Time  Nick            Message
02:41 Mr_Pardison     has anyone ever thought of having damage be done to the player when they go really fast and hit their head on something?
08:27 tenplus1        hi folks :)
08:29 ChimneySwift    hiya tenplus1
08:30 tenplus1        hi chimney
08:34 tenplus1        what does everyone think of MultiCraft ??
08:44 ChimneySwift    idk, never played it
08:44 ChimneySwift    I don't have a problem with it, especially with the sate of the official app
08:45 tenplus1        it's a minetest clone run by Martin_Devil
09:21 longerstaff13-m Multishit
09:22 tenplus1        hi longer
09:22 longerstaff13-m Hi
09:22 longerstaff13-m Sorry about that if swearing isn't allowed :P
09:24 tenplus1        :P
09:24 longerstaff13-m Lol
09:24 longerstaff13-m Anyways, afk
09:24 tenplus1        k
09:58 Shara           Hello :)
09:59 tenplus1        hi Shara
09:59 tenplus1        hows things ?
09:59 Shara           Good thanks.
09:59 Shara           You?
09:59 tenplus1        tired but okie :0
10:00 tenplus1        got a job offer from MultiCraft owner
10:00 Shara           Lol
10:00 tenplus1        had to say no ta
10:01 Shara           I'm wondering why torches make a visible light difference when placed outside in the middle of the day
10:01 Shara           Isn't sunlight meant to be brighter than torches?
10:01 tenplus1        sunlight is 15, torch is 13... shouldnt make any difference at all apart from shadows
10:02 Shara           It makes it brighter
10:02 tenplus1        checking
10:02 Shara           I've been feeling like... day time is too dark in game for a while now
10:03 tenplus1        that is so weird
10:03 Shara           You see it too then?
10:03 tenplus1        I even set it to noon just incase it was a morning thing... it defo gets brighter when a torch is 0placed
10:03 Shara           Yup
10:03 ChimneySwift    weird...
10:03 tenplus1        something may be up with light calc
10:04 Shara           It's ridiculously visible in the HW desert biome for some reason... a biome that should be really really... well lit :P
10:04 Shara           I was trying to tak e ascreenshot and kept thinking "it's too dark"..
10:05 tenplus1        yeah...  I dont get it, daytime should be at full brightness already, and a 13 light torch should never light anything brighterup ?!?!
10:05 Shara           I'll add an issue in a bit.
10:05 tenplus1        yeah
10:14 tenplus1        I updated kitty's shara
10:14 Shara           Mew?
10:15 tenplus1        you can right clickthem to stay(sit) or walk around :) and they randomly spit up hairballs which may contain an item
10:15 Shara           Uhm... I'm not sure I'd want an item from a cat's hairball
10:16 tenplus1        lolol, kinda gross but like a really crappy lucky bag...  they contain random stuffs like sticks, dye, grass, string, saplings etc
10:16 Shara           It would be a bag I wouldn't open :P
10:17 tenplus1        lol, gotta think of another use for hairballs, like fuel in furnace :D
10:18 Shara           They have no use :P
10:18 Shara           You're weird sometimes, Ten :P
10:18 tenplus1        thanks :D
10:18 tenplus1        I update the api as well with some fixes :D
10:29 Shara           tenplus1: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7686
10:31 tenplus1        commented
10:32 Shara           Thanks
10:37 MinetestBot     Krock: Aug-31 21:58 UTC <Fixer> could you provide more analytics on those 3000 mods?
10:37 Krock           hi tenplus1
10:37 tenplus1        hey Krock :)
10:37 Krock           !tell Fixer what kind of analytics?
10:37 MinetestBot     Krock: I'll pass that on when Fixer is around
10:38 tenplus1        checking issues on list, many there :) I wonder how many can be removed now
10:39 * Krock         is slightly annoyed that tenplus1 uses the notation "0.4.17-1" because it messes up the notation scheme
10:39 tenplus1        :P
10:42 tenplus1        isnt it proper notation though, version 0.4.17 re-release -1
10:44 Krock           depends on the viewpoint. version numbers can have any number of version "levels", like A.B.C.D.E or just A.B
10:45 Krock           Windows seems to use A.B.C.D for the application information
10:45 tenplus1        major.minor.maintenance-build
10:46 tenplus1        hi paramat
10:46 Krock           according to that it would be 0.4.18 because the "build" would have to use the same tree
10:46 Krock           s/tree/source/
10:46 Krock           hi paramat
10:48 Krock           nerzhul: you might want to join #-dev too
10:53 tenplus1        o/ Jordach
10:59 paramat         wow Shara is up early. and i've been up since last night x_X
10:59 tenplus1        no sleep ?
11:00 Shara           Heh, hi paramat
11:00 Shara           I'm usually awake long before now, but not at the computer :)
11:02 Krock           paramat: disable the oerkkis under your bed and craft a fancy bed. it helps.
11:05 paramat         it's ok, i'm just out of phase, will sleep soon
11:07 tenplus1        hi fussel
11:27 nerzhul         Krock: what do you mean ?
11:27 nerzhul         i'm not on it ?
11:27 nerzhul         strangely i should not be on it, my last log was on 22 august
11:28 Krock           there we go :D
11:30 tenplus1        o/ aerozoic
11:30 tenplus1        wb nerzhul
11:31 aerozoic        wazup tenplus1 !
11:35 tenplus1        chillin' you ?
11:40 aerozoic        just starting the day ;)
11:41 MinetestBot     Fixer: Sep-01 10:37 UTC <Krock> what kind of analytics?
11:42 Fixer           Krock: for example, what type: mod, textures, whatever, what subforum,  what size?
11:44 Krock           I don't index texture packs and about the mods: either released or WIP
11:45 rubenwardy      You can't index texture packs as there is no dedicated forum for texture packs
11:45 tenplus1        o/ fixer
11:45 Fixer           \\\o
11:45 Shara           Skycolour difference between dev and 0.4.16... https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/7035183/44945522-3b5e0900-ade3-11e8-90d6-4c67faa52f46.png
11:45 Shara           I'm not crazy afterall!
11:45 Krock           could do a curl (header only) request on repository archives to find out how large they are
11:45 rubenwardy      There's a forum which also includes crap like requesting texture pack conversions
11:45 rubenwardy      Minetest mods does this
11:46 rubenwardy      Not all things respond well to head requests
11:46 rubenwardy      Mtmods does a head request then falls back to downloading
11:47 Shara           no wonder the game feels so damn dark to me when I'm testing in current dev :(
11:47 Krock           display_gamma = 3
11:47 Krock           ambient_occlusion_gamma = 3
11:47 Krock           using these and am happy about it
11:47 Shara           Krock: there's literally no game I have played ever where I've felt a need to change default gamma...
11:48 Shara           So it makes me think something's off
11:48 Krock           I thought it was just my screen but if you're having this issue too then it needs tweaking
11:48 Shara           But.. this also seems separate to the issue with torches outshining the sun
11:48 Shara           Yea, it's been bugging me for a while, but I kept thinking it was just me
11:49 Shara           That screenshot shows the sky has visibly darkned at some point
11:49 Shara           darkened*
11:50 Shara           I ran the two clients side by side, same settings, same screen
12:18 Krock           New auth mechanism idea: Let people login in 70% of the cases because statistically passwords are entered correctly with a chance of 70%
12:19 tenplus1        lol
12:20 ChimneySwift    lol that would be pretty high performance too
12:20 rubenwardy      Kek
12:29 tenplus1        o/ ssieb
14:05 tenplus1        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7687
14:07 Krock           easy dupe
14:08 tenplus1        damn, I searched for the group namein issues and nothing came up ?!"?!?!
14:09 Krock           if you had waited a day then it would be exactly two years ago since when you replied to the other issue
14:09 Krock           almost perfect fit this time
14:09 tenplus1        ahaha
14:09 tenplus1        it's taht oldalready, this needs looked at
14:12 Krock           well, code-wise this looks quite simple. a few lines in localplayer.cpp - but it might change the gameplay a little
14:12 tenplus1        do it do it do it do it
14:12 tenplus1        then we have the feature for use when needed and the {disable_jump} group is set :)
14:12 Krock           the problem is that you could still jump when touching ground
14:13 Krock           because it's not clear which node that should be checked
14:13 tenplus1        the one below player foot level
14:13 tenplus1        if it's in quicksand and hte group is set, you shouldnt be able to use jump.swim
14:14 tenplus1        if youtouch bottom and it's say stone, then you can sorta jump, but slowly cause you're in fluid
14:14 Krock           you could still jump when touching the regular sand or stone below
14:14 Krock           gonna check what can be done
14:14 tenplus1        that's fine
14:14 tenplus1        brb
14:27 Krock           testing...
14:36 tenplus1        o/
14:49 Krock           aagh why must this conflict with the old sneak code
14:51 tenplus1        what did ya change ?
15:20 Krock           *everything*
15:21 tenplus1        lol
15:21 Mr-Pardison     Krock made a paradigm shifting chage!?!?!?!
15:21 tenplus1        hi mister :P
15:22 * Mr-Pardison   has been around, just hiding in plain sight :P
15:24 tenplus1        I'd hate to mess with the current sneak code :D
15:24 * Shara         hugs xanadu server itself (somehow?) for using proper sneak
15:25 tenplus1        lol
15:25 Krock           well, there's the acceleration code which makes the movement smoother
15:25 Krock           but that requires to have stable target speed values
15:26 Krock           even the jumps are made smooth that way
15:26 Krock           so once jump is pressed on the ground, it accelerates for a moment upwards until it notices that there's no ground and it starts falling again
15:26 Krock           -> mini-jumps
15:28 tenplus1        heh
15:28 tenplus1        so when in water and disable_jump flag set it wont go uypo ?
15:29 Krock           uypo
15:29 tenplus1        hehe my new keyboard, getting use to it :))  *up
15:29 Krock           yes and no. you go up for 0.2m and sink again
15:30 tenplus1        that'sok... so long as they cant escape :) it's all good
15:30 Krock           no, that's an ugly animation and it wouldn't take just a week for -dev testers to report that as visual bug
15:31 tenplus1        lol
15:31 Krock           [Fine] <-- yes -- [Does it work how you want it?] --> [Intended?] -- Does not matter --> [Create new issue anyway
15:31 Krock           ]
15:32 Krock           1-dimensional flowcharts are .. challenging
15:32 tenplus1        >>
15:32 tenplus1        ??
15:32 Mr-Pardison     then go vertical!
15:37 Jordach         what the fuck minetest
15:37 Jordach         >#FFFFFFFFFFFFFFEE19A42A
15:37 Jordach         minetest.rgba is bizzare
15:37 tenplus1        ??? what happened
15:38 Jordach         no clue
15:40 Jordach         nope, it's my Lua code
15:40 tenplus1        ehehe, what ya trying to do ?
15:41 Jordach         -2639   190     1772
15:41 Jordach         yep, there it is
15:43 Jordach         i wasn't dividing by 100 when i should've
15:58 tenplus1        least it wasnt an elusive divide by 0 :P
15:59 Jordach         i'm not that stupid
16:00 tenplus1        ehehe
16:00 Jordach         what do you take me for daramat on a weekend without thinking?
16:00 tenplus1        :P
16:05 Jordach         i mean, anyone here who meets me at freenode live can get a drink on sunday at a nearby wetherspoons
16:05 tenplus1        (_)P
16:06 rdococ          > Yay
16:06 tenplus1        hi rdococ
16:06 rdococ          hi tenplus2minus1
16:07 tenplus1        :)
16:07 rdococ          I should create a system that automatically generates ways to say tenplus1
16:08 rdococ          you could do various operations and remember them, then display their inverses in reverse
16:16 tenplus1        wb amaz
16:16 Amaz            ty ten :)
16:29 tenplus1        how hard would it be to implement player:set_velocity() and player:set_acceleration() ???
16:37 Krock           tenplus1: #7688
16:37 ShadowBot       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7688 -- Add disable_jump to liquids and ladders by SmallJoker
16:38 tenplus1        w00t! thanks dude :)
16:38 Krock           tenplus1: maybe because there's *server lags*?
16:38 tenplus1        but the server eventually updates from client position anyhow...
16:39 tenplus1        being able to set player velocity and acceleration would allow for some very interesting mods
16:40 Krock           the server only forces the player to update when they're out of sync (cheating)
16:41 tenplus1        hrmmmm...   am trying to make the player knockback better, but attaching to an entity has it's own problems
16:47 tenplus1        I create en entity the same size as player, attach player to it and move, then detach... but when detaching the player end up in the air and falls ?!?!
16:48 tenplus1        https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/playerplus/src/master/init.lua#L292
16:54 tenplus1        wb aerozoic
16:55 aerozoic        thx
17:02 Krock           tenplus1: your issue is here https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/playerplus/src/master/init.lua#L293
17:02 Krock           (for the jumping part)
17:03 tenplus1        I need to add that, otherwise when the player is attached they end up underground
17:03 tenplus1        with the pos.y + 1 when player is hit they move sideways, but on detatch appear up 0.5 nodes and Idunno where that comes from
17:04 Krock           wrong collision box
17:04 tenplus1        samesize as player (heights)
17:04 tenplus1        and the +1compensates for theplayer offset
17:05 Krock           no, the "-1" part compensates it
17:06 Krock           because it's the minimal collision box Y value which matters here
17:06 tenplus1        for player or entity ?
17:08 Krock           both, because the minimal Y value must be the same for both to have the same positions
17:11 tenplus1        its placing the entiti at the exact sameposition as player, attaching player, moving entity, then detatching player
17:12 tenplus1        it all works until detatch
17:12 tenplus1        then a jump in y pos when player reappears
17:13 tenplus1        a quick set_pos for player works better but slightly jerky
17:13 Krock           Blame The Attachment System (TM)  or test the same with 5.0-dev collision boxes using a newer client to see whether it's fixed
17:13 Krock           why not move_to?
17:15 tenplus1        wanting it to reappear at same position as entity, move_to will cause a slide down
17:17 Krock           no longer jerky
17:17 tenplus1        true
17:18 tenplus1        wait,is player 1.8 high ?
17:18 tenplus1        am putting 2/0
17:19 tenplus1        1.7 in dev... testing
17:31 tenplus1        it's a dirty hack,but it works
17:31 tenplus1        :P
17:35 tenplus1        Krock: does your new boostcart changes improve it any ?
17:35 Krock           no, it makes it worse
17:36 Krock           ^ sarcasm
17:36 tenplus1        nuuuuuuu
17:36 tenplus1        lol
17:36 Krock           of course there are improvements. that's the point of making commits
17:37 Krock           BillyS might also be interested in that because I've observed quite many carts which were stuck in the wall
17:37 tenplus1        just checking, incase your testing :P
17:42 Krock           local tests showed that it worked quite well.. but getting the server conditions (uneven steps and sudden load) is not easy to reproduce
17:42 tenplus1        testingf changes now in cart version we use on server
17:42 Krock           * ExeciN28 has quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)))
17:42 Krock           (in 2 mins)
17:44 tenplus1        ooh, doesnt lag off the rails, works better
17:46 Mr-Pardison     awww.... no more crazy carts :P
17:47 tenplus1        hehe, git updated :P
17:47 tenplus1        will hopefully update Xanadu tonight with changes
18:46 tenplus1        hi ssieb
18:48 ssieb           hi
19:02 tenplus1        yaay! ambience api has been running on server for 2 days now, working a-okie :PP
19:13 IhrFussel       Can I assume that looping through online list every server step and checking just controls takes less than 1ms?
19:13 tenplus1        far less, it's quick
19:14 tenplus1        and that's on my crappy net-top 1.8ghz dual core
19:14 IhrFussel       Cause I got a "fair mode" on my server which, when enabled, checks if the player uses sneak every step and logs that incident
19:15 tenplus1        you could add a timer and check every 1 second then
19:15 tenplus1        ifit worries you
19:16 IhrFussel       sneak allows for various movement "exploits" so I need to detect that (for example sneak in a parkour lets you reach nodes easier)
19:17 IhrFussel       Not sure if every second is enough...players could find out and just press sneak for 0.5 secs
19:17 tenplus1        lol, players arent that accurate, make it every 0.5 seconds then, that covers around 20 server steps
19:19 IhrFussel       Also maybe it would be more efficient if I don't loop through the whole online list but through players that enabked the mode only instead
19:19 tenplus1        yup
19:19 tenplus1        although looping through all players and checking for sneak every 0.5 seconds is nothing to the server
19:20 IhrFussel       How the loop needs to look like when I save the enabled flag as "fair[playername] = 1" ?
19:20 tenplus1        you would still need to do local player = minetest.get_player_from_name(playername)  which would be same as getting controls
19:21 tenplus1        why oversomplicate
19:21 IhrFussel       Well I think it's better to just loop through the flagged users...mostly just 1 or 2 have it enabled while there could be 15-20 online
19:22 tenplus1        :P
19:23 IhrFussel       for _, name in ipairs(fair) do ... correct?
19:23 tenplus1        yeah, and _ would be playername
19:23 Shara           Fussel, why not just disable sneak when you don't want it used, then reenable?
19:24 tenplus1        true shara :P
19:24 IhrFussel       How can you disable it? You mean disable sneak glitch?
19:24 Shara           You can switch sneak modes between new and old, or turn it off completely any time, per player
19:24 tenplus1        player:set_physics_override({sneak = false})
19:25 IhrFussel       That makes the sneak key non-functional?
19:25 tenplus1        yup
19:25 Shara           You can have it so it won't prevent players from dropping off the edge
19:25 Shara           Maybe this helps: https://github.com/Ezhh/catcommands/blob/master/init.lua#L202
19:27 tenplus1        :P
19:27 IhrFussel       That should work, thanks...I just didn't know that "physics override" provides the function to disable a certain movement option
19:28 Shara           :)
19:28 tenplus1        handles:  speed, jump, gravity, sneak and sneak_glitch
19:28 IhrFussel       Does that mean sneak will also not work on chests etc?
19:28 tenplus1        wb gary
19:29 garywhite       thanks
19:29 Shara           on chests?
19:29 IhrFussel       I mean certain nodes require sneak when placing
19:29 tenplus1        sometimes you hold sneak to place certain blocks over others with right-click set
19:29 Shara           I don't think it effects that
19:29 tenplus1        youwould have to try fussel and see
19:30 tenplus1        lemmie check quick
19:31 tenplus1        only affects player sneak while walking
19:31 tenplus1        right clicking nodes with sneak works ok
19:44 tenplus1        hi baker
19:58 IhrFussel       It actually really only disables the reaching of "distant" nodes which is exactly what I need
20:01 A-Hamilton      ahoy cap'n's
20:01 tenplus1        hi hamilton
20:07 garywhite       <user> this guy on my server says minetest are deleting all servers in 3 days, is that true?
20:07 garywhite       What a bunch of baloney
20:07 tenplus1        lololol
20:08 tenplus1        gotta love what kids believe/hear
20:08 Krock           yes sure
20:08 Krock           Minetest will be nuked on September 4th
20:08 tenplus1        :P
20:08 A-Hamilton      to the bomb shelter! :P
20:10 Krock           and on September 21st there will be a after-death party according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk
20:10 tenplus1        .lol
20:10 A-Hamilton      lol Krock I have that on a playlist.
20:20 tenplus1        nite all o//
21:35 longerstaff13-m One of my friends is saying that there is someone on his server who is saying minetest will shut down for 10 weeks or some bullshit like that, just clarifying to make sure that isn't true (I have seen what gary put earlier)
21:39 Shara           Not true
21:40 Jordach         :massive_thinking_emoji:
22:35 longerstaff13-m Shara: ok, thanks :)
23:05 xerox123        minetest isn't centralised
23:06 Fixer           actually minetest deletes the whole internet due to kids school season, have funnnn
23:09 Jordach         inb4 fortnite is a more terrible minetest
23:10 Mr-Pardison     screw fortnite.
23:11 Mr-Pardison     it's either dying or dead.
23:12 Mr-Pardison     YT'ers who stream it are going to lose their source of income.