Time Nick Message 09:10 tenplus1 hi folks 09:10 tenplus1 Q. why does minetest use 6% of my CPU just sitting on title screen (no clouds active) 09:10 tenplus1 hi fixer 09:39 Fixer hello 09:40 tenplus1 o/ 09:53 tenplus1 wb Cal 10:29 shivajiva Hi tenplus :) 10:29 tenplus1 hi shiva, how's things ? 10:29 shivajiva good thanks, relatively ;) 10:29 tenplus1 :P 10:29 shivajiva what you been upto? 10:30 tenplus1 tinkering with mods as always and sadly getting annoyed at the new linux CoC that the sjw's included 10:31 shivajiva just investigating lerps for colour transitions myself 10:31 shivajiva sjw's? 10:31 tenplus1 social justice warriors 10:32 shivajiva oh those little dipsticks 10:32 tenplus1 seems the CoC (code of conduct) has gotten many linux devs annoyed 10:34 shivajiva The new CoC adapted by the Linux kernel development is written by Coraline Ada Ehmke. A highly controversial person who seems to have mostly spent her time commenting on Github projects about how they are sexist and not "diverse" enough (and by "diverse" she actually means she believes there are too many white men). 10:35 tenplus1 that's the thing, many devs are behind nicks so we dont know who or what they are, if they are religeous or not etc. etc. 10:35 shivajiva The problem with this is that the author of this CoC of it has spent a considerate amount of time tracking down developers, looking through their history and then if she does not like them (for example if they have differing political views than her) she has gotten them banned from projects. 10:36 shivajiva Basically, if you for example mentioned on Twitter that you voted for Trump, she might track that down and get you banned from working on certain open source projects. 10:36 shivajiva what a nice gal! 10:36 tenplus1 your personal life should have no effect on your ability to code and submissions 10:36 Shara Takes the "open" part out of it a bit, doesn't it? 10:36 tenplus1 youtube is angry with it also 10:37 tenplus1 she wants to have the ability to throw ppl out of the community for things they do in personal life, it's very sad 10:37 Shara What are the issues with the COC itself? Personally I don't care so much about who wrote it, because that sounds a bit like doing the same thing back to them 10:37 shivajiva Kiraly could get a job doing that, he's the right calibre 10:41 tenplus1 there's a pull to reword the CoC to make itmore friendly, andkeep personal life out of it 10:41 tenplus1 hi Shara 10:42 tenplus1 you'd think we wouldnt have to ask ppl to be nice to one another, common curtesy should already exist 10:45 shivajiva common courtesy is tacit on the internet 10:45 shivajiva and irl also as time is passing 10:46 tenplus1 exactly, so pushing a CoC isnt required. 10:47 shivajiva altruism is dying a slow death, soon we'll all be 'I'm alright Jack' 10:47 tenplus1 lol 10:57 tenplus1 hi tim 10:58 Shara Sorry, but without having read the CoC, I just don't get what the issue is. 10:58 timdorohin tenplus1: hi 10:58 timdorohin Shara: hi 10:58 Shara You're complaining the writer got personal, but also complaining the CoC is asking to keep personal life out of things? 10:58 Shara Hi timdorohin 11:00 tenplus1 Shara: they are using this clause "* Other conduct which could reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting" to try and oust ppl by checking into their personal past and pulling up things they have no right to pull up 11:00 Shara Okay, so what you said before was worded pretty confusingly :P 11:00 tenplus1 my bad 11:00 Shara No problem :) 11:01 tenplus1 I've eaten now, can think straight :D 11:01 Shara But yea, that's just way overly general and could be used for any random thing 11:01 * tenplus1 burps thai green curry 11:01 Shara Hehehe 11:02 tenplus1 they worded it a certain way so that anyone could be pulled into question with their personal life, even though that has nothing to do with being a linux dev... so there's a git pull trying to change the wording that might help: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/595 11:02 * tenplus1 hopes paramat doesn't swoop in and kick his ass 11:03 Shara There are issues where it can be bad to have someone with a certain background involved in a project, and that goes for MT as well, but they are usually very specific, and things like voting for Trump shouldn't come into it :P 11:09 tenplus1 here's a good case, Hans Thomas Reiser, author of reisferFS which is still included in linux... he was convicted of murder, should we stop using his contribution ? 11:10 Shara My view: Already added contribution? Nope, unless it's bad or a better replacement came along. The danger is not the contribution but whether future interaction between the person and a community could endanger their members. 11:11 Shara MT example: I'd have issues with someone with a proven history of child abuse involving online gromming hanging around MT, regardless of whether they contribute or not. 11:12 tenplus1 yeah, if someone will cause harm then it's not worth interacting with them 11:12 Shara But going back to remove any contributions before you identified the issue doesn't change any previous danger people were in, one way or the other. 11:13 tenplus1 put what they DID include to good use and learn from it 11:23 rubenwardy I don't like that pull 11:24 tenplus1 hi ruben, wb Calinou 11:24 rubenwardy Flimsy worded 11:24 tenplus1 rewrite the rewrite :D 11:24 rubenwardy "be it a physical, social, or mental condition" 11:59 shivajiva I don't like documents that are based around inclusion in this way, why can't it just be written from the stance of the common ground and morality rather than having to highlight the differences. It's like people revel in those differences and need them including or feel like they have not been accepted within the social framework...whatever next :) 12:00 tenplus1 pointing out the differences every single time means they dont go away and ppl think about them more 12:02 shivajiva yes self fulfilling separatism based on difference rather than common ground, almost like a control mechanism ;) 12:05 tenplus1 yup 12:08 shivajiva it's why we fight one another, covet one another and steal from one another. A top down philosophy to keep the status quo 12:08 tenplus1 why can't people be happy with what they have, strive for what they want and respect that people are different 12:12 IcyDiamond anyone know which mod could cause apples to drop as an item instead of going into the inventory when punched? 12:14 tenplus1 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2656 12:14 IcyDiamond nope 12:14 IcyDiamond I dont have that enabled 12:15 tenplus1 punching them to pick them up is more realistic I think 12:23 shivajiva what mods have you got installed that intercept the event? 12:24 tenplus1 ?? 12:25 shivajiva default behavior is to inventory isn't it 12:25 tenplus1 oh, yeah... 12:26 tenplus1 the mod uses function minetest.handle_node_drops(pos, drops, digger) to intercept and drop items instead of putting inside inventory 12:29 shivajiva yep but they are not using it so they added something that overrides default behaviour 12:29 tenplus1 not using it in the mod or default ? 12:35 tenplus1 shivajiva: they used this function to override default behaviour: https://github.com/PilzAdam/item_drop/blob/master/init.lua#L73 12:56 tenplus1 Protector Redo updated on git, removed unecessary globals toprotect from CSM 12:59 tenplus1 hi CWz 13:23 tenplus1 hi calcul0n 13:31 rubenwardy I have a question, not sure where to ask 13:31 rubenwardy What do I need to do to have content rating on CDB that follows the law? 13:31 rubenwardy Is it enough to have NSFW labels like Adult content (drugs) 13:31 tenplus1 how do you mean follows the law ??? 13:32 rubenwardy Or do I need to have a formal content rating thing 13:32 rubenwardy I doubt the latter 13:32 tenplus1 isnt that up to the mod maker ti include those 13:32 rubenwardy CDB will be liable if it allows children to see bad content 13:33 rubenwardy Well, idk 13:33 tenplus1 you could post an advisory to include things like that 13:33 rubenwardy I guess if in doubt, you shouldn't pretend to have an official rating 13:33 tenplus1 or just go through each mod yourself and add them after the fact, 13:34 rubenwardy So just labels 13:34 rubenwardy Yeah, it's fine for them to be self declared 13:34 rubenwardy https://content.minetest.net/packages/LorenzoVulcan/drug_wars/ 13:35 tenplus1 if you post a rule asking for declerations to be listed then it's up to author to include them 13:41 jas_ hi 13:41 tenplus1 hi jas 13:41 jas_ how's everyone? hi ten! 13:41 tenplus1 good ta, you ? 13:41 jas_ okie dokie 13:41 tenplus1 :P 13:42 jas_ i'm listening to this song called black snow by oneohtrix point never, i guess. it's pretty good 13:42 jas_ whatchu up to? 13:42 tenplus1 mod tinkering :P 13:42 jas_ ah. which one? 13:42 tenplus1 Protector Redo updated 13:42 jas_ oooh 13:43 jas_ i like that one (they're all good actually) 13:43 Jordach tenplus1: desktop reached system limits 13:43 jas_ i just reported on -dev about a change in sneak jump behavior between 0.4.17 and 5.0 13:43 tenplus1 many things are changing it seems :D 13:43 tenplus1 Jordach: how you mean ? 13:43 Jordach tenplus1: NVMe 2x2 PCIE drive added 13:43 jas_ i'm gonna play with my mod, change is good 13:43 tenplus1 also any minetest-mod devs wanna approve this pull: https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreblocks/pull/129 13:44 tenplus1 ooh nvm's... fast drives :D 13:44 tenplus1 how big ? 13:44 Jordach tenplus1: put it like this, i can boot a full size 1803 W10 Edu install in under 6 seconds 13:44 tenplus1 wb 13:44 Jordach and soon enough, that changes to one of those super high end drives found in Workstations 13:45 * tenplus1 has a Sandisk 120gb SSD Sata-II :D 13:45 Jordach at the 3000 MB read/write speed mark 13:45 tenplus1 ooooooooh, nice... how quickdoes your Os boot ? 13:45 Fixer BOOM 13:45 Jordach tenplus1: 6 seconds with full fat windows 10 13:45 jas_ MOOB 13:45 Fixer tetris for jas_ 13:45 tenplus1 that aint bad :D 8 seconds here with Xubuntu 13:46 jas_ puyo puyo for you? 13:46 Jordach i mean i could install macOS on that for even *higher* boot speeds 13:46 Jordach tenplus1: ironically my MBAir still boots in under 4 seconds 13:46 tenplus1 nice one :D 13:46 Jordach which is a year older than my desktop 13:46 tenplus1 ssd's are handy things indeed, and now they are up to 11gb 13:47 tenplus1 if you can afford it 13:47 Jordach tenplus1: i'm legit buying my friends 7th Gen Intel MacBook Pro 15" 13:47 Jordach this desktop will no longer recieve maintainence 13:47 tenplus1 lucky them, would rather have a normal pc laptop I can put linux on :D 13:47 Jordach tenplus1: since that person provides daily Minetest builds for macOS 13:48 Jordach i'm not bothered :D 13:48 tenplus1 ahhh, handy 13:48 Jordach i can literally use automator (appletalk on steroids) combined with shell commnds 13:48 Jordach every time i wake the machine up i can pull a new MT build into /Applications/ 13:49 tenplus1 just wish the ios build didnt need to pay to get onto app store or be jailbroken to install it 13:49 tenplus1 pfft 13:49 Jordach at least it's not full of malware 13:49 Jordach i even have to go around the crap in the play store 13:50 tenplus1 heh, that we dont know... someone may have paid the 99 dollars to get their app incvluded which mines for bitcoin or something :D 13:50 Jordach tenplus1: but iOS doesn't allow background threaded apps 13:50 Jordach IE, doesn't run when on the home screen 13:50 tenplus1 hrm 13:51 Jordach and they have an actual customer support service 13:51 * Jordach looks at Samsung 13:51 tenplus1 apple, they wanna control everything 13:52 Jordach at least that works almost all the time 13:52 Jordach like the LG V20s getting into booty loops because LG can't android upgrade properly 13:52 shivajiva yep like the same psu design flaw across 3 generations of laptop, way to go Apple :P 13:52 jas_ lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Dryx8YeWY 13:53 Jordach shivajiva: VRMs give everyone problems at that formfactor 13:53 ChimneySwift I have a hdd and my computer takes over 10 minutes to fully boot XDD 13:53 tenplus1 o.O sneak jumping in mid air... da hell 13:54 jas_ good times 13:54 tenplus1 hi chimney... 10 mins ? jesus... what Os ? 13:54 jas_ i am prolly gonna see where the change happened, maybe 13:54 shivajiva look, u under spec a cap in the psu and use it for years even though warranty suggests the component was under specified within the 1st year 13:54 ChimneySwift Windows 10 with a fair chunk of programs that start at boot 13:55 ChimneySwift 4500rpm hdd iirc 13:55 tenplus1 oof, I'd so clear that and install Xubuntu :D 13:55 * Jordach legit dry heaves 13:55 tenplus1 ahahaha 13:55 ChimneySwift yeah I've already tried that 13:56 ChimneySwift lol I haven't gotten xubuntu anywhere near comfortable to work with xD 13:56 ChimneySwift I kinda wish I had started with Linux :p 13:56 tenplus1 Xubuntu 18.04 is my daily driver for everything now :) and testing 18.10 on other desky 13:56 Jordach i'm entirely OS agnostic :D 13:56 shivajiva mint KDE all the way :P 13:56 tenplus1 mint is good :D 13:57 tenplus1 just rather bloaty 13:57 shivajiva doesn't matter on a modern cpu with an ssd tho :) 13:57 ChimneySwift lol. I've built up my entire workflow around windows, Linux does many things easier but different and that's my issue xD 13:57 Jordach tenplus1, ironically the RX 560M in the MBP is almost the same performance as my RX 480 13:58 tenplus1 it's what you're use to in the end :D 13:58 Jordach at least under my workload 14:00 * tenplus1 uses Acer Apire Net-top with 4gb mem, Nvidia Ion v2 mobile graphics and 120gb ssd :) (65 watt) 14:01 ChimneySwift whenever I start a new computer I start with Linux tho, my home media server is running Ubuntu. I don't access the OS on that much ofc though 14:01 tenplus1 ubuntu is good but gnome3 is kinda shitty, xubuntu is better imo 14:02 ChimneySwift I still haven't really been able to tell the difference between xubuntu and Ubuntu if I'm honest 14:02 ChimneySwift what are the major differences? I don't use them much 14:02 tenplus1 :) xubuntu (xfce) is a lot lighter and faster 14:02 ChimneySwift I see 14:02 tenplus1 ubuntu uses gnome3 desktop , xubuntu uses xfce 14:03 tenplus1 basically same base linux but different desktop manager... 14:04 ChimneySwift I see that would explain it, I knew the desktop was different but that's all I could tell mainly 14:04 shivajiva desktop being a major bottleneck to performance depending on the bells n whistles 14:04 ChimneySwift anyway I think imma go to bed now, just passed midnight later folks 14:04 tenplus1 a different desktop manager for different tastes :D I personally use IceWM which is so light that booting right into desky has me sitting at 98mb memory 14:04 tenplus1 nite dude 14:05 shivajiva gn CS 14:05 ChimneySwift o/ 14:10 tenplus1 why is the minetest menu using 6% of my cpu at all time ? is it THAT intensive ? 14:25 tenplus1 /join #minetest-dev 14:25 Jordach you made a mistake mate 14:26 tenplus1 how so ? 14:26 rubenwardy :D 14:26 Jordach you had a space 14:26 Jordach before the forward slash 14:26 tenplus1 oh yeah, thought you meant the 6% thing :D ehehehe 14:27 rud0lf /msg Jordach has cam? 14:27 rud0lf oops 14:27 rud0lf :p 14:27 tenplus1 lol 14:27 rubenwardy /msg NickServ identify hunter2 14:27 tenplus1 /kick myself 14:27 Jordach put the dead reddit memes in the trash 14:27 Jordach rubenwardy ^ 14:28 rubenwardy so sorry 14:32 rud0lf Purple IRC? 14:32 rud0lf pidgin? 14:32 tenplus1 heh yeah :D nice n simple and it works well 14:33 rud0lf i used pidgin as facebook messenger 14:33 Fuchs ewwww 14:33 rubenwardy pidgin sucks a bit 14:33 tenplus1 I used it for google chat, yahoo and irc,then they disabled yahoo... 14:33 rubenwardy I remember it not supporting IRC completely 14:33 tenplus1 hi Fuchs 14:33 rubenwardy can't remember what 14:33 * rubenwardy uses Quassel with Quassel-Core 14:33 Fuchs yes hi 14:33 rubenwardy the syncing is amazing 14:33 rubenwardy you can also hide channels but still be in them. Would be useful for you, tenplus1 ;P 14:33 tenplus1 never had an issue with irc on it 14:33 rubenwardy hey Fuchs 14:34 tenplus1 heh, can sit there invisible to the world and spring out saying hello to everyone 14:34 tenplus1 might annoy krock tho :D 14:36 tenplus1 hi fussel 14:36 IhrFussel Hello guys 14:47 tenplus1 wb 14:47 jas_ so... it's the lag 14:47 jas_ the difference now is i'm playing 'remotely' via my phone's hotspot 14:47 jas_ when i play on the lan, i cannot reproduce 14:47 tenplus1 were you on data before ? 14:48 jas_ yes 14:48 jas_ interesting 14:49 tenplus1 at work my data is better than the wifi 14:49 longerstaff13 tenplus1: heh same at college 14:49 tenplus1 hi longer 14:49 longerstaff13 ih 14:53 rubenwardy does anyone know any sfinv-depending mods that override a page? 14:53 rubenwardy for example, crafting 14:53 tenplus1 not offhand, no 14:54 rubenwardy I'm searching on github 14:54 tenplus1 the one's I know tend to just make a page and stick with it 14:55 tenplus1 and simple skins only overrides the page to mark position on list: https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/simple_skins/src/master/init.lua#L169 14:56 rubenwardy yeah that's fine 14:58 rubenwardy I'd like to change the API to this: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/903762ed45d5f1afb80ca245f38231ce 14:58 rubenwardy makes it more readable, and makes a mod I want to make much easier 14:58 Fixer SOOO DOOOOO IIIIIIII 14:58 rubenwardy (sfinv_plus - bigger inventory with multiple pages on one formspec) 14:59 rubenwardy the only thing that will break is whenever a mod depends on get() returning a string 14:59 rubenwardy for example, if it overrides a page like this: 15:00 rubenwardy get = function(self,player,context,...) 15:00 rubenwardy return old_func(self, player, context, ...) .. "label[0,0;Hello]" 15:00 rubenwardy end 15:00 tenplus1 change it and wait for the complaints... if no complaints then no-one uses it :) ehehehe 15:00 rubenwardy lol 15:02 tenplus1 instead of w= and h= just make it width and height... more readable 15:03 rubenwardy ah yes 15:04 * Shara wants bigger inventory :P 15:05 rubenwardy that 15:05 rubenwardy that's the aim of sfinv_plus 15:05 * tenplus1 is thinking of removing bags and using a single backpack of differnet sized 15:05 rubenwardy I added containers[] for sfinv 15:05 rubenwardy but it doesn't use them yet 15:06 rubenwardy the idea is that sfinv_plus will use container[] to move the page's formspec to the side. So you can have multiple on the same formspec 15:07 Shara tenplus1: about time. My shoulders are breaking from trying to figure out how to carry four at once :P (more seriously, I had this debate on a server recently, and lots of players like them being separate because they use them for sorting different types of item) 15:09 tenplus1 ehehe, on xanadu will stop crafting of bags and have a backpack slot next to inventoryitself 15:09 jas_ i tried an old client, it wasn't that. i removed any server performance settings, it wasn't that but it seemed slighter. it appears i can sneakjump air with dedicated_server_step = 0.2, but not with dedicated_server_step = 0.02 15:10 tenplus1 weird] 15:10 tenplus1 that aint good 15:10 jas_ funny :D 15:10 jas_ it's interesting, now i'm sleepy 15:10 jas_ nice to see y'all 15:15 Fixer https://youtu.be/9yBJLjLG0OQ 15:16 tenplus1 hrm 15:16 rubenwardy !title 15:16 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Minetest Mod Reivew: TechPack - YouTube 15:20 tenplus1 kinda wish robbie would use the bald nerd character and do mod reviews 15:21 Shara The CRL review was just too painful :( 15:22 tenplus1 ehehehe, not the most well-researched mod review 15:22 Shara That's the issue - I would love people reviewing my mods, but research is kind of needed 15:22 tenplus1 same :) bbq mod had a few supporting mods missing on it's review 16:07 Krock o/ tebn 16:07 Krock tenplus1: 16:07 tenplus1 hi krock :D 16:08 tenplus1 Krock: something for ya: https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreblocks/pull/129 16:08 Krock way I first fix the Android build? 16:09 tenplus1 :P 16:10 Krock tenplus1: Please add a comment on that the order of these two is important 16:11 Krock otherwise it will be forgotten in a week 16:11 tenplus1 the main description explains why it shoudl be moved around 16:11 tenplus1 if you try to craft a wood_tile_center it gives you a wood_tile since they are all classed as group:wood so picks the first recipe 16:12 Krock >he main description 16:12 Krock exactly what's forgotten after a week 16:12 Krock oh! You included it in the commit description 16:12 Krock fine then 16:13 Krock although a note in the code would help a bit 16:13 tenplus1 will enlarge it a bit 16:14 tenplus1 changed :D 16:57 tenplus1 o/ paramat 16:57 paramat tenplus1 i'm concerned about that coc too, a big mistake. the attitude of the 'contributor covenant' seems excessively politically correct and militant SJW 16:58 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/ukzmy.png 16:58 rubenwardy lol 16:58 tenplus1 they are kinda forcing something into linux that's not really needed 17:00 Krock rubenwardy: where are node timers and LBMs? 17:01 rubenwardy coming soon[tm] 17:01 rubenwardy hopefully I'll have some copies to sell at freenode live 17:01 tenplus1 the boo lives :D 17:01 tenplus1 *book 17:02 Shara You know I'll never manage to edit everything by then :P 17:02 paramat Jordach tenplus1 ChimneySwift to much OS talk, naughty 17:02 tenplus1 paramat: do you know why Minetest 0.4.17 uses 6% of cpu just sitting on the main menu (no clouds) ?? 17:03 Krock lazy formspecs I believe 17:03 tenplus1 dammit 17:03 Krock getting 4% for latest master and 0.4.17.1 17:03 tenplus1 also paramat, huckleberry bushes need to go in 17:04 tenplus1 default diet of just apples and bread suck, we need a dessert in there (huckleberry pie) 17:06 Krock meanwhile there are blocker issues 17:08 paramat tenplus no idea 17:09 paramat (about cpu) 17:10 tenplus1 wb calcul0n 17:12 rubenwardy Shara: lol 17:12 rubenwardy :'( 17:12 rubenwardy my best friend has offered 17:12 rubenwardy > fsf/member 17:12 Krock hi Calinou 17:13 tenplus1 wb 17:24 paramat !tell ChimneySwift too much OS talk today :) 17:24 MinetestBot paramat: I'll pass that on when ChimneySwift is around 17:38 longerstaff13 lol 17:38 paramat (long term conciously repeating offender) 18:09 Krock me rn https://i.imgur.com/Owekuqa.png 18:11 * Jordach slaps paramat 18:11 Jordach evening 18:12 Krock good evening Jordach 18:12 Jordach bit rude considering that was under 50 lines 18:12 Jordach and i'm home from work 18:14 paramat it wasn't under 50 lines 18:15 paramat lol that image :) 18:15 Jordach :+1: 18:15 paramat don't worry it probably won't happen 18:43 IhrFussel Can I safely replace a new version of sauth while the server is running? I mean is all important code in memory then and I can freely delete the old one? 18:44 IhrFussel The auth DB is in the world folder so it should be fine 18:44 sfan5 generally lua code is only read on startup and you can safely do anything you want with it afterwards 19:31 CWz The drama in the CoC with Linux is worrying 19:44 sofar nope, just ignore it 19:44 sofar definitey, do not worry about it 19:44 sofar maybe worry about my spelling capabilities, though 19:45 Fixer worry about minetest 21:03 Calinou rubenwardy: I've had that cloak since last October :) 21:03 Calinou I also have a LibrePlanet 2018 t-shirt which I got for free for volunteering at moderating LibrePlanet IRC channels (shipped from the US :D)