Time Nick Message 00:23 * Megaf silently waves 00:24 Megaf !server Megaf 00:24 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17.1 / minetest | Ping: 13ms 00:24 Megaf It's alive! 00:34 timdorohin Megaf: hi 12:26 IcyDiamond Is it possible to make an ore generate exclusively next to a node underground, like lava sources, but not inside it 12:33 IcyDiamond maybe i could do it with lbms 13:52 rubenwardy https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CA+55aFy+Hv9O5citAawS+mVZO+ywCKd9NQ2wxUmGsz9ZJzqgJQ@mail.gmail.com/ 13:52 rubenwardy Email from Linus regarding the maintainer summit mistake 13:53 rubenwardy "I am not an emotionally empathetic kind of person and that probably doesn't come as a big surprise to anybody." 13:53 rubenwardy omg 13:54 rubenwardy he's apologised for his attacks 13:57 rubenwardy he's also on hiatus 14:01 timdorohin rubenwardy: rip linux( will move to OpenBSD now( 14:02 timdorohin SJW:1 Linus:0 14:04 rubenwardy ....no 14:04 VanessaE GAH! 14:04 VanessaE I hate this "SJW" shit 14:04 rubenwardy nothing SJW about this 14:05 VanessaE always used by people who can't stand change-for-the-better.... 14:05 rubenwardy SJW is a white girl with purple hair who can't even program complaining about the use of master/slave in code 14:06 VanessaE yeah but I see it being applied to *everyone* who seeks change in something 14:07 VanessaE however, 14:08 VanessaE Motherboard says the person who started that IS in fact a programmer, for Red Hat. 14:09 VanessaE (at least in Python which is where I first heard of it) 14:10 nerzhul what is SJW ? 14:10 VanessaE social justice warrior 14:11 VanessaE a bullshit term created by someone who doesn't like change 14:11 rubenwardy social justice warriors do suck though 14:11 nerzhul okay 14:11 nerzhul ty 14:12 rubenwardy the extreme of them take offense on behalf of other people who aren't really offended 14:12 rubenwardy neo-feminist and SJW? That's a powerful mix 14:12 rubenwardy This is a dangerous topic 14:13 VanessaE "The term's negative use became mainstream due to the 2014 Gamergate controversy," 14:13 VanessaE "emerging as the favoured term of Gamergate proponents to describe their ideological opponents.[1] " 14:14 rubenwardy to this day, I still don't know what gamergate is 14:14 VanessaE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy 14:14 VanessaE in short, a major sexism and harassment controversy 14:17 rubenwardy heh 14:17 VanessaE when that broke, suddenly everyone who had a problem with the sexism that arises from a men-centric industry (don't argue, you know very well that gaming is) became a SJW - us vs. them 14:17 VanessaE and thus the SJW shitstorm was born. 14:17 rubenwardy I hate gaming and gamers anyway 14:17 rubenwardy O_O 14:18 VanessaE ...says the person who is one of the most prolific contributors to a gaming community :) 14:18 rubenwardy oh sheiz 14:20 VanessaE personally, most of the overt stuff -- like busty in-game NPCs -- doesn't bug me. 14:22 VanessaE on the other hand, if a modern game of some kind plays a woman off as some helpless waif, whether some kind of damsel-in-distress, or as a lead character, THAT I have a problem with 14:23 VanessaE (old games that aren't kept alive, who cares - that's in the past and the past is where any criticism of them belongs) 14:26 VanessaE of course that goes double for the reality surrounding the game - the community and coders. 14:27 VanessaE you see, THAT is what feminism is supposed to be - justice and equality between genders where possible, no more, no less. 14:29 rubenwardy That's traditional feminism, yeah 14:29 timdorohin VanessaE: welp, there is some thing called "genre conventions", i.e. i can't imagine mario without princess-in-distress 14:29 rubenwardy I agree with that 14:30 VanessaE timdorohin: yeah, that fits in with my "past" remark. 14:31 VanessaE now if they wanted to let Peach "grow up" into a strong character, they could easily do so. Let Toad be the person-in-distress :P 14:34 rubenwardy sounds like an idea for a remix 14:35 VanessaE or even Yoshi for that matter 14:36 VanessaE (given how little stress he can take in the games) 14:40 Jordach VanessaE: wasn't that kinda the plot of the Peach game on DS 14:40 Jordach i can't remember the name of the top of me head 14:43 VanessaE no idea. 14:43 VanessaE I'm not familiar with most of the Mario franchise 14:43 VanessaE just SMB on the old NES, and SM World on the Wii. 14:44 VanessaE point being, these haters-of-change like to get all up in arms, when the actual change would be so minor as to fade into the noise if not for those haters. 14:45 timdorohin games was, well, the last strong bastion of sexism, it's obvious that when you're cornered you will fight back with all your strength. 14:45 VanessaE but because in their mind the thing being changed is somehow fundamental, they go ballistic and start calling everyone SJW, feminazi, etc. 14:46 VanessaE timdorohin: sure, except that aside from the raw level of strength, women are no less capable of a good battle then men. 14:47 VanessaE (and some female body builders would disagree with that exception, too :P ) 14:48 VanessaE if I pick up a BFG 10000, I'm pretty sure I can lay waste to my surroundings just as thoroughly as Arnold Schwartzenegger could in his heyday :) 14:49 Jordach VanessaE: >BFG10k 14:50 Jordach i see you've not seen Doom: Eternal's trailer 14:50 VanessaE biggest game gun I could think of :P 14:53 timdorohin The main problem is the methods of SJW, they try to oppress "sexist" gamedev instead of compete with it using own, same or better quality games 14:53 * timdorohin still have butthurt after ME:A 14:54 VanessaE timdorohin: oppress how? got a cite? 14:54 VanessaE (I'd almost bet it didn't start off that way) 14:58 timdorohin In any war only the results matters, not the reasons 14:58 VanessaE I still want to know. 15:00 VanessaE I'm guessing someone told this dev that he's being an asshole toward some undeserving group, he refused to change or apologize, and it snowballed from there. 15:01 VanessaE if that's the case, yeah, let him join the dinosaurs./ 15:06 timdorohin VanessaE: welp, my Engrish strikes again, i meant game developing in general, not in person. Just saw some shitstorms in mass-media about sjw vs game/studio 15:07 VanessaE ah, well the same applies. 15:10 VanessaE the world has changed. those who won't clean up their act need to go away. 15:11 VanessaE hell, if even Linus "fuck you, nVidia" Torvalds sees it as a valid problem, how can you argue? 15:12 VanessaE "Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebt to Gabby Johnson for stating what needed to be said. I am particulary glad that these lovely children are here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, it expressed the courage little seen in this day and age. " 15:12 VanessaE :) 15:38 Sokomine ah. saw that news article now. is it even a gender specific thing? sounds more like rough talk in general. males may feel insulted the same way 15:39 VanessaE ah, she lives 15:40 Sokomine and: the goal ought to be that males and females and whatever are really treated equally, without regard to the gender. except where such things matter (i.e. when visiting a doctor) 15:40 Sokomine partly :-) 15:40 VanessaE in Linus' case, his own rough talk got out of hand and he realizes his fuckup. 15:40 Sokomine ah. that's a good thing. hopefully he'll find a better way 16:32 Fixer rubenwardy: python also renames that slave word... Coinsidence? DON"T THINK SOOOo 16:33 rubenwardy help 16:33 rubenwardy I need a font 16:34 Fixer ｗｈａｔ　ｋｉｎｄ　ｏｆ　ｆｏｎｔ？ 16:35 rubenwardy I'm going to be publishing the Minetest modding book, so a font for its print form 16:35 VanessaE Liberation Sans Mono 16:35 VanessaE :) 16:35 rubenwardy maybe 16:36 rubenwardy a serif font is probably better, I'm not sure 16:36 Fixer rubenwardy: literally a book to hold in hand? 16:36 rubenwardy yes 16:36 Fixer try googling about that, mt-f is bad place for this, imo 16:37 VanessaE rubenwardy: Century Schoolbook 16:37 VanessaE I always liked that one. 16:37 VanessaE but for G*d sakes, NOT TIMES [NEW] ROMAN! 16:37 rubenwardy lool 16:37 Fixer also, did someone said "fuck you, nVidia"? Because, Fuck You! Nvidia, and ATI, and miners, and other tulip nuts 16:37 Fixer bring back good prices 16:38 VanessaE Fixer: serious miners don't use GPUs :P 16:38 Fixer 1 year later... still waiting for proper prices to buy a gpu 16:40 Fixer rubenwardy: is not publisher knows the best font for you? 16:40 VanessaE woof. R9 280x costs more now than when I bought mine O_o 16:41 VanessaE ($280) 16:41 Fixer VanessaE: R9 280 is like oooooooold (in hipsters words), why it costs so much? 16:41 VanessaE fuck if I know, it's not even good at mining Etherium, let alone other crypto 16:42 VanessaE so it's really only good for its original use, as a proper graphics card. 16:44 Fixer VanessaE: strange, card from 2014... they are still not out of stock? 16:44 Fixer damn ATI needs to go back to _gaming_ market 16:44 VanessaE what can I say, it's a good GPU but there are better ones. lots of new old stock 16:45 VanessaE and tthere were quite a few rebrands like XFX 16:46 Fixer sad, back to the topic 16:57 Fixer #serversidePlayerMovement PR 17:18 IcyDiamond my server is back up 17:18 IcyDiamond !server elepower 17:18 MinetestBot IcyDiamond: Elepower Playground Server (5.0.0) | 195.201.143.173:30001 | Clients: 2/15, 0/2 | Version: 5.0.0-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 11ms 17:19 IcyDiamond and the double hearts bug still hasnt been fixed 17:19 IcyDiamond dammit 17:20 Krock IcyDiamond: PRs are still pending 17:21 Krock it's the client which does this btw 17:21 IcyDiamond thought so 17:22 Krock the code is legacy now anyway so it can be removed without any side-effects 17:27 IcyDiamond whats the 0/2 mean in the !server response 17:31 xerox123 IcyDiamond: average of 0 clients, peak of 2 17:34 IcyDiamond ah okay cool 17:34 IcyDiamond how could I query a server's status 17:35 IcyDiamond oh no 17:39 VanessaE cleaned up. 17:40 tumeninodes Thank you, and hi Vanessa 17:40 VanessaE yw, and hi. :) 17:40 IcyDiamond does minetest server have something like minecraft does where it listens on a port that you can query 17:41 VanessaE not precisely, IcyDiamond but you can use luasocket for external comms 17:44 longerstaff13 ih 18:20 IcyDiamond fsr one of my crafting recipes doesnt work 18:20 IcyDiamond but it shows up properly in craft guide 18:21 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-09-17-21:21:05.png 18:22 IcyDiamond im so confused 18:23 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-09-17-21:23:19.png just doesnt output anything 18:27 Krock press the button to copy it into the crafting field 18:27 IcyDiamond apparently cobble is not in group:cobble despite it showing up properly there 18:27 IcyDiamond interesting 18:34 Andrey01 hi, i`ve started to advertise minetest on Reddit, only i can nothing post there of spamming problem, do i need to gain certain amount of posts to be able to d oit? 18:45 tumeninodes Andrey01 that seems a question better asked at Reddit 18:47 Andrey01 to moderators? 18:47 * Sokomine throws the cobble away because it is cobble 18:51 tumeninodes possibly https://www.reddithelp.com/ ? 18:53 tumeninodes Sokomine, no likes these cobble 18:55 Sokomine yes. poor cobble! still...hmmm...*throwing away cobble* 18:56 Krock aagh.. merge commits in pipeworks again 18:56 Krock *cries* 18:56 tumeninodes ... it wasn't me :D 19:05 IcyDiamond mining in caves is scary with mobs_monster 19:05 IcyDiamond these guys just sneak up on me and scare the living hell out of me 19:07 Krock can confirm 19:07 Krock DMs can at least be heard easily when they emit these fire balls 19:07 Sokomine IcyDiamond: dms are pretty annoying in that regard. you may start out with a nice smooth cave...and then they start appearing and destroy the floor, ceiling and walls with their fire 19:08 IcyDiamond yep 19:08 IcyDiamond just as you guys said that one spawned in front of me 19:08 IcyDiamond god damn it 19:08 Sokomine he wanted to be eliminated quickly. large caves are only good for dm hunting... 19:09 IcyDiamond You died. 19:09 IcyDiamond oh well 19:09 IcyDiamond he hits hard dammit 19:10 IcyDiamond tenplus1 y u do dis 19:11 IcyDiamond stone sword is not good enough 19:15 IcyDiamond I absolutely love the caves in this game 19:15 VanessaE dammit, missed 19:15 VanessaE sorry Krock :) 19:15 IcyDiamond they're so.. sexy 19:15 IcyDiamond XD 19:15 IcyDiamond smoooth 19:16 IcyDiamond big 19:16 IcyDiamond ok i might be going too far now 19:16 VanessaE heh 19:16 tumeninodes ok..., stop..., this is getting weird 19:17 IcyDiamond im so glad i still consider my mod "alpha" because im finding so many things i need to change 19:17 IcyDiamond already done 3 hotfix commits 19:17 IcyDiamond lel 19:17 IcyDiamond havent really playtested it 'till now 19:17 tumeninodes I was searching for some motivation to get some work done today...., so I began to meditate..., and fell asleep 19:18 IcyDiamond :D 19:18 IcyDiamond if anyone wants to play some 5.0.0-dev, join meh, please, im lonely 19:18 IcyDiamond !server elepower 19:18 MinetestBot IcyDiamond: Elepower Playground Server (5.0.0) | 195.201.143.173:30001 | Clients: 1/15, 0/1 | Version: 5.0.0-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 11ms 19:19 IcyDiamond my anxiety tells me to stop plugging my stuff but my loneliness tells me do go on 19:22 tumeninodes loneliness is an illusion 19:22 Shara loneliness is 5.0 servers before 5.0 is released 19:23 tumeninodes haha 19:23 IcyDiamond but 5.0 is fuunnn 19:23 tumeninodes that's bliss Shara..., not loneliness 19:23 IcyDiamond it's so much better than .4.17 19:23 IcyDiamond despite the odd bug here and there.. 19:24 IcyDiamond i went as far as to create auto compile scripts 19:26 IcyDiamond well i guess i'll go to bed instead 19:48 VanessaE sofar: *poke* 19:57 sofar ? 19:57 VanessaE sofar: got a few feature requests for the node inspector. 19:58 VanessaE but you've closed it to new issues :( 19:58 sofar oh 19:58 sofar you can make pull requests :D 19:58 VanessaE no. :) 19:59 sofar you don't want to, perhaps, but you can always make pull requests in github 19:59 VanessaE but if you could fix this, https://imgur.com/a/Z9JXU2K and make it so that the inspector won't reveal private meta unless the wielder has sufficient privs or is the node's owner, that'd cover it. 20:00 sofar mebbe 20:00 sofar I'll need to get to it later, busy few days ahead 20:00 VanessaE ok.