Time  Nick           Message
00:11 shivajiva      teleporting when using a bed gives player laying to all the other clients but it appears to you as though you are standing, is that a known bug?
00:14 paramat        not known as far as i remember
00:27 shivajiva      https://ibb.co/kwKMBe
07:03 ChimneySwift   lol, I can't message on #minetest
08:36 IcyDiamond     ChimneySwift: it appears to be muted
08:36 IcyDiamond     Oh, spam bots attacked
08:40 IcyDiamond     Is it just me or does preserve_metadata not work on server
08:41 IcyDiamond     It works fine in singleplayer
08:41 IcyDiamond     so weird
08:43 IcyDiamond     I guess it's time to live debug..
08:45 IcyDiamond     Wait what, it sets the stack just fine but when it reaches the player's inventory, the meta is erased
08:45 IcyDiamond     Oh, I think it might be a drop_item bug
08:47 IcyDiamond     item_drop*, sorry
08:47 nerzhul        hi IcyDiamond
08:48 IcyDiamond     hey nerzhul
08:49 IcyDiamond     I think I need to get rid of item_drop then
08:49 ANAND          Are the values in the lua_api.txt definition tables section the defaults or just examples?
08:50 IcyDiamond     ANAND: like what?
08:50 ANAND          e.g. In object definition table, there's a line "pointable = true"
08:51 IcyDiamond     yes, that is the default
08:51 ANAND          What I'd like to know is whether all the values of the fields are defaults or just examples?
08:51 ANAND          Ah, thanks
08:51 IcyDiamond     the comment below the value kind of implies it
08:52 IcyDiamond     but yes, they are the defaults
08:52 ANAND          Wanted to confirm :)
08:52 IcyDiamond     unless the comment below says "Defaults to" and its something else
08:53 ANAND          Also, what is the 'weight' field in an entity definition used for?
08:53 ANAND          oops, object properties
08:55 IcyDiamond     I have no idea
08:57 IcyDiamond     I can't see it being used anywhere in the engine either
08:57 IcyDiamond     How interesting
08:57 ANAND          yea
09:30 ChimneySwift   yeah it is, I think they set the wrong flag?
10:11 IcyDiamond     ChimneySwift: _
10:11 IcyDiamond     ?*
10:48 ChimneySwift   I was replying to a rly old message :p
10:48 ChimneySwift   about #minetest being muted
12:17 timdorohin     As usual, i have a question (and as usual it may be dumb)
12:17 timdorohin     Is there any way to trigger function only once on block when chunk with that block is loaded first time after server start
12:19 timdorohin     i know about ABM, but how to implement one-shot ABM?
12:21 timdorohin     Well, i had said that i'm dumb -_- (found LBM in lua_api.txt)
14:29 tenplus1       hi folks
14:31 ThomasMonroe   o/
14:32 tenplus1       hi thomas :P
14:32 timdorohin     tenplus1: o/
14:32 tenplus1       hi tim, hey benrob with the tardis boat :P
14:33 benrob0329     Hey tenplus1 :)
15:04 Andrey01       Hi everyone. I just want to know on what popular web-sites i could try to advertise minetest.
15:05 Andrey01       only not reddit, there advertising is useless
15:09 Mr_Pardison    tenplus1: I've got some screenshots to share with you for a problem we are having with the spawn routine of sea dragons. They create some interesting (and sometimes) deadly lag when shooting.
15:09 Mr_Pardison    https://pasteboard.co/HEMdqaI.png
15:09 Mr_Pardison    https://pasteboard.co/HEMdEYM.png
15:11 tenplus1       hi tumeni
15:12 tumeninodes    Hey ten
15:12 tenplus1       mister: strange issue, spawning 1 water dragon should only add the main head and 2 additional
15:12 tumeninodes    ... so don't shoot them
15:12 tumeninodes    !next
15:12 MinetestBot    Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:12 tumeninodes    :D
15:12 tenplus1       unless someone has messed with spawning numbers
15:13 Mr_Pardison    in the first screenshot that's at least 30 of them.
15:13 Mr_Pardison    and there is a point to shooting them from afar. you get what they drop, if they happen to drop something.
15:13 timdorohin     Mr_Pardison: Dmobs?
15:14 tenplus1       will give it a peek when I finish stairs tweaking
15:14 tumeninodes    most things just drop poop when you shoot them but..., whatever floats your boat I guess
15:15 tumeninodes    afk for a bit
15:15 ThomasMonroe   lol
15:15 Mr_Pardison    timdorohin: yeah but it's a custom edit not publicly available.
15:15 Mr_Pardison    these drop valuable items used in getting other items.
15:17 Andrey01       does anybody know most popular web-sites where it`s possible to advertise any publications? (except reddit)
15:19 rubenwardy     Sigh
15:19 rubenwardy     What's your budget?
15:20 tenplus1       Stairs Redo updated - HOlding sneak while placing will copy rotation from node pointed at to the newly placed stair
15:21 tenplus1       andrey, try minds.com
15:21 Shara          tenplus1: why MTG doesn't do this...
15:21 Andrey01       thanks, tenplus
15:21 * Shara        quietly lights a match and sets MTG stairs mod on fire
15:21 tenplus1       I think mtg relies on where you point on a face as to how it's placed, which is a pain in the ass really
15:22 tenplus1       I've tried to make stairs redo easier to use, and also support for alpha textures
15:22 Shara          I've heard a lot of people complain about the placement issue
15:23 Shara          If I point at a wall, I want the thing to be against the wall... otherwise I'd point at the ground
15:23 timdorohin     Mr_Pardison: well, on my server Dmobs causes lags spikes to about a second or two, so i disabled this mod...
15:23 tenplus1       in default if you point at the wall and place a slab it's still flat.... in Redo it'll place against the wall upright
15:24 Shara          timdorohin: dmobs is one of those mods you should just take models from and otherwise totally rewrite (in my opinion anyway)
15:25 Mr_Pardison    well, almost time for me to get hopping over to my room and do some serious reading.
15:25 timdorohin     Shara: the only good models in dmobs are dragons
15:25 Shara          there were some others as well
15:25 Shara          fox model was nice, for example
15:26 Mr_Pardison    l8rs peeps.
15:26 Shara          I lifted th elightning dragon, fox and a few others
15:26 Shara          the*
15:26 tenplus1       to be fair the models are quite small, just needs some tweaking to run smoother
15:32 tenplus1       o/ Jordach
15:33 Jordach        beep
15:36 timdorohin     well, i like the blocky models of minecraft mo'creatures mod much more, but it is closed-source, and i can't into 3d modelling...
15:54 tenplus1       Stairs Redo updated again, added some more checks when sneak placing :D
15:54 tenplus1       wb bennob
16:03 Fixer          Tenplus1 Redo updated again, added some more commits when merging commits :D
16:04 tenplus1       commit-ception
16:04 tenplus1       forgot that when I override default placement I had to check for protection :P whoopsie
16:05 tenplus1       working well though, lets you copy rotation from one stair to another just by using sneak :D great for roofs
16:20 tenplus1       o//
16:40 Andrey01       tenplus1, what does it mean when i post on minds.com: "Only supporters who wire you over 3 Tokens/month will see this post."
16:41 Andrey01       i selected 3 tokens but what is it for?
16:41 tenplus1       your post will appear on the NEW posts and relies on others to repost it for it to live on
16:42 tenplus1       it's how users keep posts alive on the front page, but it will still exist on your profile
16:45 Andrey01       how to understand my post will appear on new posts?
16:46 rubenwardy     please don't imply that you're associated with Minetest or your post is official
16:46 tenplus1       ???
16:48 tenplus1       what exactly are you posting andrey ???
16:48 Andrey01       i advertise minetest there
16:49 Andrey01       https://www.minds.com/Andrey01;editToggle=true
16:49 tenplus1       there;s aklready a Minetest videos channel on minds.com
16:49 tenplus1       https://www.minds.com/MinetestVideos
16:49 Andrey01       and by the way the screenshots are not displayed, only links
16:50 tenplus1       well I cant see anything unless I wire you 3 tokens, and I ain't doing that
16:51 Mr_Pardison    so, a site that requires you to wire tokens to someone else in order to view something? I'd rather go with duckduckgo if that's the case/
16:51 tenplus1       itdoesnt work like that mister, I think andrey selected something by mistake
16:51 tenplus1       I can post something and anyone can view it wihtout having to pay a token
16:51 Mr_Pardison    I'd rather go with duckduckgo.
16:52 Andrey01       ah, does tokens mean payment?
16:53 tenplus1       yes, it's a way to keep a post alive and on the front page if it's something worthwhile
16:53 Andrey01       can i fix it to do it free?
16:53 tenplus1       delete post and re-add without tokens
16:54 Andrey01       i don`t know how to delete my post
16:55 tenplus1       o/ paramat
16:56 Andrey01       how to delete?
16:56 tenplus1       down arrow in corner of post, click and select delete
16:59 Andrey01       is this? http://www.imageup.ru/img103/3173187/screenshot_20180920_195819.jpg
16:59 tenplus1       top right, look for down arrow
17:02 Andrey01       https://www.minds.com/Andrey01;editToggle=true
17:02 Andrey01       now without tokens
17:03 Andrey01       the images don`t display :\
17:05 tenplus1       did you just paste the link or use the [img[ tags
17:07 rubenwardy     Andrey01: minetest is not a game
17:07 Andrey01_      so [img]https://dahoo.fr/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/minetest-logo-1024x565.jpg[/img] ? or how?
17:08 timdorohin     tenplus1: i have an idea about how to implement fast networks for future technic_redo)
17:08 Andrey01_      rubenwardy, why???
17:08 tenplus1       nice one tim :) do tell ?
17:09 Andrey01_      tenplus, did i correctly write above?
17:11 timdorohin     tenplus1: yesterday i played with graphs using love2d engine and measured speed on luajit and got this idea. On my PC (celeron n3050) hundred graphs of hundred nodes each can be traversed under 50 milliseconds even in naive way
17:11 tenplus1       depending on load and mods in use :)
17:12 timdorohin     tenplus1: no, i only said about graph algorithm, not about interfacing it with minetest
17:12 tenplus1       ahh
17:12 Andrey01_      did i correctly use [img]<screenshot>[/img] or how do i need to use it?
17:12 tenplus1       getting or placing a node shouldnt be slow since it's all loaded into memory anyhoo
17:16 timdorohin     tenplus1: the fun thing with that graph idea is that we calculate and traverse network of any size only once at start (when lbm kicks in) and after modifying it, but chunks can be offloaded while network operates and this will not cause any issues, all machines will work.
17:16 tenplus1       <fingers crossed> :)  look forward to seeing code
17:16 timdorohin     *will continue work
17:17 rubenwardy     timdorohin: I was planning something like this
17:17 rubenwardy     as a separate process
17:17 rubenwardy     but it's a bit painful to do
17:17 timdorohin     rubenwardy: i was first to say this! it's my idea now :D
17:17 rubenwardy     and you wouldn't be able to do anything that modifies blocks (ie: pistons)
17:17 rubenwardy     I've also said about it in the channel
17:17 tenplus1       lol, fight!!!
17:18 rubenwardy     but yeah, I decided it was rather too painful
17:18 rubenwardy     so I'd love to see someone attempt it
17:18 timdorohin     rubenwardy: technic didn't have pistons
17:18 rubenwardy     so please do
17:18 Krock          hi tenplus1
17:18 rubenwardy     lol
17:18 tenplus1       hey Krock
17:18 Krock          mesecons has pistons
17:18 Krock          technic has node breaker and builder
17:19 timdorohin     Krock: yea, but i'm talking about re-implementing technic networks
17:19 rubenwardy     my use for this would be for things like pipeworks style sorting and also logic (ie: a computer network)
17:19 rubenwardy     not really played technic
17:19 rubenwardy     I should
17:19 rubenwardy     hmmm
17:19 tenplus1       technic looks good but damn is it fiddly to play with
17:20 rubenwardy     I'd love to see progress on this though
17:20 tenplus1       we really do need a good machine mod
17:20 tenplus1       elepower is fun, basic_machines is easy, mesecons is good but slow
17:20 timdorohin     rubenwardy: pipeworks need updates too... we need to actually transport liquid source nodes - otherwise it's hard to implement steampunk techs)))
17:21 Mr_Pardison    rubenwardy: if you combine technic, pieworks, mesecons and more_mesecons, it's a lot of fun.
17:21 rubenwardy     I meant item pipe works
17:21 rubenwardy     if you have tanks, you can do fluid pipe works
17:21 rubenwardy     but not a havester
17:21 rubenwardy     which breaks things a little
17:21 rubenwardy     although
17:21 rubenwardy     without finite water, havesters sucjh
17:22 Mr_Pardison    I've got a pumping station on a server that is set up to provide water for a farm.
17:22 tenplus1       could implement a generic API for machines that could handle power, heat, fluids
17:22 timdorohin     tenplus1: well, this is how all popular minecraft industrial mods work now
17:23 tenplus1       :)
17:26 timdorohin     maybe we just need to copy results of their years of painful work :)
17:27 tenplus1       we learn through others :D
17:27 Mr_Pardison    tru tru
17:29 tenplus1       didnt Black Mirror make an episode on this ?!?!
17:30 sfan5          probably
17:30 tenplus1       o/ sfan
17:31 timdorohin     btw, is there any significant performance drop when running server with profiling always on?
17:31 tenplus1       never use it tbh
17:31 tenplus1       lol
17:55 rubenwardy     ew flash
17:55 rubenwardy     death to flash!
17:55 rubenwardy     still better than weblets though
17:55 tenplus1       *shudder*
17:56 xerox123       heh
17:57 rubenwardy     "mod" is a silly name
17:57 rubenwardy     when included in a game
17:57 rubenwardy     can I lie and call them modules
17:57 Jordach        rubenwardy: mod is short for module :)
17:57 Jordach        shit
17:57 Jordach        we're the same person, rubenwardy
17:57 Jordach        cue the usual persons conspiracy theorems
17:58 xerox123       listening to 99% invisible
17:58 calcul0n       could be a short for moderately well coded stuff
17:58 tenplus1       heh
17:59 calcul0n       sometimes :)
18:01 Shara          Jordach: we are all the same person. Every single one of us here.
18:01 Shara          Well, you know, apart from that one.
18:01 Jordach        everyone on IRC are bots, except you
18:02 Jordach        beep boop meep
18:02 * tenplus1     hands out conspiracy donuts
18:02 Shara          nom nom
18:03 * Mr_Pardison  munches on a conspiracy muffin
18:03 tenplus1       mmm, bitter sweet truth flavour... e.g. salted caramel :D
18:03 Shara          yesssss
18:04 Shara          I can work with that
18:04 tenplus1       eheheh
18:04 * timdorohin   puts on a foil cap
18:04 Mr_Pardison    Can you work with chocolate muffins?
18:05 tenplus1       I like Linus cause he IS hard on developers and makes sure no crap happens to the kernel
18:05 timdorohin     Jordach: [off] SJW is worse than nazis sometimes
18:06 tenplus1       hrm, I just read something related... lemmie find...
18:09 tenplus1       hi ssieb
18:10 ssieb          hi
18:23 tenplus1       hrm... cant find link now
18:24 tenplus1       hi gary
18:24 garywhite      hi
18:25 rubenwardy     The Contributor Covenant is disgusting tbf
18:25 rubenwardy     mainly because of its author
18:26 tenplus1       never read that one ruben
18:28 tenplus1       lol
18:29 rubenwardy     CoC have a use in that they can keep SJWs away
18:29 rubenwardy     not seen that yet though
18:29 rubenwardy     :D
18:31 rubenwardy     https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct
18:31 tenplus1       nice n simples
18:34 rubenwardy     More seriously, having a friendly community makes things more fun
18:34 tenplus1       yeah, I like the minetest community for that reason :D
18:34 rubenwardy     So dealing with toxic people consistently is a good idea
18:35 rubenwardy     And also having a statement of expectations/rules
18:44 Fixer          we need code of conduct
18:45 Fixer          1) paramat does all the work as usual
18:45 Fixer          2) nobody else is
18:45 Fixer          3) progress
18:45 tenplus1       lol
18:45 Fixer          rubenwardy: are you going to #live thing?
18:45 rubenwardy     Yes
18:46 Fixer          rubenwardy: anything interesting planned?
18:46 rubenwardy     More merchandise
18:46 sofar          he's selling purple hair dye
18:46 tenplus1       o.O
18:46 rubenwardy     Hopefully might even bring my book
18:46 rubenwardy     In the real
18:46 rubenwardy     Yeah, for the sjw movement
18:47 Fixer          please recruit some people to develope the minetest
18:47 Fixer          jt2 closed? sad
18:52 Fixer          btw
18:52 Fixer          i was playing on -- server, and guess it? rogue admin destroyes server. ??? Teenagers hosts servers ends up with disasters
18:52 tenplus1       would be nice if luajit used multiple cores when running code
18:53 Fixer          they don't even do backups
18:53 Fixer          Hometown had loss of world as well, lackily thanks to local saves it was revived
18:54 Fixer          he had a backup, but chain of events ended up badly
18:54 tenplus1       lol, rogue admin... we dont even give real privs to admin on Xanadu just incase :D
19:00 Fixer          my writing is so bad
19:01 tenplus1       new keyboard ?
19:01 Fixer          just bad english
19:02 tenplus1       heh, so long as you're understood it's all good
19:02 tenplus1       wb
19:02 timdorohin     tenplus1: you can implement your own threads model if you like to
19:03 timdorohin     tenplus1: you can look at https://github.com/torch/threads
19:04 timdorohin     but this is very, very ugly hack
19:04 tenplus1       from what I've read the luajit threads still use a single core
19:04 timdorohin     tenplus1: there isn't any luajit threadl
19:05 timdorohin     coroutines is not threads
19:05 tenplus1       what I was hoping for is a version of luajit that did all the work using multiple cores on a cpu and ran the code more effectively :D
19:05 tenplus1       so we didnt need to do things like threads or ehatever
19:06 ssieb          magic! :-P
19:06 timdorohin     tenplus1: this will never happens 'cause this is not luajit fault at all
19:06 tenplus1       *wishful thinking*
19:07 ssieb          that threads library does real threads
19:07 timdorohin     tenplus1: minetest engine need to support multiple lua threads on it's own
19:07 tenplus1       but you have to install the threads library tho
19:08 timdorohin     ssieb: yes, but it's hack around.
19:08 timdorohin     becouse our luajit isn't standalone, it is integrated into mt engine
19:16 timdorohin     ssieb: and you really didn't want to know what happens when you try to send 300x300x300 voxelmanip to spawned thread
19:17 timdorohin     ssieb: (because objects transferred through serialization/de-serialization)
19:23 ssieb          timdorohin: that's a good point
19:43 paramat        our coc is 'be nice' which is fine for me. i'm wary of coc's because it's just common sense and coc's don't stop bad behaviour
19:43 tenplus1       common sense is a superpower these days it seems :P
19:45 Jordach        you mean uncommon sense
19:45 Jordach        :P
19:45 tenplus1       heh
19:46 tenplus1       common sense and common curtesy is something that's slowly being lost from generation to generation
19:46 Shara          I'm usually happy to get any sense out of people at all
19:46 Jordach        until either i spoil you or ruben at wetherspoons that is
19:46 Jordach        then neither might make sense :P
19:47 Shara          Hehe, looking forward to it :P
19:48 tenplus1       fajitas and sweet potato fries all round :P
19:48 tenplus1       wetherspoons :D
19:49 Jordach        Shara: i've gone and booked a cottage in the countryside around bristol
19:50 calcul0n       hmm tenplus1> common sense and common curtesy is something that's slowly being lost from generation to generation
19:50 calcul0n       iirc it's something Aristotle was already saying :)
19:51 tenplus1       smart guy :D
19:51 calcul0n       the thing is it's not worse today, just that people had no internet in the past
19:51 calcul0n       so the jerks were less visible :)
19:52 tenplus1       and less able to communicate with one another and form groups
19:52 calcul0n       yep
19:53 Calinou        on the other hand, some places in the Internet do their job well at keeping abusive people in a corner :P
19:53 tenplus1       :)
19:55 tenplus1       hired
20:01 tenplus1       nite folks o///
20:03 tumeninodes    Shara: fay - oh - dale ..... punk
20:03 tumeninodes    :D
20:03 Shara          :D
20:03 Shara          I had to, I'm sorry!
20:03 tumeninodes    ya ya
20:04 Shara          (f...ail...dale?)
20:04 tumeninodes    Would love to hear some comments on those names
20:04 tumeninodes    wow..., Shara's a comedian today.... :P
20:05 tumeninodes    took me 3 attempts to spell comedian..., just so you know
20:06 tumeninodes    my Gaelic is rusty... 0_0
20:07 tumeninodes    sfan5's teleporter is acting up again
20:11 * rdococ       teleports
20:15 tumeninodes    hmmm, seems I may be wrong about the word faodail. Don't we have anyone who speaks a bit of Scottish Gaelic around here?
20:23 tumeninodes    We could rename MTG to rikki :D
20:26 tumeninodes    https://en.bab.la/dictionary/finnish-english/rikki option 2 on the list will do
20:29 Fixer          please, OpenVoxel
20:29 Fixer          no more finnish words
20:30 Fixer          name should be extremaly rememberaeble
20:32 tumeninodes    .... b o r i n g
20:32 tumeninodes    :D
20:32 ThomasMonroe   what about Japanese words?
20:33 ThomasMonroe   Burikko means Block
20:33 VanessaE       what?  are we doing THIS again?
20:33 ThomasMonroe   xD
20:33 paramat        finnish words for MTG name is my preference. after all 'mese' and 'oerkki' are finnish derived
20:33 tumeninodes    Kowareta
20:33 VanessaE       paramat: ok, rename it back to mesetint :P
20:34 tumeninodes    Vanessa, it is on the todo for 5.0.0
20:34 VanessaE       wat
20:34 paramat        for example cube-land becomes 'kuutiomaata' (not a serious suggestion)
20:34 paramat        it's not
20:35 Fixer          nobody will remember that, I"m deadly serious
20:35 ThomasMonroe   well tbh you'd remove the double letters
20:35 ThomasMonroe   xD
20:35 ThomasMonroe   Kutiomata
20:35 paramat        better than 'librecraft'
20:35 Fixer          OpenCraft
20:35 paramat        lol
20:35 timdorohin     ah, stupid questions again: can same node have different textures (based on meta?)
20:35 VanessaE       no
20:35 tumeninodes    remember, the shorter it is..., the less typing when coding ; )
20:35 ThomasMonroe   BlockSmith?
20:36 paramat        i won't allow any obvious name
20:36 Fixer          and that is bad
20:36 paramat        no it's good
20:36 VanessaE       ThomasMonroe: BlockSmith ain't so bad..
20:36 ThomasMonroe   it's taken unfortuately -_-
20:36 VanessaE       NodeSmith? :)
20:36 ThomasMonroe   just getting your gears turning ;)
20:37 tumeninodes    Punchy
20:37 ThomasMonroe   is..that..even a word tumeninodes?
20:37 VanessaE       yeah, it id
20:37 VanessaE       is
20:38 VanessaE       it mean's "a bit off in the head"
20:38 VanessaE       loopy, drunk
20:38 ThomasMonroe   It just..idk sounds weird in this context xD
20:38 timdorohin     i.e. can i make block that can change it's texture to mimic other block without registering N different nodes?
20:38 Fixer          NodeNode
20:38 Fixer          VoxelVoxel
20:38 VanessaE       timdorohin: no
20:38 VanessaE       timdorohin: one node, one set of max 6 textures
20:40 VanessaE       timdorohin: I propsed an idea a while back to use the upper few bits as an index into a texture list, though, similar in principle to hardware coloring.
20:40 VanessaE       er, the upper few bits of param2 as...
20:41 VanessaE       my idea was rejected, no apparent practical use :-/
20:41 timdorohin     VanessaE: :p
20:41 timdorohin     VanessaE: as usual, great ideas are rejected
20:42 * tumeninodes  was rejected once
20:42 tumeninodes    ... once
20:42 VanessaE       one could even extend my idea to be a table of tables instead of a table of strings. each entry being max 6 items, they being for each of the node's 6 sides.
20:44 ThomasMonroe   That's what I get confused about..people have great ideas, but noone except for them see the benifits xD
20:45 tumeninodes    that's exactly how "options" was created
20:45 ThomasMonroe   ikr
20:46 ThomasMonroe   I mean people, given tools, *will* find ways to use them.
20:46 VanessaE       true enough.
20:46 paramat        it's actually usually much better to just use extra nodes instead of fancy complex engine features. multiple nodes just 'seems' messy at first, actually, it's usually the best way
20:46 tumeninodes    ... or hurt themselves
20:46 ThomasMonroe   tumeninodes, lol true, but that's still a use though
20:46 tumeninodes    ha
20:47 VanessaE       oh, speaking of tools:  <brag>  https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/simple_streetlights </brag>  (yeah, brag for all of 108 lines  ;) )
20:48 VanessaE       paramat: the problem is, we only have 32768 possible node IDs.
20:48 tumeninodes    true though, if a game engine is made too complex, it becomes less flexible
20:48 VanessaE       and Dreambuilder's already burned through half of that
20:48 tumeninodes    for a second Vanessa, I thought you were about to call me a tool :D
20:48 VanessaE       if not for hardware coloring, I think DB would *just* exceed the limit.
20:49 VanessaE       tumeninodes: well, if the shoe fits ;)
20:49 ThomasMonroe   Well, multitude of features does not equal complexity.
20:49 tumeninodes    har har.
20:49 ThomasMonroe   if complexity is to be avoided, generalize the idea.
20:50 tumeninodes    features can easily become, limitations
20:50 ThomasMonroe   xD I about wrote genderalize.
20:50 tumeninodes    fascist
20:50 rdococ         what would it mean to genderalize something?
20:51 ThomasMonroe   I have no idea
20:51 tumeninodes    "all men are stupid" <----- like that
20:51 tumeninodes    :P
20:52 ThomasMonroe   assign one out of the 83+ gender categories to a particular item or situation
20:52 ThomasMonroe   ^ possible definition
20:52 rdococ         83+ gender categories?
20:52 VanessaE       troll.......
20:52 rdococ         I know, but I don't usually get along with people that use "hurr durr 63 genders!!!" as a joke
20:53 ThomasMonroe   https://apath.org/63-genders/ *63* excuse me
20:53 tumeninodes    I find just letting other be what they be, be the best way to be
20:53 tumeninodes    ; )
20:53 ThomasMonroe   same xD
20:53 tumeninodes    ok, refocus
20:53 * ThomasMonroe focuses
20:53 ThomasMonroe   wait..
20:54 ThomasMonroe   on what?
20:54 ThomasMonroe   :P
20:54 tumeninodes    on topic
20:54 ThomasMonroe   oh yeah, you mean VE calling you a tool..sure I could focus on that...I think
20:55 VanessaE       I was joking :)
20:55 ThomasMonroe   lol ik :P
20:55 rdococ         how fast does tumeninodes mine blocks?
20:55 tumeninodes    Vanessa, does gitlab support screenies? Would be nice to see some visuals
20:55 ThomasMonroe   enough to have tu meni nodes
20:56 tumeninodes    what the hell just happened? 0_o
20:56 VanessaE       tumeninodes: no idea, but here: http://i.imgur.com/2CiNPY4.png
20:56 * tumeninodes  downloads simple_streetlights
20:57 rdococ         tu meni nodes spoil the mapblock
20:57 ThomasMonroe   tu meni nodes lag my computer x
20:57 ThomasMonroe   xD*
20:58 tumeninodes    I know where you all live.... just sayin
20:58 tumeninodes    :D
20:58 VanessaE       tumeninodes: right click as if to place the tool item and it spawns a street lamp as pictured, after first checking if there's room to build it, and permission to do so, and if in survival mode, if there's enough materials in your inv.
20:58 rdococ         the real question is, are they tomarto nodes or tomaytoe nodes?
20:59 tumeninodes    ohhhhh, that's pretty cool
20:59 tumeninodes    afk brb (I have to go cry) xD
20:59 VanessaE       tumeninodes: you will need ilights at least, for the lights themselves, and gloopblocks for the steel fence postss (else, you can use default wood)
21:00 VanessaE       or homedecor if you want brass and wrought iron poles.
21:00 tumeninodes    awww, why so much depends? wait, is this part of the modpack?
21:01 VanessaE       why so many: because default light stones are fugly :P  and no one mod provides all the pieces.  i
21:01 VanessaE       it'll be in the next Dreambuilder build, whenever that is :P
21:01 tumeninodes    gotcha
21:01 paramat        lol 'only 32768' yeah =)
21:02 VanessaE       paramat: "only" applies when "just register more nodes" is the argument :P
21:02 tumeninodes    ok, brb
21:03 VanessaE       paramat: now, if you guys would stop with the "but mah map size" argument and just go to u32 node ID's, the argument would be moot :P
21:04 Jordach        to be totally honest
21:04 VanessaE       (or "but muh net bandwidth", whichever you choose :P )
21:04 Jordach        we need to target a uh
21:04 Jordach        laptop / desktop from a time period from like 2011-13
21:04 Shara          VanessaE: but mah map size!
21:04 Shara          :P
21:05 paramat        anyway Vanessa, that road network screenshot you posted, is it all hand-built?
21:05 VanessaE       Jordach: which has 500+ GB storage typically
21:05 Jordach        VanessaE: MacBook Air is a decent example of a low powered laptop
21:05 paramat        the big network across a landscape
21:05 Jordach        then again, VE doesn't own Cities Skylines so MT has to do
21:05 VanessaE       paramat: yep, all but the two light poles in the extreme distance, right (those and the ones beyond, out of view, were built with the above-mentioned simple streetlights mod)
21:06 VanessaE       or wait, which road network pic?
21:07 paramat        erm
21:07 VanessaE       (because my last image was just one intersection :) )
21:07 Jordach        this one?
21:07 Jordach        http://i.imgur.com/A9r0kpQ.png
21:08 paramat        http://i.imgur.com/ER3uq6U.png
21:08 Jordach        but still, it's 2018 VanessaE and Comic Sans is almost outlawed by the entire internet
21:08 VanessaE       paramat: ah.  yes, except for the circular platform left of center, all hand built in that image.
21:08 paramat        because i assumed that was partly auto-created by a mod
21:08 paramat        wow
21:08 Jordach        paramat: not everything is mod made :D
21:09 paramat        i like to automate everything, lazy
21:09 VanessaE       Jordach's image was only posted in my channel, but most of it, too is hand-built, except for about half the street lamps.
21:12 VanessaE       paramat: if you care to look around, that grid (a pre-planned city still under construction, to be used as a new spawn point) is on my "Creative Building" server (daconceptss.com 30008).
21:13 VanessaE       Jordach: I'll continue to use Comic Sans for as long as MS TTF Fonts are still in Debian :P
21:13 Jordach        REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
21:15 Fixer          nooooo
21:19 VanessaE       yesssssssssss
21:25 * timdorohin   make technic forcefield remove water nodes
21:25 * timdorohin   accidentally blows up nearby reactor
21:25 timdorohin     Well, as usual XD
21:25 VanessaE       heh
21:31 tumeninodes    I prefer to hand build. Makes everything feel much more satisfying when it is finished
21:32 VanessaE       I made the streetlights mod because building THOSE by hand is just tedious.
21:32 tumeninodes    I have not built anything in quite a while though..., because I get far too hung up on wanting the perfect landscape
21:33 tumeninodes    I was thinking about making my own lighting mod use prebuilt fixtures as well, for just the reason you mention
21:34 VanessaE       I guess I should add a couple of "default stuff only" street lamps also..
21:35 tumeninodes    I understand your method, using deps but..., on the other end, some do not like to have to use 2 other mods, just to use one aspect of another
21:36 tumeninodes    I, myself, would not want to have to use ilights, and possibly another, just to be able to have these streetlights
21:36 tumeninodes    it's one of those catch 22 situations,
21:37 tumeninodes    because it also makes no sense to make repeated nodes & textures in another mod, it just adds confusion and wasted space
21:38 sofar          VanessaE: https://github.com/minetest-mods/inspector/issues/new
21:38 VanessaE       sofar: ah, thanks.  I'll post there shortly
21:44 VanessaE       sofar: issue submitted.  apologies if I seem a little "short", I was just trying to be quick :P
21:51 sofar          I love short
21:58 timdorohin     Is there is a way to remove node metadata (for memory saving, maybe?)
21:59 sofar          set_node() again
21:59 sofar          or override the node meta with an empty table
22:01 timdorohin     sofar: thanks, will use second method
22:07 rubenwardy     minetest.get_meta(pos):from_table({})
22:18 VanessaE       tumeninodes: there.  git pull, please.
22:44 sofar          paramat: HA, that's funny
22:53 sofar          rdococ: [off] I don't know what you just pasted, but all I saw was [ c o n t e n t   b l o c k e d ]
22:56 Jordach        this game for minetest is blocked under the grounds of article 13
22:59 tumeninodes    VanessaE: thank you :)
22:59 VanessaE       yw
23:00 rdococ         sofar: [content blocked]
23:00 tumeninodes    o....m.....g!!!!!! guyssssss,
23:00 tumeninodes    "Blocker"
23:00 tumeninodes    that is the new name to replace MTG
23:01 sofar          hahahaha
23:07 BillyS         YaY
23:07 VanessaE       for i in ipairs(users) do th="th"  if i == 1 then th="st" elseif i == 2 then th="nd" elseif i == 3 then th="rd" end print ("For the "..i..th.." time, "..users[i].." says yay!") end
23:07 BillyS         print("Oops, sorry")
23:52 tumeninodes    :P