Time  Nick            Message
01:43 aerozoic        searched the logs and found the answer to my own question
01:44 aerozoic        it's a bug with 4.16 and you search the server log for "from creative inventory"
01:49 rubenwardy      oh jesus
01:49 rubenwardy      https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=22667
07:11 IcyDiamond      Why doesn't sfinv have a trash slot
07:20 lumberJ         recycle, reduce, reuse
07:21 VanessaE        nono.  reduce, reuse, recycle, in that order P
07:21 VanessaE        ;P
07:21 lumberJ         yeah, i was quoting the old commercials, but you are right, that way is better
07:22 VanessaE        I was quoting a commercial too :)
07:23 lumberJ         the one i'm thinking of was a jingle from the early nineties i think
07:23 VanessaE        I remember it.  bunch of cartoon/animated dinosaurs, and "close the loop".
07:24 IcyDiamond      cant really reuse unknown items
07:24 IcyDiamond      XD
07:24 VanessaE        the one I had in mind was a mashup of a Sylvester and Tweety cartoon
07:24 IcyDiamond      well i made a quick mod that adds a trash slot to the crafting page
07:24 lumberJ         Icy, i like to frame them
07:25 VanessaE        bah, use unified inventory :)
07:25 IcyDiamond      nah
07:25 IcyDiamond      i dont like it
07:25 VanessaE        even in lite mode?
07:26 lumberJ         i didn't remember the video at all, just the chorus
07:27 lumberJ         i think that is kind of the point of sfinv though, to be simple and support modularity
07:27 VanessaE        yep, that's the one.  this is the one I thought of, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrCHEHKDggw
07:27 lumberJ         personally a trash slot is useless to me, but it makes sense for mobile players I guess
07:28 lumberJ         ah yeah i remember seeing that too
07:30 IcyDiamond      https://termbin.lunasqu.ee/lbd8 quick & easy
07:34 IcyDiamond      next up i need a sort button on chests
07:35 IcyDiamond      XD
07:36 lumberJ         sort by glass, plastic and paper? :P
07:36 VanessaE        what about metal? ;)
07:37 lumberJ         that too
07:37 IcyDiamond      :D
07:40 VanessaE        http://i.imgur.com/fHdOcfk.png
07:41 VanessaE        ( https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/street_signs )
07:42 IcyDiamond      oh god what is your wm theme
07:42 VanessaE        Keramik
07:46 * TommyTreasure is adding street_signs tonight  :)  ty
07:46 VanessaE        yw
08:27 VanessaE        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20866
08:27 VanessaE        there, a proper forum topic for it.
08:29 VanessaE        and with that, I'm out.
08:31 tenplus1        hi folks
08:31 TommyTreasure   hi tenplus1, looks like my mob issue is under control now  :)
08:31 tenplus1        hi tommy :) what did ya change ?
08:32 TommyTreasure   i commented all pathfinder = 'non numeric' from all of my mob mods
08:33 TommyTreasure   and, i was able to enable 'remove_far_mobs = true', and not have severe lag
08:33 tenplus1        lol
08:33 tenplus1        glad it worked :D
08:34 TommyTreasure   can't speak for other admins, but it sure worked for my server
08:34 tenplus1        will have to think of a better mob spawning system and counter
08:35 TommyTreasure   i do have to say, that if the pathfinder warnings were suppressed, i wouldn't have taken the time to really look for a fix
08:36 TommyTreasure   may i suggest that rather than remove logging those, there be an option to allow them
08:36 tenplus1        lucky that minetest forces them to display :P
08:36 tenplus1        if a path couldnt be found it should return nil so the mod can handle the error instead
08:37 TommyTreasure   i also forgot to mention (yesterday) that i run 4.17.1.  and the issue i had was made worse after the update last week, and even worse with the latest release (mobs_redo)
08:38 tenplus1        it could be how 0.4.17 handles abm's and map updates, isnt it limited to player view and not behind them so much
08:38 TommyTreasure   but, i do have another question.  if knock_back isn't defined in the mod, it looks like it can be reduced with settingstype.txt, and what's the range.
08:39 TommyTreasure   i'm using the mp-xtraores weapons, and the knock_back on the hydras looks like 20 to 30 nodes.  lol
08:39 tenplus1        knockback is dealt with the {knockback=?} setting in the tool itself, and if it doesnt have one then the fleshy damage of the tool is used instead
08:40 TommyTreasure   ah, great to know.  i'm in the process of resetting all the tool/weapon/armor properties
08:41 tenplus1        in the tool:  damage_groups = {fleshy = 4, knockback = 7}
08:41 TommyTreasure   the xtraores stuff is insanely out of the realm of sense
08:41 tenplus1        and knockback setting in mob definition tells wether it can be punched back or not
08:42 TommyTreasure   i set my waterdragons to 1.  testing that setting now
08:42 TommyTreasure   will the tool def override the mob def?
08:42 tenplus1        1 ??  it's a true or false setting
08:43 tenplus1        true by default so knockback happens, false if you dont want mob to move (like iron golems)
08:43 TommyTreasure   knock_back = 1 in mob  def.  did i do that wrong?
08:44 tenplus1        knock_back = false, -- kb has no effect on mob (true by default)
08:44 TommyTreasure   hmmm, looks like another quick edit.  ty
08:45 TommyTreasure   fwiw, my pathfinder warnings went from 65K to 0 with the edits
08:45 tenplus1        maybe I should have made it numerical... 0 for none, 0.5 for half, 1.0 for full etc
08:45 TommyTreasure   both of those were over a 20 hour period
08:45 TommyTreasure   i was under the impression that setting was the amount of nodes for knock back
08:46 TommyTreasure   time to study the api.txt again
08:46 tenplus1        knockback works the same in mobs api and playerplus for players also :D
08:47 TommyTreasure   so, if i'm understanding correctly, the stronger the tool, the more knock back is inflicted on the victim  :)
08:47 TommyTreasure   tool - weapon
08:48 tenplus1        yeah
08:48 tenplus1        fleshy damage of 6 has knockback 6... unless you specify knockback in the tool instead :D
08:48 TommyTreasure   and if knock_back = false, then the victim stays put
08:48 tenplus1        mobs only
08:48 TommyTreasure   gotcha
08:49 tenplus1        but... in playerplus there's a priv you can grant a player to stop knockback effects :D
08:49 TommyTreasure   pvp isn't a main thing on my system, so the pvp button is all i need for now
08:50 tenplus1        it's funny when a monster gets you and hits you back into lava :D
08:50 TommyTreasure   pvp_button mod
08:50 tenplus1        no-one expects it
08:50 TommyTreasure   now, that i like
08:51 TommyTreasure   something like the way the dm knocks you into the stone
08:51 tenplus1        just wish player:set_velocity() was a thing so we could do it properly with effects
08:51 tenplus1        dm uses tnt:boom effects and that teleports you to simulate knockback
08:51 tenplus1        it's kinda borked
08:52 TommyTreasure   those things are over my head.  i'm just happy hacking away with my installed mods  :)
08:52 tenplus1        heh, it's fun to mod :D
08:53 TommyTreasure   if i wasn't the chief cook and bottle washer on mine, and keeping an eye on darklands all the time, i'd have more time to learn
08:53 tenplus1        we find time where we can :D
08:54 TommyTreasure   at least i've got a few players that let me know if and when they find a problem or discover an exploit
08:54 tenplus1        same, we give rewards on Xanadu if someone finds an issue
08:55 TommyTreasure   i need to see if my account is still valid there someday
08:55 tenplus1        should be
08:55 tenplus1        we only limit accounts that break the rules
08:55 TommyTreasure   with my luck, i'll spawn in the middle of some other player's wall
08:56 tenplus1        ahahaha
08:56 TommyTreasure   its been more than a year since i've logged in
08:59 tenplus1        added screenshot and description to bee's mod, works well
09:00 tenplus1        wb chimney
09:00 TommyTreasure   i've been working on making bees and bee_keeper work together.  aliases and stuff so honey_comb and honey are the same between them
09:00 ChimneySwift    ty tenplus1
09:02 TommyTreasure   i added bee_keeper so players could automate honey extraction
09:02 tenplus1        bee's has an industrial hive that can use pipeworks and extraction :D
09:03 TommyTreasure   i must have an old version
09:03 tenplus1        yup, I made a redo yesdterday :D    notabug.org/tenplus1/bees
09:03 TommyTreasure   oh sorry, i misread that
09:03 tenplus1        fixed some issues, added intllib support and protection checks
09:04 TommyTreasure   i was thinking mobs:bees, not bees:bees
09:04 TommyTreasure   mobs_animals, i think
09:04 tenplus1        ohh,lol... nah those just spawn around flowers and let you craft a beehive for honey if you catch enough
09:05 TommyTreasure   i know, i changed my recipe to require 9 bees, and raised their spawning rate to an outrageous setting
09:05 tenplus1        hahaha nice
09:05 tenplus1        I have them work for their honey :D lol
09:06 TommyTreasure   i did raise the stack limit to 30 though.  have to make it a little more worth their while to craft them
09:06 tenplus1        :P free food for the taking :)
09:07 TommyTreasure   i also took the bee texture, and colorized it to replace the queen bee.  looks better in inventory too
09:08 tenplus1        did you add a crown ? :P
09:10 TommyTreasure   that would have made it a king bee
09:10 tenplus1        lol, they both wear crowns... kings have the beards :D
09:11 TommyTreasure   ah, right you are.  there goes my knighthood
09:11 tenplus1        ehehe
09:11 TommyTreasure   knock_back = knave
09:11 tenplus1        ?
09:12 TommyTreasure   knave, much lower than a knight
09:12 tenplus1        ohh, lolz
09:13 TommyTreasure   next step down would be a eunuch
09:15 tenplus1        I wonder if 0.6 will have the character creator included :D
09:15 TommyTreasure   i haven't even tried 5 yet
09:16 tenplus1        it's nice being able to customize many features of a player :)
09:17 TommyTreasure   until they cover it all up with armor
09:17 TommyTreasure   maybe a left handed sam  :)
09:17 tenplus1        maybe have a custom glass armor :P
09:17 TommyTreasure   i'm actually working on something close to that
09:18 tenplus1        maybe a steel/glass mix that's just as strong but invisible armor
09:18 TommyTreasure   still in paper-based flow chart stage though
09:18 TommyTreasure   exactly what i'm trying.  transparent aluminum
09:18 tenplus1        ooh, not as strong as steel but fashionable :D
09:18 TommyTreasure   process cobble similar to the difficulty in uranium processing
09:19 TommyTreasure   x/alum was strong enough for kirk and spock to transport a whale from the past.  :)
09:20 tenplus1        ahhhh, very good point :) make it so number 1
09:21 TommyTreasure   i just keep coming up with weird ideas to use the useless resources found while mining
09:22 tenplus1        yeah, we need more uses for metals and ores
09:22 TommyTreasure   i'm not laying claim to that idea, so if someone picks up on the idea, that would be very cool
09:23 tenplus1        I still want silver and mithril included in default game but we need uses for them... of course silver can be made into coin for trading :) but mithril
09:23 TommyTreasure   with servers running digtron, a player can easily acquire way too many chests of compressed cobble.  even if stack_max was increased
09:24 tenplus1        you would need to add blastproof blocks made of triple compressed cobble so dm's cannot blow it up or tnt damage it :D
09:24 TommyTreasure   ah, i did make a use for it.  since the hazmat suit is no longer in the current 3d_armor, i added radiation protection to mithril armor
09:25 tenplus1        that's a good idea actually
09:26 TommyTreasure   simple edit.  armor_groups = {fleshy=20, radiation=20},
09:27 tenplus1        I think on Xanadu I lowered gravity when wearing mithril boots
09:27 tenplus1        so players can jump and fall a tad slower
09:27 TommyTreasure   i added that to each piece of the mithril armor group
09:28 TommyTreasure   i've got the xtraores armor, so no need to change gravity on the default ore armors
09:28 TommyTreasure   except, i did get rid of the slow-down with steel armor
09:29 TommyTreasure   with the amount of mobs in my game, i issue steel armor as initial_items
09:30 tenplus1        nuuuuuuu, our players start with nothing unless someone has put items inside the spawn chest :DDD it's survival of the fittest... ehehe
09:30 tenplus1        although to be fair they dont drop armor on death
09:31 TommyTreasure   tell that to a newplayer when they get attacked by a moon heron at spawn  :)
09:31 tenplus1        hahaha, nssm is really good but the models are huge...
09:32 tenplus1        xanadu has 1.5mb of textures/models/code to download and that's all
09:32 TommyTreasure   funny, the name of my server reflects that issue  :)
09:32 tenplus1        sounds too
09:32 TommyTreasure   if i told you the size of my media, i'd get expelled from -hub  :)
09:33 TommyTreasure   needless to say, most mobile devices crash on join
09:33 tenplus1        lol
09:34 tenplus1        when I had 2gb memory most of the servers crashed my minetest game simply on join
09:34 tenplus1        had to upgrade to 4gb to sort that
09:34 TommyTreasure   but then, i'm not into competition for rankings.  just a laid back game that (hopefull) is very difficult to progress
09:35 tenplus1        progression is a good thing in-game
09:36 TommyTreasure   it can still be done fairly easily with the experience player.  especially with digton installed.  that made mining so easy, i had to make the recipes for it much more expensive
10:04 tenplus1        o/
10:26 Fixer           \o
11:44 IhrFussel       Tools that don't exists anymore just become unknown items and have no functionality anymore...correct?
11:44 tenplus1        hi fussel
11:44 tenplus1        yeah they will become unknowns
11:45 IhrFussel       Okay good cause I had to redefine rainbow tools for them to be supported by enchantment tables...and it would be crazy if the players with the older definitions now could use them forever or something
11:46 IhrFussel       And hi tenplus1
11:46 tenplus1        so long as it has some sort of compatibility for the older tools players wont be too pissed
11:47 IhrFussel       So the item name and wear etc are still part of the inventory but they are unused then I guess
11:49 tenplus1        the metadata stored in the tool is still there, but it's capabilities are all stored in the register_tool part
13:53 tenplus1        wb ANAND
13:54 IhrFussel       Is MT coded that way? That you stand midair until the map around you loaded? Or is that caused by certain apps? I'm not sure if the people just have a very bad connection when they can't move/drop to the floor
13:55 tenplus1        you spawn in default position until chunk loads
13:55 * VanessaE      looks in
13:55 tenplus1        unless overridden with .conf setting
13:55 VanessaE        good morning
13:55 tenplus1        hi Vanessa
13:56 IhrFussel       Yes but I mean a player used a teleport pad and at the target destination they remained midair ~ 1 node above ground
13:56 VanessaE        sounds more like ordinary lag to me
13:56 tenplus1        that'll happen until chunk loads and foot level isnt above "ignore" node
13:56 VanessaE        plus that ^^
13:57 IhrFussel       So it's likely just a terrible connection? Isn't a map chunk for a few KBs in most cases? Weird
13:57 tenplus1        could just be connection speed and server load
13:58 tenplus1        did ya check out the bee's Vanessa
13:59 IhrFussel       Nah max_lag is 0.3 ...definitely not server issue
13:59 VanessaE        tenplus1: no?  I wasn't aware you'd started on it
13:59 tenplus1        https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/bees
13:59 tenplus1        could just be client lag then fussel
14:01 IhrFussel       Is a vector.distance() call heavy? I will potentially implement a loop that runs every few secs and checks 10-20 vector.distance()
14:01 tenplus1        to do what ?
14:02 IhrFussel       10-20 times per player per loop* ... I want to check if the player stands inside one of these zones
14:03 tenplus1        run a test mod with a timer and loop it 30 times to simulate 30 players :)
14:04 IhrFussel       Or is there a better way to check if the player is near a certain position?
14:04 tenplus1        this is how I do it in mobs redo and it's very fast: https://pastebin.com/xitd34hG
14:05 tenplus1        that's math.square btw
14:06 IhrFussel       vector.distance() uses something worse?
14:07 tenplus1        vector.distance calls math.hypot twice which is slower
14:08 tenplus1        and math.hypot calls math.abs math.min, math.max and math.sqrt
14:08 tenplus1        mines only uses math.square :D
14:08 VanessaE        tenplus1: I don't see anything of substance there?  (just two new commits consisting of comments and some image changes, but no code)
14:09 tenplus1        VanessaE: I tweaked all of the code, tidied some functions, added protection checks, intllib support, floating wild beehive checking
14:09 VanessaE        did you not push?
14:09 tenplus1        fixed particle effects which were dodgy in extractor
14:09 tenplus1        it's all there on my site
14:09 tenplus1        https://pastebin.com/xitd34hG <-- latest
14:09 tenplus1        oops
14:09 tenplus1        https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/bees <-- latest
14:09 tenplus1        v2.3
14:10 VanessaE        nope
14:10 tenplus1        https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/bees/commits/master
14:10 tenplus1        last 2 commits
14:10 VanessaE        notabug sucks.  it's not showing me the code changes.
14:11 tenplus1        *checking
14:11 VanessaE        "File diff suppressed because it is too large + 1173  - 798 init.lua"
14:11 tenplus1        heh, will be that
14:11 VanessaE        lemme clone it and look
14:11 tenplus1        https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/bees/src/master/init.lua
14:12 tenplus1        https://github.com/bas080/bees/blob/master/init.lua <-- oriignal
14:13 VanessaE        there we go. clone plus `git show <cid>`
14:13 tenplus1        all tested and works, will add listring support for formspecs and tidy those up at some point also
14:14 VanessaE        ok, I'll deploy it
14:14 VanessaE        I still don't like notabug :P
14:14 tenplus1        lol
14:15 tenplus1        until something better comes along it's my git of choice :D
14:15 VanessaE        gitlab or bust :)
14:17 tenplus1        gitlab is annoying to read and navigate
14:17 tenplus1        I really like how notabug looks and feels for me, simplicity is key
14:18 VanessaE        fair enough :)
14:18 tenplus1        the one wuzzy uses is far more annoying and gives me a headache
14:18 VanessaE        there, it's on my servers.  let's see what cheapie says about it ;)
14:19 VanessaE        which one does Mr. OCD use? :)
14:19 tenplus1        http://repo.or.cz/w/minetest_hudbars.git
14:19 VanessaE        oh G*d
14:19 VanessaE        dude, get some CSS.
14:19 tenplus1        yup, like andrey's code it makes my eyes bleed
14:20 VanessaE        plus no issue tracker.  screw that
14:20 IhrFussel       tenplus1, #lua says the math.sqrt() isn't needed for pure distance
14:21 tenplus1        vector.distance uses within the functions it uses, that's why I dont use it :D
14:21 tenplus1        the pastebin function I pastedworks faster and gives same answer :D
14:21 IhrFussel       Yes but you still use square() isn't that math.sqrt?
14:22 tenplus1        it uses it once only instead of the 6 other functions vector.distance uses
14:23 IhrFussel       But #lua tells me I can remove the square and just "return x * x + y * y + z * z"
14:23 tenplus1        give it a go and see if it returns same number
14:23 tenplus1        will test it here also :D
14:25 tenplus1        returns two totally different values... one actual one bogus
14:25 tenplus1        show me link to where lua tells u square isnt required ?
14:27 IhrFussel       Yeah looks like math.sqrt() is required... they said this 'also if all you need is to compare two vectors, like to detect collision or something, you don't need to take the sqrt'
14:27 tenplus1        heh
14:27 tenplus1        the one I use is the faster function
14:28 VanessaE        tenplus1: thanks for working on it :)
14:28 VanessaE        did you guys see my new mod?
14:29 tenplus1        will keep tinkering with it Vanessa, gotta redo formspecs yet
14:29 tenplus1        ooh what newmod ?
14:29 VanessaE        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20866
14:29 tenplus1        oh yeah,saw that earier :DDD looks very useful indeed
14:30 tenplus1        signs_lib needs some love, or even better, actual engine support for text facings
14:31 VanessaE        the street signs mod got most of the "love" that signs_lib needed.  I've been pondering continuing the rewrite and developing it into a new signs_lib replacement
14:31 tenplus1        so long as it's compatible with current signs, go for it :D
14:31 tenplus1        everyone uses them on Xanadu :D
14:32 VanessaE        heh... fork signs_lib, rewrite it into a new mod, continue rewriting it until it can replace what it was forked from
14:32 tenplus1        we use a custom version of signs_lib already :DDD
14:32 VanessaE        it would be compatible for sure, if I continue with it.
14:32 VanessaE        custom? to what end?
14:34 tenplus1        little tweaks n stuff, chars per line is 20 cause the default 30 is too small for some  players to read
14:34 tenplus1        new background for signs :D
14:35 tenplus1        removed sign posts completely, and no automatic updating of signs, punch to remove text and update incase of issues
14:35 VanessaE        ah
14:35 IhrFussel       tenplus1, your get_distance() seems to take 100ms with a loop of 10,000
14:35 tenplus1        oh, and removal of sheet metal recipes
14:35 tenplus1        kewl fussel :) do the same with vector.distance and lemmie know how long that takes :D
14:37 VanessaE        why remove signs-on-posts?
14:37 tenplus1        so many posts/fences available I wasnt gonna register a sign for them all, plus players like the colours so that adds to the mix :D
14:38 tenplus1        so I just removed them
14:38 VanessaE        understood.
14:39 tenplus1        :PP
14:40 IhrFussel       Your version is at least twice as fast
14:40 tenplus1        w00t!
14:40 IhrFussel       vector.distance() returns a float which is completely unnecessary for my case
14:41 IhrFussel       I need simple whole numbers
14:41 IhrFussel       So I'll use your function thanks
14:41 tenplus1        use math.floor or math.ceil to round it down or up
14:42 timdorohin      tenplus1: is there a way to make mobs model like in minecraft (from cubes description without using any ugly bloatware like blender)?
14:42 IhrFussel       I mean vector.distance() is too complex for my use case and it shows in the time difference
14:43 tenplus1        hi tim... yeah there's nodebox mobs in forum that use simple boxes and textures, and slimes are just a box
14:44 tenplus1        here's an exmaple of a nodebox cow: https://github.com/duane-r/nmobs/blob/master/cow.lua#L20
14:44 tenplus1        only thing is they dont animate
14:44 timdorohin      I will read about that... btw i will try to port open-source https://github.com/sehrgut/minecraft-smp-mocreatures
14:45 timdorohin      >they dont animate
14:45 tenplus1        you seen the mobs_mc mod ?
14:45 timdorohin      OH GOD, WHY?
14:45 tenplus1        https://github.com/maikerumine/mobs_mc <-- every minecraft mob for mobs redo :D
14:45 timdorohin      they really cant be animated?
14:45 tenplus1        nodeboxes and .obj cannot be animated, only .x and .b3d can and you need something like blender to make those
14:46 timdorohin      tenplus1: can nodeboxes be raplaced from lua code on the go?
14:47 timdorohin      *replaced
14:47 tenplus1        it's possible but very slow
14:47 tenplus1        you'd have to update nodebox coords, update base textures and collisionboxes etc
14:49 timdorohin      well, that is bad.
14:51 tenplus1        there's also cubic mobs for simplicity
14:54 VanessaE        tenplus1: oh btw, thanks for satisfying my OCD:  no more spaces for indenting in bees mod ;)
14:55 VanessaE        bas080 was horrible about that
14:55 tenplus1        eheheh I like spacing code out so it's readable :DDD
14:55 tenplus1        brb
14:56 VanessaE        I mean he used space to indent instead of tab, like a normal person :)
14:57 Fixer           this #overflow shit is annoying, can I somehow ban myself from entering it?
14:57 VanessaE        no idea
15:02 tenplus1        what #overflow shit ?
15:03 VanessaE        some join spam/flood guard thing
15:03 tenplus1        ohh, is thatthe thing that freenode keeps bringing up in a separate tab when you connect ?
15:05 VanessaE        I've only had it happen once
15:06 tenplus1        tbh I hate all of the popups that appear for cookies and privacy for websites and other apps, I just wanna look at the site
15:06 tenplus1        *shakes fist at EU*
15:06 tenplus1        and this CoC for linux is highly annoying as well
15:06 rubenwardy      Fixer: use a bouncer
15:07 tenplus1        hi ruben
15:07 rubenwardy      Connect with sasl
15:07 rubenwardy      Nothing  else you can really do
15:07 rubenwardy      Also, quassel-core is better than a bouncer
15:07 IcyDiamond      17:06 <@tenplus1> *shakes fist at EU*
15:07 IcyDiamond      indeed
15:08 tenplus1        hi icy
15:08 IcyDiamond      hi
15:08 VanessaE        tenplus1: CoC just gives an easy-out to push away toxic people, so meh.  those cookie notices are annoying tho
15:09 IcyDiamond      I highly dislike the EU to say the least
15:09 IcyDiamond      :P
15:09 tenplus1        problem is that the easy out means the people in question can take their code with them, leaving huge gaps in the kernel and other linux submissions... gpl means the code is still theirs to revoke
15:11 VanessaE        nah, that's what licenses are for.
15:12 VanessaE        you can't remove what you gave.
15:12 VanessaE        GPL does not grant the original coder any rights to take her/his code away from someone else once it's out there.
15:13 VanessaE        no open source license does
15:13 VanessaE        IcyDiamond: it's starting to make Brexit look reasonable, huh
15:14 tenplus1        hrm, from what's being said on youtube it's prolly scaremongering in that case :) thx Vanessa
15:14 VanessaE        no probably to it
15:14 VanessaE        100% fearmongering.
15:15 VanessaE        the people who hate CoC's are the ones who want to be able to do the shit those things forbid.  simple as that.  "MUH RIGHTS!" and so on.
15:15 VanessaE        (ignoring for the moment the people who would seek to over-enforce a CoC out of spite)
15:17 tenplus1        lol
15:18 IcyDiamond      VanessaE: yes.
15:18 IcyDiamond      i want an Estonxit next
15:18 IcyDiamond      xD
15:18 IcyDiamond      Or Exit, for short
15:18 IcyDiamond      :)
15:19 IcyDiamond      I'm considering either moving to Canada or Australia
15:19 tenplus1        canada sounds nice
15:19 IcyDiamond      Australia seems like a great option because colorful birds
15:19 IcyDiamond      XD
15:20 tenplus1        *shudder* australia
15:20 tenplus1        too many spiders
15:20 IcyDiamond      Lol
15:20 tenplus1        brb, making toastie :D
15:20 IcyDiamond      Thats all anyone ever says about Australia
15:20 IcyDiamond      "The spiders!"
15:21 VanessaE        the difference between Australia and the US: in the US, people want to kill you.  In Au, everything ELSE wants to kill you.
15:21 IcyDiamond      :D
15:21 IcyDiamond      US people: "Muh guns!", Au people: "muh spiders, mate"
15:21 VanessaE        heh
15:22 IcyDiamond      :)
15:24 tenplus1        they need an app like shazzam in australia so you can point it at spiders and it'll tell you if it's deadly or not
15:24 timdorohin      tenplus1: btw with current ML tech that cen be done pretty easily
15:26 tenplus1        :P
15:47 tenplus1        hi calcul0n
15:47 calcul0n        hello
16:25 tenplus1        o/ Krock
16:25 Krock           hi tenplus1
16:26 * VanessaE      gently slides a merge commit under Krock's chair ;)
16:27 tenplus1        lol
16:27 * Krock         panics
16:27 VanessaE        lol
16:28 * Krock         hides below a table and uses whatever is around him to build a defensive fortress
16:28 VanessaE        haha
16:28 * Krock         shoots with nyan cats at VanessaE to get the merge commits away
16:28 Krock           "thou shalt not merge commit"
16:29 Krock           Was again time for a mini-RPG here. Haven't done this for a long time :D
16:32 * Fixer         curses everyone and starts sandrawave
16:35 tenplus1        o.O ?
16:49 tenplus1        o/
16:51 Fixer           \o
17:18 IhrFussel       What does this mean? Attempt to call get_distance a number value
17:18 tenplus1        are you using something like:   local distance = get_distance(pos1, pos2)   ??
17:18 IhrFussel       I use it like this if get_distance(vpp,z1) < 30 or get_distance(vpp,z2) < 150 then
17:19 IhrFussel       Is that wrong?
17:20 tenplus1        should work fine, try storing it in a variable and checking that variable to see if it's any different
17:27 IhrFussel       Seems to work when I put it in a variable
17:27 IhrFussel       Really weird
17:28 tenplus1        :P
17:32 tenplus1        hi gary
17:32 garywhite       hi
17:46 * tenplus1      feels that the cake is a lie! but donuts are real :)
17:51 Shara           tenplus1: if they are real, why are they not here? :(
17:51 tenplus1        cause I ate 'em
17:51 tenplus1        :P
17:51 tenplus1        also hi
17:51 Shara           Then they "were" real...
17:51 Shara           Hi ten :P
17:51 tenplus1        only in spirit
17:54 IcyDiamond      hm, is there a way to detect when the player is continuously punching a node
17:54 IcyDiamond      ie not spamming mouse but holding it
17:54 IcyDiamond      on a node that doesnt have oddly_breakable_by_hand
17:54 IcyDiamond      on_punch only registers the initial punch
17:54 tenplus1        you could always checkfor player:get_player_controls().lmb
17:55 tenplus1        and start a counter when it's held down
17:55 IcyDiamond      from a node? how
17:55 tenplus1        start a minetest.after and cehck every 0.1 seconds to see if it's still pressed maybe
17:55 IcyDiamond      hmm
17:55 IcyDiamond      lets see
18:00 tenplus1        why ya checking for continuous press ?
18:01 IcyDiamond      for my grindstone
18:01 IcyDiamond      constantly punching it sucks
18:02 IcyDiamond      can i get player's pointed_thing somehow? if i move mouse off the node but keep LMB down, it will still advance with this method
18:02 IcyDiamond      xD
18:05 tenplus1        how about making the grindstone a function that makes a sound when in use, and on punch it runs the function once, then has 2x minetest.after's to run the function another 2 times spaced apart
18:06 tenplus1        so you hear click click click, it runs 3x times
18:06 VanessaE        I wish you could make a tool continuously/repeatedly call on_use so long as the button's down
18:08 tenplus1        how abotu a while loop that keeps going so long as lmb is active
18:09 tenplus1        local press = player:get_player_controls().lmb ; while press == true ; do something ; press = player:get_player_controls().lmb ; end
18:10 VanessaE        that wouldn't work on a multiplayer server.
18:11 tenplus1        it wont ?
18:13 IcyDiamond      well idk what to do
18:14 tenplus1        checking something
18:16 IhrFussel       Can the screwdriver work on mesh nodes? If so what paramtype2 do I need to define?
18:17 VanessaE        if you go into a loop like that, when does the server and other LUa get a chance to run?
18:17 Krock           tenplus1: you'd block the server by polling "press"
18:17 Krock           as in: forver
18:17 tenplus1        ah crap
18:17 VanessaE        IhrFussel: same as any node.
18:18 IcyDiamond      chili peppers are a great food to farm
18:18 IcyDiamond      XD
18:18 VanessaE        IhrFussel: paramtype2 = "facedir" -- or "wallmounted" or the color variants
18:20 tenplus1        icy, maybe the punch once and use minetest.after to do grinding functions 3x times will be easier
18:42 tenplus1        hi aerozoic
18:43 aerozoic        wazup tenplus1 !
18:43 tenplus1        meme watching :D
19:04 MinetestBot     Andrey01: Sep-24 20:41 UTC <tenplus1> this might help: https://pastebin.com/DM01sxXw
19:17 Andrey01        here is a question: can i convert userdata to string?
19:17 sfan5           no
19:17 tenplus1        o/ sfan
19:17 tenplus1        userdata contains so much information to convert to a simple string
19:18 VanessaE        depends on what the userdata represents.
19:18 VanessaE        maybe you can apply some method to get whatever you need out of it
19:20 Andrey01        i just try to serialize the userdata minetest.serialize(particles_def), particles_def contains userdata of a player
19:21 tenplus1        which parts of the userdata do you need to use ? player name ?
19:21 VanessaE        if you're trying to serialize a userdata object, you're going about it all wrogn.
19:21 VanessaE        wrong*
19:21 Andrey01        my code looks like so: playermeta:set_string("active_particlespawners["..particlespawner_id.."]", minetest.serialize(something), something is table that contains userdata
19:22 tenplus1        what do you use userdata for ???
19:24 Andrey01        it`s long to talk, i just need it
19:24 tenplus1        it would help in recommending solutions if we know what it's used for
19:25 sfan5           Andrey01: here's a list of things you can't do with userdata: serialize, print, convert to string, save inside metadata
19:26 Andrey01        ok, but can i convert it to table then?
19:26 Andrey01        and then minetest.serialize() converts it to string
19:27 sfan5           here's a list of things you can't do with userdata: serialize, print, convert to string, convert to table, convert to or from anything elses, ave inside metadata
19:29 rubenwardy      What userdata?
19:30 rubenwardy      Some include :to_table((
19:30 VanessaE        https://xkcd.com/859/
19:30 Andrey01        then i don`t know how to be in this case
19:30 tenplus1        :P
19:32 VanessaE        Andrey01: just tell us what needs to come OUT of this hypothetical string
19:32 VanessaE        what did you intend to do with the deserialized result?
19:37 Andrey01        VanessaE, i don`t understand much your statement, what do you mean "needs to come out of this hypothetical string"?
19:37 tenplus1        Andrey01: what are you using player data for ?? we need to know if you want help
19:38 VanessaE        Andrey01: if you serialize something, you're gonna have to deserialize it to get the original object -- not that you can do this with userdata.  what do you intend to DO?
19:38 VanessaE        WHY do you want to serialize it?
19:38 sfan5           this is called "xy problem" btw
19:39 Andrey01        particles_spawner_definition table of minetest.add_particlespawner() contains field "attached" with PlayerRef, and i need to serialize it to string
19:39 VanessaE        I give up.
19:40 sfan5           Andrey01: and why do you need to do that?
19:43 Andrey01        to upload it to playermeta data as i wrote above, as far as i know tables are not converted to string automatically when they are tried to upload there
19:43 tenplus1        *sigh*
19:44 Andrey01        if it would be number or string instead i would not need minetest.serialize()
19:44 sfan5           but what is the purpose of all this
19:49 Andrey01        my particlespawner API uses meta data of few reasons: my particlespawners based on standard particlespawners will be saved after restart and it also is used to remove, stop, continue it
19:50 sfan5           saving player attached particlespawners doesn't really work
19:50 sfan5           you could save the players' name
19:50 sfan5           then recreate them when the player joins again
19:50 Andrey01        i did it so!
19:53 tenplus1        are you showing particles above players head all the time?
19:53 Andrey01        when it creates particlespawner it derives certain id to it together with according table with data about it and to return the particlespawner after restart THIS particlespawner i need to define id and on the data it recreates it
19:54 sfan5           yes but you can't keep the player reference inside the data
19:54 sfan5           you need to replace that reference with the player name and undo it later
19:55 Andrey01        i need to replace it with the playername and how to be further?
19:56 sfan5           i don't know, you need to figure that out since you are designing a mod
20:00 tenplus1        andrey mentioned that the whole point of his mod was to display healing particles above the players head unless they are dead, but his mod is overkill just for that function
20:01 tenplus1        that's why I gave him a simpler option to tinker with instead: https://pastebin.com/DM01sxXw
20:02 tenplus1        but I still dont know why he wants this ?!?!
20:12 tenplus1        nite folks
20:15 IhrFussel       !tell Andrey01 You can get the player object of a player at any time from everywhere with minetest.get_player_by_name(playername) so just store the player name
20:15 MinetestBot     IhrFussel: I'll pass that on when Andrey01 is around
20:26 MinetestBot     Andrey01: Sep-25 20:15 UTC <IhrFussel> You can get the player object of a player at any time from everywhere with minetest.get_player_by_name(playername) so just store the player name
20:29 Andrey01        i can not curve chair back correctly (it bends from below) https://ufile.io/f988h
20:30 Andrey01        i intend to curve it exactly
22:04 Fixer           https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/925/966/8d2.gif
23:11 Fixer           exploring 7 year old mc world, has memes of its time in it
23:49 rud0lf          aerozoic: :)
23:50 aerozoic        wazup rud0lf !