Time Nick Message 00:04 rubenwardy paramat: popey is in #minetest 00:05 rubenwardy I met him at http://freenode.live too 00:09 paramat cool 00:55 * paramat is haunted by a spooky apple 12:58 rubenwardy https://dev.minetest.net/Changelog 14:13 tenplus1 hi Krock 14:13 tenplus1 hey folks 14:13 Krock hi tenplus1 14:13 tenplus1 ehehe 14:14 Mr_Pardison_ hai 11 14:15 tenplus1 hi mister o/ 14:15 tenplus1 si I take it there's definitely an issue with aliases ? 14:15 twoelk o/ 14:15 tenplus1 hey twoelk 14:17 twoelk should probably do some exploring on xanadu again - seems I'm missing some plants in my collection :-D 14:18 tenplus1 ehehe, farming had an update, as did mobs and bows 14:21 tenplus1 o/ paramat 14:21 aerozoic wazup tenplus1! 14:21 twoelk fooled around with csm-position logging yesterday, plus having verbose debug and save-to-local-map active - gave my little client a little too much to munch on I guess 14:22 tenplus1 hi aerozoic 14:22 twoelk hope my slow client didn't show impact on the server 14:22 tenplus1 client would have done most of the processing if it were a CSM mod 14:23 tenplus1 my issue lately is the aliases not working properly 14:23 * aerozoic just got ubuntu server installed on the laptop. 14:23 tenplus1 when I did farming redo compatibility with farming_plus nodes and items it worked fine, now on 0.4.16 and 0.4.17 they dont work 100% and I'm seeing unknown nodes 14:24 twoelk nothing simple like naming style changed? 14:24 tenplus1 nothing that simple, things like items in inventory change ok but the node assigned to the item doesnt 14:25 tenplus1 if it works for one, it should work for the other 14:30 ANAND Hiya tenplus1. VanessaE was trying to reach you for the past two days :) 14:30 VanessaE I already reached him :P 14:31 tenplus1 hi ANAND :) 14:31 tenplus1 hey Vanessa 14:31 VanessaE hi8 14:31 VanessaE hi 14:31 ANAND oh lol, nvm :P 14:31 tenplus1 paramat: do you know if anything has changed with aliases in the 0.4.16 and over versions ??? 14:33 aerozoic Anybody have any good references for self-hosting for beginners? 14:33 tenplus1 am sure there's a guide or two on forums 14:34 paramat no alias changes as far as i remember 14:37 tenplus1 dunno if you read the logs, but what worked ok before has problems now with setting aliases 14:37 tenplus1 working ok for items in inventory, but the node assigned to it comes up unknown 14:37 tenplus1 but... some work fine which just makes it plain weird 14:44 lisac_ lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Minetest/comments/97hnc9/how_to_make_a_mod_that_when_right_clicking_an/ 14:44 tenplus1 hi lisac 14:44 lisac hey tenplus1 :) 14:53 VanessaE tenplus1: you should file an issue on github to track this 14:54 Krock lisac: seems very secure 14:54 tenplus1 am going over every alias first to be totally sure it's not the mod... 14:55 Krock if the alias are broken in 0.4.17, then they're also broken in previous 0.4.x releases 14:55 tenplus1 that's the thing Krock, it worked ok before, and aliases havent been altered for the nodes in question 14:55 Krock neither has the engine code 14:56 tenplus1 which is why this is so weird 14:56 Krock nodes seem to be converted as soon the mapblock saves 14:56 Krock i.e. take the aliased node name 14:56 Krock s/node/item/ 14:58 tenplus1 e.g. farming:big_pumpkin has been aliased to farming:pumpkin... I can give myself each item which works, but the node is unknown instead of being a pumpkin 14:58 tenplus1 but, farming:weed is aliased to farming:grass_2... and that works ?!?!?!! 15:01 VanessaE I noticed that btw but for me, the "weed" looks like jungle grass. 15:02 tenplus1 VanessaE: could you grab the latest farming redo and test compatibility again, see if it looks any better for you 15:02 VanessaE what' 15:02 VanessaE what's changed? 15:02 tenplus1 the only thing I cant get it to replace is the big pumpkin, that's still not changing 15:02 tenplus1 I just uploaded latest compatibility.lua file to git 15:03 VanessaE oh ok 15:03 VanessaE I'll grab it. 15:07 tenplus1 thanks :) 15:11 tenplus1 wb mister 15:11 VanessaE ok, it's live, lemme go look 15:11 Mr_Pardison ty. 15:13 tenplus1 last update and I'm done... 15:13 tenplus1 shaved a whole 1kb off compatibility.lua :) lol 15:14 VanessaE tenplus1.. 15:14 tenplus1 ? 15:14 VanessaE did you just alias them all to air? 15:15 tenplus1 nuuuu, all crops and items should be accounted for 15:15 tenplus1 big pumpkin side/top/corner has been aliased to air, but the middle should give a jackolantern 15:15 VanessaE oh wait, there they are. 15:15 tenplus1 o.O had me worried there 15:16 VanessaE yeah, it seems to be all good, but imho you should import banana leaves and use them instead of aliasing them to default leaves 15:17 tenplus1 are banana leaves used for anything ? 15:17 tenplus1 if ethereal is active it will alias to banana leaves, but I dont wanna include too many nodes in only farming 15:18 VanessaE they're not, but my server still has lots of cruft leftover from farming_plus, which used to have a banana tree 15:18 VanessaE (default tree trunk, custom leaves, plus the bananas) 15:18 tenplus1 k, hold on... will add leaves 15:18 VanessaE thanks 15:19 VanessaE I should add banana trees to Moretrees at some point. 15:20 VanessaE (I'll use Ethereal node names for backwards compat, if I do) 15:20 VanessaE meanwhile, 15:20 VanessaE https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/led_marquee 15:22 tenplus1 git updated, banana leaves added 15:22 VanessaE ok, I'll grab it in a bit. 15:41 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20651 15:41 VanessaE :) 15:41 tenplus1 sweet :P 15:50 Krock LED marquee? The screenshot tells something else 15:51 Krock ^ the screenshot on GitLab 15:51 tenplus1 'tis a kewl mod, mc doesnt have anything like that 15:52 VanessaE oh, did I forget to update that one? 15:53 Krock no, the nixie tubes look just right 15:53 * VanessaE fixes 15:55 VanessaE there. 16:17 BillyS How the heck do area mods work? 16:17 BillyS I've been poking through https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas for half an hour and can't find out a thing about it 16:17 Krock with Lua code and a heck lot of black magic 16:17 tenplus1 lolol 16:17 tenplus1 hi billy 16:17 BillyS Great. How do I use the black magic? 16:17 BillyS hi tenplus 16:18 tenplus1 what you trying to do ? 16:18 BillyS My server just got griefed by some n00b 16:18 BillyS I'm trying to write a version of a protection mod that blocks lava places 16:18 * Krock gives BillyS the exchange_shop mod no a silver tray 16:18 Krock BillyS: overwrite on_place of lava_source 16:18 BillyS I could just override lava sources 16:18 Krock ninja'd 16:18 BillyS Hmm 16:19 BillyS To remove the node, I suppose? 16:19 Krock https://github.com/SmallJoker/minibase_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L535 16:19 Krock no, to not even place the node 16:19 Krock prevent it before it happens 16:20 tenplus1 good idea 16:20 Krock alternatively extend item_place by a node name check 16:20 Krock also patch buckets 16:20 Krock and patch whatever else may place nodes 16:20 BillyS Hmmm 16:21 BillyS m'kay thx 16:24 Krock !next 16:24 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 16:25 BillyS heh 16:41 twoelk wasn|t there a mod like in unternull that let an admin restrict bucket and liquids usage with certain rules? 16:41 tenplus1 I think tps server has such a mod that requires a priv for buckets 16:41 twoelk or have several admins just constantly reinvented the same wheel? 16:42 tenplus1 hi Jordach 16:42 Jordach bah 16:42 tenplus1 sheepz 16:42 Jordach anyone consistent with android building 16:42 Jordach https://hastebin.com/gewafenoto.bash 16:45 tenplus1 hi CWz 16:48 tenplus1 wb 16:49 Jordach nerzhul: irrlicht itself is failing to compile for android under 18.04 Ubuntu 16:49 tenplus1 wai 16:49 * Krock gives BillyS https://github.com/SmallJoker/exchange_shop/commit/0861f4d8 and hopes for a feedback 16:50 * BillyS goes into convulsions over the speed of his internet 16:50 BillyS I CAN't EVEN SSH INTO MY SERVER ITS SO EFFING SLOW 16:50 Krock WHY ARE YOU USING SHIFT 16:51 BillyS TO CONVEY THAT I'M SHOUTING 16:51 Krock I MEANT *WHY ARE YOU NOT USING CAPS LOCK* 16:51 Krock Jordach: is that the current master? 16:51 Jordach urd 16:51 Jordach yes 16:52 Krock stu and srifqi managed to compile it somehow 16:52 * Jordach updates the dev.minetest.net wiki 16:53 nerzhul Jordach not my problem :) 16:54 Jordach nerzhul: you're the one who builds it officially 16:54 Krock nerzhul: mind giving some instructions? 16:55 nerzhul Jordach and i'm not on ubuntu haha 16:55 nerzhul use archlinux it works 17:08 rubenwardy If you Google it, there's a missing include 17:08 rubenwardy There's supposed to be a patch though 17:09 rubenwardy Are you using the makefile? 17:09 rubenwardy Or winging it 17:23 Jordach rubenwardy: standard makefile 17:24 rubenwardy ? 17:24 nerzhul all patches are included and 0.4.17.1 + master build fine 17:25 tenplus1 :P 17:26 Jordach this is non 0.4 17:26 rubenwardy Google only support Ubuntu 14.04 for building Android 17:26 rubenwardy (the OS) 17:26 rubenwardy Fun fact 17:27 rubenwardy Windows and macOS aren't supported at all 17:27 rubenwardy It works on Ubuntu 18.04 though 17:27 rubenwardy They just don't recommend it 17:27 Jordach i've got 18.04 installed 17:27 rubenwardy Oh, and a colleague uses arch 17:27 Jordach arch could cure cancer if it had the package 17:28 tenplus1 hi fussel 17:36 Calinou I build Godot export template APKs from Fedora 28 without issues 17:36 Jordach the one MT has is basically built from paperclips 17:36 Jordach and sheer willpower 17:36 tenplus1 hi cal... what's the actual issue with building minetest in ubuntu 18.04 17:37 Jordach >different line endings 17:41 Calinou I don't know 17:41 tenplus1 is the build command listed in forums so ppl can build it ok ? 17:41 Jordach https://hastebin.com/gewafenoto.bash 17:41 Jordach ffffff 17:41 Calinou I haven't tested it for a while now 17:41 Jordach VM pls 17:41 Jordach Fix many Android build issues 17:42 Jordach thats the one that solves it 17:43 Jordach the ones that built 0.4.17.1 work with 5.0-dev 17:44 BillyS Due to idiots, n00bz, and errors, I'm leaving minetest. I may come back, I'm not sure. At any rate, thanks for the help you guys have given me. 17:44 * Mr_Pardison gives BillyS a big thermos of coffee for the road 17:44 BillyS heh, thanks 17:44 tenplus1 o.O what just happened ? 17:45 Jordach ? 17:47 tenplus1 damn, but still... to leave minetest because of some griefers... 17:47 tenplus1 hi sfan... yeah he had areas active, but they got passed it or dropped laval above protected area 17:49 tenplus1 and that's why I disabled lava buckets 17:59 twoelk buckets should really be attached to a privs system by default 17:59 twoelk or at least the placing of dengerous stuff 18:00 Mr_Pardison I agree. 18:00 tenplus1 yeah, have a priv level, 1 for water, 2 for lava etc 18:01 Mr_Pardison priv could be called liquidity since it would allow them to place liquids. 18:02 tenplus1 yeah... 18:03 Mr_Pardison for mesecons (since you can make an endless loop with them that would cause a crash), potential priv name would be logical 18:03 Mr_Pardison *"logical" 18:04 tenplus1 important stuff like that should require a priv 18:06 Mr_Pardison and be granted only to those who are trusted enough not to abuse it. 18:06 twoelk maybe a trusted player level system with a config file an admin could define whatever he deems dangerous nodes on his server 18:07 Calinou I remember being peeved at Minecraft servers that forbid water bucket placement 18:07 Calinou (or even scooping up water at all…) 18:07 Calinou one of them automatically kicked anyone who did so 18:07 * Krock hopes that they'll return soon 18:09 Jordach why not uh have buckets place a special version of liquids with meta attached that can be removed via an abm 18:09 Jordach the meta could explicitly contain the players name to remove any offending nodes 18:09 Calinou what if they mix with standard lava? 18:09 Calinou or standard liquids in general 18:09 Jordach or just add nodemeta to the sources 18:10 * twoelk has created several rather large lakes with buckets 18:10 tenplus1 if someone places a source block of water I attach their names so I can see who flooded or griefed 18:11 twoelk oops, you recorded all my lakes on xanadu ? 18:12 tenplus1 eheheh 18:12 twoelk I wonder whether the mapper could process such info 18:12 tenplus1 hover over the source with a bucket and you'll see a name appear :D 18:13 twoelk I have probably long forgotten some of them 18:19 tenplus1 yeah, was easy to fool... make a water source in the middle and remove other two with name... 18:22 * twoelk somehow feels the urge to make a nice lake now ----- and heads for the toilet 18:22 tenplus1 lol 18:40 tenplus1 VanessaE: did new aliases work ok for you ? 18:43 VanessaE tenplus1: there are more? 18:44 tenplus1 adding the banana leaves was the last change 18:44 VanessaE haven't checked on that yet. 18:44 tenplus1 ah, no probs :) 18:53 tenplus1 hi CBugDCoder 18:53 CBugDCoder hi ten 19:06 tenplus1 hi H4mlet 19:06 H4mlet hi tenplus1 19:14 tenplus1 lolol 19:41 H4mlet I'm using minetest.line_of_sight (v0.4.17.1), but it seems to ignore nodes straight above the mobs' pos; I've tried setting stepsize to "2", it didn't worked. E.g.: mob placed into a square building, one window into a wall, if I punch it, it punches back until the wall doesn't block its view, but if I do the same from the roof it keeps punching even if its view is blocked by the roof's nodes. 19:44 tenplus1 Sprint mod updated, has support for both player_monoids and pova mods 20:11 tenplus1 wb 20:13 tenplus1 hi thomas 20:20 IhrFussel "this server lags too much" gosh...just get a better phone 20:20 tenplus1 lol 20:20 IhrFussel I really hate it when player blame the server for "lag" which isn't actual lag but low FPS on their device 20:21 tenplus1 I jsut tell them to type: /status and if lag < 0.5 it's all good :D 20:25 Mr_Pardison IhrFussel: Try Lag World. with the amount of mods on it and the ones on there, it can get pretty laggy and not due to frame drop. 20:28 tenplus1 nite folks o// 20:49 Jordach Krock: *sets NDK compile mode to all archs* 20:49 Jordach i've got it compiling and signing perfectly 20:50 Jordach it just happens that my phone has to be ARMv8 21:50 Shara Mr_Pardison: Can we not play "guess the griefer" without some actual proof? I saw BillyS do a whole bunch of things I personally found childish and hateful as well, but I don't go around saying things were probably his doing without proof. 21:51 Mr_Pardison I'm just paraphrasing what they said. 21:52 Bobr Shara, same 21:52 Shara It wasn't presented that way, and I really don't want to see more of that groups' drama brought here without very good reason. 21:53 Mr_Pardison I didn't intend to nor do I mean to. 21:54 Shara Okay, thank you. 22:03 VanessaE there. 22:08 VanessaE (what, no one's gonna ask "where?" ? :< ) 22:09 Bobr VanessaE, where? 22:10 VanessaE there -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20651 22:12 rubenwardy https://twitter.com/MinetestProject/status/1027226999335600128?s=09 22:16 VanessaE nice 22:24 Fixer *,,,,,* 22:38 Fixer dynamic liquid is so funny 22:40 Fixer fps impact is dramatically small, compared to older times, not sure how? i5? abm optimisations? mod optimisations? Will be nice to have those realistic liquids on actual servers