Time  Nick           Message
07:57 tenplus1       hi folks
07:57 tenplus1       Q. is max_drop_level taken into account when digging anything ???
08:02 tenplus1       going by mt code it's never used, unless I'm missing something
08:19 shivajiva      morning tenplus
08:19 tenplus1       hi shiva :) how's you ?
08:20 shivajiva      good thanks n u?
08:20 tenplus1       not bad :) working on mob damage
08:45 ANAND          Looks like items aren't dropped before their on_drop callbacks are invoked
08:46 tenplus1       hi ANAND
08:46 ANAND          Hi :)
08:46 tenplus1       was hoping the max_drop_level was some sort of tool enchant to drop more of the item, but not in use
09:37 tenplus1       Mobs Redo API updated, knockback and fire damage groups checked, dropped items cooked if fire group found
09:46 tenplus1       hi fixer
10:12 tenplus1       laters all
14:01 tenplus1       hi folks :)
14:17 tenplus1       o/ paramat
14:18 xerox123       hello :D
14:18 tenplus1       hi xerox
14:23 tenplus1       o/ Gael-de-Sailly
14:23 Gael-de-Sailly Hi tenplis1
14:24 Gael-de-Sailly *tenplus1
14:47 tenplus1       hi Jordach
14:56 tenplus1       spkit ?
14:56 tenplus1       *split ?
15:02 tenplus1       wb
15:05 ANAND          I'm using minetest.item_drop within an on_drop callback. But it looks like the stack is intact, even after dropping o_O
15:06 tenplus1       so not working like you hoped ?
15:06 ANAND          yes
15:08 ANAND          What's strange is that item_drop already does the following: itemstack:take_item(itemstack:get_count())
15:08 tenplus1       unless on_drop is used in which case you gotta do that yourself (i think)
15:09 tenplus1       https://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_node#on_drop
15:09 ANAND          I am using on_drop, but within on_drop, I call minetest.item_drop too
15:09 tenplus1       prolly confusing it :D
15:10 tenplus1       what you trying to do anyhow ?
15:16 rubenwardy     It would be better to take the medpack away
15:16 rubenwardy     Then maybe give it back later
15:16 tenplus1       ?
15:16 rubenwardy     Less likely to have an exploit
15:49 tenplus1       hi fussel
15:49 IhrFussel      MT probably just segfaulted 15 times in a row
15:49 IhrFussel      [172473.951593] show_signal_msg: 15 callbacks suppressed
15:49 IhrFussel      [172473.951603] Server[13827]: segfault at 150 ip 000000000074d012 sp 00007f8cf5fe4050 error 4 in minetestserver[400000+491000]
15:49 tenplus1       ouch, what were ya doing ?
15:50 IhrFussel      Absolutely nothing really...I already have those random segfaults sometimes but I never had that "callbacks suppressed" info in dmesg
15:51 tenplus1       is this in 0.4.17 ?
15:51 IhrFussel      0.4.17.1
15:52 tenplus1       damn, we were gonna update to that for server
15:52 tenplus1       still having issues then
15:52 IhrFussel      It was actually 16 segfaults cause 15 got suppressed
15:53 IhrFussel      It could be about caverealms_lite which I added yesterday
15:53 tenplus1       we use that mod on server, never had issues ?!?!?!
15:54 IhrFussel      I will have to see if it happens again...if it does then the mod is highly suspect cause I didn't have multiple segfaults in 2.5 years before
15:55 IhrFussel      If it was a OOM-killer thing then it would display that in dmesg correct?
15:55 tenplus1       yeh
15:55 timdorohin     Hi
15:55 IhrFussel      dmesg is almost empty
15:56 tenplus1       hi
15:56 IhrFussel      5.039991] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
15:56 IhrFussel      [172473.951593] show_signal_msg: 15 callbacks suppressed
15:56 timdorohin     does caverealms use voxelmanipulator?
15:56 IhrFussel      Yes it does
15:56 timdorohin     does you use luajit?
15:57 IhrFussel      And I may have the server unload unused data timeout too high
15:57 timdorohin     Saw this issue on old luajit
15:57 timdorohin     s/on/with/
15:57 IhrFussel      I use luaJIT...so you think OOM can also happen as segfaults?
15:58 tenplus1       and only that one mod added recently ???
15:59 timdorohin     saw this thing few times with old luajit, this can be distro-specific issue
15:59 timdorohin     maybe broken shared lib
16:00 IhrFussel      It's the only mod that is complex enough to cause this I think...I added seafood and sandwiches before
16:00 timdorohin     what HW are you using? & what OS?
16:01 IhrFussel      model name	: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v4 @ 2.40GHz, 12 GB DDR4 RAM, Ubuntu 16.04.5
16:02 timdorohin     WOW
16:03 IhrFussel      It's a dedicated VPS not home PC
16:03 timdorohin     >ubuntu 16.04.5
16:03 timdorohin     2.0.4+dfsg-1
16:03 timdorohin     ^ luajit version
16:04 IhrFussel      How do I check my exact version?
16:04 timdorohin     run luajit from console
16:04 tenplus1       doesntwork tim
16:05 timdorohin     ???
16:05 tenplus1       mt uses the library, not the command
16:05 tenplus1       has to be instaslled seperately
16:05 timdorohin     ah, im running arch on my server? sorry
16:06 timdorohin     dpkg -S libluajit
16:07 tenplus1       using 5.1
16:07 IhrFussel      libluajit-5.1-dev
16:07 tenplus1       laters all o/
16:10 timdorohin     this meant that you use minetest from minetest ppa
16:12 IhrFussel      Nope, compiled
16:13 timdorohin     O_o
16:13 IhrFussel      I use this to compile https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837
16:14 timdorohin     okay
16:15 timdorohin     since this one-liner seems not installs and builds new luajit we can guess that luajit installed from ubuntu repository
16:19 timdorohin     ...and it is old http://luajit.org/changes.html
16:20 timdorohin     fun thing: your cpu is newer than your luajit
16:33 IhrFussel      MT uses lots of deprecated libs/versions
16:34 IhrFussel      I didn't update my luaJIT version though, so the segfaults seem to be unrelated to it
16:43 rubenwardy     MT doesn't use any deprecated libs/versions
16:43 rubenwardy     except for plain Lua due to the requirement of 5.1
16:44 Krock          which is not necessary deprecated because it's the newest what LuaJIT supports
16:44 rubenwardy     you're mixing up standards and implementations there
16:45 rubenwardy     I'm talking about the implementation being 5.1 - ie plain puc lua 5.1
16:45 rubenwardy     well
16:45 rubenwardy     except for plain [puc] Lua [implementation being at 5.1.x] due to the requirement of [Lua standard] 5.1
16:46 rubenwardy     deprecated literally just meants non-advised
16:46 rubenwardy     I guess this is pedantic \o/
16:46 Krock          for me it feels like a warning that stuff breaks when you don't expect it
16:46 IhrFussel      I mean MT code itself is not the newest
16:47 Krock          please elaborate
16:47 Krock          Not the newest of what?
16:47 IhrFussel      MT doesn't use C++14 or higher if it exists for example
16:47 rubenwardy     that would be stupid
16:48 rubenwardy     C++14 isn't a version of a compiler or something
16:48 rubenwardy     it's the version of a standard
16:48 rubenwardy     so a compiler could support up to C++17
16:48 rubenwardy     but it would compile Minetest with features up to C++11, as we say we only know about up to C++11
16:49 rubenwardy     there's very little point in optionally using a higher standard
16:49 IhrFussel      But usually higher versions of a programming language also contain new features that improve performance
16:49 rubenwardy     no
16:49 IhrFussel      Or is that not the case with c++?
16:49 rubenwardy     mixing up the standard and toolsets again
16:49 rubenwardy     you can use C++98 and still benefit from performance improvements
16:49 rubenwardy     as your compiler could be from 2018
16:50 rubenwardy     there are improvements to the standard which allow the compiler to know more about what you're doing, so optimise more
16:50 IhrFussel      Then c++ has no versions
16:50 rubenwardy     but it's not a cause of upping the version
16:50 rubenwardy     it does
16:50 rubenwardy     there's the standard version, where the language changes
16:51 rubenwardy     and then theres the version of tools like GCC and CLANG
16:51 rubenwardy     so you can have the same standard version, but an improved compiler
16:51 rubenwardy     thus better optimisations
16:52 IhrFussel      Then that's special about compiled languages... PHP doesn't have such a thing AFAIK cause it's just interpretet and each new version has optimizations and added functionality
16:52 rubenwardy     C/C++ compilers are overly clever, although not quite haskell level
16:52 rubenwardy     Python does
16:52 rubenwardy     CPython
16:52 rubenwardy     PyPy
16:53 rubenwardy     it's nothing special about the compiled language, just the standard/toolset separation
16:55 IhrFussel      So is there a MIN version MT requires for luajit? I mean what if I'm on a distro that only has luajit 1.5 or something like that
16:56 sofar          I think it needs to be 2.1, but, not sure :)
16:57 Krock          easy to compile it on your machine, but 1.5 might work when it supports all API features
16:57 Krock          whereas "all" = the stuff defined in the Lua 5.1 reference manual
16:58 IhrFussel      I think you guys recently bumped the luajit version to 2.1 but is that really the MIN version or just recommended?
16:59 Krock          if it was bumped, then it was most likely the "MIN version"
17:01 IhrFussel      Ubuntu 16.04 uses 2.0.4 so the only 2 options are use PPA (if one exists for libluajit) or compile yourself if you want 5.0.0
17:08 Mr_Pardison    what causes dtime_jitter to spike to upwards of 500%?
17:09 nerzhul        luajit powa haha
17:09 IhrFussel      I think it's just client side so rendering issues?
17:10 sofar          Mr_Pardison: dtime can be anything, even issue outside MT
17:12 Mr_Pardison    sofar: the only problem the person is having is for damage and opening things like their inventory or bags.
17:13 Mr_Pardison    so, a delay in actions with a dtime_jitter spiking upwards of 500%.
17:14 Mr_Pardison    I'm in the same area as them rn to see what it is like and it easily goes upward of 250% on a regular basis.
17:20 IhrFussel      Mr_Pardison, I teleported to the server mall on my server with LOTS of smartshop nodes in the area and it spiked to 600%
17:20 Mr_Pardison    not any smartshops here.
17:20 Mr_Pardison    there are a couple of digtrons that have been digging a vertical shaft but those are not moving rn.
17:20 IhrFussel      No but the more complex the rendering is the higher the jitter
17:21 IhrFussel      Just had a 1500% spike...but it goes down to ~ 50% after again
17:56 Andrey01       hi. devs, how many features do you want to release still for 5.0.0?
18:01 rubenwardy     lol
18:09 longerstaff13  doesn't that also go for kiwi?
18:12 IhrFussel      Tersting dfcaverns on my server...max_lag went instantly to 3 seconds...
18:12 IhrFussel      Testing*
18:24 timdorohin     Mr_Pardison: get used to the power of IRC logs)
18:24 Mr_Pardison    timdorohin: I know of them and have used them before to look at things that I missed.
18:29 Andrey01       Is "ItemStack" userdata? for example, rubenwardy`s manual nothing says about it when making an example with inv:get_list(): https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/inventories/inventories.html
18:29 rubenwardy     it doesn't matter
18:29 Andrey01       but what is "ItemStack"?
18:29 rubenwardy     it doesn't effect the API
18:30 rubenwardy     ItemStack is a function which returns an ItemStack type, which happens to be userdata
18:30 rubenwardy     neither the book nor the api mention user data because the API tries to be opaque as to it's design
18:32 Andrey01       and what would to get item string, do i need stack:get_name()?
18:33 Andrey01       yes?
18:33 rubenwardy     that's the node name
18:33 rubenwardy     get_string or to_string
18:34 rubenwardy     *item name
18:34 rubenwardy     the item name of the stack is something like   default:dirt
18:34 rubenwardy     it doesn't have any counts or meta
18:34 rubenwardy     the item string is a string which represents the stack fully
18:34 rubenwardy     so it includes the name, the count, and the metadata
18:34 rubenwardy     the metadata will be an unreadable string
18:35 Andrey01       ok
19:02 Andrey01       why does it return nil: inv_item:get_name() if "inv_item" is userdata and it contains get_name() function?
19:15 IhrFussel      Andrey01, show us the line where you define inv_item
19:17 Andrey01       now it works for me already
19:26 rdococ         can minetest.serialize serialize recursive tables?
19:27 Andrey01       how to export a blender model into .b3d format?
19:32 Andrey01       i don`t see b3d format exporting suggestion when i open "Export" label
19:35 Andrey01       does anybody know what is ".b3d" format? I even can not find in Internet it
19:41 rubenwardy     yes, rdococ
19:55 Andrey01       here this is file: http://www.imageup.ru/img133/3162966/screenshot_20180905_224531.png
19:55 Andrey01       what is this file?
20:02 Andrey01       so what`s a .b3d file? It`s also used in Mob Redo mod
20:06 A-Hamilton     Andrey01: there is this thing called a search engine.
20:09 Andrey01       does it export automatically or what?
20:19 Andrey01       is it possible and needed to export .blend format to .b3d one?
20:32 timdorohin     anybody has mod that show server statistic via http?
20:34 Andrey01       do i need to export to .b3d??
21:13 rubenwardy     !mod prometheus
21:13 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: Prometheus [prometheus] - Metric uploader by rubenwardy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=18767
21:13 rubenwardy     timdorohin ^
21:13 rubenwardy     Someone else made a better mod, but they haven't released it
21:14 rubenwardy     Mine works well enough
21:14 rubenwardy     It's just not as clean as it could be
21:33 A-Hamilton     so, I just tried to rotate a default wooden chest with a screwdriver and it wouldn't let me. It does have stuff in it and when I tried on another chest that is empty it allowed me to move it. This suppsed to be something or is it a bug?
23:51 paramat        A-Hamilton it looks intentional and due to not being able to 'dig' the node
23:51 A-Hamilton     paramat: I was just trying to rotate it so it would face the same direction as other ones next to it.
23:52 paramat        it seems to depend on the 'can dig' property, which is false if chest has items
23:53 A-Hamilton     interesting.
23:55 rdococ         hmm
23:55 rdococ         I saw an idea originally meant for Minecraft which would have villagers and villages with different economic systems