Time  Nick         Message
12:07 tenplus1     Hi folks
12:09 tenplus1     Lucky Blocks updated to 0.9 - new api features, added new blocks :)
12:09 BakerPrime   'Morning TenPlus1
12:09 tenplus1     hi baker
12:10 tenplus1     nick reminds me of transformers :)  should be out fighting BagelTron
12:11 ANAND        lol :)
12:12 tenplus1     hi fussel
12:14 tenplus1     hi timdorohin
12:14 timdorohin   hi tenplus1
12:14 tenplus1     could one of our lovely admins give timdorohin permanent voice plz
12:16 VanessaE     so just to spam everyone, http://i.imgur.com/Pu6cYRK.png ~~ http://i.imgur.com/ctxJ3ei.png  ~~ http://i.imgur.com/hy6HtTD.png ~~ http://i.imgur.com/bYYWQz8.png
12:16 tenplus1     ahahaha kewl, is this your new mod ?
12:16 VanessaE     yup
12:16 VanessaE     still WIP but almost done
12:16 tenplus1     sweeeet, first chess and now gambling :D w00t
12:17 timdorohin   i had some fun too: https://i.imgur.com/U6gz0A5.png
12:17 tenplus1     ooh, interesting landscape :D
12:17 VanessaE     nice
12:17 timdorohin   yea, mgv7
12:19 tenplus1     ooh, this looks very interesting: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20770&hilit=mapgen+mod#p330283
12:19 tenplus1     they even use my ambience api for sounds :D nice
12:20 timdorohin   btw i have strange experience - running same mods&minetest builds on 2 servers - one with i7 2630qm and second with 2x Opteron 280, with 8G ram on both
12:20 tenplus1     what happened ?
12:21 timdorohin   i7 that is TWICE more powerful then 2x opterons lagged much more O_O
12:21 tenplus1     what gfx are both running ?
12:22 timdorohin   ehm... gfx? graphics on server O_O
12:22 tenplus1     oh thought u meant clients for a sec...my bad :D
12:22 tenplus1     do both use ssd's ?
12:22 tenplus1     also are they running windows ?
12:23 timdorohin   i7 with SSD Opterons with raid-1 10k 60G Hitachi HDD
12:23 timdorohin   Both running ArchLinux with custom kernel
12:26 tenplus1     are they both on samenetwork ?
12:27 timdorohin   nope, i7 plugged directly in my gigabit switch, when opterons are in other country :D
12:29 tenplus1     strange, how fast is your actual ISP
12:29 tenplus1     down and up speeds
12:30 timdorohin   around 50Mbit up/down
12:30 tenplus1     you sure it's 50mb up as well ?  I have 50 down, 3 up
12:30 tenplus1     up speed on personal server can affect when you connect yourself
12:30 ChimneySwift doesn't the i7 have higher per-core performance?
12:31 ChimneySwift only mapgen can scale to multiple cores
12:31 timdorohin   ehm, my isp weren't involved when i tested i7 server cuz it in my local network)
12:32 tenplus1     interesting
12:35 timdorohin   so the strange thing is that i7 server in my local network was more laggy than my friend's hp blade server in Lituania (he have 1 Gbit connection)
12:36 timdorohin   ChimneySwift: one interesting moment - i7 has 2GHz freq, when Opteron - 2.4GHz
12:39 timdorohin   but it is nominal frequencies, i7 boosting to 2.4-2.6 almost all time...
12:40 timdorohin   well, strange things can happen sometimes
12:42 timdorohin   ChimneySwift: mobs ai working in main server thread? Really?
12:48 ANAND        timdorohin: See here for details about the threads Minetest uses
12:48 ANAND        https://dev.minetest.net/Engine_structure#Threads
12:49 timdorohin   but i still can't explain how simple server from 2005 can be better for minetest than top 'gaming' notebook from 2012...
12:49 tenplus1     notebook ?
12:49 ANAND        Stand-alone server has `main`, `ServerThread` (Everything except for mapgen), and `EmergeThread` (Mapgen / Voxel operations)
12:50 timdorohin   ANAND: well, this is the reason why we need mobs in a main engine - multithreading support...
12:50 ANAND        I'd really love to see better multithreading too
12:51 tenplus1     would be nice
12:51 ANAND        Since only the mapgen operations is currently offloaded to a separate thread
12:51 timdorohin   tenplus1: yea, hp gaming laptop (with broken keyboard after 5 years of using it as a mobile graphic workstation)
12:52 timdorohin   with i7 2630qm
12:52 ANAND        Ideally, UI should go to a separate thread
12:53 ANAND        Since UI becomes unresponsive when there are other CPU-heavy operations active
12:53 VanessaE     tenplus1: so here's the first taste of the new mod:  https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/minislots  WIP, don't expect fair spin results, but it works okay :)
12:55 tenplus1     :PPP
13:12 ChimneySwift yeah, Lua is single threaded :p your server will be pretty fast if all you want to do is run mapgen all day lol. you can sell num_emerge_threads in minetest.conf to add more emerge threads
13:13 tenplus1     set num_emerge_threads to total cores minus 1....
13:13 VanessaE     which doesn't do shit if you have Lua hooked in the mapgen via some mod.
13:14 tenplus1     yeh, but means that if you have 4 cores, 3 can handle mapgen while the other can do lua stuff :D
13:14 tenplus1     helps a bit
13:14 ChimneySwift yeah
13:20 timdorohin   VanessaE: isn't lua mapgens runs in mapgen emerge threads?
13:21 ChimneySwift Lua all runs in the same thread
13:23 tenplus1     yeah, but if you have 4 threads and use them all for mapgen it slows down lua as well, so 3 for mapgen, 1 for lua
13:23 ChimneySwift yeah
13:29 timdorohin   well, shit. Why this was done that way? Both luajit & lua5.1 works well with multiple threads...
13:31 ChimneySwift they do..?
13:31 ChimneySwift I was not aware they could run multithreaded at all
13:34 ChimneySwift Lua has coroutines but thos all run on the same thread afaik
13:38 Fixer        hey, little drums!
13:39 timdorohin   ChimneySwift: in programming, pretty much everything can be done if needed. lua code can be run parallel easily without global state, and with some hacks we can add shared thread-aware global state.
13:40 ChimneySwift it can obviously be done, but not without modifying Lua if I'm not mistaken
13:40 timdorohin   ChimneySwift: you can look at Torch framework threads library.
13:40 ChimneySwift hmm I might just do that
13:41 timdorohin   ChimneySwift: modifying lua code or engine? No lua/luajit engine modification needed...
13:42 ChimneySwift I see
13:42 ChimneySwift I'll look tomorrow, it would be nice to have implemented. I need to go to bed though
13:43 tenplus1     laters dude
13:43 ChimneySwift o/
13:50 tenplus1     o/ jordach
13:50 Jordach      woo
13:50 Jordach      clean install of W10Edu
13:51 tenplus1     what's the diff ?
13:51 Jordach      i don't even have a working cortana
13:51 Jordach      completely neutered
13:51 tenplus1     sweet
13:51 tenplus1     lite editions are always better
13:52 Jordach      even better
13:52 Jordach      i properly equalised my damn headphones
13:53 tenplus1     ehehe, nice...
13:54 Jordach      i archived my friends dreamspark W10 Edu images
13:55 Jordach      everything is finally neat
13:55 Jordach      (and no issues going from 1703 to 1803)
14:00 Jordach      the only things that survived my drive wipe and reinstall was blender's userprefs and quassel's logs
14:01 timdorohin   >blender
14:01 timdorohin   are you an alien?
14:01 Jordach      no i'm just absurdly good with it
14:02 tenplus1     Mobs Redo API updated, light damage has min and max values, lava damage checks for ignition sources
14:03 Jordach      timdorohin: i mean, i've wrote a custom TRPG like combat system for MT
14:03 timdorohin   blender user interface is made for aliens.
14:04 Jordach      learn the keyboard shortcuts
14:05 VanessaE     I get by okay with Blender...
14:05 tenplus1     scarey
14:06 Jordach      i find it ironic that the MT engine no longer limits
14:07 Jordach      anything i attempt anymore
14:09 Jordach      i can pretty much sit back and assemble what i want to do entirely inside my head
14:09 VanessaE     time to find a more restrictive platform? :P
14:09 Jordach      nah
14:09 Jordach      that would mean learning Java
14:09 Jordach      :^)
14:10 VanessaE     inb4 Jordch ports Minetest to some 8-bit 1980's computer :)
14:11 Jordach      does it come with a 3d radar at the bottom and wireframe display?
14:11 Jordach      ;)
14:11 VanessaE     sure.
14:11 VanessaE     if you code it :P
14:13 tenplus1     16 colours only :P
14:13 VanessaE     heh
15:31 Fixer        VanessaE: @ procrastinates
15:32 VanessaE     ?
16:40 tenplus1     o/ mister
16:41 Mr_Pardison  hai
16:41 Mr_Pardison  can anyone here code in json?
16:45 sofar        JSON is a data object storage format
16:46 sofar        you can't code in data
16:48 Mr_Pardison  this is for making a mod for Scrap Mechanic (uses json)
16:48 tenplus1     explain ?
16:48 sofar        JSON is ... like ZIP
16:49 sofar        it's just a format to embed data
16:49 sofar        it can hold any data
16:49 sofar        the data... can be "instructions"
16:49 sofar        but JSON is a generic format
16:49 sofar        you can put any data in it
16:49 * VanessaE   pokes sofar with some dangling pull requests
16:50 sofar        if $foo_game uses it in a weird way, you need to read $foo_game documents how it uses the JSON format
16:50 tenplus1     lol, which one's Vanessa
16:50 sofar        "I
16:50 sofar        "I'll get right on it"
16:50 VanessaE     tenplus1: oh just on some mods :)
16:50 sofar        hit me with some links?
16:51 VanessaE     https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/pull/441 ~~ https://github.com/minetest-mods/blox/pull/3 ~~ https://github.com/minetest-mods/steel/pull/2
16:51 VanessaE     and the stained glass mod is still unresolved but you know about that one
16:51 sofar        I probably know about all of them
16:51 sofar        lol
16:51 Fixer        you can put a pickle in JSON
16:51 VanessaE     ok :)
16:52 VanessaE     Fixer: can you imagine the size of the file if you tried to represent a whole pickle therein? :P
16:52 tenplus1     hi ANAND
16:52 Fixer        size of the file will be about 0.5x7 cm
16:52 ANAND        o/
16:56 sofar        that's a tiny pickle
16:59 VanessaE     ...
17:09 tenplus1     *shudder* someone did a Minetest comparison video against mc on youtube, got 0.4.17-1 and ended up making a v6 world running at 5fps...
17:11 VanessaE     ouch.
17:14 * tenplus1   wonders if v8 has made an appearance and uses new map layers yet ?!?!?!?!
17:15 VanessaE     is there EVEN a v8 yet?
17:15 sofar        it's still just tomato juice
17:15 tenplus1     v7 is considered stable now, was just hopeful :) we really need layers now to do something with all that 60,000 high space
17:15 VanessaE     heh
17:15 tenplus1     lol
17:18 Krock        hi tenplus1
17:18 tenplus1     hey Krock... *sips le coffee*
17:19 Krock        time to fix the player deserialization issue for damaged files
17:19 tenplus1     is this the new auth conversion ??
17:19 Krock        as in: throw an error and abort instead of looping forever
17:20 Krock        wat
17:21 Krock        I'd call that auth conversion "Coffee Le Sip de Auth
17:21 Krock        "
17:21 VanessaE     haha
17:21 tenplus1     mmm tasty
17:22 VanessaE     but are protocol options "sweetener", "cream", and "chocolate" enabled by default?
17:22 VanessaE     :P
17:22 * tenplus1   enabled hidden "honey" setting
17:22 VanessaE     nah, that causes crashes in some implementations
17:22 tenplus1     nuuuuuuuu
17:23 VanessaE     you get like 5 hours' connectivity, then pfffft
17:23 tenplus1     Iwonder how long it would take to convert xanadu's player files to the new system
17:24 Krock        forever when there's a damaged file
17:25 tenplus1     might give SorceryKid's new auth setup a try as well, see how that handles it as well
17:26 VanessaE     tenplus1: what would that be, some espresso-derived fork? ;)
17:26 tenplus1     VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20393
17:26 VanessaE     I was kidding :P
17:26 tenplus1     it actually looks really good, even the benchmarks are impressive for something that's all LUA based
17:29 Andrey01     hi everyone
17:29 tenplus1     hi andrey
17:30 Andrey01     i would like to know how to export .blend file to .b3d?
17:31 tenplus1     https://github.com/alrusdi/blender-b3d-exporter
17:31 tenplus1     export plugin for blender
17:38 Andrey01     what do i need to put this module in a folder inside"Blender" folder? "Addons" or "modules"?
17:38 tenplus1     no idea, check the readme
17:40 Andrey01     there is no written in README.md
17:40 tenplus1     https://www.katsbits.com/tutorials/blender/scripts-folder-location.php
17:55 tenplus1     hi ssieb
18:19 ssieb        hi
18:19 Andrey01     if blender mesh has very complicated minetest will be shut down? i just noticed it when set such node
18:20 Andrey01     very complicated*
18:20 Andrey01     is*
18:32 Andrey01     here is a strange error in debug.txt, it nothing written where the error happened: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Expecting itemstack, itemstring, table or nil
18:34 * tenplus1   takes table and adds a futon
18:36 Andrey01     can anybody explain what this is error?
18:37 tenplus1     all depends on the mod, the code etc.
18:37 timdorohin   tenplus1: local table = {"futon"}
18:37 tenplus1     w00t
18:37 * timdorohin reading lua code for more than two hours
18:38 tenplus1     heh same
18:38 tenplus1     updating my mods
18:38 tenplus1     wb longer
18:44 tenplus1     Lucky Blocks has some neat new features :) and blocks...
18:48 Krock        and nodes
18:49 tenplus1     ?
18:49 tenplus1     hi gary
18:49 garywhite    hello
18:56 tenplus1     Krock: "and nodes" ??
18:58 Krock        tenplus1: well, Lucky Blocks has nodes, not blocks.
18:58 Krock        petition to rename to Lucky Nodes
18:58 tenplus1     lol
18:58 tenplus1     was wondering :D
19:00 tenplus1     added replacements option for LB placements which really helps with randomising a structure
19:02 tenplus1     *schematic placements
19:04 tenplus1     the wishing well comes in different styles :) looks nice
19:10 sofar        VanessaE: too busy at work, need to get to it later this weekend maybe
19:10 VanessaE     ok.
19:28 tenplus1     hrm, git.minetest.land wont let me do a pull request ?!?!
19:41 tenplus1     heh yeah, I like the browser anime toons :) think it was the same dude who did earth chan
19:55 tenplus1     nite folks o/
20:13 Andrey01     what should get() function return? Only formspec and inventory size? Can it return add_item() to add an item in this inventory on its creating?
20:37 BillyS       What minetest function is called when a player places a node? minetest.place_node?
20:37 BillyS       I think it was something _item
20:37 BillyS       But I'm not sure
20:47 VanessaE     the node's after_place_node callback
20:47 VanessaE     and the global register_on_placenode() callback
20:48 VanessaE     (or maybe it's called after_place)
20:48 BillyS       That's not what I mean; the server uses a function to actually place that node.
20:49 BillyS       Protection mods override it to check for protection
20:49 VanessaE     oh.
20:49 VanessaE     protection mods don't do that anymore thoguh
20:49 BillyS       Oh?
20:49 BillyS       idk that
20:49 VanessaE     they use the APi call for same
20:49 VanessaE     is_protected() I think