Time Nick Message 00:44 tumeninodes ok well. I would like to mention, the ubuntu/mint ppa update for 0.4.17 is messed up, and is going to, and has probably already impacted a lot of end users. 00:45 tumeninodes not sure if it is est31 who should look at it (I know they are not as active now) but their name is attached to those updates. I'm just letting people know 09:04 rubenwardy Would anyone like to be an editor on CDB? You'll be able to create and maintain packages on behalf of other users, and also be responsible for approving things 09:05 rubenwardy No time commitment 09:07 rubenwardy Also, there's 198 packages currenrly 09:19 IhrFussel Can you set the rightclick repeat to as LOW as you want potentially making a server lag more? 09:20 IhrFussel I sure hope the engine has some check and a minimum time interval or else RIP 09:22 ANAND IhrFussel, there's no such limitation 09:24 IhrFussel Are the devs crazy? I just had a player who reportedly set that value to something very low and I NOTICED 09:24 ANAND How low exactly? :D 09:25 IhrFussel Combined with the fact that you can stack infinite flowers without having to change the position 09:26 IhrFussel I don't know how low but the max_lag spiked for a short amount of time so the most logical explanation would be the low value for the clicking 09:26 ANAND Hmm... quite possible 09:26 IhrFussel Also topic cheating: Setting it to VERY LOW does definitely allow unfair behavior 09:26 IhrFussel Devs supporting cheating on servers? 09:27 ANAND Unfair behaviour <- agreed 09:27 IhrFussel AFAIK you can set both intervals...left and rightclick 09:27 IhrFussel RIP PvP servers 09:27 ANAND Not left-click 09:28 IhrFussel Are you sure? 09:28 ANAND thankfully! 09:28 ANAND Yes 09:28 IhrFussel Someone mentioned that in an issue once 09:28 IhrFussel Maybe the PvP server used right click for punching or some tool that activates on right click 09:28 ANAND About the right-click repetition interval, #7089 09:28 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7089 -- 'Right-click repetition interval' should be a server-side setting 09:28 IhrFussel The devs shot that down 09:29 ANAND yea :/ 09:29 IhrFussel Maybe not server side per-se but the engine should have a hard coded limit SERVER SIDE 09:29 IhrFussel Ignore the client 09:29 ANAND Yes 09:30 ANAND Even better 09:30 IhrFussel The engine should calculate the time between 2 right clicks from the same player and ignore if it's less than 0.X secs 09:31 IhrFussel And maybe make that setting adjustable 09:31 ANAND Agreed 09:33 IhrFussel Also: Not sure if it's already possible but the engine should know the difference between single right click and holding the mouse button down 09:34 IhrFussel It's just bad design if a client can make the server lag with INTENDED behavior 09:37 rubenwardy Finally have a desktop at work 09:37 rubenwardy Compiling big things so need a 40 core 64GB ram machine 09:37 rubenwardy Also have an issued laptop, i7 (quad core @ 4.3GHz) 09:43 ANAND oh nice! :) 09:45 rubenwardy Htop is now sexy asf 09:45 ANAND Htop?? 09:46 nerzhul the linux to is shit 09:46 nerzhul top 09:46 nerzhul the BSD top is nice, but htop is the only top which make linux top clear 09:47 ANAND oh nice 09:47 IhrFussel 2 devs read what I said and NONE of them even reply to it...I guess that means it's time to open an issue to get more attention 09:49 rubenwardy I actually skipped it 09:49 rubenwardy Lololol 09:49 rubenwardy :P 09:49 ANAND haha 09:57 IhrFussel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7418 << if devs ignore this it'll make the whole "what is cheating /hacking" responses by them laughable 10:00 rubenwardy :P 10:13 Calinou The engine should calculate the time between 2 right clicks from the same player and ignore if it's less than 0.X secs 10:13 Calinou problem is, lag spikes can cause two (or more) right clicks to be sent at the same time 10:14 Calinou a more proper way to fix this is adding a client-side minimal value, people can edit it out but it's a start 10:14 IhrFussel Calinou, then the engine should additionally keep track of the dtime 10:14 Calinou doing it server-side isn't reliable due to Minetest's networking :/ 10:15 Calinou >Also, setting this very low allows unfair behavior (cheating) since most other players likely don't even know about this setting or cannot set it because their mobile app doesn't contain this setting. 10:16 Calinou I do not consider configuration tweaks to be cheating though 10:16 Calinou I'm not a cheater if I set hardware gamma to 3.0 :-) 10:16 IhrFussel If these configuration tweaks allow behavior that the server owner doesn't want then it IS cheating IMO 10:16 ANAND Mine's 3.5 :D 10:16 ANAND Hmm, you have a point 10:17 IhrFussel The gamma setting could be cheating too on some very specific servers... we are talking about the ability to make server LAG here though 10:18 IhrFussel The gamma setting cannot spam the server with actions 10:18 IhrFussel I will test it now...will set the repeated rightclick to 0.05 (if possible) and watch my max_lag 10:19 ANAND I've tried 0.01 once, it was unplayable 10:19 ANAND In the sense that it took me 5 minutes to get a door to open 10:22 ANAND not to mention, it lagged so badly that the blocks I placed kept vanishing 10:24 ANAND apparently the server did not register the new blocks, probably they're placed almost simultaneously by the same player 10:33 IhrFussel Ok well the good news is that setting it to 0.01 seconds doesn't seem to increase max_lag by ITSELF ... it can of course still increase the load on a server with already higher regular lags 10:34 IhrFussel And the load it causes depends on the CPU too...not every server owner got a Intel Xeon 10:35 IhrFussel Or better since Xeon isn't that new anymore (2016 I think) 10:40 * rubenwardy is using a Xeon right now 10:40 rubenwardy Sooo good 10:40 ANAND :D 10:40 rubenwardy Kinda want to compile Mt on it 10:40 ANAND IhrFussel, new SKUs of Xeon are still being released afaik 10:41 ANAND Also, CPUs just need to be powerful, new or old doesn't matter when you're talking about 24 hyper-threaded cores running at 2.8 GHz :) 10:43 ANAND New or old does matter however, when the CPU in question is an outlawed dual-core Pentium running at 2.99 GHz (like mine ._.) 10:45 IhrFussel ANAND, only singlecore performance is important for MT yes... and usually newer CPUs also have more efficient tech to allow more power per core 10:46 ANAND Oops! of course... >.< 10:46 ANAND Forgot that Minetest still runs on one core only... 10:47 IhrFussel I don't have the Xeon for myself only of course (I couldn't afford a 1,500$+ CPU) ... but I have guaranteed cores that are not used by others (well almost never used by others) 10:49 IhrFussel Before I ran my server on a AMD Opteron from 2010 ... same world, same mods ... max_lag always 1.5 secs or higher 10:52 ANAND Ouch... 11:13 Calinou Xeons aren't necessarily fast 11:13 Calinou some are 8-year old and still used in production VPSes 11:13 Calinou some only have 4 cores or possibly even 2 11:14 Calinou some of them are rebranded i7 CPUs with the IGP disabled too :) 11:14 Calinou (it was a trick to get a cheap i7-3770 a while ago) 11:18 ANAND Ha lol :P 11:23 Krock rubenwardy, what's to do for the package maintenance? Would be kinda interested 11:24 Krock IhrFussel, the difference between the new rightclick issue and the old is that the server will not tell the client what to use - it just prevents abuse/flood 11:26 IhrFussel Krock, because the "server decides it" idea was shot down by the devs ... maybe my approach makes more sense 11:27 Krock you can clearly see how my opinion differs in these two cases :3 11:27 ANAND :_( 11:30 IhrFussel As long as rightclick flooding becomes impossible I don't mind the exact implementation, but it should be backported to 0.4.X for sure 11:35 Krock IhrFussel, is the disappearing car bug fixed yet? 11:51 rubenwardy Minetest takes 30 seconds to compile from scratch on 40 cores 11:52 Krock Factsthatmakeyoujealous.png 11:52 Krock possibly not using HDDs to get these speeds 11:53 rubenwardy RAID 11:53 Krock RAID SSD $.$ 11:55 * Krock sees VanessaE being busy with importing repos & updating posts 11:55 VanessaE yup. 11:56 * rubenwardy wishes she'd update cdb too 11:56 * rubenwardy needs to make some gitlab repos public 11:56 VanessaE someone else can do that after I'm done. 11:56 rubenwardy Same repo name? 11:56 rubenwardy Could write some SQL to do it 11:56 VanessaE generally yeah 11:57 VanessaE should be little more than s::: to update. 12:02 Calinou rubenwardy: try -j50 or -j60 too 12:02 Calinou (more threads than CPU threads) 12:02 rubenwardy Right 12:02 rubenwardy Will do 12:02 Calinou it can be minutely faster 12:02 Calinou (try 125%, 150% or even 200% of CPU threads) 12:02 rubenwardy Once I've finished compiling LLVM, Linux kernel, and Android 12:03 ANAND Xeon is hyper-threaded, that's 80 logical cores 12:04 Krock what a beast of computer 12:05 ANAND Lucky chap :P 12:05 rubenwardy Don't get to keep it, unfortunately 12:05 rubenwardy Or my laptop 12:05 rubenwardy :D 12:05 VanessaE tell the boss it got stolen :P 12:05 ANAND XD 12:06 rubenwardy Technically not lying 12:08 VanessaE heh 12:28 IhrFussel Krock, nope still happens an not sure how to fix it...or maybe it's a bug in the network code 12:28 IhrFussel and* 12:31 IhrFussel I also don't know when it started happening...could be since I updated to 0.4.17-dev (Dec 4) 12:33 rubenwardy 30 seconds again with -j80 12:34 ANAND Overclock your CPU then 8) 12:38 Fixer Hey, little drums! 13:02 VanessaE rubenwardy: done. 13:02 VanessaE all my repos have been moved and relevant forum topics updated. 13:04 VanessaE (the "fun" part is gonna be 50 bazillion "git remote set-url" commands to update my local copies :P ) 13:06 Krock ./my_powerful_script.sh 13:09 VanessaE heh 13:09 VanessaE too lazy to script it 13:09 VanessaE besides, the important part's done, I can just deal with my local copies as needed. 13:14 lisac https://gitea.io/en-US/ 13:14 Fixer We are the Procrastinator generation! 13:14 Fixer lisac: get over it 13:14 Fixer .____. 13:14 * lisac hates MS 13:14 Fixer nobody going to move unless MS starts doing bad stuff 13:15 lisac http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2018-06-03#i_5320236 13:16 VanessaE Fixer: s/nobody/people are/; s/unless/when/ 13:16 VanessaE you know perfectly well MS WILL start doing bad stuff, and shittons of people have already moved. 13:17 VanessaE (gitlab's traffic jumped 300x) 13:17 VanessaE the traffic got so high at one point that gitHUB started to struggle. 13:22 lisac and besides, theres really nothing keeping us on GitHub except habbit 13:22 lisac *habit 13:22 VanessaE yup 13:22 lisac it really has no unique features we need 13:23 Fixer VanessaE: if that happens, then yes 13:24 VanessaE there's no "if", Fixer. 13:24 VanessaE it WILl happen. 13:25 Fixer VanessaE: it will be evident, no need to move now 13:25 VanessaE perhaps, perhaps not, but better to move before MS locks you out. 13:26 Fixer how they lock out our code? 13:26 VanessaE you know one of the things they'll be just ITCHING to do is require a Windows Live or some other MS-only scheme for website lofin 13:26 VanessaE login* 13:27 rdococ Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't GitHub proprietary anyway? 13:27 VanessaE and they could block anonymous git access too if they wanted (limiting such to only logged-in-with-Win-Live accounts) 13:27 Fixer VanessaE: you can still login in skype via live or via original acc iirc 13:27 Fixer i guess the same will be true for GH 13:27 VanessaE Fixer: you're missing the point 13:27 Krock rdococ, independent proprietary is still better than owner by some large company 13:27 Krock s/ner/ned/ 13:27 Fixer VanessaE: they can, but they don't do it yet 13:28 Fixer gitlab is private entity as well and can be aquaired by any shitcorp like Google or so 13:28 rdococ Krock: True, but regardless, my point is even if MS does nothing wrong that we should migrate. 13:28 VanessaE better google than MS, Fixer . 13:28 Fixer acquaired* 13:29 rdococ Fixer: Which is why I advocated migration to notabug.org 13:31 VanessaE point is, get out now, while you still have control. 13:31 VanessaE leaving nothing behind but an empty shell of an account. 13:31 lisac what about self hosting? 13:31 lisac something like git.minetest.net? 13:31 rdococ ^ 13:31 Fixer VanessaE: you will loose userbase 13:32 VanessaE More for devs to maintain. 13:32 VanessaE no, better to let someone else handle that. 13:32 Fixer VanessaE: i mean all those github people will need to god damn register on yet another service to commit to this game 13:32 lisac Fixer: most of minetest userbase is downloading from official site, not compiling from Github 13:32 lisac or Play store, I guess 13:32 VanessaE Fixer: oh cry me a river :-/ 13:32 rdococ Fixer: What... 13:33 Krock Atlantic ocean crying.. anyone? 13:33 Fixer the fact that everyone is on github helps, I don't to spend with that bullshit registration on every shitzilla just to post 1 fucking bug 13:33 rdococ That's... it takes *sooo* much effort to register for gitlab 13:33 Fixer don't want to spend* 13:33 Fixer time** 13:33 rdococ Ugh, how I hate typing things into a few text boxes 13:33 rdococ even though I type in IRC all the time 13:33 VanessaE 5 minutes of time and one new line in your passwords file. come on man 13:33 Fixer i fed up with this shit 13:33 Shara There are people who genuinely will refuse to contribute if it means registering somewhere new. 13:33 Shara We've had people refuse to join github too. 13:34 Fixer every bitch wants me to register to his shit, fuck them 13:34 VanessaE Shara: and nothing of value was lost 13:34 ANAND Calm down please :) 13:34 rdococ Oof... 13:34 Fixer do a proper internet-wide trustable auth thing 13:34 Shara VanessaE: actually you can't know, but on github, probably not, since most people join it 13:34 VanessaE Fixer: you DO realize you can still clone anonymously, right? 13:34 Shara If moving to something more obscure... odds of losing real contributors do increase 13:35 Fixer but I still need to register to post a bugreport 13:35 rdococ For fucks sake, just register... 13:35 Fixer and some people use stuff like bugzilla, jira, mantis, sourceforge insane thing, need to register on all of them and navigate their criptic UIs 13:35 VanessaE Fixer: in the time you've spent bitching about it, you could have registered already 13:35 Shara Most regular contributors will, but you can easily lose those who would have made one of contributions... (and some of those would become regulars in time) 13:35 rdococ Fixer: Gitlab does not have a cryptic UI... 13:36 VanessaE besides, I think gitlab lets you register via your github account 13:36 Fixer now, that is interesting option 13:36 Shara I'm amused you tell Fixer to register and there is no official plan to move there yet :) 13:36 VanessaE not unlike registering on some random site via facebarf. 13:36 xerox123 > moving when there are no issues 13:36 xerox123 > wot 13:36 rdococ I deleted my facebarf account 13:37 Fixer or openttd, shit, I had to mail some dudes so they can register me in, that is insane 13:37 Fixer hidden somewhere in deep state interwebs 13:37 rdococ Holy fucking shit, none of this shit applies to GitLab 13:37 lisac We could have mailing lists, that way people don't need a new account 13:37 rdococ I think Fixer is being satirical... 13:37 Fixer mailing lists need UI overhaul, they are super simple, I need more advanced UI 13:38 rdococ Definitely satire...? 13:39 Fixer i don't use facebook, don't register via it 13:40 Fixer just tired, i don't want back to that time when every bitch wants me to register just to post a bug about spelling error 13:42 Fixer that is my rant for now 13:42 rdococ I tuned out when you said deep state 13:43 Fixer it is obscure meme from trump people 13:43 rdococ Yes, the trump people 13:44 Fixer it is also getting very annoying when some probably paid trolls insert Hillary related stuff on first comments on slashdot 13:48 lisac hmm... 13:48 lisac http://savannah.nongnu.org 13:48 Fixer rdococ: there is also a book called Deep State or smth, probably nice one for guys loving conspiracy 13:48 rubenwardy Ee 13:48 rubenwardy * ew 13:48 Fixer lisac: just no 13:48 Fixer their UI is disorienting me 13:49 lisac hmm there is a nice compass app you can find in the Play Store 13:49 Fixer it does the job, but on github it like super easy, and here I need to use my glasses and reread everything 13:49 lisac and this https://i.redd.it/bs18fsiary111.png 13:50 lisac lol https://johansen.software/github-xp/ 13:50 Fixer lisac: possibly 14:00 rdococ lisac: is that real? 14:01 lisac rdococ: which one? 14:01 rdococ the notification 14:02 lisac don't know, found it on reddit 14:03 rdococ speaking of reddit, https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/8oyndj/calm_down_microsoft_already_knows_enough_about_you/ 14:06 Krock had like a zero less in the upvote count the last time 14:07 rdococ I'd like to create a social networking site but I'd have no idea where to start 14:22 VanessaE 13 14:22 VanessaE oops 14:22 Krock sudo rm -rf /* 14:23 VanessaE heh 14:23 Krock sorry wrong window 8) 14:23 rdococ how would I get a website of the form rdococ.gitlab.io up and running? 14:23 Krock rdococ, create a gitlab repo like on github, I guess? 14:24 Krock using the website name, if gitlab offers that feature 14:25 VanessaE I think you want https://about.gitlab.com/features/pages/ 14:26 rdococ I was just on that 14:26 rdococ I'm stuck at step 4 14:42 nerzhul Krock: sudo dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda 14:43 Krock dd, the 2nd most dangerous command after rm 14:44 Krock why not /dev/urandom though? 14:44 nerzhul Krock yeah, urandom on linux else we will wait the rng too many 14:44 nerzhul dd is more dangerous as random users don't know the command and what is /dev/sda :D 14:45 nerzhul sudo find / -exec sed -i 's/.*//g' {} \; 14:45 nerzhul it's nice too :D 15:06 celeron55 dd is more dangerous because you practically never run it as non-root 15:08 xerox123 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PTn37qnWw3/ 15:08 rdococ root is dangerous, only eat the stem 15:09 ANAND lol 15:11 xerox123 I keep getting that error (see pastebin) 15:12 * rdococ yays, and hugs xerox123 15:12 xerox123 homedecor moved to gitlab I see 15:13 rdococ I want to create a mod that adds a "totem of undying", except it would be crafted with fish and gold 15:14 * rdococ clones the minetest repo from gitlab~ 15:14 BillyS Anyone have any idea what could be causing this funny glitch: https://imgur.com/a/EdSGTbl? 15:15 rdococ looks like a node being placed and removed in your head repeatedly? 15:16 ANAND What node tho? 15:16 rdococ although if that were the case it should be invisible... 15:16 ANAND probably looks like a mese lamp 15:18 xerox123 I see it behind me when I'm running forward using F7 too 15:18 BillyS rdococ, that was my thought too 15:18 BillyS But it doesn't hapen to me 15:18 BillyS *happen 15:19 rdococ suddenly, computer lag 15:20 BillyS Figured it out 15:20 xerox123 it was the goggle glass titanium on my hotbar 15:21 rdococ o_O 15:23 rdococ hi me 15:23 rdococ and hi my IP -_- 15:35 IhrFussel I don't get why many of you try to hide their IP...every website you visit will get it, every server you connect to will get it, lots of companies already got it (unless it's dynamic) 15:36 ANAND IhrFussel: on IRC? 15:36 IhrFussel Using a VPN would make more sense because people don't get the impression that you're trying to hide something and instead show a fake IP 15:38 IhrFussel Not just IRC...in general ... I don't get why it's so "bad" to show your IP publicly ... all it does it telling the estimated location and ISP 15:39 IhrFussel The location is mostly completely wrong and points to another city 15:47 rdococ I know where they ays 15:49 rubenwardy IPs may be static, and you could be ddos 15:50 rubenwardy For anon people they may not want people to know their location 15:50 rubenwardy But don't mind service owners knowing it 16:10 Fixer install ublock origin, privacy budger, maybe noscript if you a zealot, if you don't watch, their spying is useless, unless they sell you out in different way 16:22 IhrFussel I find this silly, the IP is nothing like your real name, phone number, address, or other private info ... I doubt that a DDos can affect a private connection behind a router 16:24 IhrFussel At least in Germany all private connections are behind a router which doesn't even let you connect from outside unless the person enables port forwarding 16:31 Calinou IP-based location is not *that* accurate 16:31 Calinou also, the DDoS issue is only really problematic for streamers and the like 16:31 Calinou still, you should use SASL to connect :) 16:31 Calinou so that you're logged into NickServ before you're connected to the server 16:35 rdococ Has anyone else worked on a mod which allows you to enable and disable sets of privs at once? 16:41 benrob0329 rdococ: no, but I'd imagine you build a list of users who have a priv and remove the priv from them, then take that list and reapply it once enabled again 16:42 rdococ I'm working on a metapriv mod (by analogy with "metapackages" that only serve to add packages) 16:43 ANAND That's nice, good luck! 16:47 rdococ Trying to avoid unnecessary for loops 16:52 rdococ success! I crashed minetest 16:53 rdococ are there still frequent crashes in the latest commit? 17:00 tumeninodes has anyone, had the same issues I am having with the new ubuntu/mint ppa0 update for 0.4.17? it would be the 64bit xenial build 17:03 sofar VanessaE: I'm removing you from minetest-mods entirely, and restoring the mods you removed from the minetest-mods organization 17:03 sofar if you're willing to discuss this without doing vandalism and want to it over, I'm more than happy to listen 17:04 sofar but removing mods without discussion from minetest-mods is not the way to do this 17:04 IhrFussel rdococ, I think I saw such a mod in the forum...one sec 17:05 Krock rdococ, yet the source of these crashes is not entirely clear 17:07 rdococ My register_on_priv_grant callback doesn't seem to be called? 17:08 IhrFussel rdococ, sorry looks like I misremembered 17:09 Krock rdococ, are you using the most recent 0.5.0-dev version? (builtin inclusive) 17:10 rdococ Krock: I just compiled 17:10 Krock poke rubenwardy 17:10 xerox123 looks like the great fire of London is taking round 2, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44389565 17:15 rdococ hm, where is debug.txt? 17:16 rdococ there seems to be an error in builtin/game/register.lua line 448 17:16 rdococ lines 447 and 448: if not def or not def["on_" .. method] or not def[priv]["on_" .. method](name, caller) then -- looks like def[priv] should just be def or vice versa 17:20 VanessaE sofar: er, no vandalism intended.... I just moved everything to gitlab 17:20 Krock rdococ, --> PR 17:20 sofar you deleted 15+ repos from minetest-mods, without even asking 17:20 sofar that is not acceptable 17:21 sofar I've restored them, at least the code 17:21 VanessaE *shrug* I told you ahead of time that I wanted them "returned" 17:21 Krock rubenwardy, is it normal for the CDB to timeout right now? importing a repo doesn't seem to work currently 17:21 sofar there is no *returning* from minetest-mods 17:21 sofar you left, the code stays 17:21 sofar feel free to work on gitlab 17:21 xerox123 can someone please help me with this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X79VSbDMVF/ 17:22 xerox123 only happened after I moved to 0.4.17 17:22 sofar feel free to clone everything and develop outside github 17:22 sofar but deleting repos from github? fuck that 17:22 sofar I was on vacation for 5+ days, you didn't discuss anything in detail 17:23 Krock xerox123, activate unifieddyes 17:23 Krock it's not a 0.4.17 fault 17:25 xerox123 oh. thanks :D 17:26 VanessaE like I said, vandalism was not my intent. 17:30 xerox123 that error now leads onto this one: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nzCKr9y26p/ 17:30 Krock fix homedecor 17:32 Krock xerox123, changed due to bug #7044 17:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7044 -- MetaDataRef:set_int does not check argument types 17:32 Krock change that to :set_string("key", "") 17:33 xerox123 ok 17:33 Shara sofar: why must mods be available there specifically? Why is it an issue so long as they are available? 17:34 xerox123 Krock: like this? this_spawner_meta:set_string("smoky", id) 17:34 xerox123 this_spawner_meta:set_string("sound", nil) 17:35 Krock xerox123, no, like :set_string("smoky", "") and :set_string("sound", "") 17:35 Krock empty values are garbage and removed 17:35 rubenwardy Github redirects if you move away 17:35 rubenwardy Krock: ctrl-shift-r 17:35 xerox123 ok 17:35 Krock rubenwardy, question is when this happens - only for moving in GitHub or always 17:35 rubenwardy And for massive mods like dreambuilder it will timeout 17:35 rubenwardy Well yeah, sorry 17:36 rubenwardy When you move away within github 17:36 rubenwardy Not when you go to other sites 17:36 * Krock suggests to import the README in the CDB too 17:37 rubenwardy It has lots of additional information 17:37 rubenwardy Usually pointless 17:37 rubenwardy I'll end up having to delete most of it 17:39 Krock oh. 17:39 Krock I also noticed that the title for releases is now limited to 30 characters. noticed it after trying to submit one with 100 :3 17:45 VanessaE sofar: bottom line: what you have there are, as far as I am concerned, just forks now - what I have on gitlab is upstream and is where all issues, PRs, etc. should be directed. I disagree with your having restored those mods, as I want nothing to do with github anymore, but whatever. 17:45 rdococ on_grant seems to be called regardless of whether the priv was already granted... hm 17:46 VanessaE xerox123: about that homedecor glitch, please file an issue about it on my repo. I believe someone mentioned it before, also. 17:46 xerox123 github or gitlab? 17:46 VanessaE gitlab. 17:47 VanessaE https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack 17:47 VanessaE there we go 17:47 Krock xerox123, both places to ensure it's reported 17:47 VanessaE haven't committed the new URLs to memory yet. 17:47 xerox123 I'll see later, editing a video right now 17:47 VanessaE ok 17:48 Shara Isn't it against mt-mods own rules to have forks? :) 17:49 rubenwardy I don't think it's right to ban divorces 17:50 CWz_ Nice one 17:51 CWz_ VanessaE, are all your mods on gitlab now 17:51 VanessaE yes. 17:51 Krock texturepacks and modpacks too? 17:52 Krock (checklist) 17:52 VanessaE https://gitlab.com/users/VanessaE/projects 17:52 VanessaE everything I have control over. 17:52 VanessaE (that is, everything that I maintain) 17:52 Krock hmm.. NURBCBIGPBFMPUPUCSH 17:53 VanessaE ? 17:53 Krock the project icons. top to bottom 17:53 VanessaE oh heh 17:54 Krock would almost show "BIG... PUSH" 17:55 VanessaE the letters are obvious, but I wonder what the colors mean. 17:56 ANAND https://github.com/KaiGerdMueller/minetest-bot-collection 17:58 nerzhul ANAND: lol a shell script which exec a python script which exec a blob jar 17:58 ANAND Auto-click / auto-eat functionalities all-in-one mod :D 17:58 nerzhul jar can contain anything and is non traceable 17:58 nerzhul like stealike your all data 17:58 ANAND Quite likely 17:58 ANAND Considering the track-record of the author, I wouldn't be surprised... 18:01 rubenwardy What if MS bought github so that people would move to gitlab who use azure 18:01 rubenwardy And also move github to azure so more profit as well 18:03 VanessaE rubenwardy: you just *know* they're gonna demand a Win Live account soon. 18:03 ANAND That's clever, actually 18:08 IhrFussel Anyone here using the ambience mod by tenplus1 on their server(s) and also hearing random glass break sounds? 18:13 VanessaE maybe you keep walking over broken glass? :) 18:13 Krock my reaction to people asking when 0.5.0 will be out: http://krock-works.16mb.com/u/minetest_050_release_date.mp4 18:14 rdococ now I'm getting a cryptic error message related to minetest.chat_send_all 18:15 ANAND That's one function which just can't throw any errors even if you try to make it :P 18:15 rdococ I get a runtime error from a mod whose name is the empty string 18:15 rdococ And the error itself is literally just 'singleplayer' 18:15 rdococ I'd paste it if I knew where debug.txt was 18:16 ANAND linux? 18:16 rdococ (or where it went, I'm sure it was in the repo folder...) 18:16 rdococ xubuntu 18.04, iirc 18:16 rdococ Client: HexChat 2.14.1 â€¢ OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 â€¢ CPU: AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics (1.16GHz) â€¢ Memory: Physical: 3.2 GiB Total (1.3 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (1.8 GiB Free) â€¢ Storage: 0 bytes / 0 bytes (0 bytes Free) â€¢ Uptime: 6d 7h 28m 15s 18:16 rdococ it can't detect my storage 18:16 rdococ lol 18:16 ANAND Try /usr/share/minetest/bin 18:17 rdococ I installed with -drun_in_place 18:18 ANAND not in .minetest/bin ? 18:18 ANAND *minetest/bin 18:18 rdococ nope... 18:19 ANAND Check in ur /home 18:19 rdococ there's no debug.txt or minetest folder there 18:19 rdococ except for the one I made which has clones of the repo in it 18:20 Krock > I installed with -drun_in_place 18:20 Krock RUN_IN_PLACE does not need to be installed. run it directly 18:20 rdococ no, I compiled with that flag 18:21 Krock cd ./bin/ && ./minetest 18:21 ANAND Did you check in /bin? :P 18:21 IhrFussel My server is probably haunted 18:21 Krock IhrFussel, hire ghostbusters 18:21 rdococ ANAND: yes, Krock: you mean with terminal open? 18:21 IhrFussel Players report random glass-breaking sounds and random steel ladder sounds 18:22 Krock rdococ, either that or punch holes into the programming card to feed it to your computing machine 18:23 ANAND IhrFussel: ambience detects the players surroundings to play an appropriate sound. My guess is that one of your mods is messing with this behaviour 18:23 ANAND rdococ: Did you disable logging altogether, by chance? 18:23 rdococ 2018-06-06 19:23:05: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod '' in callback on_chat_message(): singleplayer 18:24 ANAND mod's code please :) 18:26 rdococ error occurs regardless of whether I have the debug chat messages or not... 18:27 rdococ looks like I fixed that 18:27 rdococ but the mod still doesn't seem to work, hm 18:29 rdococ what, set_player_privs just seems to refuse to work 18:31 rdococ can you not set player privs from on_grant? 18:32 rubenwardy Sounds like a bad idea 18:32 rubenwardy Infinite loop 18:32 rdococ only if a metapriv tries to grant itself 18:33 rdococ although you do make a good point, someone could rig a metapriv to grant itself recursively (either directly or non-directly) 18:34 rdococ ugh, segfault again 18:34 rdococ and my keys (E for inventory) don't save? 18:35 rdococ minetest 0.5.0: the bug releaseâ„¢ (jk, ik it's dev) 18:44 rdococ okay, now the privs keep being granted and revoked from me repeatedly for no reason like an infinite loop that smehow doesn't involve my code 18:51 rdococ looks like I fixed it, hooyay 19:24 MinetestBot tenplus1: Jun-04 20:14 UTC i'm going to start kicking you instead of warning because you are repeatedly and conciously breaking channel rules, and are one of the worst offenders. refusing to use more than 1 channel is lazy, rude and inconsiderate, this is not your personal channel. sorry to have to discipline :) 19:25 tenplus1 hi folks 19:26 tenplus1 hey Krock 19:26 Krock hi tenplus1 19:26 tenplus1 is anyone else having crashes with 0.4.17 on their servers ??? 19:26 garywhite hello 19:26 tenplus1 hi gary 19:26 garywhite I keep getting timed out 19:27 tenplus1 damn, so 0.4.17 isnt the great bugfix we were hoping for 19:27 Krock tenplus1, Lua or C++ crash? 19:27 Krock report it 19:28 tenplus1 c++, and I did: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7419 19:28 tumeninodes hi tenplus1 19:28 tumeninodes HAAAAAAAAA!!! 19:28 Fixer tenplus1: hi, please provide a backtrace of the crash 19:28 Fixer tenplus1: somewhere on PPA there are debug builds that you can run under gdb 19:29 Krock tenplus1, observed this bug too and didn't expect it to be present ni 0.4.17 too. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a1598e1b83e2#diff-4e3f0a64f234ea624dbf1b329eb56bd9R157 19:30 Krock caused by calling deprecated function in the Lua code directly without any callbacks 19:30 Krock Fixer, no need for a backtrace in this case 19:30 Fixer okay, nice 19:30 Fixer i hope that can be fixed and point release redone 19:30 sfan5 so why did nobody test backports before it was released? 19:31 tenplus1 hi tumeninodes 19:31 tenplus1 hey Fixer 19:31 Fixer i don't run servers :} 19:31 garywhite I thought you guys fixed the "up-arrow bug" from 0.4.16? 19:31 tenplus1 we need a dev that has a server to test these things on 19:31 Fixer sfan5: maybe minetest needs release candidates 19:32 tenplus1 also what deprecated function ? can it be fixed in lua or does it have to be c++ 19:32 sfan5 tenplus1: we have one, he's called rubenwardy 19:32 tumeninodes sorry tenplus1, I see you're having a bad time. But I was over excited to beat you for once 19:32 rubenwardy lol 19:32 sfan5 Fixer: no, maybe server owners should actually participate in the dev process 19:32 sfan5 i thought this was why -hub existrs 19:32 tenplus1 lol tumeninodes, that's ok :) 19:32 sfan5 s/rs$/s/ 19:32 tumeninodes there should just be a dedicated dev server for all devs to use to test with 19:33 tenplus1 we spend the evening updating xanadu to 0,4.17 only for this to crash and reset server on a loop... wasnt nice... had to return to 0.4.16 19:33 rubenwardy #dreambuilder https://i.rubenwardy.com/EaXMu.png 19:33 Fixer sfan5: releasing RC and pushing it to people for few weeks is better IMO, people are scared to run git versions I guess 19:33 sfan5 yes we should have done that 19:33 Krock even with more weeks of testing/freezing phase this hadn't changed anything since the server owners rely on stable releases 19:35 tumeninodes funny thing about bugs..., they multiply 19:35 Krock rubenwardy, time for a megaworld modpack which at least includes dreambuilder and the top 100 mods used on servers 19:35 garywhite 2 questions, 1. I have to report the up-arrow bug again, I take it that should be filed under the program and not mt_game? and 2. It's still on GitHub, right? 19:35 tenplus1 this is why binary builds would have been a great idea for testing rather than hoping ppl wouldb compile it themselves 19:36 longerstaff13 garywhite: Microsoft bis acquiring github 19:36 longerstaff13 is* 19:36 garywhite I know 19:36 sfan5 tenplus1: you host on windows, right? 19:36 tenplus1 hell no... xubuntu 17.10 19:36 sfan5 hmm 19:36 tenplus1 will update to 18.04 soon tho 19:36 longerstaff13 lol 19:37 sfan5 i remember one popular server using windows 19:37 sfan5 tenplus1: in that case, we don't provide binary builds for linux and have never done so 19:37 sfan5 wouldn't have helped here 19:37 tenplus1 Clip's Server ran windows :) 19:37 tenplus1 that was a while ago tho 19:40 Krock Fixer, coming back to the gdb suggestion. In this case it would only help to see what Lua function is causing the crash - so the mod directory could be grep'ed to see which code line must be changed to work around it 19:42 tumeninodes in other news, I guess I may as well, rebuild my own version of MTG over from scratch using 0.5.0-dev. Rebuilding it from 0.4.16 or 17 just doesn't seem to make sense at this stage 19:42 Shara Really, even I'm not insane enough to host a server on windows :) 19:42 Fixer maikerumine ran on windows 19:43 garywhite I've done it temporarily on my laptop once I figured out port forwarding, it made the fan go to full speed with an external cooling fan attached 19:43 tumeninodes there are some servers which run dev builds (which is insane) 19:44 tenplus1 how stable is 0.5 just now ? 19:44 Shara garywhite: I've done small test servers on windows before, but I'd never run my actual real public MT servers from it 19:45 tumeninodes I've had no issues with it, not sure I'd rely on it for a server though, with many players 19:45 tenplus1 o/ shara 19:45 Shara Hi 11 :) 19:45 tenplus1 so the question is, will 0.4.17 have these bugs fixed and be re-released as stable 0.4.17.1 19:45 tumeninodes Hello madam Shara :D 19:45 Shara Hi tumeninodes :D 19:46 tumeninodes you mean a bug fix for the bug fix? 19:46 tenplus1 this was meant to be a stable release 19:46 tumeninodes bug fix release 19:47 tumeninodes to fix quirky things 19:47 tenplus1 oh this wasnt quirky, it was full blown crash loop 19:47 Shara Well, lack of testers will lead to this... 19:48 Shara But then ease of testing is an issue 19:48 rdococ yay, 0.4.18 19:48 tenplus1 typically with 0.4.16 I tested dev versions on server as each deb came out and I was happy using it... with 0.4.16 nothing came out until the final release 19:48 Shara I assume you mean with 0.4.17? 19:48 Shara (for the second) 19:48 tenplus1 ah yes 19:48 tenplus1 my bad 19:49 Shara We did actually update Dark Lands (or sniper did, because he's more awesome about this stuff than I am).. but I've been too busy to watch closely for errors. 19:49 tenplus1 this is why we need pre-build binaries for testers, compiling yourself is a pain in the ass and most ppl cant be bothered doing it each update 19:50 Shara Though I think if there had been major issues someone would have yelled at me. 19:50 garywhite Minetest 0.4.18 Beta 1 19:50 tenplus1 lol gary 19:50 tumeninodes idk, I completely moved all my folders, then did an update via ppa, and had weird shtuff going on. Had to wipe folders, uninstall and reinstall 2 times till it is all "normal" now I guess 19:53 tumeninodes there were some changes I thought we're in 0.4.17 but realize now I was mistaken. 19:55 tumeninodes tenplus1, have you tried using Calinou's portable build for 0.5.0? 19:55 tenplus1 for linux ? 19:55 tumeninodes yes 19:55 tumeninodes https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837 19:55 tenplus1 not yet, portable would be kewl, run on place ? 19:55 tumeninodes that is what rubenwardy pointed me to 19:56 tenplus1 ohh, compile yourself build, gotcha... 19:56 tumeninodes and updating is simply pull and make j-(how many cores) 19:56 tenplus1 0.5 has daily builds for ubuntu/mint I can install and test 19:57 tenplus1 no need to compile, only issue is now many servers using 0.5 and I cant connect to xanadu using it 19:57 tumeninodes ahhh 19:58 tumeninodes I have .minetest 0.4.17 , and minetest 0.5.0, which makes me happy 19:59 sfan5 hm 19:59 sfan5 there is no server that runs on windows in the top 40 20:00 rubenwardy good 20:00 rubenwardy XD 20:00 rdococ IIRC, latest 0.5.0-dev build has an error in builtin/game/register.lua:448. would do a PR but I'd probably fuck it up. 20:00 tenplus1 heh 20:01 tumeninodes how many windows servers are there? 20:01 Krock too many 20:01 tumeninodes ha 20:01 rdococ it should be "not def["on_" .. method](name, caller) then" as opposed to "...def[priv]..." 20:01 tumeninodes oh , that's good to know rdococ, thanks 20:02 tenplus1 did you post issue or pull to fix it ? 20:02 rdococ Was planning to post it as an issue 20:02 sfan5 tumeninodes: a quick calculation says about 21 20:03 rdococ but couldn't find an issues section on gitlab? 20:03 rubenwardy it's a mirror 20:03 tenplus1 *shudder* gitlab 20:03 tenplus1 no sir, I don't like it 20:03 rdococ ah 20:03 rdococ rubenwardy: so it's tsetenim 20:03 tumeninodes that's a pretty low count considering how many servers but, pretty reasonable for a mostly Linux project 20:04 Krock rdococ, no it's Wá´‰uÇÊ‡ÇsÊ‡ 20:04 tumeninodes bugtest 20:05 rdococ Ê‡sÇÊ‡ÇuÄ±É¯ 20:05 tumeninodes is the Russian? 20:05 tumeninodes :P 20:05 rdococ Ê‡uck 20:05 rdococ yÊ‡y! 20:06 tumeninodes I'm gonna piss everyone off and go with sourceforge ; ) 20:06 tenplus1 why not, was the biggest before github :) 20:07 tumeninodes deal with it 8^) 20:07 tenplus1 am thinking of notabug.org , I find it familiar and fast/simple to use 20:07 tumeninodes if no one has checked lately, sourceforge has made some changes and is trying to cashin on this whole thing too 20:08 tumeninodes https://sourceforge.net/ 20:08 tumeninodes a migrate tool n everthang 20:09 rdococ lol, I wonder what other sites are trying to cash in on this 20:09 tenplus1 hi Gael-de-Sailly 20:09 tenplus1 hi mister 20:09 rubenwardy VanessaE: congratulations 20:09 Mr_Pardison Hiya the 20:10 VanessaE ? 20:10 rubenwardy this is package 200: https://content.minetest.net/packages/VanessaE/nixie_tubes/ 20:10 Mr_Pardison *10+1 20:10 VanessaE oh heh 20:10 tumeninodes Hi Vanessa (big hug) yes, it's awkward.., just go with it 20:10 tumeninodes :D 20:11 VanessaE hugs are fine :) 20:11 Mr_Pardison Everyone needs a hug every so often 20:11 tumeninodes hugs are awesome..., unless they're not 20:11 tenplus1 hi Vanessa 20:11 VanessaE hi 20:12 tenplus1 are your servers on 0.4.17 yet ? 20:12 VanessaE they're late 0.4.x, but not 0.4.17-release 20:13 VanessaE *checks* 20:13 VanessaE 3d0617c9 (Feb. 2) 20:13 tenplus1 yeah, xanadu is back on 0.4.16 july 19th 20:13 VanessaE ok, maybe not so late. 20:13 VanessaE but, they're stable, no reason to update right now. 20:14 tumeninodes afk 20:15 rdococ #7421 20:15 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7421 -- on_grant and on_revoke callback bug 20:16 rdococ OOH, nixie tube mod! 20:17 tenplus1 saw that, looked pretty good :) 20:18 rdococ the idea of tiny vacuum tubes is also cool 20:18 VanessaE you never noticed it before, rdococ? 20:18 rdococ ? 20:18 VanessaE nixies. 20:18 rdococ yes, they do resemble vacuum tubes 20:19 VanessaE I mean the mod 20:19 rdococ how old is the mod? 20:19 VanessaE um.. 20:19 tenplus1 20 years and 3 days 20:19 rdococ ah 20:19 VanessaE about 2 years 20:19 VanessaE almost to the daty 20:20 VanessaE day* 20:20 tenplus1 damn I was so close 20:20 VanessaE June 9 2015 20:20 rdococ ooh, in 3 days it'll be the mod's birthday 20:20 Gael-de-Sailly so 3 years? 20:20 Krock tenplus1, just a zero off 20:20 VanessaE huh, yeah almost 3 years 20:20 Krock it's 2017 where VanessaE lives. TIme zones. 20:20 rdococ happy early birthday to nixie_tubes 20:21 tenplus1 yeh... better watch my offtopic, Paramat has already said he'd kick my ass 20:21 VanessaE no, gitlab just rounded the interval down :P 20:21 Krock like literally 20:21 rdococ if paramat kicks your ass then I'm using paramaters in my functions 20:21 tenplus1 lol 20:22 Krock rdococ, keep all relevant information in a global table called "minetest" 20:22 rdococ lol 20:22 VanessaE so I guess this is the wrong place to mention random crap about my 3d printer, like how it just finished a part. :) 20:22 * VanessaE pokes tenplus1 20:22 VanessaE :) 20:22 rdococ 3d print a 3d printer 20:22 Krock when it's built with pistons everything's fine 20:22 tenplus1 so long as the 3d printer is running in minetest, let's talk :PP 20:22 * tenplus1 wishes he had one 20:23 VanessaE there's one on my creative server I think :) 20:23 rdococ if 3d printers can't print themselves, that's kinda sad. humans can print themselves and they're not even printers! 20:23 rdococ okay, well, it's not an exact replica but you get my point. 20:23 tenplus1 what did you print Vanessa ? 20:24 VanessaE tenplus1: some bearing mounts... for the printer that printed them ;) 20:24 VanessaE (doing some upgrades later) 20:24 Mr_Pardison Lol 20:25 * tenplus1 would so print a million keyrings :D 20:26 Mr_Pardison I would print some helpful mobs. 20:26 tenplus1 aww, a mini lava flan night-light... that woudl be soo cute 20:26 VanessaE I printed pipeworks pipes a while back :) 20:27 tenplus1 can place him next to vanessa's pipeworks prints 20:27 tenplus1 yeah, saw those :) kewl 20:27 VanessaE https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2640546 20:27 VanessaE (just to try to steer this back to MT-related :) ) 20:28 tenplus1 VanessaE: I made a part for 3d pipeworks: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1778066 20:28 VanessaE heh 20:30 benrob0329 minetest toys when? :PP 20:30 rdococ > minetest lego mesecon wire that actually works < 20:31 tenplus1 hi benrob, also yeah. that woudl be a kewl thing... we'd prolly all buy some 20:31 Mr_Pardison Lego my eggo 20:31 rdococ a mesecon brick would come in shapes such as straight, t junction, etc. and would have two copper tubes to make a circuit 20:31 Mr_Pardison Id buy some 20:32 rdococ although if you have wire that goes to a dead end you'd have to cap it off with something to connect the two wires so it forms a complete circuit 20:33 tenplus1 dungeon master sentry toy that makes a sound when someone enters :DDDD 20:33 rdococ dun dun yay 20:33 Mr_Pardison I would sooooo get that 20:33 tenplus1 mese monster bath toy to float around and squirt out water 20:34 rdococ real life luacontrollers 20:34 rdococ with digiline lego support 20:34 tenplus1 yeah, teach kids electronics the simple way 20:34 tenplus1 comes complete with lagg :P 20:35 rdococ it'd be fun to have a slightly more realistic electric system 20:35 rdococ e.g. if they actually had to be complete circuits 20:36 Mr_Pardison rdococ: for technic cabling to work, there has to be a switching station. 20:37 tenplus1 ooh, dirt monster garden ornament.... and sand monster kitty litter item 20:38 tenplus1 nite folks o/ 20:42 rdococ Mr_Pardison: technic isn't for computing though, it's for transferring energy to machines 20:42 rdococ there's no, say, technic 'and' gate or whatever 20:43 Mr_Pardison Yeah. Just said as an example of wiring 20:52 lisac http://www.darklegacycomics.com/548 20:52 lisac ooops 20:52 lisac wrong channel 20:53 Mr_Pardison Hello lisac 20:53 lisac hey Mr_Pardison 20:55 rdococ Hello. Two lifeforms registered as present. 21:15 rdococ lisac: that page crashes the tab 22:11 garywhite I have an issue. Does this sound server or client-side: When I enter a 0.4.17 server on my 0.4.17 client, the server lags & crashes out, but when I was using 0.4.16 just a few hours ago, no issues. 22:26 longerstaff13 I'm having no issues and I have 0.4.17 on my laptop 22:29 rdococ longerstaff13: I think the problem is the 0.4.17 server 22:33 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/rubix_kernel 22:36 longerstaff13 rdococ: oh probably 22:37 longerstaff13 yeah cause the server keeps crashing when players other than garywhite join 22:37 longerstaff13 only some players though 22:37 longerstaff13 s/other than/aswell as/