Time  Nick         Message
05:42 tumeninodes  travis is an asshole... just sayin'
05:47 ANAND        hahaha
05:47 ANAND        I hate Travis too... :P
05:47 VanessaE     hey now, my landlord's a great guy.
05:47 VanessaE     wait, what? :P
05:48 ANAND        XD
05:48 tumeninodes  hahaha
05:48 tumeninodes  he's a poopie head
05:49 ANAND        Why on earth does your landlord validate random commits to random repos on Github tho?
05:49 VanessaE     heh
05:50 tumeninodes  omg Vanessa... why is my indexing so off all the time?! GR
05:50 VanessaE     nfi :)
05:51 tumeninodes  I use text editor, that's why
05:51 VanessaE     hey, at least I added your obsolete-ass mod to dreambuilder ;)
05:51 VanessaE     (facade)
05:51 tumeninodes  my PR looks like shit
05:51 tumeninodes  0_0 holy shit.... you did?
05:51 VanessaE     yep.
05:51 tumeninodes  Thank you ")
05:51 VanessaE     :)
05:52 VanessaE     now Andrey01 can't complain anymore :)
05:52 tumeninodes  oh I see....
05:52 tumeninodes  added it just to get him off your back eh?
05:52 tumeninodes  AWESOME!
05:52 VanessaE     no :)
05:52 tumeninodes  haha
05:53 tumeninodes  ugh... I have to go in and fix all my fucking indents
05:54 tumeninodes  you would think I would learn to take a few to look over my code in a real editor or something
05:54 VanessaE     geany is good for that.
05:54 VanessaE     give it a try sometime
05:55 tumeninodes  I forgot about Geany
05:55 tumeninodes  Ive been using zerobrane :P
05:55 tumeninodes  cuz you know, it and I have much in common
05:56 tumeninodes  geany is actually easier to use if I remember
05:59 tumeninodes  yeh, this is annoying. If I zoom out so I can actually see more then 10 lines, the moment I save, the text zooms back to default
06:12 tumeninodes  What should indentation be set for in geany going by MT/MTG standards?
06:12 VanessaE     tabe are tabs and are 4 spaces wide.
06:12 VanessaE     use tabs to indent, add spaces to align things like tables et. al
06:13 tumeninodes  ah good, that is by default, all set then
06:13 tumeninodes  goodbye zerobrane
06:13 VanessaE     sounds like zerobrane has zero brains :P
06:13 tumeninodes  it's clunky
06:14 VanessaE     could be worse.
06:14 VanessaE     you could be doing your coding in Speedscript :)
06:14 tumeninodes  I should have known better than to install oustide the repo
06:14 tumeninodes  never used it... sounds scary
06:15 VanessaE     it's an old, somewhat obscure app from the Commodore 64, kinda half text editor, half word processor.
06:15 VanessaE     published by Compute! magazine, if memory serves
06:15 tumeninodes  So "speed" is now more of a funny
06:16 tumeninodes  actually saw an old typewriter at the local thrift shop the other day..., everything works. I asked to have it set aside I have to see where I can get ink ribbon for it
06:17 VanessaE     heh, good luck with that
06:17 tumeninodes  I'm sure
06:17 VanessaE     turn it into a steampunk-ish keyboard :)
06:17 tumeninodes  haha
06:17 tumeninodes  that's a thought
06:17 tumeninodes  or i can heat the keys and type on thin wood
06:18 VanessaE     heh
06:18 tumeninodes  it's in amazing shape though
06:18 tumeninodes  I'll use it to type all my friends letters and annoy them
06:19 VanessaE     if you were *really* ambitious, you'd rig up the letter-printing part to act as an old-style letter quality printer, while using the keyboard half as a simple (but stylized) PC keyboard :)
06:19 tumeninodes  and use my wax/seal kit to be even mmore obnoxious
06:19 VanessaE     or better yet:
06:19 VanessaE     let it interpret postscript into ASCII art ;)
06:20 tumeninodes  0_0
06:20 VanessaE     I think you'll need a bit more oomph than an arduino for that though ;)
06:20 tumeninodes  gosh Vanessa... I don;t think I have that much wiring around
06:20 VanessaE     Galco electronics can help with that :P
06:21 VanessaE     (and you get a free insulated coffee mug)
06:21 tumeninodes  oh... that settles then... I'm ordering something... just to get the mug
06:22 tumeninodes  wait.... It's not one of those stupid coffee mittens is it??? :|
06:22 VanessaE     years ago I bought several spools of wire in assorted colors, less than 100 m of wire in total.
06:23 VanessaE     along with said wire they sent a coffee mug, holds about 1.1L (close to 5 US cups)
06:23 tumeninodes  that's a fucking thermos
06:23 tumeninodes  haha
06:23 * VanessaE   looks at her cat and meows at her
06:24 VanessaE     not quite, it's just a big insulated mug :)
06:24 tumeninodes  I have to step out to have a lil cigar.... cuz Ima thug
06:24 tumeninodes  :D
06:25 VanessaE     ick.
06:25 VanessaE     at least chaw on a real cigar, or light a pipe.
06:25 tumeninodes  they are cognac dipped
06:25 tumeninodes  I need a new pipe
06:26 tumeninodes  started making my own some time ago and never finished it.... have no idea where it went
06:26 VanessaE     I don't smoke, and I dislike tobacco in general, but sometimes a good cigar or pipe with good tobacco at least smells nice, compared to cigarettes anyway
06:26 tumeninodes  I always get compliments from people haha
06:27 tumeninodes  one woman at a fair once asked if she could just stand next to me cuz the smell reminded her of her grandfather
06:28 VanessaE     heh
06:28 tumeninodes  cigars are tougher, have to be careful to get them dipped or to have something to dip them into and the right tobacco
06:28 tumeninodes  otherwise they can smell like burning crotch :P
06:28 VanessaE     oh G*d
06:28 VanessaE     TMI :P
06:29 tumeninodes  haha.... Ima let you think on that whilst I go smoke :D
09:02 red-001      having 777 issues open seems neat
09:26 ANAND        heh
10:13 rubenwardy   !mod
10:13 MinetestBot  rubenwardy: Prevent new accounts from joining [nonew] by taikedz - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=19720
10:15 sfan5        rubenwardy: your sitemap could use some more descriptions
10:16 sfan5        e.g. !book abm will not yield results
10:16 rubenwardy   ah, will do
10:16 sfan5        or keywords or whatever
10:16 rubenwardy   description was added as a generic version of keywords
10:17 rubenwardy   `query in keywords` would feel wrong, plus description is more useful
10:22 shivajiva    tumeninodes: https://www.amazon.co.uk/slp/typewriter-ribbons/rny68maum46k6ou
10:24 rubenwardy   Done, will be cached though
10:24 rubenwardy   so may take a few minutes
10:24 rubenwardy   oh no, already works
11:22 xerox123_    Happy Thursday
11:23 rubenwardy   Just realised that the guy that always says "happy *something* day" in #minetest no longer does jt
11:24 rubenwardy   Happy national tapioca dah
11:25 Krock        rubenwardy, yes, it stopped already many months ago
11:25 VanessaE     yeah I miss that
11:25 rubenwardy   :'(
11:25 VanessaE     something "tate" was his name?
11:25 Amaz         JamesTate?
11:25 VanessaE     yeah
11:25 VanessaE     sounds right
11:25 shivajiva    yea that was it
11:25 VanessaE     whatever happened to him?
11:26 xerox123_    :(
11:26 shivajiva    faded away I guess
11:27 VanessaE     :(
11:27 shivajiva    never realised it made everyone smile, thought it was just me
11:29 VanessaE     yeah.
11:32 rubenwardy   :'(
11:33 rubenwardy   jamestait was last seen at 2017-05-11 09:07:23 UTC on #minetest
11:58 Fixer        20008
11:58 Fixer        30008*
11:59 Krock        huh?
11:59 red-001      ?
12:04 VanessaE     he's ribbing me about my building server :P
12:04 VanessaE     for some reason, its server list announce doesn't work most of the time
12:05 sfan5        VanessaE: do you have a custom curl_timeout set?
12:05 VanessaE     (even though it's configured like the other servers and runs from the same build)
12:05 sfan5        if yes, remove that; if not, raise to to e.g. 30
12:05 VanessaE     I don't think so..
12:06 VanessaE     lemme look
12:06 sfan5        i'm seeing lots of announce requests timing out (client closes connection before receiving response) from your server
12:06 VanessaE     ok, I'll up them all.
12:07 VanessaE     (or rather, set them, to 30)
12:08 VanessaE     there, applied.
12:09 VanessaE     (now's a good time, they're all idle)
12:12 VanessaE     well four of 'em are showing up (30001, 30002, 30005, and 30009)
12:12 VanessaE     and...two of them disappeared.
12:13 Fixer        lol
12:14 VanessaE     what's odd is that the three of mine (the fourth was bananaland, CWz's) that were showing up for a minute there aren't even the first ones that started -- or the last.
12:14 VanessaE     it's totally random
12:15 sfan5        hmm still seeing timeouts
12:16 VanessaE     I wonder if it's an artifact of where they're hosted? (france)
12:16 sfan5        shouldn't be
12:16 sfan5        disabled ratelimiting on my side now, maybe that helps
12:16 VanessaE     ok
12:16 sfan5        though nginx should have logged when those limits are hit
12:17 VanessaE     should I reboot them again?
12:17 sfan5        no need
12:17 VanessaE     ok.
12:22 VanessaE     there they are!
12:22 VanessaE     including 30008
12:22 VanessaE     fuck off, Fixer  ;)
12:23 sfan5        hmm guess i should fix the ratelimits then
12:23 sfan5        and find out why nginx isn't logging that
12:23 Fixer        yeah, thanks for the fgix
12:23 Fixer        fix
12:23 VanessaE     thanks indeed :)
12:28 VanessaE     I guess since all my servers shut down and start up in one batch, that must be tripping up the rate limiter then
12:32 sfan5        i'd configured for 10 requests per minute, you only have 6 servers
12:32 sfan5        no idea what happened there
12:32 sfan5        s/10/12 (burst 16)/ actually
12:33 VanessaE     hm
12:35 red-001      how does minetest leak memory so fast?
12:36 red-001      main menu seems to leak 2-5 MiBs per second
12:37 red-001      levels out at 500 MiB but still
12:39 IhrFussel    Does MT support 500 different values with custom hudbars? Players can have up to 500 HP on my server and I want to visualize their HP via a real bar not text
12:54 sfan5        hm looks like nginx does not support ratelimitng in the way i need it
13:13 Krock        tried my best; failed. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20373&p=323347#p323347
13:17 ANAND        Nice storytelling skills lol
13:20 Krock        just looked up whether someone can "prove" whether 1+1 equals 3 .. found one: https://www.quora.com/How-can-you-prove-that-1+1-3?share=1
13:21 xerox123     reply with that
13:21 ANAND        Wow.... XD
13:22 Krock        xerox123, I'd love to but I guess he would be just more upset afterwards for not taking him serious (him or her..)
13:24 ANAND        But did such a conversation really happen?
13:32 Krock        in their imagination, yes.
13:34 sfan5        the best part is that he "doesn't care much", but is still replying
13:36 ANAND        lol
13:36 Krock        clearly a rant so you can't rely on that :3
14:01 xerox123     777 issues open in minetest/minetest
14:08 red-001      "My Lord of the Rings subgame:https://https://wiki.minetest.net/LOTH"
14:08 red-001      twice the https, twice the security
14:10 xerox123     hehe
14:14 IhrFussel    Regarding HUD bars: The position is more reliable than the offset right?
14:15 IhrFussel    I mean the position applies to every screen size
14:20 IhrFussel    The offset can look VERY differently on various resolutions
14:41 IhrFussel    Can someone explain to me how 2 different statbars that use the SAME Y position and SAME Y offset appear at different positions for some players???
14:42 ircSparky    different alignment?
14:42 IhrFussel    Looks like the "size" parameter is *very* important when defining a HUD
14:42 rubenwardy   It depends on the alignment
14:43 ircSparky    rubenwardy, would you know why the maps become completely dark in capturetheflag, apart from the edges of the map?
14:43 rubenwardy   The master branch is broken currently
14:43 IhrFussel    rubenwardy, alignment is the exact same too (-1)
14:44 rubenwardy   That'll be why
14:44 ANAND        rubenwardy: Wasn't the PR merged into the dev branch?
14:44 rubenwardy   No, master
14:44 ircSparky    ok :P
14:44 ANAND        Ah
14:44 IhrFussel    What? Why does the same alignment not work for different stat bars?
14:55 ircSparky    I needed singlenode mapgen
14:55 ircSparky    i think
14:55 ircSparky    nvm
14:55 ircSparky    :P
15:30 IhrFussel    Math geniuses: What's the math I need to always get the same % value from a number? For example if a player has 50 HP then the bar should be 100% at 50 HP, but if the player now got 100 HP then it should only be 100% at 100 HP etc
15:32 ANAND        IhrFussel, you can have a multiplier of sorts
15:32 Krock        math.min(1, current / max) * 100
15:32 ANAND        multiplier = player level
15:57 Grandolf     hi
15:57 Grandolf     im getting an error with mesecons whenever i activate them:
15:57 Grandolf     ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: environment_Step: Runtime error from mod 'mesecons' in callback environment_Step(): ...in/../games/minetest_game/mods/default/functions.lua:563: core.check_player_privs expects a player or playername as argument.
15:58 Grandolf     im not sure why its giving me this error, any ideas?
15:59 Grandolf     i just backported it from 0.5.0, and copied the world folder and mods
16:11 shivajiva    Grandolf: can you just clarify what version of MT ur running and what version of mesecons
16:12 Grandolf     im running a minetest server 0.4.16? and im not sure what version of mesecons
16:12 Krock        then update mesecons now
16:12 Krock        same for Minetest. get 0.4.17.1
16:14 Grandolf     how do i see the server version?
16:14 Krock        minetestserver --version
16:14 Krock        or minetest --version
16:15 shivajiva    the error states mesecons tried to use core.check_player_privs without an argument which is pretty strange as it's always required a name so something else is falling over in mesecons, we wait to see what latest mesecons produces for you error wise
16:16 nerzhul      Minetest 0.4.17.2-beta for android is available: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/net.minetest.minetest please test it
16:16 nerzhul      it's an open beta
16:17 nerzhul      i didn't promoted it to production mode
16:18 shivajiva    okay nrz thank you :)
16:18 nerzhul      but we got 1.7k crash report for 1k users said google
16:19 Grandolf     ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: environment_Step: Runtime error from mod 'mesecons' in callback environment_Step(): ...in/../games/minetest_game/mods/default/functions.lua:563: core.check_player_privs expects a player or playername as argument.
16:19 Grandolf     same error
16:19 nerzhul      in singleplayer ?
16:19 nerzhul      in the apk ?
16:19 Grandolf     no its a server
16:19 Grandolf     PC
16:20 nerzhul      oh, just tell me with: "[ANDROID]" if it's related to the open beta
16:20 nerzhul      :)
16:20 Grandolf     2018-06-28 16:18:24: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback:
16:20 Grandolf     2018-06-28 16:18:24: ERROR[Main]:       [C]: in function 'error'
16:20 Grandolf     2018-06-28 16:18:24: ERROR[Main]:       /home/notroot/minetest/bin/../builtin/game/misc.lua:11: in function 'check_player_privs'
16:20 Grandolf     2018-06-28 16:18:24: ERROR[Main]:       ...in/../games/minetest_game/mods/default/functions.lua:563: in function 'can_interact_with_node'
16:21 ANAND        Grandolf, multi-line logs can be pasted to a paste-bin. Just posting the link here is enough :)
16:23 Grandolf     https://pastebin.com/4LSsJjPc
16:25 Krock        outdated minetest_game
16:25 shivajiva    well we know mesecons doesn't have the issue so check minetest_game
16:25 ANAND        lol, greeter is having the exact same error, and is asking for help on #minetest
16:26 ANAND        Also, why is mesecons installed in minetest_game/mods?
16:26 Grandolf     i put all the mods in there...
16:27 Krock        why do we have a mods/ directory then?
16:27 Krock        don't clutter games with other mods
16:27 shivajiva    I use a worldmods folder to allow diff mods for diff worlds to keep it all separate
16:28 greeter      i can try updating minetest_game again to see if that helps. weird thing is that i'm running two servers and only one of them crashes with this
16:28 Grandolf     i just downloaded my minetest_game a few hours ago
16:29 ANAND        That's not recommended, Grandolf. Don't mess with a game's mod folder. Use minetest/mods or world/<world_name>/worldmods
16:29 shivajiva    do you specify the mod folder on the command line when you start it Grandolf?
16:29 Grandolf     no
16:29 rubenwardy   I'd recommend it on a server as you can then use git to manage it and test it locally
16:31 shivajiva    mtg has a backport did you use that?
16:32 Krock        Grandolf, did you download stable-0.4 or just MTG directly from the main page?
16:32 Krock        for the latter it would be the 5.0-dev version
16:32 Grandolf     stable 0.4
16:33 Grandolf     i followed this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17927
16:40 rubenwardy   !book abm
16:40 MinetestBot  rubenwardy: Active Block Modifiers - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/chapters/abms.html
16:40 rubenwardy   yay
16:40 rubenwardy   oh no, I'm now gonna get pinged loads :'(
16:41 ANAND        XD
16:41 Krock        !book '; DROP TABLE data
16:41 MinetestBot  Krock: Nothing found.
16:42 srifqi       !book abm
16:42 shivajiva    Grandolf: make a worldmods folder within your world and put the mods you want to use in there and specify it on start, let us know what happens
16:42 MinetestBot  srifqi: Active Block Modifiers - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/chapters/abms.html
16:43 srifqi       Krock: failed? :)
16:43 Krock        srifqi, didn't expect success
16:43 rubenwardy   plot twist: it always returns that
16:44 srifqi       :O
16:45 shivajiva    hmm no need to specify, if you run minetestserver I think it looks in that folder first?
16:46 greeter      hmm updated minetest_game but i still get the same error. only way to keep the server from crashing is to disable technic_chests. wonder if there's an update for it that might fix things
16:46 Grandolf     ok
16:48 Krock        if you get the same error on the same code line, then you didn't update it correctly
16:48 shivajiva    greeter: do you have a line it fails on in tecnic_chests?
16:49 greeter      it seems to fail on line 31
16:50 greeter      sorry line 31 of common.lua
16:52 IhrFussel    https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/blob/master/technic_chests/common.lua#L31
16:52 greeter      thank you IhrFussel
16:54 Krock        well, that doesn't help further because the caller function is now known. An entire backtrace is needed to know where this invalid argument is coming from
16:55 greeter      https://pastebin.com/akckn5U9 like this one?
16:55 IhrFussel    My guess is either player or pos is nil
16:55 greeter      that's what i figure too. i can't tell where those get initialized though :-S course i've never been good at that sort of thing
16:56 IhrFussel    https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/search?q=inv_change&unscoped_q=inv_change
16:57 Grandolf     im getting the same error still
16:57 IhrFussel    Possibly machines mod
16:57 Grandolf     and my traceback is identical to greeters
16:58 IhrFussel    Try to disable machines for testing
16:58 Krock        the glorious code in mesecons makes it hard to find the actual source
16:58 shivajiva    ^
16:58 greeter      alright
16:59 Krock        oh
16:59 Krock        pipeworks actually implements a fake player object
16:59 greeter      i don't seem to have a machines mod :-S
16:59 Krock        but it's not a player
17:00 greeter      disabling pipeworks causes it not to crash too
17:01 greeter      brb, got laundry to look after
17:01 Grandolf     so is it pipeworks thats causeing the crash?
17:02 shivajiva    disable and confirm
17:05 Grandolf     i diabled technic and its working now
17:05 greeter      i disabled pipeworks and it's now working
17:05 Grandolf     technic depends on pipeworks
17:05 Grandolf     iirc
17:05 greeter      hmm let me see
17:06 greeter      i can't tell actually. going to log into the server and see if technic is broken or not
17:07 * greeter    smacks head
17:07 greeter      couldn't figure out why my server wasn't working. forgot i messed with the dns records today
17:07 shivajiva    :O
17:08 greeter      lol that makes a difference if you're not getting a DNS lookup failure :-P
17:09 greeter      hmm i get a ton of unknown nodes without pipeworks
17:09 greeter      though technic still seems to work
17:10 shivajiva    the fake player would be a bit of an issue
17:10 greeter      indeed
17:12 Grandolf     hm
17:12 Grandolf     crash only seems to happen when useing pipeworks and technic chests
17:12 greeter      indeed. if technic_chests is disabled things seem to work
17:13 shivajiva    so we have a culprit
17:13 greeter      i'm running another server that uses both though and there's no issues. so i suspect there's more to it than that. something is happening in game which is triggering the crash
17:13 Grandolf     hm
17:14 shivajiva    yea why is the fake player now detected for the check
17:15 Grandolf     crash only seems to affect a few machines
17:15 Grandolf     greeter do you use currency mod?
17:15 greeter      yes
17:15 Grandolf     testing if its currency mod
17:15 shivajiva    could you specify which ones you're having crashes with pls
17:16 greeter      the server that has the problems runs currency, but the server that has no problems does not
17:17 greeter      interestingly enough, right clicking a technic_chest when it's an unknown node after the mod has been removed still allows it to behave like a chest. i'm wondering if it might be easiest just to disable the mod entirely
17:17 Krock        still the same problem? pipeworks is the issue in this case
17:18 greeter      hmm. how to fix it is the question lol
17:18 Krock        https://github.com/minetest-mods/pipeworks/blob/master/filter-injector.lua#L170-L174
17:19 Krock        looking for a solution rn
17:19 Grandolf     so its the filters....
17:19 greeter      thanks Krock :-) this is way over my head. any solution i can think of could very well break something else
17:21 Krock        https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/blob/master/technic_chests/common.lua#L31
17:22 Krock        change that to  if minetest.is_player(palyer) and not default.can_interact_with_node(player, pos) then
17:22 Krock        *is_player(player)
17:22 greeter      alright let's try it
17:23 greeter      it'll take a few moments to see if it worked. the crash doesn't happen right away
17:23 greeter      2018-06-28 13:23:08: ACTION[Server]: Chem takes technic:uranium35_dust from chest at (541,14,-651) <----- pretty sure this was the action that was crashing the server before. seems ok now :-D thank you Krock
17:24 Krock        that's not the crash
17:24 Krock        wait for pipeworks to take something out of the chest
17:24 Krock        i.e. fake player named ":pipeworks"
17:25 greeter      hmm. this could be a long wait
17:26 Krock        not sure if it's logged at all
17:26 greeter      ah that could be
17:27 greeter      it seems ok now. onto the next issue, getting irc bots for both servers onto the irc network lol
17:28 garywhite    hello greeter
17:28 greeter      greetings garywhite
17:32 Grandolf     fix works for me too :D
17:35 Krock        will push a quick fix to technic, if that's okay -- VanessaE
17:36 Krock        meanwhile @functions.lua: -- NOTICE: This method is not an official part of the API yet!
17:37 greeter      cool :-D thanks Krock
17:52 Krock        technic is updated now. you can discard the manual change and get back to the clean state again if you like to
17:53 Krock        i.e. git checkout filename.lua && git pull
18:10 Fixer        *,,,,,,*
18:15 red-001      Krock, is the guide to building for android on the wiki up to date?
18:16 Krock        see #-dev
18:16 Krock        one of the most outdated wiki pages
18:16 red-001      well I ignored it and my build broke, good to know nothing of value was lost
18:26 red-001      777 issue, 111 pull requests
18:34 Krock        red-001, StorageRef does not have the control of the pointer
18:34 Krock        destroy it in server.cpp
18:35 red-001      it does
18:35 red-001      line 35 creates it
18:36 red-001      ModApiStorage::l_get_mod_storage
18:37 Krock        I see, but the server and client also have pointers of it
18:37 Krock        due to registerModStorage
18:38 Krock        gamedef->unregisterModStorage must be called in order to save the data and remove it properly
18:38 red-001      the garbage collector does that
18:39 red-001      before deleting StorageRef
18:41 Krock        which requires Lua to garbage collect it before the server shuts down
18:42 red-001      the lua state is closed so it should do it
18:42 red-001      worked fine so far
18:44 red-001      or maybe it didn't, it's also saved every so often
18:45 Krock        best would be to increase the interval to check whether it does
18:45 Krock        or some  std::cout bois
18:46 IhrFussel    What is wrong with my function? It says another "end" expected?? function getbarval(hp1,hp2)
18:46 IhrFussel    return math.floor(math.min(1,hp1/hp2) * 180))
18:46 IhrFussel    end
18:46 red-001      well to put it another way it stopped getting a message about the memory leaks so it seems very likely the garbage collecter is called
18:47 red-001      and if it got called after the server exited we would already have segfaults
18:47 Krock        IhrFussel, theres a ) too much
18:47 IhrFussel    Ah thanks...
18:48 Krock        lisp would be the best language ever to learn this
18:48 Krock        * li(((s((p)))))
18:48 red-001       7500
18:48 red-001      today seems to be a lucky day for neat numbers
18:49 Krock        0001 1101 0100 1100 is not a nice looking number
18:51 Krock        next: 0001 1101 1011 1000 (7608)
18:55 IhrFussel    Is math.floor + math.min fast? Since it could get called lots of times in hp change callback
18:56 sfan5        premature optimization
18:58 IhrFussel    sfan5, I recall tenplus1 making math.floor a local function in Mobs Redo that's why I wondered if the real math.floor could be heavy
18:59 sfan5        well you could just also do that
18:59 sfan5        alternatively don't do such things until you notice a performance problem
18:59 IhrFussel    Does it make a difference? Or are we talking a few µs at best?
19:00 Krock        the performance gain of localizing those functions is negligible compared to using LuaJIT instead of Lua
19:00 IhrFussel    I think the heaviest call is the updating of the HUD(s) so not much I can do there
19:00 Krock        yes, it's in the µs range
19:05 xerox123     /list_areas only shows a certain number it seems, how do I override this?
19:06 rubenwardy   get the areas priv
19:06 rubenwardy   I believe
19:07 Krock        it lists all areas where you're the owner
19:07 Krock        https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas/blob/master/chatcommands.lua#L182
19:07 Krock        areas priv will list all areas (flood)
19:07 xerox123     at the end it suffixes "CLEAR AREA INFRONT"
19:08 xerox123     there's areas above 1000 but it ends around 300-ish
19:08 * rubenwardy is writing his own area protection mod
19:08 Krock        rubenwardy, no why?
19:08 Krock        please make simple_protection great
19:08 rubenwardy   specific requirements with how areas are
19:10 Krock        AreaMetaDataRef
19:14 rubenwardy   vector.multiply(vector.floor(vector.divide(area.one, PLOT_SIZE)), PLOT_SIZE)
19:14 xerox123     I see, CLEAR AREA INFRONT.... is the name of an area
19:14 xerox123     so the list is being cut short
19:15 rubenwardy   is this over IRC?
19:15 Krock        for admins /list_areas might need a "dump to file" function
19:15 xerox123     no, in-game
19:15 Krock        rubenwardy, but.. my plots can be configured too :'(
19:16 Krock        maybe the length exceeded some message length limit
19:16 rubenwardy   lol
19:16 rubenwardy   :'(
19:17 xerox123     I wonder is chat3 imposes a limit
19:17 xerox123     if*
19:17 tenplus1     hi folks :)
19:17 Krock        hi tenplus1
19:18 Krock        uuh
19:18 xerox123     hey tenplus
19:18 rubenwardy   I need plots to be able to span more than one cell, but also be aligned to a cell grid so I can have a nice minimap GUI
19:18 rubenwardy   I also need a strict  city/town -> plot   structure
19:18 tenplus1     ehehehe,,, hi krock, hey xerox, ruben :D
19:18 rubenwardy   and support for company or player ownership
19:18 Krock        ah yes.. extended plots would be nice, but they didn't fit into the simple find-area-by-index scheme
19:18 rubenwardy   yeah
19:19 Krock        will need spatial to iterate through the areas to see whether they collide or not
19:19 tenplus1     new mod ???
19:19 Krock        yes. rubenwardy is going to program advanced_protection
19:20 xerox123     yet another protection mod
19:20 tenplus1     oooh, sounds interesting, is it like current areas only more advanced :P
19:20 xerox123     YAPM
19:20 tenplus1     catchy
19:20 rubenwardy   this simplifies other things - only one factory or shop is allowed per area
19:20 Krock        I'm sure it also will be incompatible with protector and areas
19:20 rubenwardy   oh yes, ofc
19:20 rubenwardy   I don't need them to be compatible
19:21 rubenwardy   well
19:21 rubenwardy   I may add support for areas as a whitelist
19:21 rubenwardy   naahh
19:21 Krock        wasn't the intention of SN either but people use the areas + protector combination for years on their servers
19:21 tenplus1     hi andro
19:21 tenplus1     so how's it gonna protect ruben, using blocks or area coords ?
19:21 rubenwardy   they're blacklist based, so works fine
19:21 tenplus1     hi lisac
19:21 rubenwardy   mine will be whitelist based
19:22 lisac        hey tenplus1
19:22 Krock        fixed grid, maybe bound to mapblocks
19:22 tenplus1     so you add a name and location to the list so a player owns it
19:22 tenplus1     all other areas are off limits
19:22 rubenwardy   no, players won't tend to own areas
19:22 rubenwardy   they'll mostly be owned by companies
19:22 rubenwardy   it's still possible to own an area as a player, but less useful
19:22 tenplus1     companies ? does this tie in with your currency thing
19:24 Krock        yes, YACM
19:25 xerox123     does minetest have a chat length limit?
19:25 xerox123     can't find one in chat3
19:26 xerox123     or is there a way to dump a command output to file server side?
19:27 Krock        IDE_STRING_MAX_LEN
19:27 Krock        max is U16_MAX
19:27 Krock        so 65535 characters
19:28 Krock        the dump does not exist yet. It needs your PR to become real
19:30 tenplus1     rubenwardy: I take it the idea for new protecion mod came because searching a whitelist may be quicker than searching areas proteciton list ?
19:31 rubenwardy   but, does <protection_mod_name> have tests?
19:31 tenplus1     tests ?
19:31 rubenwardy   yes, tests
19:31 rubenwardy   unit tests
19:31 tenplus1     explain
19:31 rubenwardy   ~g unit test
19:31 rubenwardy   ;)
19:31 tenplus1     o.O whassat?
19:32 rubenwardy   it's an automated way of testing code
19:32 rubenwardy   so you write code to make sure code works
19:32 tenplus1     ohh
19:32 rubenwardy   you can do this in minetest using busted and by minimising the API functions you call
19:32 rubenwardy   and also mocking any you need to call
19:32 rubenwardy   like
19:33 rubenwardy   hahaha, minetest.get_node, that was a totally good thing to do and you're so clever
19:33 rubenwardy   such a stupid function
19:33 tenplus1     o.O
19:33 rubenwardy   I'll be writing a modding book chapter on this at some point
19:34 tenplus1     good, it'll clear things up... am confuzzled
19:35 rubenwardy   If you mock something, you replace it with another implementation which makes testing posible
19:35 rubenwardy   so you could mock get_node to always return default:stone
19:35 rubenwardy   just for the tests, oc
19:35 tenplus1     test functions, gotcha... I use those
19:38 * tenplus1   is especially dopey today, 31c @ 80% humidity...   no good
19:39 rubenwardy   ew
19:39 rubenwardy   in scotland????
19:39 tenplus1     yup, it's damn hot... we're all melting
19:39 rubenwardy   sure you're not missing a -
19:39 tenplus1     wish I was... am actually hoping for a storm
19:40 xerox123     my hay fever has been torturing me all week
19:40 xerox123     some rain would be nice
19:40 tenplus1     +100
19:41 xerox123     then again, I was camping in the middle of a huge field
19:41 tenplus1     seems to be the season for camping...  someone has to make a camping mod :D
19:42 tenplus1     GrizzlyAdam might take on this one since he did the Dad's BBQ mod
19:44 tenplus1     would be fun if RobbieF's BaldNerd character did minetest mod reviews :)))
19:50 tenplus1     ho Darcidride
19:50 tenplus1     *hi
19:51 rubenwardy   ho ho ho
19:51 rubenwardy   mofo
19:51 tenplus1     lolz
20:09 tenplus1     nite folks o//
20:14 IhrFussel    Is he now trying to find stuff to blame MT devs for? Maybe as "revenge" https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7499
20:15 IhrFussel    Writing your own parser is always a bad idea if you aren't well educated enough to understand every bit
20:18 tumeninodes  Shaaaazaaaaam!
20:19 tumeninodes  :/ dang...., so disappointing when no one is around to witness my greatness
20:21 tumeninodes  I think trying to use git stash was a mistake for me
20:28 tumeninodes  does anyone know how to dump a stash on git, yet not have it impact commits made before it was done? Or do I need to close a PR and just redo it? (which sounds like it may be the simpler route)
20:29 greeter      sorry about all the nick change spam folks, setting up minetest if you couldn't tell :-P
21:04 paramat      i've never used stash, i try to keep things simple
21:05 paramat      new PR is fine
21:06 Krock        !tell tumeninodes hey vista baby. stash is local. Only commits, branches and tags are sent to the remote server
21:06 MinetestBot  Krock: I'll pass that on when tumeninodes is around
21:14 IhrFussel    HUD position affects the screen size while offset doesn't?
21:16 IhrFussel    Other way around...screen size affects HUD position and not offset it seems
21:17 paramat      huh 'app guru' yeah >_>
21:18 IhrFussel    Am I right in thinking that it's NOT a good idea to only use position for HUD elements? It looks completely different depending on resolution/window size
21:19 Krock        oh well I see the issue
21:19 Krock        check out what the builtin statbars use
21:20 IhrFussel    Krock, yes...the event HUD on the right uses offset and doesn't move with screen size
21:20 IhrFussel    Or at least not much...will check builtin values
21:22 IhrFussel    Why is it so complex? offset = { x=(-10*24)-25, y=-(48+24+16)},
21:37 paramat      i found KGM's repo of cheat-bots. funny how he specifically mentions rubenwardy 's CTF server as the place to use one of them =)
21:48 IhrFussel    HELP! This HUD crap is too much... I don't understand why several players see the bar a lot more to the left than me and others local hud_o = { x=(-10*24)-15, y=-(48+24+16)}
21:49 IhrFussel    AFAIK those are the exact values from the builtin hearts bar
21:50 IhrFussel    Oh it's -25 not -15 ... but would that make a huge difference of 1+ slots?
21:57 xerox123     <+xerox123> this is why you should contact tech support, because you'll figure it out just after you call
22:02 red-001      paramat, link?
22:02 red-001      I need a laugh
22:02 paramat      https://github.com/paramat/driftcar have fun
22:03 paramat      modelled using the laws of physics
22:03 paramat      however, MTG may make it laggy
22:04 paramat      i use a custom game with no ABMs
22:05 paramat      which seems to make a big difference
22:05 paramat      it may be laggy while generating terrain too
22:10 paramat      best use 3rd person view
22:13 paramat      hm the lag spikes that really effect vehicles seem to coincide with my harddrive doing something
22:13 paramat      mapsaving i guess
22:19 paramat      every 5s so seems so
22:53 paramat      seems an excessive effect though, this happens even when no new terrain is being generated
22:59 Fixer        paramat: clone it