floor(x/40) = x/40 then.....
08:47 tenplus1      lol yeah
08:47 VanessaE      then the same with z, but not y
08:48 tenplus1      will give it a chance to be >- 5 nodes from the initial 40 check
08:48 VanessaE      ok
08:48 tenplus1      bneing too specific limits the chance of a hive at all
08:54 tenplus1      unless I reduce the abm time from 1600 to 60 and it can check for the 40 divide and return if not found... will only place a hive at the exact location which solves it
08:55 VanessaE      that's why I suggested find_nodes_near and picking a random spot near the target coords
08:56 tenplus1      the final find_node_near would need to be looking for leaves and I'd have to add another check below it for air... so that's 2 additional
08:57 tenplus1      lemmie run a test world and see how often hives spawn with current 40 limit
09:00 tenplus1      wow, works surprisingly well
09:00 VanessaE      :)
09:01 tenplus1      thanks for the suggestion... the /40 places enough hives spaced apart it doesnt need the check... alos, it can be made into an lbm a lot easier so they appear once only
09:01 VanessaE      maybe keep it an ABM
09:01 VanessaE      otherwise eventually no hives
09:02 tenplus1      keep them respawning... gotcha
09:02 tenplus1      might do a Y/10 thing as well, so hives dont spawn under each other
09:02 VanessaE      good idea
09:03 VanessaE      maybe y/5
09:03 tenplus1      k, nmew world. check8ing
09:11 tenplus1      how often should be run abm and chance ?
09:12 VanessaE      I think the original values are fine
09:12 VanessaE      what was it, 1600 interval and some 40 chancee?
09:12 VanessaE      -
09:12 VanessaE      -e
09:13 tenplus1      as high ? you wont see hives for a while, especially if it's a specific location now
09:13 VanessaE      what's your thought?
09:14 tenplus1      26 minutes at a chance of 20 could be made maybe 5 minutes and chance of 5
09:18 tenplus1      I'll do a happy medium, 800 time, 10 chance :)
09:18 VanessaE      ok
09:20 tenplus1      git updated :) try this... https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/bees
09:20 tenplus1      it's funny, every 500 nodes or so you'll see a pine tree with 2x hives... 1 low down and 1 high up in same xy coord :) ahaha
09:21 tenplus1      I like that
09:27 IcyDiamond    i wonder why decorations do that
09:27 tenplus1      hi icy... do what ?
09:27 IcyDiamond    my crystals also appear one on the ceiling and one on the floor
09:27 IcyDiamond    on the same xz
09:28 VanessaE      tenplus1: heh
09:28 IcyDiamond    i want them to be able to appear on ceiling or floor not both at the same time
09:28 VanessaE      hence my suggestion to use find_nodes_near with a radius of 10, and pick a random item from the given list
09:28 tenplus1      put a random chance in there same as I did with illumishrooms
09:29 tenplus1      if math.random(1,2)==1 then return end
09:30 IcyDiamond    btw i never got my tunneling to work
09:30 IcyDiamond    i just cant do vector math
09:30 IcyDiamond    at all
09:30 IcyDiamond    xD
09:31 IcyDiamond    i want the tunnel to appear in front of the player regardless of which direction (wallmount dir, not any angle in between) he's looking at
09:31 IcyDiamond    need to get a minp and maxp from that somehow
09:32 tenplus1      local dir = player:get_look_direction()
09:32 tenplus1      and work with that
09:32 IcyDiamond    i did, but "work with that" isn't helping me
09:32 IcyDiamond    XD
09:34 IcyDiamond    https://termbin.lunasqu.ee/5svt this is what i had
09:34 IcyDiamond    didnt work out
09:34 IcyDiamond    (the t is for testing purposes)
10:01 * tenplus1    steals some raw honey for his coffee :D
10:03 VanessaE      haha
10:05 tenplus1      lemmie know how it runs :) might add it to Xanadu and give players a chance at bee's :D
10:06 VanessaE      it's ready?
10:06 VanessaE      did you profile it? :)
10:06 VanessaE      </nag>
10:06 tenplus1      lolol, ran the abm function 10,000 times to test
10:07 * VanessaE    stages it to her servers
10:07 VanessaE      hm, no one online
10:07 VanessaE      guess I'll just deploy it.
10:07 tenplus1      monday morning... school and work sadly :P
10:07 VanessaE      yeah
10:09 tenplus1      afk, maiking noms :P
11:00 tenplus1      hi fixer
11:05 tenplus1      o/
11:10 tenplus1      hi fussel
11:24 tenplus1      Mobs Redo API updated (added attack_chance) - Teleport Potion updated (fixed drops)
11:27 tenplus1      Lucky Blocks updated (tweaks and wellblock drops) - Pie mod updated (can dig whole pie with crystal shovel) - Ethereal NG updated (fixed LB tree schems and tweaks)
12:16 * tenplus1    figured out how to double LUA execution speed
12:17 VanessaE      load up luajit? ;)
12:17 tenplus1      nup, upgrade pc :D
12:17 VanessaE      heh
12:17 VanessaE      that works too, I guess :P
12:18 tenplus1      already use luajit... if only it would work across multiple cores
12:18 VanessaE      yeah.
12:18 VanessaE      or just give us Lua threads anyways.
12:19 tenplus1      mind you, if client mods worked and loaded said mods from server-side it would help
12:19 tenplus1      but I wouldnt trust it in current form
12:19 VanessaE      at least then, f.ex, technic or biome_lib can shove their time-consuming code into another thread and not block the other mods.
12:20 VanessaE      yeah, that could help, too, in limited cases.
12:21 tenplus1      lua definitely needs this though, limiting to 1 core can really be a pain
12:22 tenplus1      am wondering if when you get_node or find_node it scans through map cached in memory or reads from actual mapfile
12:22 tenplus1      if it already looks at the in-memory map, how come it's slow
12:23 VanessaE      yeah, especially if you've already done everything you can to make the code run fast on one core, between optimizations and luajit..
12:23 VanessaE      no idea.
12:23 tenplus1      reducing the bottlenecks to lua, especially in minetest would help a lot...
12:51 rubenwardy    tenplus1: memory
12:51 rubenwardy    Unloaded map blocks returns ignore
12:51 rubenwardy    !book operat
12:51 tenplus1      hi ruben, thanks...
12:51 rubenwardy    MinetestBot!
12:51 MinetestBot   rubenwardy!
12:52 rubenwardy    !book map op
12:52 tenplus1      am going though c++ code and looking at how the map functions work
12:52 rubenwardy    https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/map/environment.html
12:53 tenplus1      getting node light still has to get the actual node, so why not return light level inside get_node(pos).light
12:53 rubenwardy    It does
12:53 MinetestBot   rubenwardy: Basic Map Operations - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/map/environment.html
12:53 rubenwardy    Param1
12:54 rubenwardy    Thanks MinetestBot!
12:54 MinetestBot   rubenwardy: Basic Map Operations - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/map/environment.html
12:54 VanessaE      heh
12:54 tenplus1      so when running an abm say for a street light, the 'node.param1' should already have light level ?
12:58 tenplus1      param1 always returns 14 be it night or day
12:58 tenplus1      wb fixer
12:59 IcyDiamond    MinetestBot!
12:59 IcyDiamond    :(
12:59 tenplus1      o/ aerozoic
13:00 aerozoic      wazup tenplus1 ! stayin busy?
13:00 IcyDiamond    sock.write('PRIVMSG IcyDiamond :hello\r\n')
13:01 IcyDiamond    I miss working with IRC bots
13:01 tenplus1      lookint at mt engine code to see how it works :D
13:01 IcyDiamond    Now I don't have a channel anymore
13:01 aerozoic      or doesn't? XD
13:01 IcyDiamond    So I don't need to work with IRC bots
13:01 tenplus1      :P
13:04 rubenwardy    tenplus1: the value is constant
13:05 rubenwardy    You need to get the upper and lower halves of the byte
13:05 tenplus1      stores light with and without sun
13:05 rubenwardy    The upper half is night time
13:05 rubenwardy    The lower half is day time
13:05 tenplus1      hi ANAND
13:05 rubenwardy    This is part of the node data, get_light isn't. Get light is calculated from the node data
13:05 ANAND         Hello :)
13:06 tenplus1      ohh, so I cant really do it with param1, I need to use get_light ?
13:06 rubenwardy    The issue with including get light in get node is ambiguity
13:06 tenplus1      hey tim
13:06 rubenwardy    What do you read from when doing set node
13:06 timdorohin    tenplus1: hi
13:08 tenplus1      ruben, huh ?
13:15 rubenwardy    Rhetorical question
13:16 tenplus1      lol
13:16 rubenwardy    If you did set node, and had contradicting values of light and param1, which one do you use?
13:16 tenplus1      you mean get_node ?
13:39 rud0lf        is Ruslan russian Aslan?
13:39 rud0lf        :)
13:40 rud0lf        the witch, the lion, and the bottle of smirnoff
13:40 rud0lf        sorry for racism :P
13:40 tenplus1      lol, hi rud0lf
13:40 rud0lf        hi tenplus1 :)
14:19 tenplus1      hi lumber
14:19 lumberJ       hey tenplus1
14:31 rubenwardy    No, I mean set node
14:32 tenplus1      in that case I dont understand the question,
14:56 rubenwardy    My point is that returning the current light level in getdata makes no sense and causes big issues, tenplus1
14:57 tenplus1      okie
15:03 tenplus1      hi tumeni
15:03 tumeninodes   hey 10+1
15:03 tumeninodes   heh... maths
15:03 tenplus1      nuuuuuu, not on a monday
15:03 tumeninodes   especially a groggy Monday
15:05 tenplus1      yeah, it doesnt feel like an exciting day...
15:05 tumeninodes   the extent of my excitement today, is remembering wth I'm doing
15:06 tenplus1      am watching youtube vids while going through mod/minetest code
15:06 tenplus1      VanessaE: in biomes_lib, does stage 2 merely delete areaas to place new plantlife ???
15:06 tumeninodes   See, that's my problem, I get too caught up in the tubes and forget I'm working on stuff :P
15:07 * tenplus1    has browser on right, mousepad on left containing code :D
15:07 tumeninodes   cheat
15:07 tenplus1      VanessaE: I have a way to improve area generation
15:07 tenplus1      ehehe, HD monitors are handy things to have :D
15:08 tumeninodes   I just use a bigass lcd tv
15:08 tumeninodes   too lazy for dual set up
15:08 tenplus1      heh, it's all down to whats comfortable for you :)   my 24" monitor suits me fine
15:08 tumeninodes   42"
15:09 tenplus1      :P
15:09 tumeninodes   wall mount to adjust so I don't have to labor the burden of head or max eye movements :D
15:10 tenplus1      nice :)
15:12 tumeninodes   I can't multi-task when working on code
15:12 tenplus1      background noise kinda helps here
15:14 tumeninodes   sirens? 0_o
15:14 tenplus1      lol, mostly youtube :D
15:14 tenplus1      either music or tutorial.help vid
15:15 tumeninodes   there are some really dark places on youtube. I've toured a few
15:15 tumeninodes   hahaha I did 3 tours in youtube = vet
15:16 tumeninodes   ptytd
15:16 tenplus1      lol, "Daz Games" and "SandMan" are the latest vids
15:16 tumeninodes   trendys
15:17 tenplus1      oh wow, biomes_lib changes really do work
15:17 tumeninodes   the changes you just worked on?
15:18 tenplus1      just simple tweaks, but it's increased generation speed
15:18 tenplus1      even on my crappy net-top
15:18 tumeninodes   nice
15:20 tumeninodes   did you try it using all avail mods that use biomes_lib?
15:22 tenplus1      I installed plantlife pack... then just walked around and it generates quicker than I can walk to the next chunk :D
15:22 tenplus1      before it would lag and I'd have to wait for the map to load
15:23 tumeninodes   nice job
15:24 tumeninodes   ?? do any of our avail searches allow finding mods which depend on aanother mod/library?
15:24 ShadowBot     tumeninodes: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
15:25 tumeninodes   you know what Shadowbot?
15:25 tumeninodes   talk to the hand
15:26 tenplus1      ahaha
15:26 tumeninodes   someone needs to create a bot named Jarvis
15:27 tenplus1      !jarvis - coffee, black, 1 suger
15:27 tenplus1      aww
15:27 tumeninodes   would be nice to be able to type in, say "biomes_lib" and it will also show which mods list it as a dep
15:28 tenplus1      just need to go through mods tab to show that :D
15:28 tumeninodes   haha no coffee 4 u
15:30 tumeninodes   wha? which mods tab, where. you mean in main menu? or online
15:30 tumeninodes   why am I confused
15:30 tenplus1      main menu, click mod, look at dependencies :) and I tend to group them all inside plantlife modpack so I know :D
15:31 tumeninodes   right but, if you want to find out all the mods which depend on biomes_lib, that is what I mean
15:32 tenplus1      a command to list them all
15:32 tumeninodes   yerp
15:34 tumeninodes   I think that would be a good idea, for libraries anyway
15:35 tumeninodes   brb, have to go check on the elderly :P
15:35 tenplus1      :P
16:41 MinetestBot   Krock: Sep-30 20:06 UTC <rubenwardy> https://i.rubenwardy.com/thX9X.png
16:41 Krock         hi tenplus1
16:41 tenplus1      hi Krock
16:41 Krock         rubenwardy: ouch owie. didn't test that yet
16:42 tenplus1      lol, seen the link pop up when you came in, clicked it to see what it was :D
16:43 Krock         err php what are you doing there
16:47 Krock         !tell rubenwardy Permission issue is fixed now. Thanks for your report
16:47 MinetestBot   Krock: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
16:48 rubenwardy    Thanks
16:48 MinetestBot   rubenwardy: Oct-01 16:47 UTC <Krock> Permission issue is fixed now. Thanks for your report
16:48 rubenwardy    Thanks
16:48 Krock         <3 MinetestBot
16:48 MinetestBot   <3 Krock
16:48 tenplus1      lol
16:49 tenplus1      is that what the php is for ?
16:52 rud0lf        php was intended to be template system
16:52 tenplus1      ahh
16:52 tenplus1      never really used it
16:52 Krock         rud0lf: still using as such for page building
17:23 Shara         Why does MTG berry bush PR keep needing to be complicated?
17:23 tenplus1      lol
17:23 tenplus1      o/ shara
17:24 Shara         This is why I made up new types of berry for my game.
17:25 rubenwardy    PHP is a very bad template system
17:25 Shara         No one can tell me they are the wrong size/colour/distance up a mountain/taste
17:26 tenplus1      the Huckleberry pull was fine in itself, then it somehow turns into a huge blueberry bush that's oversized
17:26 Shara         I was fine with huckleberry to be honest
17:27 tenplus1      paramat suggested he was fine with blueberry/bilberry and it instantly changed
17:30 * tumeninodes suddenly reconsiders the two PRs I was thinking of doing XP
17:30 Calinou       using PHP templates directly is uncommon these days, you just use Twig/Blade or similar
17:31 tenplus1      made up bushes were the better idea Shara
17:31 Shara         Doubt anyone would support that for MTG though :P
17:32 tumeninodes   you can't eat pretend berries... you'll pretend starve
17:32 tenplus1      lol
17:32 Shara         More like you'd actually starve, if you did it in the actual world :P
17:33 Shara         whereas in the pretend world they're real :P
17:33 tumeninodes   well, all I know is, my kid made me pretend cupcakes once when he was little... and they were horrible
17:33 Shara         So you won't actually pretend starve in the pretend world, unless you pretend to pretend starve while actually you are fine :P
17:34 longerstaff13 o/
17:34 tenplus1      hi longer
17:34 Shara         Hi longer :)
17:34 longerstaff13 hey 11, Shara
17:34 tenplus1      speaking of food, ethereal's golden apples heals all health, even when using hunger mods
17:34 * Shara       could do with an actually not pretend doughnut.
17:34 longerstaff13 mmm doughnut
17:34 tenplus1      donut with choccy sprinkes and custard inside :D
17:34 tumeninodes   see, longerstaff pretends too
17:35 longerstaff13 ?
17:35 lumberJ       have you ever had a hertz donut?
17:35 tumeninodes   [disappointed sigh over old joke]
17:35 lumberJ       :P
17:35 Shara         :D
17:36 lumberJ       its not my fault your old like me
17:36 tumeninodes   0_0 so my hair colouring shampoo isn;t working afterall... I knew it
17:37 lumberJ       do i recall correctly that joke being used in the simpsons?
17:37 tumeninodes   giveme refund
17:43 tumeninodes   complicate mod for MTG hmmm would that bring up the game only in command line?
17:44 tenplus1      o/ paramat
17:45 paramat       IcyDiamond see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/a29bc8e8babd9320b629e67dee753a08d18799d3/doc/lua_api.txt#L6436
17:46 IcyDiamond    paramat: oh, so i need to register floor and ceiling separately?
17:46 IcyDiamond    must've missed that line
17:46 tenplus1      good to know paramat, any chance of decorations on walls happening ?
17:47 tumeninodes   like creeping vines?
17:47 tenplus1      yup
17:47 tumeninodes   not a chance
17:47 tumeninodes   XD
17:47 tenplus1      aww
17:47 tumeninodes   seriously though, creeping vines and wall roses would be pretty nice
17:49 tumeninodes   notice I don't do anything related to improving performance, I just like to add to the load
17:50 paramat       yes for unaligned, use separate decoration registrations
17:50 paramat       wall decos ... 'ahahaha'
17:51 tumeninodes   probably better just done, added to an existing plant mod though, cuz it requires abm
17:57 Shara         tumeninodes: I have been thinking about wall plants actually.
17:57 Shara         But probably not for MTG :P
17:58 tenplus1      wb fussel
17:58 IhrFussel     Thanks and hi =)
17:58 tumeninodes   sounds good to me
17:58 Shara         I'd really like wall plants that handle themselves nicely around corners Just not sure of the best way to do it yet
18:00 tumeninodes   a plethora of textures
18:01 tumeninodes   gotta step afk again for a few
18:16 IcyDiamond    can i make a node that clings to walls of any node, kind of like fire but without the flowerlike part when on the surface
18:17 rubenwardy    flowerlike part?
18:17 IcyDiamond    can i just use connected nodebox type and connect to all nodes?
18:17 IcyDiamond    but how would i then exclude the node itself
18:19 IcyDiamond    http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130107042151/thaumcraft-3/images/8/85/Portableholeaction.png this is how thaumcraft's portable hole thing looks like
18:19 IcyDiamond    is there any way to do that in minetest? the sides of the nodes appear different
18:19 IcyDiamond    dont need particles
18:19 tenplus1      make it connected glasslike
18:19 tenplus1      but not walkable
18:21 IcyDiamond    uh, how would that work
18:22 IcyDiamond    well it kind of works, except that the entry and exit are blocked too
18:24 IcyDiamond    i guess its impossible
18:25 IcyDiamond    all i can think of is to create nodes for each of the different possible configurations..
18:25 IcyDiamond    jfc
18:25 tenplus1      glasslike would make a border around the gap, but still let you walk through
18:25 tenplus1      http://i.imgur.com/VIn2ioK.png
18:29 IcyDiamond    https://i.lunasqu.ee/2018-10-01_21.28.06.webm
18:29 IcyDiamond    it's so close to what i want
18:29 IcyDiamond    XD
18:29 tenplus1      that looks pretty kewl dude :D
18:30 IcyDiamond    SO close
18:31 IcyDiamond    I want the faces that dont have a node behind them to stay blank
18:31 IcyDiamond    but i guess thats impossible
18:31 tenplus1      make it a water node that dfoesnt flow, like the quicksand I have in ethereal
18:32 tenplus1      when inside it looks like that
18:32 tenplus1      and you can float through it :D
18:34 tenplus1      hi ssieb
18:34 IcyDiamond    uh nope
18:34 IcyDiamond    plus it waves
18:34 IcyDiamond    XD
18:34 tenplus1      it's a portal afterall :D
18:34 IcyDiamond    eh not really
18:35 tenplus1      lol
18:35 IcyDiamond    guess ill have to stick with glasslike until i figure smth better out
18:35 IcyDiamond    XD
18:36 IcyDiamond    idk how one would call this drawtype so i cant even make a feature request
18:37 IcyDiamond    then again, paramat will probably close it in a few days
18:37 IcyDiamond    so why bother
18:37 tenplus1      :P
18:37 IcyDiamond    i mean, it could also be used for vines and stuff..
18:37 IcyDiamond    kind of
18:38 IcyDiamond    eh idk
18:39 rdococ        I want to create a simple platforming game about economics
18:40 tenplus1      how would that work ?
18:46 paramat       lol
18:48 paramat       connected nodebox might work, without the centre part
18:48 paramat       hm but then, 'connects to' needs to be everything
18:50 tenplus1      unless you make an entity the same size as the nodes removed and walk through it :D
18:50 tenplus1      that way it's the right size, colour, solid walls, can walk through etc ?
19:07 tenplus1      nite folks o//
19:39 tumeninodes   who is credited for default_glass.png ? It must be celeron55, as it is not listed anywhere else
19:40 Fixer         IcyDiamond: nice
19:40 tumeninodes   maybe another pair of eyes will find it
19:43 paramat       yes anything not credited is c55 (i think)
19:44 tumeninodes   yeh, that's how it is stated, and I don't see it under anyone else. ok
19:45 paramat       yeah i can't see it credited either
19:56 tumeninodes   Shazam! https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/2226
19:56 tumeninodes   !title
19:56 MinetestBot   tumeninodes: add glass and obsidian glass slabs by TumeniNodes · Pull Request #2226 · minetest/minetest_game · GitHub
19:56 tumeninodes   no need to bow, mortals.
20:05 paramat       hm
20:05 paramat       maybe stairs too is a good idea
20:05 tumeninodes   I have to test how they look with the new slab textures
20:06 tumeninodes   please hold
20:09 paramat       i see. the stairs may have to use the normal glass textures
20:10 paramat       the glass slab textures should be in the stairs mod as they are only used there
20:11 tumeninodes   You know, I had them in a new texture folder in the stairs mod, then I thought, "nope, paramat will want them in default" :P
20:11 tumeninodes   glass stairs look horrible with normal glass textures
20:12 tumeninodes   they look fine with the new slab textures but the two others, inner and outer..., not so fine
20:13 tumeninodes   https://imgur.com/a/py5WevR
20:14 tumeninodes   brb, need to take a phone call
20:20 paramat       yes thinking about it, normal glass textures will look bad
20:20 Shara         Special side textures would probably be needed
20:23 paramat       inner and outer look reasonable to me. but it's possible to make dedicated textures for certain stair types
20:33 tumeninodes   would definitely require specific textures. The inner do not look too bad, it's the outer which would require (I think) at least two additional textures... for the front and side of the smaller, upper bit
20:33 tumeninodes   I can play around with them, and move the new textures into the stair mod, itself
20:34 paramat       well let's be restrained. after all we have certain textures that are imperfect in stair form, like stone blocks
20:35 tumeninodes   another thing to thin about (could be done with this PR or with another later) the glass_detail.png for both glass nodes are not required, as they are not even used anymore.
20:36 tumeninodes   obsidian glass uses none, and glass has the detail on the texture itself but, as I said, just another part of glass to think about
20:37 tumeninodes   Yeh, I agree on your last comment paramat, also remember, when the inner and outer are place upside down, that would require another two more each. : /  definitely overkill
20:39 tumeninodes   the idea of this was just to add glass slabs, which could be used to make makeshift stairs, as some do. I would be ok if there were a way I could add just "stairs" and leave the inner outer... out but, the way they were coded in, kinda makes that undoable
20:39 paramat       maybe first apply the glass slab textures to stairs in the PR, then we can test and see how it looks in-game, and take it from there
20:40 paramat       people will want all stair types in glass
20:40 tumeninodes   yep I can do that quick. The names will be switched to stairs_glass_slab.png, etc.
20:41 tumeninodes   yeh, most likely they will
20:41 tumeninodes   so to be clear, before I do it, do you want stairs added into the code as well, or leave it as just slabs for now?
20:42 paramat       slabs and all stairs. and all using the glass slab textures
20:42 tumeninodes   ok, coming up
20:42 paramat       anyway good PR, will support
20:43 tumeninodes   thank you
20:52 Shara         I support adding slabs, stairs depends how they look.
20:53 xerox123_     Yay! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wfvnry4QVh
21:00 tumeninodes   uh oh... well anyway, changes are in
21:03 tumeninodes   huh, that's weird. I never noticed that github does not show that a new folder was added.
21:04 paramat       the 'inner' might look best using the normal glass textures, don't change anyhting yet, just a thought to test
21:04 paramat       *anything
21:04 paramat       i'll try that when i test
21:04 tumeninodes   meaning in the information about files changed in a commit. It just states files were renamed with no changes
21:06 tumeninodes   yeh, you will need to use all 6 slots for textures then, that upper half of the node will still only pick up 1/2 across the texture though. Now, if there were another texture for each with another 2pixels wide going vertically... maybe that would do for both normal and uppy eyes down placement. not sure
21:07 paramat       initial code looks ok will test soon
21:07 tumeninodes   Though, doing so, will impact the slabs : /
21:07 tumeninodes   ok, I have to step out for a bit. bbs
21:09 tumeninodes   doh, forgot indents are off when using text editor I need to use 2 tabs, will fix when I get back
21:11 paramat       no rush could be done on a later PR update
21:13 rud0lf        i made a snippet (not a full mod), where can i post it?
21:13 rud0lf        can't find place at forum
21:13 rud0lf        it measures and/or cuts text in formspec to specified size
21:23 paramat       there is a forum thread for short bits of code
21:23 paramat       finding it is the problem :]
21:52 * Shara       sighs
21:52 Shara         http://gingercat.tk/mt/the_thing_about_creative.png
21:53 Shara         Why do players do these things?
22:01 paramat       lol
22:05 Shara         315 of them.... making a walkway all round the building/island
22:12 paramat       "suspiciously large amount of objects detected"
22:22 Shara         It's normal to see this madness with carts... first time I saw this though :P
22:30 tumeninodes   whaaaat thaaaaa??? boat jam
22:43 tumeninodes   Shara: possible to add in some code to remove boats after a specified amount of time, of being left, on the server.
22:48 tumeninodes   hm, connected glass should work for glass stairs as well... looking into it
22:49 paramat       i doubt that's possible
22:50 tumeninodes   https://imgur.com/a/3wsC509 too bad, it would make a world of difference when turned on in settings
22:51 Shara         tumeninodes: not that it would be worth adding
22:53 paramat       slabs/stairs are nodebox drawtype, framed glass only works for the cubic 'glasslike framed (optional)' drawtypes
22:54 tumeninodes   yeh, I know...
22:54 tumeninodes   my magic wand is broked
22:56 tumeninodes   bummer, oh well.
22:58 tumeninodes   https://imgur.com/a/rRalDSX
22:58 tumeninodes   !title
22:58 MinetestBot   tumeninodes: Some nut will do this someday - Album on Imgur
23:14 TommyTreasure is the github site still the current site for mesecons, or has it moved?
23:17 tumeninodes   I think it's still under github, in minetest mods
23:18 TommyTreasure thanks.  all of a sudden, getting server crashes that seem to be related to either mesecons and/or pipeworks
23:18 tumeninodes   https://github.com/minetest-mods/mesecons
23:19 tumeninodes   https://github.com/minetest-mods/pipeworks
23:19 tumeninodes   have fun ; P
23:19 TommyTreasure pipeworks has moved to gitlab
23:19 tumeninodes   what?!
23:20 tumeninodes   oh wait... Yes I think Vanessa did that
23:20 tumeninodes   not sure if they're synced up
23:20 TommyTreasure https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/
23:21 TommyTreasure but, since you're here.  i watched a video by richard jeffries, and it had a water feature.  was that your work?  trying to find the episode where i saw it
23:22 tumeninodes   oh... yeh it's just a quick code. can be used alone as it's own mod or added into another mod
23:22 TommyTreasure ah, that's why its not in your repo  :)
23:22 tumeninodes   hold on a sec
23:22 TommyTreasure that was a water node as a 'slab' style node, right?
23:23 tumeninodes   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=20211&hilit=water+feature
23:23 TommyTreasure kewel, and ty.  i think Shara would be interested in that too
23:23 tumeninodes   she hates all my stuff..., she's so mean
23:23 tumeninodes   :D
23:24 TommyTreasure lol
23:24 TommyTreasure i've got a few of yours on my server too.  if it wasn't infringing on your nick, i'd call my server tumenimods
23:25 tumeninodes   haha... thanks
23:26 tumeninodes   I'm infringed upon all the time and I barely ever notice
23:26 TommyTreasure somehow, i think 'lagworld' fits mine perfectly
23:26 tumeninodes   hahaha
23:27 tumeninodes   I think LagTest was mentioned as a name idea once
23:27 TommyTreasure 'Lag World' is actually the name of it
23:27 tumeninodes   bahahahaha
23:28 TommyTreasure one player asked if i was trying to get into the Guinness world records for installed mods
23:28 tumeninodes   at least you can't be accused of being misleading
23:29 tumeninodes   is that a thing?? 0_0  someone should call Guinness and find out XP
23:30 tumeninodes   could stick that right up wikipedia's.... 0_0
23:30 rubenwardy    what name did you use before your current name, tumeninodes?
23:31 rubenwardy    because it was changed at one point
23:31 tumeninodes   me?
23:31 rubenwardy    yeah
23:31 tumeninodes   The Great One
23:31 tumeninodes   :D
23:31 tumeninodes   after Jackie Gleason, but I realized it was too obnoxious
23:31 rubenwardy    ah right
23:32 tumeninodes   even though it's true haha
23:34 TommyTreasure fwiw: updating both mesecons and pipeworks seems to have stopped the crash issue
23:34 tumeninodes   Oooo, while I have you here... can a function be added, so when a one searches biome_lib, or other libraries, they can see a list of all the mods which use it?
23:35 tumeninodes   glad it was an easy fix
23:48 TommyTreasure the first one was easy, but i'm getting a crash loop with the water feature.   hang on, i'll paste the stack trace line
23:49 TommyTreasure
23:49 TommyTreasure efix required
23:49 TommyTreasure
23:49 TommyTreasure /usr/share/minetest/builtin/game/register.lua:65: Name water_feature:water_feature does not follow naming conventions: "overrides:" or ":" prefix required
23:53 TommyTreasure btw, running 0.4.17.1
23:58 tumeninodes   you have it set up as it's own mod?
23:59 tumeninodes   with a depends.txt and mod.conf ? I built it on 5.0.0dev but, should work with latest stable, nothing fancy about it