Time  Nick        Message
01:21 garywhite   It's really quiet in here, even for the time of day
01:22 rubenwardy  :(
01:23 IhrFussel   Will wielded:get_name() return nil if the player holds an unknown item?
01:28 shivajiva   F5 shows its string so I think it would return something, like the whatisthis command
01:28 shivajiva   not sure what mod that originates from tho
01:29 rubenwardy  no
01:29 rubenwardy  it would return the item name
01:29 rubenwardy  minetest.registered_items[itemname]   would then return nil
01:32 shivajiva   skyblocks is on 0.4 stable, crosses fingers and hopes for the best =)
14:16 benrob0329  Grass: That one texture people keep redoing for MTG
15:54 VanessaE    ~seen tenplus1
15:54 ShadowBot   VanessaE: I saw tenplus1 in #minetest-hub 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 19 seconds ago saying "nite folks o///"
15:56 VanessaE    well by my clock, he's 4 hours late :)
15:58 VanessaE    hm.  need to prod him about a couple of farming_redo oversights I just ran across
17:09 * sofar     rubs eyes
18:09 benrob0329  Krock: to pebble or not to pebble, that is the question
18:09 Krock       only major, important questions here. I see.
18:10 benrob0329  I say pebbles
18:10 benrob0329  It makes the dirt a bit more interesting
18:11 Krock       time to study some psychology and philosophy
18:11 Krock       only with these one can be able to answer your well thought and deep question
18:14 IhrFussel   is a nodetimer_interval of 0.2 even necessary? Would a lot break if I set mine to 1?
18:14 IhrFussel   I feel like no timer depends on decimals
18:14 Krock       hello IhrFussel
18:15 Krock       IhrFussel: they use floats
18:15 Krock       so 0.2 and even 0.000002 should work as intended
18:16 IhrFussel   Yes but I mean is 0.2 not a bit heavy? And would most nodes still work correctly if I set it to 1.0?
18:16 IhrFussel   And hello =)
18:16 Krock       ooh. m_active_blocks_nodemetadata_interval
18:16 Krock       there's a setting for it
18:17 IhrFussel   Yes and default is 0.2
18:17 Krock       well, timed actions might be less accurate
18:17 Krock       but since they will be triggered anyway you can increase that to 1.0 if you want
18:18 Krock       feel free to measure the execution time and profile the average if it's a concern
18:19 IhrFussel   I thought you could tell me if there's a performance impact when I leave it at 0.2 ... ABM intervals are set to 1
18:21 Krock       your lags will have larger pikes
18:21 Krock       since they're not spread among smaller steps
18:22 Krock       same as with the map save interval. save it too often and it'll waste too much disk I/O and time, save it too rarely and too much will have to be written at once
18:24 IhrFussel   So setting it lower means less lag? And the compute time for the nodetimers is redundant?
18:24 IhrFussel   less larger lags*
18:26 Krock       dunno how high the nodetimer impact is. should at least be quite small
19:18 tenplus1    hi folks :)
19:18 tenplus1    hey Krock
19:19 Krock       hi tenplus1
19:19 tenplus1    :P
19:19 tenplus1    I has an idea for dropped items :D
19:22 Mr_Pardison some go boom? :D
19:22 tenplus1    hi mister :)
19:23 tenplus1    sorta...  was thinking a dropped_in and dropped_on function that's called if true
19:23 tenplus1    e.g.   salt dropped in river water turns it into sea water for instance
19:23 tenplus1    hi Vanessa
19:23 Mr_Pardison ineteresting.
19:24 Mr_Pardison *interesting
19:24 tenplus1    so that modders can create special items that you drop into or onto certain things to do something :)
19:24 VanessaE_   hi
19:24 tenplus1    this also means that cauldron nodes you can fit items inside can be used for all sorts of business :D
19:25 VanessaE_   tenplus1: you have a forum message to read :)
19:25 tenplus1    ooh, checking...
19:25 VanessaE    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9019&p=328195#p328195
19:26 VanessaE    that (split) was strange...
19:27 tenplus1    ooh thanks Vanessa, will read and see what changes I can make :)
19:27 VanessaE    MAKE ALL THE CHANGES! "\:D/
19:27 VanessaE    :)
19:27 tenplus1    ehehe, we have banana pie in pie mod :P but yeah, need more banana recipes
19:31 tenplus1    VanessaE: farming_plus carrot has an alias set in farming redo ?
19:31 VanessaE    apparently something is missing there.
19:32 tenplus1    https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/Farming/src/master/compatibility.lua#L51
19:32 VanessaE    hm, I'll investigate that more later.  it's from a user report.
19:33 VanessaE    also,
19:33 VanessaE    um...
19:33 VanessaE    https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/Farming/src/master/compatibility.lua#L64    why?
19:34 tenplus1    lol, cause orange is in ethereal and grows as tree and not bushel, I replace the crop variant with tomato and keep the orange fruit intact
19:34 VanessaE    I'll happily agree that orange "bushes" was dumb :)
19:34 VanessaE    ok.
19:34 tenplus1    :P
19:35 tenplus1    any chance of remaking moretrees into say a more_tree's mini version with smaller trees ?
19:35 VanessaE    there already is such a mod
19:35 VanessaE    I think bas080 made it
19:35 tenplus1    ? what where when ?
19:35 VanessaE    tiny trees or some such
19:35 tenplus1    ohhh, checking
19:35 VanessaE    idk how much it supports though
19:36 tenplus1    er... it builds the tree node by node... will skip it
19:36 VanessaE    ok.
19:36 tenplus1    am thinking more like a few schems per tree around the same size as default one's
19:37 VanessaE    oh, I know of no such mod like that
19:37 VanessaE    however I'm not against extending moretrees to do something like that
19:38 tenplus1    having extra tree's is great, but humungous one's that overshadow the player is scarey :D
19:38 VanessaE    (could be a feature to enable/disable in the config, along with large trees)
19:38 tenplus1    also bushes sugar item can be used in recipes since it has the food_sugar=1 group, same as farming sugar, so it's all good
19:39 VanessaE    You should hide one of them
19:39 VanessaE    (whichever one the engine "ignores" due to the alias)
19:39 tenplus1    the alias in bushes_classic ?
19:40 VanessaE    I mean if I `/giveme foo` and the engine gives me bar, then foo should be hidden from the inventory.
19:40 VanessaE    having two options confuses the n00bs :)
19:41 tenplus1    I have no alias set... bushes:sugar and farming:sugar are two separate items that can both be used in same recipes because of group, they also have 2 diff. recipes
19:41 VanessaE    hm
19:43 VanessaE    well having two recipes is kinda meh.  which mod gets loaded second?
19:43 tenplus1    yours
19:43 tenplus1    want me to add a check for farming:sugar and set alias if found ?
19:44 VanessaE    if mine loads second, then Leave yours be; I'll add an override to bushes to defer to your recipe/item
19:45 tenplus1    if minetest.registered_nodes["farming:sugar"] then (hide recipe for bushes:sugar) end
19:45 tenplus1    :P
19:45 VanessaE    yeah, something like that
19:46 tenplus1    testing now
19:49 VanessaE    https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ZPxxSmj8Hd/
19:50 VanessaE    hm, I see an old alias in there related to carrot seeds, I'll remove it in a separate commit
19:52 tenplus1    https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/B8ygkGFphM/
19:54 VanessaE    well that'll work too, but I prefer to check for the item specifically :)
19:55 VanessaE    pushed.
19:56 tenplus1    :p
19:59 VanessaE    it's registered_items[] btw. :)
20:00 tenplus1    I know, was just typing too quick :)
20:02 IhrFussel   Just to make sure: Wielded items cannot be nil and the engine knows their :get_name() even if the items themselves are not registered anymore?
20:02 tenplus1    ?
20:03 tenplus1    re-phrase that question fussel
20:04 IhrFussel   When I get clicker:get_wielded_item() I wanna know if it's possible that :get_name() returns nil or anything that could cause a crash when I later do a string comparison
20:04 tenplus1    should return "" for empty hand so should never be nil
20:04 tenplus1    do a test and make sure though
20:05 IhrFussel   Yes but what if the wielded item is unknown... is the stack name still existent?
20:05 VanessaE    tenplus1: anyways, what say you about the other items in my list?
20:06 tenplus1    fussel, hold on, will test it out
20:06 tenplus1    still returns the actual name of the unknown node
20:07 Krock       farming.mod and farming.mod =="redo"
20:07 Krock       can be shortened to  farming.mod =="redo"
20:07 tenplus1    gotta check if farming.mod exists first Krock, default farming doesnt contain it
20:07 Krock       tenplus1: doesn't matter
20:08 Krock       nil ~= "redo"  would be the other case
20:08 Krock       * nil == "redo"
20:08 Krock       which evaluates to false too
20:08 tenplus1    hrm, am sure it error'd before when I missed that one out... :P
20:09 VanessaE    it would if you left out the "if farming and..." part.
20:10 tenplus1    heh, working :)
20:13 tenplus1    updated to make cocoa pods non-walkable, will go through list and tweak things here and there on my next day off :D
20:13 tenplus1    thinking of banana additions
20:13 VanessaE    :D
20:13 VanessaE    any commentary on the other suggestions?
20:13 tenplus1    pumpkin and melon will take time tho, gotta redo textuers
20:13 VanessaE    oh btw, maybe banana bread instead of a pie.
20:13 tenplus1    all valid suggestions :)
20:14 tenplus1    I have banana bread already added
20:14 VanessaE    oh ok
20:14 tenplus1    in ethereal that is
20:14 benrob0329  O/ tenplus1, VanessaE
20:14 tenplus1    hi benrob
20:14 VanessaE    then I guess you know what to import :)
20:14 VanessaE    hi ben
20:17 VanessaE    if you want, I can model rudementary pumpkin and melon meshes, unless you'd rather stick with nodeboxes.
20:17 tenplus1    prefer simple nodeboxes :)
20:17 VanessaE    ok
20:17 tenplus1    To that end, farming:pumpkin exists (as a full cube), but it does not grow from farming:pumpkin_* -- I think they used to spawn randomly at mapgen time.
20:17 VanessaE    maybe I'll do that in my dreambuilder overrides.
20:18 tenplus1    how do you mean does not grow from farming:pumpkin_*
20:18 VanessaE    I mean growing pumpkins stops at pumpkin_8, never producing farming:pumpkin
20:18 tenplus1    yeah, you harvest pumpkin to get slices, 9x slices = 1 whole block pumpkin to build with
20:19 VanessaE    eh........
20:19 VanessaE    no. :)
20:19 tenplus1    was keeping pumpkin block separate from the crop, mistake ??
20:20 VanessaE    imho yes
20:21 tenplus1    heh
20:21 tenplus1    ok, will make a pumpkin block grow bigger
20:22 VanessaE    I'd just replace the current pumpkin_* with the block, which is how it used to be
20:22 VanessaE    er
20:22 VanessaE    pumpkin_8
20:22 tenplus1    ?
20:23 VanessaE    I'd just replace the current pumpkin_8 with the block pumpkin, which is how it used to be in farming_plus
20:23 VanessaE    that also gets into the multiple sizes of nodebox-based nodes.
20:23 tenplus1    ahh ok
20:23 Bobr_       o/ ten
20:24 tenplus1    hi bob
20:27 tenplus1    VanessaE: so when pumpkin_8 is nodebox, harvesting now will give slices instead of whole pumpkin
20:27 tenplus1    that ok ?
20:28 VanessaE    imho give the player the whole cube, let them cut into slices (craft block + sword, return sword  ? )
20:29 tenplus1    we have utensils in farming now, so chopping board would be handy
20:29 VanessaE    anything less than _8 could give slices right away maybe
20:35 tenplus1    k, _9 gives whole block, to make into slices for eating of re-planting you craft pumpkin + cutting board = 9x slices and returns board :) hows that ?
20:35 VanessaE    sounds good to me
20:36 tenplus1    kewl :D updating git
20:37 VanessaE    +1
20:39 tenplus1    :P
20:43 tenplus1    did same with melons, need chopping board to cut those also
20:44 VanessaE    nice
20:45 tenplus1    gives more uses for utensils now :D
20:47 tenplus1    o/ CWz
20:47 tenplus1    updating Xanadu now with farming changes
20:49 Mr_Pardison I hopped on there the other day and it looked great as always.
20:55 VanessaE    tenplus1: your changes up to "fix melon drop" will go live on my servers at the morning cycle
20:56 tenplus1    git updated
21:01 tenplus1    nite folks