Time  Nick           Message
03:00 Megaf          ?
08:20 Tenplus1       hi folks
08:30 Tenplus1       hi Krock
08:30 Krock          hi Tenplus1
08:30 Krock          :'(
08:30 Tenplus1       :P
08:42 Krock          ?
08:43 Tenplus1       whassat ?
08:45 Krock          tux
08:45 Tenplus1       yay penguin power
08:45 Tenplus1       I like tux
08:45 Tenplus1       maybe we should add tux instead of nyan cat in minetest
08:51 lumberJ        how about a tux mob that attacks players on windows clients
08:51 Tenplus1       ahaha yeah, that'd be so funny :)   hi lumberJ
08:52 lumberJ        morning
08:56 Tenplus1       I have a user who posted an issue with Mobs Redo saying it crashes his 0.4.15 game :PPP lol
09:05 Krock          well.. there's moo gnu
09:05 Krock          Tenplus1: that's why I sometimes add checks at the beginning of my init.lua file to throw an error when the game is too old
09:06 Tenplus1       heh yeah, I gotta redo the textures one day, was a quick scribble that day
09:06 Tenplus1       I posted on the forum for mobs redo that it requires 0.4.16 and above to run, but no-one seems to read that
09:07 Tenplus1       wb Fuchs
09:07 Krock          however, errors are read :)
09:07 Tenplus1       good point
09:07 Tenplus1       what do you usually add to test for 0.4.16 and over
09:07 Krock          yet I didn't have any such "doesnt work" report on these mods
09:07 Krock          if not minetest.settings then error("<here>") end
09:08 Tenplus1       sweet, thanks dude
09:08 Krock          I think you already use these calls in the mod
09:08 Tenplus1       at the start,yes, which is why I caught his error and knew he was using an older version
09:08 Tenplus1       https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/mobs_redo/issues/5
09:09 Krock          heh. the solution is so simple :D
09:09 Tenplus1       although he does claim that it gives the same error in debian'#s 0.4.17.1 which cannot be...
09:09 Krock          surely can't be the same error
09:09 Tenplus1       same error, but I dont think he has 0.4.17 installed properly
09:14 Krock          minetest --version helps in such cases
09:14 Tenplus1       having a minetest.version string would be very handy
09:18 lumberJ        what do you mean by debian's 0.4.17.1 ? fairly sure debians repos aren't that up to date
09:19 Tenplus1       Same error with Debian Stretch minetest 0.4.17.1+repack-1
09:19 Tenplus1       maybe he has backports active
09:21 lumberJ        ah, could be
09:22 Tenplus1       api definitely works thought cause am using same version on xanadu
09:24 shivajiva      you could code it for both settings types :)
09:25 Tenplus1       hi shiva...  many of the new 0.4.16 functions and changes are in use so would be quite hard
09:25 Tenplus1       the old getpos, getvelocity etc has been changed to newer get_pos get_velocity etc
09:25 Tenplus1       0.4.16 should be the BASE for mods from here on in
09:25 Tenplus1       until 0.5appears
09:27 Krock          Tenplus1: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3332
09:28 shivajiva      Hi tenplus, yea up to now I've only had to support settings, guess you will have to tag the compatibility to the version
09:28 Tenplus1       kewl, returns a table with parts instead of string... not bad
09:28 Tenplus1       forum stated 0.4.16 and above for mods that need it
09:28 Tenplus1       will prolly need to make this easier to see I think
09:29 shivajiva      yea but they don't read the bit's they don't want to see
09:29 Krock          well, an integer format would be much handier there
09:29 Tenplus1       yes, forget the strings, return 0.416 or 0.417
09:29 Krock          wat
09:30 Krock          Tenplus1: really? you're provoking the hail lord of floating point imprecision there
09:30 Tenplus1       lolol
09:31 Krock          rather thought of 000417 or 0x000411 for 0.4.17
09:32 shivajiva      anyone else think screwdriver should honour protection_bypass
09:32 Tenplus1       it does
09:32 Tenplus1       https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/screwdriver/init.lua#L90
09:33 Tenplus1       that checks for protection and the mod used (protector redo, areas etc) will always let protection_bypass users through
09:34 shivajiva      not the case on my server
09:34 Tenplus1       what version of minetest and protection mod you using ?
09:35 Krock          *what version of minetest_game ..
09:35 Tenplus1       https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/protector/src/master/init.lua#L191 the line that checks for priv
09:36 Krock          simple_protection checks for that too, but I doubt that you're using it :3
09:36 Tenplus1       what protection mod you using shiva ?
09:37 shivajiva      it's fairly old and the issue is with areas
09:37 Tenplus1       time to update :D
09:43 Tenplus1       hi CWz
09:44 CWz            Ello
09:45 Tenplus1       wb
09:45 lumberJ        thanks
09:48 lumberJ        is areas not being maintained or its an old version, shivajiva?
09:49 Tenplus1       it's a year old
09:49 Tenplus1       https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas
09:51 Tenplus1       it's looking for the "areas" priv and not the protection_bypass one
09:51 Tenplus1       https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas/blob/master/api.lua#L72
09:51 Tenplus1       this should read: if minetest.check_player_privs(name, self.adminPrivs) or minetest.check_player_privs(name, "protection_bypass) then
09:53 Tenplus1       *"
10:02 * Sokomine     started a new test world and stares at a tree
10:02 Tenplus1       hi Sokomine... is it a nice tree ?
10:06 Sokomine       depends...it looked pretty average for a tree. but it was a nice landscape
10:07 Tenplus1       :P
10:09 shivajiva      thanks ten :)
10:11 Tenplus1       hope it helps
10:13 Tenplus1       hi fixer
10:13 Fixer          hello
11:03 Krock          Is anyone interested in exploring another 2014-ish testing world with some skyscrapers?
11:06 Tenplus1       2014, wow that's an old world :P
11:16 Krock          !up ente.kak.si 34617
11:16 MinetestBot    ente.kak.si:34617 is up (33ms)
11:18 * Krock        shakes fist at 3dforniture. using undocumented functions
11:19 Tenplus1       lol
11:19 Tenplus1       wasnt that merged into homedecor ?
11:21 Krock          yes. but that happened afterwards
11:21 Krock          old, old code..
11:22 Tenplus1       2004 mods... ekk
11:22 Krock          minetest existed in 2004?
11:22 Tenplus1       er... 2014 even :P
11:22 Tenplus1       forgot the 1
11:23 Krock          possibly I used the mod because it didn't register too much content since I wanted to keep it simple
11:23 Tenplus1       xdecor ? :P
11:23 Tenplus1       and now we have mom & pops furniture mod :D
11:27 Krock          Tenplus1: xdecor is newer. https://github.com/minetest-mods/xdecor/commit/5559031a0f
11:29 Krock          maybe there was an older version somewhere around - but it surely wasn't that popular back then :D
11:29 Tenplus1       not back then, no
11:38 * Sokomine     rescues some old tables and chairs from krock
11:39 Sokomine       3dforniture was used for a long time. i still think some of its nodes ought to be part of default mtg. it felt so good back then to have tables and chairs instead of stairs to sit on. stairs are far too uncomftable for sitting!
11:41 Tenplus1       lol
11:44 Krock          hah indeed :)
11:44 Tenplus1       I usually build sofas and chairs using stair blocks :P
11:44 Tenplus1       more like lego rather than specially built pieces ;'D
12:31 Tenplus1       hi longer
12:31 longerstaff13  o/
12:33 Fixer          2014 is not old at all
12:34 Tenplus1       :P
12:41 Krock          > * OvidiuS21 has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
12:41 Krock          dumb bot
12:42 Krock          joining a moderated channel
12:47 VanessaE       Krock: homedecor re-implemented almost all of 3dforniture.
12:47 VanessaE       use its nodes instead. better license too.
12:47 VanessaE       (about all I left out were the round trunks)
12:47 Tenplus1       o/ Vanessa
12:47 VanessaE       hi
12:48 Tenplus1       round trunks are ok for decoration, but square is better for building :P
12:48 VanessaE       my servers have a mod that provides both
12:49 VanessaE       (for exactly that reason)
13:15 Tenplus1       brb
13:16 tenplus1       back
13:20 tenplus1       Q. is there anything else you would like to see added or changed in Farming Redo ???
13:22 VanessaE       fix the strawberries bug :P
13:24 Fixer          fix mtg bug
13:24 VanessaE       some of my players report that farming redo screws up plantlife/bushes-classic's berries such that they all yield strawberries under certain conditions.
13:24 VanessaE       though I'm not sure what conditions those are.
13:24 tenplus1       wasnt that due to bushes registering farming:strawberry farming:raspberry etc. ?
13:24 VanessaE       I don't remember
13:24 VanessaE       but it worked fine without farming redo :)
13:25 VanessaE       just do me a favor and look into it?
13:25 tenplus1       it was using the farming namespace and overriding items I already had in there, so I added aliases to handle issues
13:25 tenplus1       will check bushes just now :)
13:25 tenplus1       latest on gitlab ?
13:25 VanessaE       yeah
13:27 VanessaE       if I remember right, the basic usage is if you dig a bush by hand, you get its berries and the bush stays in the ground (but you also get a bush occasionally, to allow them to be farmed).  use a shovel and you dig-up the bush entirely.  use a sword and you get sticks.  pickaxe destroys the bush.
13:27 VanessaE       I think.
13:28 tenplus1       bushes_classic is the one with fruits, checking...
13:28 VanessaE       yup.
13:28 VanessaE       it may be a false alarm, but you're more qualified than me here :)
13:29 VanessaE       (also if you plant a bush on hoed, wet soil, it'll re-grow its berries faster than on plain dirt/grass)
13:29 tenplus1       kewl :)
13:29 tenplus1       so farming them on decent soil will assist in food production :)
13:30 VanessaE       yep :)
13:34 tenplus1       yeah, the cooking.lua registers craftitems under the name of farming_plus: and farming: which my mod detects and runs an alias for
13:34 tenplus1       if you use the food_? groups that ruben setup then recipes will be a lot easier for all mods that use them :D
13:37 VanessaE       PR welcome ;)
13:37 tenplus1       oh wait, it bneeds biome_lib to run ?
13:37 VanessaE       yeah
13:37 tenplus1       damn, so many dependencies for a bush
13:38 VanessaE       heh
13:38 VanessaE       ONE dependency :)
13:39 VanessaE       ok, two.  an i18n lib :P
13:39 tenplus1       yeah, saw that :P
13:42 tenplus1       lol
13:44 VanessaE       I wouldn't know, I didn't listen to it :P
13:46 VanessaE       heh
13:46 tenplus1       wb cwz
13:46 VanessaE       the same can be said for any classic rock song :)
13:47 tenplus1       not bad song
13:47 CWz            i wonder if there could be a river dance mod for minetest
13:47 tenplus1       VanessaE: I think that if farming_plus is detected then the fruits shoudl have the {food_strawberry=1} etc. groups added to them
13:47 VanessaE       *tries to imagine Minetest Sam riverdancing..*
13:47 tenplus1       farming redo already has that, and bushes_classic can add it to their own berries so no matter which one you get, the recipes all work
13:48 Krock          CWz: how would that river dance look like?
13:48 VanessaE       well I don't really give any credence to farming_plus anymore, badly obsolete and anyway abaondonware
13:48 VanessaE       -o
13:48 tenplus1       just incase anyone is still using it, a quick override will fix it
13:51 VanessaE       meh
13:51 tenplus1       lol
13:52 VanessaE       you may as well be asking me to support madblocks ocd :)
13:53 tenplus1       what's that ?
13:53 tenplus1       dont htink I've seen that one
13:53 VanessaE       a mod mauvebic made back in the early 0.4.x days.
13:54 tenplus1       will check into it after changes :P
13:54 VanessaE       it's long gone.  he ragequit many many moons ago
13:54 tenplus1       what happened ?
13:55 VanessaE       beats me.  disagreement over forum mod licensing I think.
13:55 tenplus1       ohh, we've had a few ragequit mt
13:55 VanessaE       been way too long since then
13:55 VanessaE       point being, that mod's just as obsolete and abandoned ;)
13:55 VanessaE       (if you can even *find* it)
13:56 tenplus1       lol
13:56 tenplus1       man, these bushes take forever to grow
13:56 VanessaE       I know. :)
13:57 VanessaE       *looks at empty pizza box on desk, ponders making another...*
14:04 tenplus1       hi raven
14:04 Raven262       Hi ten
14:11 tenplus1       hi DI3HARD139
14:11 DI3HARD139     Hello tenplus1
14:12 CWz            I wonder if DI3HARD139 is still an server owner
14:12 DI3HARD139     Yes and no.
14:13 DI3HARD139     None of the worlds I own are online atm. I am allowing select users to utilize idle server resources.
14:23 tenplus1       VanessaE: https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/plantlife_modpack/merge_requests/1
14:25 IcyDiamond     So, say I have a custom register_node function, and inside it I defined a function for on_timer. Would it be better to define the timer function outside of the register function? Would the function be used by reference then?
14:25 IcyDiamond     In all subsequent nodedefs
14:26 tenplus1       depends how simple or complicated the on_timer is...
14:26 tenplus1       generally outside if it's very long
14:26 IcyDiamond     Or is it already used by reference
14:26 IcyDiamond     It's copied, right?
14:26 tenplus1       yeah
14:26 IcyDiamond     Okay
14:27 tenplus1       function first then node containing it after
14:27 IcyDiamond     Well all of my timers are pretty long
14:27 tenplus1       :P
14:27 IcyDiamond     XD
14:27 VanessaE       tenplus1: it works okay?
14:27 tenplus1       yeah, just tested a few times
14:27 VanessaE       ok.
14:27 VanessaE       merged.
14:27 tenplus1       recipes work with berries from farming_plus, farming redo and bushes
14:28 tenplus1       food_ groups added to those that need it so bushes berries are compatible with other mods' recipes also
14:28 tenplus1       and I've updated farming redo and ethereal with groups to be used for recipes also :D
14:29 VanessaE       it'll go live on my servers at the usual morning reboot cycle.
14:29 tenplus1       kewl :)
14:29 tenplus1       it'll be a pie morning
14:33 VanessaE       (updated farming_redo for the servers also)
14:33 tenplus1       schweet
14:33 VanessaE       if it breaks, I'll just kick your ass ;)
14:33 tenplus1       o.O
14:34 VanessaE       no big deal ;)
14:34 tenplus1       ehehe, shoudl work fine :D
14:38 * CWz          feels like making mod that bestows buck teeth on players who get smacked with a sapling
14:39 tenplus1       am still toying with idea of HATS mod with simple hat models to use and api for own model/textures
14:39 tenplus1       could totally add buck teeth, big nose and moustache there :D
14:40 CWz            but would it be obtained by being smacked with sapling upon one head
14:40 tenplus1       it could be :D
14:40 tenplus1       hats.apply hats.remove functions can be added :D
14:50 tenplus1       would be fun to have random hats found in treasure chests, special items that apply them and lucky blocks :D
14:50 rud0lf         hats.off
14:50 rud0lf         what about fireworks?
14:50 tenplus1       hi rud0lf, yeah that's better... hats.on  hats.off
14:50 tenplus1       we already have fireworks mod
14:50 rud0lf         apply/remove is Minetest Enterprise Edition
14:51 rud0lf         minetest.hats_action_factory.acquire("off").apply()
14:53 tenplus1       lol
15:07 IcyDiamond     rubenwardy: its impossible to add dependencies to a package on contentdb via the Edit form
15:08 IcyDiamond     rubenwardy: enter submits the form and clicking away doesnt save the dependency in the list either
15:09 IcyDiamond     https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-08-12-18:08:46.png no way to add "tubelib" to this list
15:10 rubenwardy     Comma
15:10 * tenplus1     bluetacs a postit note with "tubelib" written on it
15:11 IcyDiamond     oh okay
15:11 IcyDiamond     thanks
15:11 IcyDiamond     tenplus1: :D
15:11 rubenwardy     I need to add something that doesn't let you submit if there's something left there
15:11 rubenwardy     And tells you to type comma maybe
15:11 rubenwardy     Or allow clicking on a new thing on the drop down
15:12 IcyDiamond     yeah
15:13 rubenwardy     If you take a look at the html, you'll see there's a hidden text field with something like      foo,bar,rubenwardy/awards,tubelib
15:14 rubenwardy     So the field you're typing in is never sent to the server
15:14 IcyDiamond     ah cool, yeah i didn't look at the source
15:26 tenplus1       hi mister
15:26 Mr_Pardison    ahoy-hoy!
15:38 Krock          ree
15:40 tenplus1       wb
15:44 Krock          ty
15:47 tenplus1       o/ fussel
15:47 IhrFussel      Is there a fish mod (compatible with mobs redo) where I can easiy extracts just ONE fish that spawns in water?
15:48 IhrFussel      I need just one fish for food (cat, penguin)
15:48 tenplus1       yes, underwater_mobs... link is in mobs redo 1st post
15:48 tenplus1       you using ethereal ?
15:48 IhrFussel      Nope...depends on it?
15:48 tenplus1       no no, the fishing rod has fish that works on cat./penguin
15:49 tenplus1       kitty can eat rats tho, pengion does need something else
15:49 Sokomine       hm, yes, there are those fishes which swim underwater and can be caught by hand
15:49 IhrFussel      I need no rod just a fish that randomly spawns in water and can be catched (like rats) by hand
15:49 IhrFussel      It's just a simple food source nothing more
15:49 IhrFussel      caught*
15:50 tenplus1       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12652
15:50 Megaf          Morning tenplus1
15:50 Megaf          I mean
15:50 tenplus1       o/ Megaf
15:50 Megaf          Afternoon
15:50 tenplus1       :P
15:50 Megaf          G'Day All
15:50 Krock          morning Megaf
15:50 Megaf          (and weare even in the same timezone)
15:51 Megaf          Krock: and you are one hour ahead, it's afternoon :P
15:51 tenplus1       is evening here :D
15:51 Megaf          where are you?
15:51 tenplus1       scotland
15:51 Krock          oh I see. good afternoon then
15:51 Megaf          17:51 right?
15:51 * Krock        gives Megaf  /ctcp tenplus1 time
15:51 tenplus1       16:51
15:51 Megaf          I mean
15:52 Megaf          17:52 for Krock
15:52 Megaf          tenplus1 is 16:52, same timzone as me
15:52 Megaf          and I don't consider that evening
15:52 Megaf          evening is like, 18:00+
15:52 Megaf          isn it?
15:52 Krock          yes
15:53 tenplus1       google says afternoon is 12 to 5pm, after that it's evening... aww, 8 mins short :D
15:53 * Megaf        looks around looking for OPs who don't like off topic
15:53 * Megaf        finds done
15:53 Megaf          we safe
15:53 Megaf          anone here good with wordpress and apache and stuff?
15:54 Krock          Megaf: ehem. they have access to the logs
15:54 Krock          consider using [off][offtopic] msg here
15:55 Megaf          Folks, why you no join -Chat to talk offtpic?
15:55 Megaf          and keep -Hub for MT related
15:55 * tenplus1     doesnt like hanging around too many channels
15:55 Megaf          I ain't doing much MT these days, I have nothing MT to talk about...
15:55 Krock          wow IcyDiamond you're really on track to provide the best 5.0.0 mod
15:55 Megaf          !server Megaf
15:55 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 14ms
15:56 Krock          I don't want to join yet another channel just to idle
15:56 Megaf          so leave a channel you are already in and join -Chat...
15:56 Krock          3.5 idling channels are enough
15:56 Krock          (on freenode)
15:56 Megaf          I am on the limit of channes one can be on Freenode...
15:57 IhrFussel      tenplus1, do I need .blend and .xcf files?
15:57 tenplus1       no, those are model and texture for blender
15:58 tenplus1       just the .x or .b3d file
15:58 IhrFussel      Okay good cause that base folder takes alone 5 MB
15:58 tenplus1       heh yup, some mobs mods are kinda huge
15:59 tenplus1       I have the new Cow model from ApireMint which is great, but the model is 3mb on it's own...
15:59 tenplus1       the whole of mobs_animals is 1.6 only
15:59 IhrFussel      I mean those .blend and .xcf files took 5 MB the actual meshes are <500 KB
16:00 IhrFussel      Kinda weird to include the base files in the release
16:00 tenplus1       handy if you wanna work off those and make newer mobs
16:05 Krock          but low-poly models don't look too great either :(
16:05 tenplus1       true...  the fish I use on xanadu are 2d sprites with the inventory texture on either side :) works just as well
16:08 IhrFussel      Do walruses eat fish too? I can't tell right now
16:08 tenplus1       never used them, checking
16:08 IhrFussel      I mean in the wild xP
16:08 tenplus1       ohh, yes
17:12 Sokomine       IhrFussels server has a huge walrus population. i'm afraid they'd soon eat all oceans empty
17:13 Mr_Pardison    Sokomine: if they eat the oceans empty, then they will die out.
17:13 Mr_Pardison    Nature eventually balances out.
17:35 tenplus1       o/ Gael-de-Sailly
17:36 Gael-de-Sailly Hi tenplus1
17:44 IhrFussel      Can it be that sauth ignores minetest.player_exists() ???
17:45 IhrFussel      shivajiva ^
17:47 IhrFussel      minetest.player_exists() uses return minetest.get_auth_handler().get_auth(name) ~= nil
17:55 IhrFussel      Wait...it might just be the areas mod that got a bug (at least in my version)
17:59 tenplus1       areas mod needs a wee tlc
18:01 IhrFussel      I fixed the check with this code in internal.lua ... maybe there's a better way https://pastebin.com/LR7pLcwz
18:03 Krock          return minetest.player_exists(name)  would be shorter btw
18:19 tenplus1       hi bob
18:21 Bobr           hello tenplus1
18:22 tenplus1       any luck with new system?
18:23 Krock          o/ Bobr
18:24 Bobr           tenplus1, it hasnt come yet apparently next day delivery is next friday lol
18:25 tenplus1       damn, shame
18:27 Sokomine       Mr_Pardison: i wouldn't be so sure with these mobs. at least they'll stop throwing hearts and reproducing when there's no more food. but they won't starve either...
18:31 tenplus1       k, seems players have found a new way to glitch the game and go places that are protected
18:31 tenplus1       no matter which mod is doing the protecting
18:32 tenplus1       any devs wanna handle this in pm
18:41 Fixer          haha
18:41 tenplus1       hi fixer
18:41 Fixer          hi
18:41 Fixer          only motivation to do this is money atm
19:14 * Sokomine     gives Fixer a minegeld note
19:20 IhrFussel      tenplus1, not talking about digging and using server lag to glitch through?
19:21 tenplus1       nah, client disconnect issue
19:26 tenplus1       wb
19:28 tenplus1       hi mister
19:28 Bobr           ty
19:30 Mr_Pardison    I got disconnected because the power cord to the lappy got pulled accidentally.
19:31 tenplus1       ouch
19:34 Bobr           tenplus1, think i should complain about this pc
19:35 tenplus1       cause it never came next day ?
19:35 Bobr           yh
19:35 tenplus1       was it free next day ?
19:36 Bobr           it was order within so many hours get it nxt day i understand weekends but if its not here by tommorow ill probs sen them a email
19:37 tenplus1       should be there monday <fingers crossed>
19:37 Bobr           hopefully i checked the delivery hasnt been dispatched :/
19:47 shivajiva      suggesting Tuesday is more viable as the delivery date
19:47 Bobr           i think thell be fridaay
19:48 tenplus1       free delivery is still good though
19:48 tenplus1       something that heavy usually costs around 20-30 quid
19:56 tenplus1       nite folks o///