Time Nick Message 02:14 garywhite Even when I connect using a 0.4.16 client 06:51 longerstaff13 morning all 08:24 tenplus1 hi folks 09:31 tenplus1 o/ 09:32 ANAND o/ tenplus1 09:32 tenplus1 hi ANAND 10:20 rdococ tenplus1istwelve 10:21 tenplus1 hi rdococ 10:22 tenplus1 am moving all my repo's from github to notabug.org ... I feel is it a lot better than gitlabs 10:22 longerstaff13 I just walked 4 laps around a field without stopping 10:23 VanessaE but how slow did you go? ;) 10:23 ANAND "walked" :P 10:24 longerstaff13 Took me an hour 10:24 ANAND cool 10:24 rdococ you walked how much? o_O 10:24 VanessaE sounds good, that's more than I could do. 10:24 rdococ what is walking? 10:24 longerstaff13 I went 3 more times than the other students in my class XD 10:25 VanessaE you know, when you go into that bit blue room with the million-watt overhead light? 10:25 VanessaE big* 10:25 longerstaff13 Thry all sat down after the 1st lap... Lazy bones :P 10:25 ANAND rdococ: Put one foot in front of the other. Repeat with other foot. Continue until you are transported to your destination 10:26 tenplus1 yay, cheap teleportation 10:26 ANAND :P 10:26 rdococ ANAND: I tried that, and just bashed my foot on the wall... 10:26 ANAND -_- 10:27 rdococ :D 10:27 ANAND You're utterly unfit to perform the holy act of walking 10:28 VanessaE he doesn't have that bump-and-turn thing you see in some motorized toys ;) 10:28 ANAND lol :P 10:34 rdococ eh, I'll stick to teleportation ;) 10:38 ANAND lotsa lazy folks these days... :P 10:43 * rdococ teleports to ANAND and pokes him 10:44 ANAND :D :P 10:52 longerstaff13 Oh feels good to drink water after all that XD 11:05 tenplus1 https://notabug.org/TenPlus1 11:13 ANAND nice :) 11:13 Amaz Great! 11:13 tenplus1 notabug hosts many big things like libreboot and halycon suite 11:14 tenplus1 and it lets you view things without asking to login all the time (*cough* gitlab) 11:14 ANAND lol 11:15 Amaz I don't know what exactly it is, but there's something about gitlab's interface (even when logged in) which doesn't seem to be quite right... 11:16 tenplus1 yeah, it feels wrong somehow... doesnt fill me with happy thoughts :P 11:16 lisac #notabag 11:16 lisac *#notabug 11:16 lisac there is a freenode channel 11:16 lisac and it has very small number of people there 11:18 lisac Holy shit, a Serbian team has a pro DOTA2 game 11:18 tenplus1 :P 11:18 lisac and it's their first match 11:25 rdococ #aglitchinstead 11:25 longerstaff13 #hehe 11:26 rdococ #fuckbrexit 11:27 longerstaff13 I've not been following the news as thos whole brexit shit doesn't interest me :P 11:27 Krock hi tenplus1 11:28 longerstaff13 Meow 11:28 tenplus1 hi dude :P 11:28 Krock hi longerstaff13 11:28 longerstaff13 Hi Krock 11:28 ANAND Ello Krock! 11:28 Krock >> blazing fast >> 11:28 tenplus1 :P 11:28 tenplus1 Krock: https://notabug.org/TenPlus1 11:28 rdococ << blazing yay 11:29 rdococ notanonbug.org 11:29 rdococ #minetestshouldmovetonotabug 11:29 Krock tenplus1, nice. I suggest you to pass the avatar image to waifu2x to enhance it a little 11:29 tenplus1 ? 11:29 rdococ > Krock 11:30 Krock tenplus1, a neural network to upscale and reduce noise of images. http://waifu2x.udp.jp/ http://waifu2x.me/ 11:31 longerstaff13 #yayforportablechargers 11:31 Krock because the avatar has a quite low resolution - don't know if that's intended, but I doubt it 11:32 tenplus1 that better, reload page 11:32 rdococ a yay 11:33 Krock oh yes. it's sharper now :D 11:33 tenplus1 :P 11:34 Krock I already used that service for several other images, which weren't this kind of artwork, but it worked fine on these too 11:37 rdococ https://gitlab.com/rdococ/metapriv 11:38 tenplus1 ooh nice one 11:38 rdococ Yay™ 11:39 rdococ #twitterisoverrated 11:40 longerstaff13 #soisfacebook 11:40 Krock ##isoverrated 11:41 longerstaff13 Lol 11:41 ThomasMonroe #overratingisoverrated 11:42 rdococ #transistorsareoverratedusevacuumtubesanddekatrons 11:43 tenplus1 lol 11:44 tenplus1 ooh, I like how notabug shows issues in your own repos, assigned to you and created by you on 1 place :) same with pulls... that's handy 11:46 rdococ tenplus1++ 11:46 rdococ tenplus2++ 11:47 tenplus1 that always annoyed me about github cause I had to check induvidual repos for issues and pulls 11:47 tenplus1 lol rdococ, we have a teneighty on server :P 11:47 rdococ ++yays, and the yay™++ 11:50 rubenwardy GH had pages for showing your prs and issues 11:50 rubenwardy *has 11:51 rdococ > rubenwardy says yay 11:51 tenplus1 double checking 11:51 tenplus1 couldnt find anything that simple, but maybe I missed it 11:51 rubenwardy github.com/pulls 11:51 rubenwardy github.com/issues 11:52 rubenwardy There's links at the top of every page 11:52 tenplus1 yeah, that mostly showed pulls or issues I added for other repo's 11:52 tenplus1 never really showed for my own mods 11:52 rubenwardy There's an "assigned" tab 11:53 tenplus1 only for repo's I was a member of, again not my own 11:53 tenplus1 had 1 listed only at the time mobs has 2 issues waiting to view... could only see those when I went into mods rpo itself 11:55 rdococ >><>< yay ><><< 11:57 longerstaff13 ¶: 11:57 tenplus1 hi Jordach 11:58 rdococ > I do want to say yay 11:58 rdococ I do want to say yay< 11:59 rdococ > Yaaaay! < 12:00 tenplus1 lol, Intel's latest chipset they cheated everyone into thinking it does 5ghz... ahaha 12:01 longerstaff13 Heb 12:01 longerstaff13 Heh* 12:01 longerstaff13 That's good and bad for business XD 12:01 tenplus1 they had a chiller (sub room temp -10c in the background cooling cpu) 12:01 * rdococ yays™ 12:02 longerstaff13 Lol 12:02 longerstaff13 Yay™ 12:03 Krock tenplus1, with GaAs chips that would be possible but it's expensive.. 12:04 tenplus1 indeed... amd threadripper 2 shows intel up though ... waaaay better 12:04 Krock and most likely also toxic due to the Arsenide 12:13 * rdococ farts arsenide 12:15 tenplus1 erk, that's one toxic burrito 12:17 rdococ Yay computers are pretty big because yay blobs still have to use vacuum tubes and dekatrons, as modern technology explodes when you get close 12:23 longerstaff13 XD 12:23 rdococ > * longerstaff13 iPees™ all over the yay™ 12:24 rdococ ewww 12:24 rdococ :P 12:24 longerstaff13 Hehe 12:24 * rdococ iYays™ 12:24 rdococ the Pear uPhone™ 12:24 Shara rdococ: please don't make me start growling about offtopic. 12:24 * rdococ hides from Shara 12:25 longerstaff13 Hi Shara 12:25 Shara Hi longerstaff13 12:26 longerstaff13 rdococ: let's use #minetest-chat for that eh :P 12:26 tenplus1 o/ Shara 12:27 Shara What longerstaff13 said, please. :) 12:27 longerstaff13 :P 12:27 Shara Hi 11, how's it going? 12:28 tenplus1 not bad, moved all my git repo's to notabug.org :) 12:28 longerstaff13 Hehe, I'm not the only one who calls him 11 I see 12:28 Shara Ugh... it's going to get annoying with everyone using different places for MT repos 12:28 tenplus1 tbh I prefer notabug to github, it feels better, faster and is easier to check thigns 12:29 longerstaff13 Why is everyone moving from github anyway? I know Microshit is acquiring it, but github has been the base for the stuff for years right? 12:29 tenplus1 https://notabug.org/TenPlus1 12:29 Shara Everyone is freaking out and reacting quickly instead of planning carefully it seems 12:29 longerstaff13 Hmm 12:30 Shara Personally I won't move a thing of my own until I know what MT itself is doing 12:30 tenplus1 am not freaking out as such, just found a better site I like more 12:30 longerstaff13 Good plan 12:30 Shara tenplus1: well, you make it harder for everyone else then 12:30 longerstaff13 I may disappear in a second as I am at college right now and class is starting soon 12:31 * tenplus1 cancels class 12:31 longerstaff13 Yay! 12:32 Shara Ten, can you cancel my exams tomorrow too please? 12:32 tenplus1 8done* 12:33 tenplus1 everyone got 100% 12:33 Shara :) 12:33 * longerstaff13 eats the exams - no more exams 12:33 longerstaff13 :D 12:34 longerstaff13 Gotta go, bye o/ 12:34 tenplus1 have fun 12:34 longerstaff13 I'll try 12:37 rdococ > yay 12:38 tenplus1 o/ fixer 12:41 tenplus1 hi entuland 12:41 entuland hey there tenplus1 12:49 rdococ I want a quantum computer for my birthday 12:50 * tenplus1 rustles up a 5 qubit system and isntalls Zork III 12:50 tenplus1 hi aerozoic 12:50 aerozoic hey tenplus1, guess what! 12:50 rdococ Yay blob computers are fun 12:50 rdococ aerozoic: Yay! 12:50 tenplus1 ??? 12:50 rdococ blobs 12:50 aerozoic I'm on Xubuntu now XD 12:50 tenplus1 ooh sweet :) 18.04 ? 12:50 rdococ :O 12:51 aerozoic yep 12:51 tenplus1 nice one, welcome to the club :d 12:51 aerozoic lol thx. I wish it was under better circumstances but oh well. It works! 12:52 Krock oh nice, another club member :) 12:52 tenplus1 you having any issues with it ? 12:53 aerozoic Nope. Having issues with this new laptop though. Apparently "cherry trail" chipsets are not linux friendly. 12:53 tenplus1 what make/model is your lappy ? 12:54 aerozoic Xubuntu was the only distro i could get wifi to work XD 12:54 tenplus1 has a newer kernel so better driver support :) 12:55 tenplus1 how much memory does your laptop have ?# 12:55 aerozoic Its a Direkt-tek 14-1 12:57 tenplus1 ahh walmart speciak :P 12:58 tenplus1 you can install powertop and increase battery life 12:59 aerozoic lol yeah, cheapest lappy i could find 12:59 tenplus1 heh, so long as it works :) it's all good... and looks a decent spec 12:59 aerozoic The small HD will be a challenge 12:59 tenplus1 hi CWz 13:00 tenplus1 control panel will let you up the dpi and font size to compensate :d 13:01 aerozoic HD = hard drive 13:01 Krock aerozoic, cheapest lappies are those which were mid-range few years ago and now sold because the people upgraded to a newer model 13:01 Krock s/HD/HDD/ 13:02 Krock any drive is "hard" (liquid data storage, anyone?), Hard Disk Drive is what you meant, I guess :D 13:02 aerozoic technically this thing doesn't even have a HDD. 13:02 aerozoic If i understand correctly, it's just a chip on the MB 13:03 tenplus1 yeah, same as my Acer Cloudbook... 32gb nand chip 13:03 Krock so a cheap embedded SSD? 13:03 tenplus1 works just as well though, fast boot :) 13:03 Fixer hi 13:05 Krock yeah but if you buy cheap ones, then they'll have either a low capacity or wear out quickly 13:05 Krock *or they 13:05 tenplus1 not if you treat them well :D 13:06 tenplus1 and running linux is less intensive on the hdd than winblows, so should last longer :D 13:07 tenplus1 aerozoic: install 'powertop' and in a terminal type: powertop --auto-tune 13:07 tenplus1 and you'll see your battery life jump a few hours extra :D 13:07 aerozoic ok thx :) 13:07 tenplus1 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/powertop <-- this shows how to do automatically 13:09 Krock but some options aren't that great to disable. I'm using it here too but won't disable the audio chip because each playback will cause a short but loud *BUMP* which is caused by enabling the supply 13:09 Krock and ofc another, inverse *BUMP* for turning it off 13:10 tenplus1 also adding the line: vm.swappiness = 15 to the end of /etc/sysctl.conf will stop a lot of unwanted drive access 13:14 aerozoic i found an article the other day that said for SSD's they recommend swappiness be reduced to 1 13:15 tenplus1 depends, how many Gb ram do you have ? 13:15 aerozoic 4gb 13:15 tenplus1 ahh, then yes, setting to 1 is fine :D 13:15 tenplus1 I assumed 2gb or less 13:17 aerozoic why did linux mint xfce have disk monitor taskbar item but xubuntu doesn't? 13:17 tenplus1 personal preference... you can prolly add it to the taskbar from the plugins menu 13:17 aerozoic that's what i mean, it's not there 13:17 tenplus1 hold on, lemmie check somthing 13:19 tenplus1 in synaptic search for 'xfce4' and it'll bring up all the plugins you can install... xfce4-diskperf-plugin is there 13:20 aerozoic oh yeah, i also forgot i have yet to install xfce restricted extras 13:21 aerozoic thanks! 13:21 tenplus1 :P many packages there for the installin' 13:22 aerozoic i don't have synaptic XD 13:22 tenplus1 sudo apt-get install synaptic 13:23 tenplus1 sometimes you need a tool like that over gnome-software 13:24 * rdococ yays, 13:48 longerstaff13 Hi 13:48 tenplus1 o/ 13:50 longerstaff13 I have 10 minutes of sitting in the canteen, yay! 13:56 ANAND Been building MT for 5 minutes and it's still at 65% ._. 13:56 rdococ lol 13:56 tenplus1 erk, what version and for what os ? 13:57 ANAND 0.4.17 on Bionic Beaver 13:57 tenplus1 https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+files/minetest_0.4.17-ppa0~ubuntu18.04.1_amd64.deb 13:57 tenplus1 there ya go 13:58 ANAND I'm building a minetest server 13:58 tenplus1 :PP 13:58 ANAND Just for the heck of it :) 14:01 ANAND ugh, forgot -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 - re-building..... :/ 14:02 aerozoic I get to do the same thing in a little bit :) 14:03 ANAND :P 14:03 tenplus1 0.4.17 has issues on some servers tho with the crashing, would still use 0.4.16 for stability just now 14:03 aerozoic longerstaff13, ur 10 minutes are up! :P 14:04 aerozoic aw, 17 is supposed to be stable LOL 14:04 longerstaff13 Meep 14:04 ANAND exactly! XD 14:05 tenplus1 that's what I thought too... installed on Xanadu and it kept crashing constantly... went back to 0.4.16 14:05 ANAND :OWhat 14:05 aerozoic figures, thx for the warning. 14:05 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7419 14:05 ANAND * was the error? 14:05 rdococ fission mailed™ 14:05 rdococ dou yied™, oame gver™ 14:05 tenplus1 also bionic 18.04 has latest minetest 0.4.16 in repo :) 14:07 ANAND true 14:08 aerozoic building is more fun :D 14:08 tenplus1 xanadu already uses this and it works really well :) minetest --server 14:10 Krock but at least don't do the same with Minetest Game, which will work on 0.4.16 too 14:13 rdococ hmm... need unique idea for an RPG 14:14 Krock turn players into fishes and their task is to eat a shark. 14:14 tenplus1 turn players into sharks and have them eat fishy players 14:14 Krock unique: probably. interesting: mah, difficulty: high 14:15 tenplus1 rdococ: check youtube and watch some of the older "yogscast" mc videos, they have many good ideas 14:16 rdococ EwwE™ 14:18 tenplus1 so long as you have a working quest mod then it's possible to have all sorts of amazing adventures in mt 14:19 tenplus1 o/ Jordach 14:20 Jordach hello 14:56 * rdococ playfully attacks tenplus1 for -3 damage, healing him! 14:57 * tenplus1 dons his crystal armor and is invincible 14:57 * rdococ watches as tenplus1 doesn't heal 14:58 tenplus1 heh... just upgraded to GIMP 2.10.2... it's a lot nicer :) especially dark themes 14:59 * rdococ plucks the feathers of a phoenix and cooks them in a pot filled with "logical negation potion", causing it to have the opposite effect and kill instead of heal 14:59 ANAND Just use a NOT gate, way simpler :) 14:59 rdococ yay, it's nwod xineohp 14:59 tenplus1 :PP 14:59 rdococ a reversed phoenix down 15:00 tenplus1 aerozoic: pop into terminal and type: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp to update gimp 15:01 tenplus1 if you have it installed 15:01 ANAND sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade after that, right? 15:02 tenplus1 adding ppa updates automatically, it should popup an update in the corner tray :) to let ya know 15:02 tumeninodes pretty good idea that I am watching https://github.com/thomasrudin-mt/missions 15:03 tenplus1 :p 15:03 ANAND Interesting mod 15:05 tumeninodes rubenwardy: when updating my portable for 0.5.0-dev, can't I use make j-4 rather than make j-3 ? as I have 4 cores? noob compiler question :D 15:05 rubenwardy Use cores+1 15:05 rubenwardy So -j5 15:05 rubenwardy Or minus 1 15:05 rubenwardy I forget 15:07 sfan5 you can even use make -j20 if you desire 15:07 tumeninodes heh I was just gonna say that as a joke 15:07 sfan5 the most common suggestions for the number of jobs are (number of cores + 1) or (number of cores * 2) 15:07 ANAND If your CPU is hyper-threaded, -j(cores*2) would be a good option too 15:07 sfan5 if you increase it beyond that, it will just take more RAM 15:08 tumeninodes amd a8 15:08 tenplus1 amd threadripper 2 15:08 tumeninodes ... showoff 15:08 tenplus1 muhahahahahaha 15:08 ANAND Isn't A8 a 6-core CPU? 15:08 ANAND Thread-ripper! :O 15:09 tenplus1 tr2 has 32 cores :DD 15:09 ANAND ._. 15:09 tumeninodes A8 is quad core 15:09 tenplus1 heh, if only... I have an atom 2 core 1.8 ht 15:09 ANAND XD 15:10 tumeninodes than you rubenwardy and sfan5 15:11 tumeninodes I have my AMD Athlon64 3300+ powerhouse I could fire up but, I don;t want to drain the grid 15:11 ANAND lol :P 15:12 tumeninodes 512Gb ram.... 15:12 tumeninodes oh wait.... 512Mb dang 15:12 tenplus1 ehehe 15:12 tenplus1 is compiling with -j? the same as using num_emerge_threads = ? 15:13 benrob0329 'scuse me, just a lone Intel user walking through :P 15:13 ANAND Ur not alone :) 15:13 tenplus1 hi benrob :P 15:13 * tumeninodes gives judgmental stare 15:13 * tenplus1 has intel atom 15:13 * ANAND has Intel Pentium 15:14 tumeninodes just know, that you're all wrong 15:14 shivajiva lol 15:14 tenplus1 hi roben 15:14 ANAND tumeninodes: What do you mean? :) 15:14 roben1430 🤔 15:15 shivajiva AMD fanboy in da house! 15:15 tumeninodes ... you know what I mean 15:15 ANAND I don't :/ 15:16 tumeninodes I know, that's why i say that. It stuns and confuses the opposition 15:16 tenplus1 hi shiva 15:16 shivajiva hiya tenplus ;) 15:16 ANAND Ah... Makes a ton of sense ;) 15:17 tumeninodes not really but that's how I do 15:17 ANAND lol 15:18 roben1430 Clearly ARM is superior 15:18 ANAND Nope sorry 15:18 tumeninodes I didn't check the repo yet, did anyone fix that builtin issue yet? or do I have do the manual labours today : / 15:18 ANAND 8086 rules! 8D 15:18 roben1430 Actually ARM is most likely the next major architecture 15:19 tumeninodes Sparc! 15:19 shivajiva I think we need competition and a diverse marketplace to suit all budgets, after 486 I jumped to AMD based on means but for stability back then you couldn't beat intel so eventually I came back 15:19 roben1430 Apple will likely move to it with their next Macbook line 15:20 roben1430 Or, some near-future linr 15:20 tumeninodes you all know Sparc is pretty powerful right? They just can;t compete in the $ market being unable to lower their cost 15:20 roben1430 Not that moving to ARM is an issue for Linux/BSD 15:22 tenplus1 latest arm chip runs 3ghz and is being made for windows desktop 15:22 sfan5 it's an issue for linux/bsd? 15:22 sfan5 it might be an issue for windows, but certainly not for linux 15:22 roben1430 sfan5: I said not an issue 15:22 tumeninodes old but still :P https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3017558/oracles-sparc-m8-is-twice-as-fast-as-intel-x86-sparc-m7-cpus 15:22 tenplus1 very true, linux can run on pretty much every platform 15:23 sfan5 roben1430: oh sorry, the "not" was hard to spot 15:23 roben1430 Both Linux and almost evert BSD kernel runs on ARM, and has for years 15:23 roben1430 Its hardly a transition 15:24 tumeninodes sneaky little nots 15:24 roben1430 Many applications have even been ported, due to things like the raspberry Pi 15:25 roben1430 I love how people were amazed when VLC ran on ARM based Windows 15:25 rubenwardy arm don't make chips 15:26 tenplus1 vlc is pretty good, I like mpv tho 15:26 rubenwardy Re: tenplus1 latest arm chip runs 3ghz 15:26 roben1430 Tbh I have yet to find a video player I'm completely happy with 15:26 tenplus1 mpv is just a window with on-screen controls, no gui :) simplez 15:27 roben1430 But no DVD menus either 15:27 tenplus1 on-screen or keyboard controlled 15:28 tenplus1 rubenwardy: the arm cortex a76 runs up to 3ghz using 7nm process and is 35% faster than 175 15:28 tenplus1 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/31/arm_cortex_a76/ 15:28 tenplus1 my next desktop just might be arm :D 15:29 roben1430 How does ARM do for GPUs though 15:29 roben1430 Will it be compatible with existing PCIe things or will we move completely to SoaC 15:29 rubenwardy arm design instruction sets 15:30 tenplus1 depends on board and company making it... mali-760 in most phones and it's fast enough to do 4k 15:30 rubenwardy Ie: architecture 15:30 sfan5 GPUs are not architecture-specific, vendors "just" need to port their drivers 15:30 tenplus1 mali-t880 is latest and as 16 core gfx 15:30 rubenwardy Hence why it's up to 3ghz, and they don't give a specific value 15:30 roben1430 sfan5: isnt PCIe a CPU thing, not a motherboard thing? 15:30 tenplus1 https://developer.arm.com/products/graphics-and-multimedia/mali-gpus/mali-t860-and-mali-t880-gpus 15:31 Krock PCIe is still for data exchange. how the data is processed is up to the cards 15:31 sfan5 I don't know whether you can call PCI-e a "cpu thing" or a "motherboard thing" 15:31 roben1430 tenplus1: fast enough to do 4k just means it has multimedia capabilities, not necessarily gaming or rendering 15:31 sfan5 but I can tell you that there are arm boards with pcie support, so it's certainly doable 15:32 tenplus1 true, consider tho that many phones have hd display and 3d gaming works well on 760... so 880 will be a lot smoother :D would need to test it tho 15:32 roben1430 http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0556g/CACDJHIJ.html 15:33 roben1430 Looks like the architecture supports it anyways 15:33 sfan5 about graphics: the graphics hardware mobile SoCs usually come with are no match for desktop graphics 15:33 sfan5 the drivers are terrible too 15:33 roben1430 sfan5: exactly 15:33 sfan5 a notable exception is nvidia hardware, their drivers are on-par with what they provide on desktop 15:34 roben1430 So..working but a pita? 15:34 sfan5 that's still much better than the average driver for other ARM gfx hw 15:35 roben1430 ~~AMD save us~~ 15:36 sfan5 since their drivers are in the kernel now, maybe it would just work OOTB 15:36 tenplus1 hopefully 15:36 roben1430 Isnt it still unstable? 15:37 tumeninodes hey, wait a second... when I update 0.5.0-dev, that doesn;t automagically update MTG? :/ 15:37 sfan5 amdgpu? not that i know of 15:37 tenplus1 if you compile yourself, no... gotta get the latest minetest_game as well 15:37 tumeninodes dagnabbit 15:38 roben1430 sfan5: the AMD drivers in the kernel, I thought they weren't in a release yet 15:38 tumeninodes i was wondering why player is not sunk into the snow 15:40 sfan5 roben1430: it's in the kernel since about 2 years afaik 15:41 tenplus1 amd open source drivers seem to run better than binary blob 15:41 tenplus1 according to phoronix 15:41 tenplus1 wish the same could be said for nvidia 15:41 sfan5 better than fglrx? that's not surprise 15:41 sfan5 s/not/no/ 15:43 roben1430 If only I could have had a look into the future and bought an amd card 15:44 roben1430 Then again I would have built a quieter and smaller computer at that point as well... 15:45 tenplus1 +100 on small and quiet 16:03 tenplus1 wb 16:17 longerstaff13 o/ 16:17 tenplus1 o// 16:18 longerstaff13 o/// 16:18 longerstaff13 lol 16:18 tumeninodes ok, now I have current MTG :) silly me 16:18 rdococ hm... thinking of alternatives to electricity for alien species 16:19 rubenwardy Man, I want this computer 16:19 tenplus1 ? 16:19 longerstaff13 ? 16:19 rdococ there are mechanical turing machines™ 16:19 * tumeninodes wonders what an alien's electric bill looks like 16:19 longerstaff13 tumeninodes: most probably £1,000 :P 16:20 rdococ depends on if they have electricity 16:21 rdococ they could have entirely mechanical minicomputers 16:21 tenplus1 or organic 16:21 rdococ ooh, aliens could selectively breed a species of organic computer 16:22 tenplus1 1 kid to become a doctor, the other to run household apps :D 16:22 rdococ wat 16:22 rdococ alien slavery 16:22 tenplus1 to them it's normal :P 16:23 rdococ aliens would selectively breed "lesser" aliens for obedience and intelligence 16:24 rdococ that sounds really messed up to us but normal for them 16:24 tenplus1 yeah, population control built into their civilization 16:25 tumeninodes rubenwardy, this is what my eye is on for next machine https://www.cybertronpc.com/clx/kits 16:25 rdococ then the alien slaves become intelligent enough to escape and fight back, but don't as they became too obedient 16:26 tumeninodes would probably still get avg 50/52 fps with MTG :D 16:26 tenplus1 tumeninodes: looks good, amd ryzen :P nice 16:26 tumeninodes oh yehhhhhhh 16:26 rdococ then there's an anti-slave rebellious group of aliens that breed slaves for disobedience so they may eventually rebel 16:27 tumeninodes this depends on how bad the judge feels for me due to my accident though ; ) 16:27 tumeninodes been practicing my 16:27 rdococ life happens™ 16:27 tenplus1 lol 16:27 rdococ capitalism happens™ 16:27 rdococ other things happen too™ 16:28 tumeninodes of course I don;t call accidents "accidents"..., I call the "stupids" 16:28 tumeninodes *m 16:28 rdococ you did a stupid? 16:28 tumeninodes noooo, someone else did 16:29 tumeninodes I just happened to be in the path of stupid 16:29 tumeninodes though I do have stupids... A LOT 16:29 * tenplus1 does a stupid and gets a new amd system too :D 16:29 tumeninodes hahaha 16:30 tumeninodes when it's a small stupid, I am very forgiving... but a huge stupid that cause serious injury..., no 16:31 tumeninodes og course I could be over-prospecting too 16:31 rdococ "oops, I accidentally broke your leg or something" 16:31 tumeninodes awesome, you may now buy me a new PC 16:31 rdococ can I have your old one? 16:32 tumeninodes no, too much porn on it :D 16:32 rdococ can I have your porn? 16:32 tumeninodes hahahaha 16:32 tenplus1 ehehe 16:32 rdococ lol, the moment para - mat sees this... 16:32 tenplus1 we're all getting kicked 16:32 tenplus1 o.O 16:33 tenplus1 am para-noid now 16:33 rdococ lol 16:33 tumeninodes it's all anime though, kinda sick 16:33 tenplus1 hentai even 16:33 tumeninodes I won;t get kicked..., my pc also has MT/MTG on it so...., 16:34 tumeninodes thinking of starting a new dating website/app, via using MTG 16:34 rdococ wat 16:35 tenplus1 er... bad idea 16:35 tenplus1 might get paired with an oerkki 16:35 tumeninodes nah it'll be UGE! 16:35 rdococ ooh, a reddit-like "social media" website in minetest would be cool 16:36 rdococ ANAND: we're talking about mt now though 16:36 tumeninodes dude, I'm always "off" 16:36 ANAND Totally... 16:36 rdococ well, I definitely haven't been turned on... 16:36 * tumeninodes is not plugged in 16:37 tenplus1 learning from 0.4.17 and lack of binaries, how easy would it be to have minetest-next for 0.5x dev for testers to quickly and easily use ???? 16:37 rdococ minetest-previous: 0.3.3 16:37 tenplus1 kinda like opera-next so you can run it alongside the stable version and test it all out 16:37 garywhite I have someone who is asking me how they update MT from 0.4.15 to 0.4.17 on Ubuntu? 16:37 tenplus1 then when it's finally released it becomes "minetest" stable 16:38 rdococ I run the latest -dev alongsite the 0.4.17 build 16:38 Krock garywhite, PPAs do it 16:38 tumeninodes tenplus1, why not just set up as I do, it's sleazy.... woops I mean easy 16:38 tenplus1 gary, 16.04 repos and above have minetest 0.4.16 already in there 16:38 tenplus1 dont do 0.4.17 until that crash bug is sorted 16:38 garywhite Right 16:38 rdococ the same bug from 0.5.0-dev? 16:39 tumeninodes so keep 0.4.16 as .minetest, then use 0.5.0-dev in minetest 16:39 Krock tenplus1, easy. I currently got 0.5.0-dev and 0.4.17 running both as RUN_IN_PLACE, whereas the mod, game and client directories are symlnked 16:39 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7419 16:39 ANAND Krock: I have the exact same setup :D 16:39 tenplus1 Krock: wihtout having to compile each and every new version that comes out... 16:40 garywhite What about for Ubuntu 12.x? 16:40 * tumeninodes directories are not symlinked :( 16:40 Krock tenplus1, then compile each week 16:40 ANAND I've symlinked mods, games and worlds directories 16:40 tumeninodes tenplus1 hates compiling as do I 16:40 tenplus1 goes back as far as 14.04, ubu 12 is too old 16:41 garywhite That's what I thought 16:41 Krock ANAND, cache, locale, sounds and textures can be symlinked too 16:41 ANAND and settings are read from and written to ~/minetest.conf 16:41 tenplus1 not that I hate compiling, but if things are to be tested by many users then provide a minetest-dev or minetest-next binary for us to play with 16:41 tenplus1 it took me forever to compile mt on my net-top... that puts me right off 16:41 ANAND Krock: cache and locale too? 16:41 tumeninodes I used the 0.4.16 (now 17) from mint repo, then use Calinou's portable build for MT 0.5.0-dev, and just cloned my fork of MTG-dev into that 16:42 ANAND No conflicts between 0.4.17 and 0.5.0-dev? 16:42 tumeninodes so now to update MT is just pull and make -j5 16:42 Krock ANAND, especially cache because the media cache format doesn't change. and translations tend to be added rather than removed 16:42 ANAND Right, thanks 16:42 Krock so 0.5.0-dev translations + cache 16:42 tumeninodes update MTG git pull upstream master and then push origin master 16:43 Krock tenplus1, Celeron D 3.06 GHz, 45 minutes compiling time 16:43 tenplus1 daaaaaamn 16:43 Krock well, that was from scratch. incremental build then brought it down to ~30 mins 16:44 tenplus1 just one of those things that would be nice for testers... save a lot of rigmarole and hassle 16:44 ANAND A great benefit of symlinking is that packages installed using ContentDB can be used across all versions of MT :D 16:44 tenplus1 then i can run minetest to play or minetest-dev/next to test 16:44 tumeninodes ... you would be able to play both 16:45 ANAND Hmm... why not provide 0.5.0-dev as a special package on ContentDB? 16:47 tumeninodes you'd still have to have 0.5.0 MT in a diff directory 16:48 ANAND oh nvm... ContentDB itself is for 0.5.0 only... :| 16:48 tumeninodes ; ) 16:49 rdococ ; yay ; 16:49 rdococ I need a name for the aliens I came up with earlier 16:50 ANAND yay-liens 16:50 tumeninodes or... you can just do as I was doing for a while and deleting forks, and local, then refork, and reinstall... constantly 16:50 tumeninodes sofar LOVES that :D 16:51 tumeninodes :| 16:51 garywhite is anyone else who uses IRCCloud having issues? 16:51 rdococ ANAND: are you sure? the aliens are pretty racist (among their alien equivalent of races, at least)... 16:52 sofar lol 16:52 ANAND That was just a PR, it's up to you to merge 8) 16:52 longerstaff13 garywhite: I moved back to a ZNC and HexChat 16:52 sofar quassel, forever 16:52 rdococ I should make a language for the 'racist aliens' but meh... 16:52 longerstaff13 Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz (1.04GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.6 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 35.7 GB / 486.7 GB (451.0 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Radeon HD 5670 @ Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath Architecture System Address De 16:52 longerstaff13 coder • Uptime: 2h 22m 1s 16:52 longerstaff13 ;) 16:52 sofar marklar 16:52 rdococ I have no specifics as to the biology of the alien species yet 16:53 tenplus1 they reproduce a-sexually so they are really being racist against themselves as a joke 16:54 rdococ I want to call them "adolphians"... 16:54 tumeninodes have them reproduce by "magic" and call them bibliens 16:54 rdococ lol, bibliens 16:55 rdococ I would make people mad if I called them bibliens, calling them adolphians is bad enough :P 16:56 longerstaff13 yæ-lians 16:56 tumeninodes could call them humans but, I'm sure you want an intelligent species 16:56 rdococ lol 16:57 rdococ humans went to war with the adolphians for obvious reasons 16:58 tumeninodes well, have to go meet with someone who seems to believe in magic, as a matter of fact..., to try to convince them there is no such thing 16:58 rdococ tumeninodes: whozat? 16:58 tumeninodes client 16:58 rdococ so you're a server? :P 16:59 tumeninodes no, I'n obviously insane for having this particular client 16:59 tumeninodes *m 16:59 tumeninodes I feel for her other half hahaha 16:59 tumeninodes see ya folks 17:14 Calinou https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/8pasj6/debian_package_of_the_day_s03e04_39_minetest_3d/ 17:14 Calinou hi :) 17:14 tenplus1 hi cal 17:14 Calinou my portable build is really old tum 17:14 Calinou tumeninodes* 17:14 Calinou (they left) 17:15 rdococ idea: space dimension with spheres of black holium that act as black holes 17:16 * Jordach adds in accretion disks 17:16 Jordach ...along with the instakill gamma radiation 17:18 Krock For me is the speaker in that video a bit hard to understand sometimes 17:19 * rdococ uses an accretion disk to store data 17:19 * rdococ watches as the data is swallowed up by the black hole 17:19 * rdococ yays 17:29 BillyS Ah, think I finally found out why some of my clients where crashing. They were using Multicr@p 17:29 tenplus1 ??? 17:30 BillyS Some of the players on my server were crashing at wierd times 17:30 BillyS Like when they opened the inventory or a locked chest 17:30 tenplus1 hrm, but shouldnt all the mods be loaded from server-side ? 17:31 rdococ my switch did a bsod (black screen of death) 17:31 tenplus1 nooo, not nintendo 17:31 BillyS rdococ: With windows, you avoid bsod's by changing them violet! :D 17:33 garywhite Instead it's BSOD 2.0: The PSOD (Purple Screen of Death) 17:33 tenplus1 BillyS: does your server run a custom minetest game, or default ? 17:33 BillyS default 17:34 tenplus1 yet when someone opens a chest in multicraft it crashes ? 17:34 BillyS Yep 17:35 tenplus1 so weird 17:35 BillyS Yep again 17:35 rdococ Real life crashed yesterday. 17:35 BillyS Also, I have fish spawning all over my world . . 17:35 BillyS Speaking of wierd. :P 17:37 rdococ I sent a bug report, but the devs can't seem to fix it... 17:37 tenplus1 wonder if it's anything to do with the minetest.after(0,2 that shows chest formspec... doesnt necessarily check for player being active or now 17:37 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L2279 17:54 tenplus1 Krock: you there ? 17:57 rdococ Hmm... should I put 'adolphians' in an extraterrestrial setting or a fantasy setting with dwarves, elves, etc.? 17:57 tenplus1 asteroids 17:59 rdococ if I made them extraterrestrial I'd have to define its other biological characteristics, which is boring 17:59 tenplus1 make them blue blobs 18:00 tenplus1 that bound around like slimes :D 18:00 tenplus1 and if you get too close they explode into goo and cause slowdown for 30 seconds 18:01 tenplus1 rubenwardy: you around ? 18:02 * tenplus1 tries to lure someone with a donut for assistance 18:03 * rdococ eats the donut by throwing his intestines at it 18:03 tenplus1 lol, hoi 18:03 tenplus1 you aint no starfish 18:03 * rdococ then reels his intestines in 18:03 * rdococ is a gross blob, but they're pretty cute 18:03 tenplus1 hehehe 18:04 * tenplus1 plops anime eyes on rdococ 18:04 * rdococ turns into an animyay blob 18:05 tenplus1 https://img00.deviantart.net/58d9/i/2012/207/8/8/kawaii_slime_by_drakesilver777-d58qts1.png 18:06 tenplus1 rubenwardy or Krock: is the 0.4.17 crash error caused when the server has logs enabled, according to this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6798 18:08 garywhite hi Tmanyo 18:31 tumeninodes gotta love people who are no-shows for meetings grrrr 18:31 tenplus1 no reason ? 18:31 tumeninodes "oh, I'm sorry, I forgot all about it, can you just arrange your life around me?" 18:32 tenplus1 I dont like ppl being that selfish 18:32 tumeninodes me either... still a min charge though 18:32 tumeninodes which I'm sure will seem unreasonable to them 18:32 tenplus1 lol 18:33 tumeninodes anyway, are you still floating around Calinou 18:33 Calinou yes 18:33 Calinou I said my 0.5-dev build is very out of date 18:34 tumeninodes your portable build still works 18:34 tumeninodes I just update it (at least I hope that's what I've been doing) :P 18:38 Calinou I mean, the one-line script will get the latest version 18:38 Calinou but my AppImage is like 1 year old by now 18:40 tumeninodes oh, yeh I know that. I d/l the appimage a bit back but it was not what I needed 18:40 Krock tenplus1, yes. I just saw you can work around by setting "deprecated_lua_api_handling" to anything but "log" or "error" to avoid the crash 18:41 tumeninodes the one-line script is what I used for the portable, then I just cloned my fork of current MTG into it today, because i had mtg set up wrong 18:43 tenplus1 in the minetest.conf ? deprecated_lua_api_handling = none ??? 18:43 tumeninodes either way, it makes sense to me and it works, that's all I need to be happy :) 18:43 Fixer s/???/?!?!?! 18:45 tenplus1 although it's set to "legacy" by default, which it is on xanadu ? so I wonder why the crash if it already wasnt set to "log" or "error" 18:45 tumeninodes I very much love player sinking into snow... so much better 18:47 rdococ ~I do want to sa - ay yay 18:47 rdococ I do want to SA AAAA AY yay~ 18:49 tumeninodes ssstaahhhhhhp 18:50 nerzhul https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De9vP8yUEAAIx9a.jpg:large wow :D 18:51 tenplus1 lolol 18:51 tenplus1 hi nerzhul 18:51 Krock tenplus1, that's quite weird because "legacy" would not cause this error 18:51 nerzhul hi tenplus1 18:52 tumeninodes and that's just daily 18:52 tenplus1 it's a setting we never changed so it has been on default all this time... 18:52 tenplus1 will ask shinji if he can reinstall 0.4.17 and we'll test 18:53 Krock well, it defaults to "log" when the "NDEBUG" was set to compile. i.e. "-DNDEBUG" 18:53 tenplus1 hrmm 18:53 Krock which is actually the case when it's built with GCC 18:54 tumeninodes my internets is acting wonky 18:55 Krock tenplus1, set it manually to "legacy". maybe the docs are wrong 18:56 BillyS minetest is screwing around with me 18:56 tenplus1 whassup billy ? 18:56 BillyS I can't get voxelmanips to work 18:56 tumeninodes BillyS, Minetest doesn;t have screws so, impossibru 18:56 tenplus1 getting any errors 18:56 BillyS Nope 18:57 BillyS But area:index(x, y, z) is returing an id for a water source when there isnt a water source at x y z 18:57 BillyS (area is a VoxelArea) 18:57 tenplus1 weird 18:57 BillyS No kidding 18:59 tenplus1 use pastebin to show your code, maybe someone can debug 18:59 BillyS http://pasteall.org/987010 18:59 BillyS Sires is re-writing it now 19:00 BillyS Its a function to check if a mob can spawn 19:01 Krock local emin, emax = vm:read_from_map(vector.add(pos1, -1), vector.add(pos2, 1)) 19:03 Krock that would ensure that you can iterate over the entire pos1 and pos2 volume 19:05 BillyS Hmm 19:05 Krock and maybe def.spawn_node was invalid (nil, unknown) 19:06 Krock line 16 will cause a crash due to unknown nodes 19:07 tenplus1 is pos1 pos2 used for manually spawning mobs, or is it centred around player ? 19:07 BillyS centered aroung the player 19:07 BillyS *around 19:16 rdococ > I will yay yay 19:16 Krock tenplus1, actually it shouldn't matter because VManip forceloads the mapblocks 19:17 tenplus1 just curious to how position is selected for mob to spawn :P 19:19 tenplus1 always looking for a better way to spawn mobs :D 19:21 BillyS heh 19:21 longerstaff13 BillyS used to look for ways to spawn corium allover the place :P (joking) 19:21 BillyS I did 19:22 longerstaff13 heh 19:26 rdococ > yay < 19:30 tenplus1 nite folks o// 19:37 tumeninodes Is it possible to add in the ability for MT or MTG to read a .lua or something similar to a meta.txt file from a texture folder? 19:38 tumeninodes so that a texture in a tp can overide a node or item on an individual basis? I have mentioned this idea before 19:40 tumeninodes i.e., if I create a tp, and I want to use the default_water_source.png from it but, I also want to change say, the alpha level and length from 2,0 to 3.0, it would be very cool to be able to change those defs from within the tp itself 19:41 tumeninodes and using the very old adage of "MC can do it"..., why can't MT? 19:42 rdococ there are things MT can do that MC can't without hax :P 19:42 rdococ like custom nodes that don't need fiddling around with resource pax 19:42 tumeninodes I have mentioned it is possible to do this, by creating a tp as a mod, and using override but, it would be much nicer to do from within the textures folder itself 19:44 tumeninodes true but that normally relates to engine restrictions but, I don;t thin this would be a restriction, just a matter of being coded into the engine, meaning the feature just isnt there yet, but not impossible 19:45 tumeninodes and creating a tp as a mod is kinda sleazy 19:47 tumeninodes wait, sorry I misread your comment rdococ :P 19:47 tumeninodes I switched MT cant with MC cant 19:48 Fixer wat? 19:48 tumeninodes nvm, I confused myself too 19:49 tumeninodes I thought rdococ said "there are things MT "can't" do, that MC "can" do" 19:50 rdococ MT can do nearly anything because it's open-source and written in C++, so you can modify it to do whatever. case closed. yay. 19:51 tumeninodes I'd just like to see TPs able to utilize meta.txt files, same as MC does. But I don;t know where to start or how to add the feature 19:52 tumeninodes definitely starts in the engine. I could make an issue but unsure how to word it 19:55 tumeninodes there was mention before as well, that being able to use the term "media pack" would be nice, to be able to have a media pack include 3 folders "textures", "models", and "sounds" which would be a nice addition too 20:38 rubenwardy ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod 'sauth' in callback can_bypass_userlimit(): ...inetest/minetest_stable/bin/../builtin/game/register.lua:401: assertion failed! 20:38 rubenwardy hmmm 20:45 Krock oh! found a possible cause for the jump issue 20:50 rubenwardy 0.4.17 https://i.rubenwardy.com/Gqm80.png 20:50 Krock was time to recharge it 20:52 rubenwardy there was a bug with my email on crash script 20:52 rubenwardy was passing in $date rather than $DATE resulting in the last 20 lines of logs not being sent :( 21:06 garywhite I hate to say it (and I mean no offense to you guys) but 0.4.17 is like the Windows Vista of MT releases, but the first bad one I've seen since I started out on 0.4.13 21:07 rubenwardy no one tested it well enough 21:07 rubenwardy also, CTF doesn't use any deprecated functions 21:07 rubenwardy so it couldn't catch it 21:11 sofar so the mt media server actually costs me money this month 21:11 Krock how come it doesn't cost otherwise? 21:11 sofar I've exceeded the free bandwidth outbound 21:12 Krock well, that's a success 21:12 sofar cpu usage and all the other metrics fall well within the free tier limits 21:12 sofar yes, it's definitely a success by that metric :) 21:12 sofar it's now serving about 2-3gb a day 21:13 sofar I'm starting to have issues maintaining log files :) 21:14 sofar I've got 6000(!) hits on some media files 21:14 rubenwardy in a month? 21:14 sofar in the past 4 days 21:15 Krock it's hard to believe that so many clients are out there which never cached the media before 21:15 sofar well there's something wrong there 21:15 sofar let me paste some greps: 21:15 Krock ...pastebin? 21:16 sofar I'd never directly paste :P 21:16 Krock who knows? let's select these two lines.. paste. oops. 21:16 sofar https://pastebin.com/raw/rXVzP6RE 21:16 rubenwardy like the time I pasted a data:image/png link in -chat 21:16 rubenwardy pages and pages 21:17 sofar looks like we may have an issue with our media loader 21:17 sofar it repeatedly asks for the same hash 21:17 Krock you already reported that 21:18 sofar obviously I now remember that 21:18 Krock and I tried to do some investigations but never was able to reproduce it locelly 21:18 Krock *locally 21:20 sofar so, it looks like the dupes happen mostly only once, so caching is working on the client 21:20 sofar failsauce multicraft, I bet 21:21 sofar no, also 0.4.16 21:21 sofar heh, even 0.4.17 21:25 sofar https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/clientmedia.cpp#L403 21:25 sofar I don't see it checking if other files have the same hash 21:26 sofar it just looks at filestatus->received and filestatus->sha1 21:26 sofar so yeah, bad 21:27 sofar first, we should patch the server not to send the same hash to the clients twice 21:28 sofar and second, we should patch clients to not ask the media server twice for the same hash 21:32 paramat BillyS maybe your LVM bug is this? #7422 21:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7422 -- Lua_api.txt: Warn of errors possible with use of VoxelArea:index()/indexp() by paramat 21:43 rubenwardy how can I git clone without asking for a password? 21:43 rubenwardy I want it to just fail if auth is needed 21:44 rubenwardy nvm 21:44 rubenwardy answer: git clone -c credential.helper='!f() { cat > /dev/null; echo username=; echo password=; }; f' http://gitlab.com/rubenwardy/food 21:46 sofar git:// ? 21:47 sofar you can have a different fetch and push URL 21:47 rubenwardy git:// didn't work 21:47 rubenwardy although wait 21:47 rubenwardy it just waits forever 22:03 sofar !tell krock :lightbulb: my mtmediasrv daemon needs to filter duplicates, and I don't think it does! 22:03 MinetestBot sofar: I'll pass that on when krock is around 22:21 rubenwardy looool 22:21 rubenwardy just wrote a stack over flow post 22:21 rubenwardy then realised the answer 22:21 rubenwardy rubberducking at its finest 22:22 rubenwardy just so it doesn't go to waste: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/88167015a8d46d33858e70522869e6a6 22:22 rubenwardy the answer is to use http://:@gitlab.com/rubenwardy/food instead 22:22 rubenwardy ie: username and password are empty 22:39 aerozoic $ make -j 22:44 aerozoic found it... $(nproc)