Time Nick Message 00:53 Jordach https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/999787845127634944 00:58 paramat sofar VanessaE can anyone OP me in dev? someone needs kicking 00:58 paramat unfortunately looks like we can't OP anyone 00:59 Shara Why the hell don't all devs have op in -dev? 01:04 paramat yes we need some OPs there for when sfan isn't around 01:05 Shara ruben also isn't there 01:05 Shara I don't know if kicking them is the right approach either way, but it's good to have people available who can 03:50 VanessaE when did I get ops in #-dev anyway? I don't even remember :P 11:03 Krock hmm.. the entire computer sounds a little different now after an overall fan and PCB cleaning using compressed air 11:04 Krock probably the dust reduced the vibrations a bit :3 12:32 Fixer n o b o d y h e r e 12:39 Krock f i f t y s i x p e o p l e h e r e b u t o n l y t w o a c t i v e 12:44 * twoelk might be sleeping with eyes open 12:52 twoelk hm, wonder how much work it would be to rewrite this for minetest https://github.com/Shadows-of-Fire/Plants 13:03 IhrFussel latimes.com << try to click it as EU citizen 13:06 rubenwardy Lol 13:06 rubenwardy Probably shit anyway 13:19 Krock latimes? the site where you can rickroll people with appealing news titles? 13:20 Krock https://www.latlmes.com/tech/new-spectre-varian-discovered-how-to-secur-1 13:40 twoelk how do minecraft servers handle the GDPR issues? 13:45 rubenwardy just IP address doesn't count 13:45 rubenwardy only if you ask for age/realname/location/etc 13:50 IhrFussel https://eugdprcompliant.com/personal-data/ 13:50 IhrFussel "The conclusion is, all IP addresses should be treated as personal data, in order to be GDPR compliant." 13:51 IhrFussel So even simple logging of IPs is not allowed or is restricted (need to remove/anonymize after some time) 14:03 xerox123 done with exams this week, today was English Literature 14:03 ANAND congrats! :) 14:04 xerox123 but the other half of my exams are after a weeks break 14:04 xerox123 lol 14:04 ANAND XD 14:04 ANAND Mine haven't even started yet... 14:07 xerox123 how to make IRC services somewhat GPR compliant 14:07 xerox123 [25-May 15:01:33] -Notice- {from NickServ} address. Your email address will be stored on file so 14:07 xerox123 [25-May 15:01:33] -Notice- {from NickServ} you can IDENTIFY to your account. 14:08 xerox123 state the obvious so computer-illiterate people can understand the simplest of things 14:08 ANAND lol 14:16 IhrFussel On websites server owners can just use a privacy policy that states the logging of IP addresses and asks visitors for consent...but what about ingame? 14:16 tenplus1 hi folks 14:17 IhrFussel I'm pretty sure that ALL server owners will have to add some kind of data policy as formspec or something similar to be GDPR compliant 14:17 tenplus1 hi fussel 14:18 tenplus1 we dont really store any data that's personal to the player 14:18 IhrFussel Possibly the devs would have to add a new tab in Minetest as well 14:19 IhrFussel tenplus1, IP adresses are generally considered personal data and most lawyers agree that even web server logs fall under GDPR 14:19 tenplus1 hrmmm 14:20 IhrFussel https://eugdprcompliant.com/personal-data/ 14:20 IhrFussel I already posted this link earlier 14:20 tenplus1 is this only for servers based in EU > 14:21 IhrFussel Nope, it pretty much applies to anyone who manages EU citizen's data 14:21 IhrFussel processes* 14:21 tenplus1 https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/gdpr-and-minecraft-communities-thoughts-and-discussion.286526/ 14:22 nerzhul minetest doesn'th have anything to do with personal data 14:22 nerzhul we don't store anywhere personal data 14:23 tenplus1 that's what I was thinking... 14:23 tenplus1 we deal with usernames and passwords, what's said in the game isnt really personal information, just chatter 14:23 IhrFussel "mywarthog" this guy is also active on other sites and stated the same bullcrap 14:24 tenplus1 o/ Jordach 14:25 IhrFussel If US companies *would* think that the GDPR cannot be applied to US people then they wouldn't have gone through this long process to be compliant...they also wouldn't feel the need to block EU users/shutdown entirely 14:25 IhrFussel nerzhul, IP IS personal, whether you think it is or not 14:29 tenplus1 I dont agree with IP, that leads to a device and is not personal information 14:29 tenplus1 anyone could be using the machine it originates from, or could be dynamic ip's... 14:31 Jordach *whips up a server mod containing a short intro for GDPR compliance* 14:32 tenplus1 forget formspecs and the like, I'd basically print a message in the server greeting to keep it compliant 14:32 Jordach no 14:33 Jordach having it attached to a formspec with two buttons with accept and decline 14:33 tenplus1 "Welcome to Xanadu - In compliance with the EU's GDPR ruling on data protection we may store the players IP address, disconnect from server if you do not agree" 14:34 IhrFussel tenplus1, you should add the reason for the storing...generally "for security purposes" 14:35 IhrFussel Also that doesn't require consent...it just needs to be stated somewhere 14:35 IhrFussel On websites that would be the privacy policy...but in the game it would have to be some kind of formspec probably 14:37 IhrFussel But not sure how to implement that...maybe anew button in the inventory...but then again how to tell players that the button leads to the privacy policy ... or via a command? Probably too hidden 14:38 tenplus1 it's oh so annoying 14:38 Krock tenplus1, but then you may not log any IP address until they were able to read and quit 14:38 Krock if you claim this, then on_joinplayer and on_leaveplayer may not always log the IP 14:38 tenplus1 o/ krock 14:38 Krock o/ tenplus1 14:39 tenplus1 true, nothing is being saved... I could VIEW a players ip address if they are doing something untoward on server and I need to check where they are from, but in that case it's security 14:39 IhrFussel AFAIK the consent stuff only applies to things that are not *necessary* to run the service and must be optional...so IP addresses and session cookies for example fall under the exception and only need to be stated in the policy 14:46 tenplus1 will think of an motd greeting that covers what it needs to... but am not adding a formspec for this annoyance 14:53 Jordach Calinou: it's cisouns birthday today 14:53 Jordach tenplus1: ^ 14:56 tenplus1 thx jordach, will shrink it down a tad and display as message of the day :D 14:56 Jordach tenplus1: formspec it 14:57 tenplus1 nope 14:57 tenplus1 I dont wanna annoy players with a formspec each time they join 14:57 Jordach tenplus1: use on_join_newplayer 14:57 tenplus1 even though current players have never agreed to the formspec 14:58 Jordach players who exit the formspec are considered as agreeing users 14:59 Jordach though i'm tempted to reshow it 14:59 Jordach on any escape or double clicking outside of it 15:02 tenplus1 on_join if player attribute "privacy" not true then show formspec, if agree then set to true blah blah, works for all 15:04 Jordach thats what i was planning 15:04 tenplus1 :PP 15:04 Jordach along with a copy of the original email salt 15:04 Jordach IhrFussel: i have debug.txt explicitly set to crashes only 15:04 * tenplus1 disables logging andhas live terminal 15:05 Jordach my auto-reload script even contains a handy dandy debug.txt renamer containing the time of the crash 15:06 IhrFussel Also that will barely fit into a mobile screen without lots of scrolling 15:06 tenplus1 lol 15:06 Jordach i'll probably aim for something like 720p size 15:06 Jordach i use low resolutions for testing formspecs over HiDPI 15:07 nerzhul i don't remember what GPDR said about the IP 15:07 * tenplus1 sells all his player id's to the germans 15:07 Jordach kek 15:07 IhrFussel I'm pretty sure that a "corrupted" policy is against GDPR too so if EU users with a tiny screen connect and can't see everything it counts as non-existent 15:08 Jordach IhrFussel: raison d'être to test this on phone displays 15:09 Jordach luckily i can enforce 16:9 mode on my Galaxy Note 8 15:09 Jordach nerzhul: feeling like making an apk for 0.5-dev 15:09 IhrFussel Some MT clients have a huge font and can only see 20-30 chars per formspec line ... MT couldn't possibly comply with the requirements in 100% of cases 15:09 Fixer throw rocks at me but stuff like GDPR is needed, time of Wild West selling off my privacy should be stopped 15:10 Fixer i did not gave permission to anyone to track me 15:10 IhrFussel Unless line-wrapping exists but I didn't find such a flag in formspecs yet 15:11 Jordach IhrFussel: editable text fields do so 15:11 tenplus1 that's exactly it Fixer, unless you opt-in to them selling your data, the default is DONT do anything with it... 15:11 IhrFussel That would look extremely ugly 15:12 Fixer some street hooker knows more about me, my political views, friends, what I do and when is no go 15:12 tenplus1 saves a shit ton of formspecs and messages and text informing players that will jsut be ignored 15:12 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2253 15:12 Fixer i'm not on social media, so don't start trolling, wasting your time :} 15:13 IhrFussel I just hope server owners cannot possibly be made responsible for the ads certain clients display when playing on a server 15:13 Fixer google/facebook/whatever should be accountable 15:13 Jordach tbh i use youtube for watching techmoan and kitten livesteams at this point 15:14 Krock IhrFussel, scrollable and read-only linewrapping textareas exist in 0.5.0-dev :P 15:14 Jordach skip releasing 0.4.17 15:15 Jordach enforce 0.5 now 15:15 Krock Jordach, you'd suffer from crashes 15:15 Jordach kek 15:16 Jordach apple are doing something right, my zipped data archive from them is less than 2mb 15:16 Fixer 0.5.0 is unstable right now 15:17 Fixer for real 15:17 tenplus1 what made it unstable ? 15:17 Fixer bugs leading to crashes 15:17 Fixer there is big page of recent backtraces 15:17 Fixer from Krock, paramat, me 15:19 Fixer i'm not doing my part well enough honestly 15:19 tenplus1 what does Enable CBO do in gfx ? 15:20 tenplus1 *VBO 15:20 nerzhul Fixer why ? 15:20 Fixer uses VBO techology that can speed up rendering a bit 15:20 nerzhul where it's unstable ? is the binary crashing 15:20 Fixer nerzhul: crashing 15:20 nerzhul issue has been reported ? 15:20 Fixer yes, one moment 15:21 Fixer nerzhul: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7272 15:23 Calinou hi :) 15:23 tenplus1 hi Cal 15:25 Krock hi Calinou 15:31 Fixer hi Calinou 15:57 Fixer https://twitter.com/roozbeh52/status/999295206842421248 16:01 tenplus1 hi mister 16:02 Mr_Pardison Ahoy 10+1 16:03 tenplus1 nice :PP 16:04 Mr_Pardison Will b installing MT shortly. 16:04 tenplus1 1+'s are quite good 16:05 xerox123 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QP6pm1DM1Q 16:05 Mr_Pardison Unlimited data so I can host a wifi hotspot and use my laptop :D 16:06 Mr_Pardison Speaking of which... 16:06 tenplus1 ooh 16:19 lisac hmm is there a way to copy text from the ingame chat? 16:22 tenplus1 hi lisac, I dont think so, at least not in linux version 16:22 lisac hey tenplus1 16:22 lisac yeah, would be great if we could copy and paste text into it 16:22 lisac mouse is already un-trapped when you open chat 16:35 tenplus1 o/ 16:44 Krock lisac, pasting into the chat prompt is already possible but copying is really missing :/ 17:37 Shara Full day dealing with GDPR... come home thinking "MT will be a great break from this madness"... 17:37 * Shara sighs 17:37 twoelk indeed taking a screenshot is the only way to >copy< a complicated url given in chat - not sure how mobil phone users should use that 17:51 IhrFussel Shara, MT server owners have it relatively easy to comply (unless they implement ads/other services into the game) 17:51 Shara Fussel, I'm very aware. 17:51 IhrFussel I still want to be on the safe side and not risk any trouble 17:51 Shara Just see so much nonsense everywhere with people misinterpreting it or overcomplicating it. 17:53 Shara People make some quite ridiculous claims (not specifically about this channel, but that I've read elsewhere) 18:01 IhrFussel I'm talking to someone at #gdpr right now ... they say "But if you're using the ip address just for looking up the user, then I guess you need their consent." 18:07 Shara That seems really weird to me. Consent is only one mechanism for collecting information, and it's impossible to get before they join (thus meaning you already have the IP address) 18:09 Shara I'd factor in collection of IP addresses under legitimate interests instead (which will allow use of it for security purposes - rely on consent and an attacker can tell you they don't give consent and you can't protect against them) 18:09 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/n9bRK.png 18:10 IhrFussel Shara, I asked them if they think it would be enough to display a formspec on join and basically telling them what the IP + username are used for and offer 2 buttons "Yes" and "No" where "No" disconnects them 18:10 Shara rubenwardy: :D 18:10 Krock rubenwardy, no way backwards. the only option is to press Delete 18:10 rubenwardy lol 18:10 rubenwardy good point 18:12 rubenwardy also, https://github.com/minetest/contentdb 18:14 Shara :) 18:15 Calinou https://codepen.io/zoka123/full/erwKdm/ 18:15 Calinou try not to accept it! 18:17 Krock Calinou, nothing happens when pressing it. FAKE 18:42 Krock feels bad man. Swapped at least 1.8 GiB of RAM to HDD :3 19:04 longerstaff13 Does any other British lose their power for a few seconds everytime it rains? 19:04 rubenwardy no, lol? 19:04 rubenwardy the internet tends to be slower 19:04 rubenwardy but power is fine 19:04 longerstaff13 My house does, it's annoying 19:04 Shara haven't noticed either happen here 19:14 tenplus1 back 19:14 xerox123 welcome back 19:15 tenplus1 hi xerox 19:15 xerox123 hello 19:15 tenplus1 was working on a wee surprise for Xanadu :PPPP 19:16 xerox123 nice 19:16 Shara ohh? 19:16 xerox123 not entirely sure what I've been doing for the last few hours 19:17 xerox123 :P 19:17 tenplus1 ehehe, working on schematics here for arena's 19:21 rubenwardy only 1 package away from 100 :) https://content.minetest.net/ 19:21 rubenwardy who'd like to have package id=100? 19:23 tenplus1 did you add mobs_monsters ??? 19:23 Shara It's there 19:23 tenplus1 yay 19:23 rubenwardy https://content.minetest.net/users/TenPlus1/ 19:24 rubenwardy GreenDimond has been adding loads 19:24 tenplus1 lucky block mod plz 19:24 Shara tenplus1: you can add them 19:24 rubenwardy yeah, that ^ 19:24 tenplus1 I can ? 19:24 Shara Yup 19:25 tenplus1 wont let me sign in using git logon 19:26 rubenwardy try this: https://content.minetest.net/user/github/start/ 19:27 rubenwardy oh yay :D 19:30 rubenwardy is it worth working on sign-ins without Github before making an announcement on the forums? 19:35 Shara Just maybe add a help file explaining how to join so it's easier for people to understand? 19:39 tenplus1 wants me to create release for lucky blocks ?!?!?! 19:41 Shara yes 19:41 Shara make package, then make release for package 19:41 rubenwardy the release can be a date 19:42 rubenwardy eg: 2018-05-25 19:42 rubenwardy it's so that Minetest can see that there's an update 19:44 tenplus1 ? how'd the others get included without me doing so 19:44 rubenwardy GreenDimond and I made them 19:44 rubenwardy mostly GD 19:45 rubenwardy people of the Editor rank can create and edit packages on behalf of other people 19:49 tenplus1 how'd I add a release thing ? 19:50 rubenwardy click create release 19:50 Shara CReate Release button in package 19:50 rubenwardy give it a name - for example the date the last commit was 19:50 rubenwardy and click create 19:50 * Shara pokes ruben for being quicker :P 19:50 rubenwardy it'll automatically import from github 19:51 tenplus1 waiting to be apprioved 19:51 rubenwardy done 19:51 rubenwardy should add a screenshot :) 19:51 rubenwardy it automagically gets them from screenshot.png in the repo 19:51 tenplus1 I did 19:51 tenplus1 screenshot.jpg 19:52 rubenwardy oh, it needs to be png 19:52 tenplus1 damn 19:52 rubenwardy I'll add support for jpg at some point 19:52 Sokomine rubenwardy: what does it take to add a mod to your packages? the page as such looks nice. my mods seem to be missing? 19:52 rubenwardy Sokomine: it's done manually 19:52 rubenwardy well 19:52 Sokomine didn't have much time recently to catch up reading forum and chat here 19:52 rubenwardy lots of the stuff is automatic 19:52 rubenwardy but you need to look over the stuff it detects, to much sure it's correct 19:53 Sokomine rubenwardy: manually? with all those thousands of mods out there? i gave up creating tags/categories years ago while there where still hundereds/thousands less... 19:53 Sokomine ah 19:53 rubenwardy there will be a to-add list soon 19:53 rubenwardy which has all the mods on the forum which don't have a listing 19:53 rubenwardy you'll then be able to click a button, and it'll try and find meta 19:54 rubenwardy powered by Krock's mod list[tm] 19:54 Shara This system is good, since it at least means there is some level of reviewing. Much more difficult for completely broken mods to show up in the in-client list 19:55 rubenwardy Krock's mod list is used in two places there already, it's pretty handy 19:55 tenplus1 Xanadu updated with new surprise for anyone wanting to play lucky blocks :D 19:56 Sokomine ah. i love krocks mod search 19:56 rubenwardy I use it to automagically find the forum topic ID 19:57 rubenwardy and also get a list of all authors so I can pre-make them 19:57 rubenwardy does MT even support screenshot.jpg? 19:57 rubenwardy what other formats? 19:58 tenplus1 added ./png screeny 19:58 tenplus1 hi misster 19:58 Mr_Pardison ahoy 19:58 rubenwardy imported 19:58 rubenwardy one of the admin features is to re-check the github repo for screenshot.png :) 19:59 rubenwardy promoted you to Editor, tenplus1 19:59 tenplus1 :PPP 20:00 tenplus1 am just happy to add lucky blocks 20:00 * Mr_Pardison hands tenplus1 the stereotypical desk lamp with a green glass shade 20:00 Sokomine hmpf. those screenshots are annoying work 20:01 Sokomine the ones in the forum threads tend to disappear over the years :-( it sometimes feels as if image hosters deliberately go down after i made all the work of switching the images over to them :-( it's a conspirarcy! :/ 20:02 tenplus1 lol 20:02 tenplus1 I used tinyurl for most of mine, gotta re-add them suppose 20:03 Sokomine the ones hostet on the forum work fine. but that wasn't available from the beginning. and requires dummy postings for adding more than three of them 20:03 Shara Doesn't contentdb take the screenshot from the github repo, if it's there? 20:03 rubenwardy yes 20:03 Shara good, thought I was going mad for a moment 20:03 Sokomine if it's there...that...er..is the problem with my mods i'm afraid. screenshots are so big...i never truely felt like including them in the repro 20:04 Shara Sokomine: they are as big as you make them 20:04 tenplus1 400px wide with 32 colours png format... 10kb or so 20:04 Shara ^ 20:04 rubenwardy the website still doesn't have thumbnail generation 20:04 rubenwardy should probably do that at some point 20:05 rubenwardy I'm dreading that almost as much as adding proper log ins 20:07 tenplus1 :P 20:07 tenplus1 nite folks o/ 20:48 Sokomine hmm...i try to do screenshots in a smaller window and use .jpg for smaller size. that helps a bit...but it's still quite some file size 20:49 Sokomine mt itself ought to take screenshots whenever leaving a server or world so that players can identify servers and worlds more easily 20:49 Shara That would create crazy amounts of screenshot clutter 20:50 Sokomine small ones :-) 20:50 Sokomine and just one per server/world 21:03 rubenwardy this is gonna be a fun package for the "Required by" bit: https://content.minetest.net/packages/Minetest/minetest_game/ 21:07 Shara I'm not adding it to mine even when it might be required... because it's generally default which is required, which is in many other games as well 21:07 Shara I don't want to make things more MTG focused than they actually are 21:12 rubenwardy not sure on what the approach should be tb 21:13 Shara It's weird to say somethign depends on a game 21:13 rubenwardy yeah 21:13 rubenwardy technically it does, still a bit weird 21:13 Shara I'd like to see a way to add dependencies that are not also packages 21:14 rubenwardy that won't be needed eventually :) 21:14 rubenwardy it's also pointless for the purposes of the db 21:14 Shara You plan to include default as a separate package? 21:14 rubenwardy as the only need for them is so the installer can grab any dependencies 21:14 rubenwardy no 21:15 rubenwardy package dependencies doesn't necessarily equal depends.txt. The point is that it's so the in-menu installer knows what else it needs to grab 21:15 rubenwardy *don't 21:15 rubenwardy maybe it should have meta-packages though 21:15 Shara hmm 21:15 rubenwardy so you could depend on "mobs" 21:16 Shara It grabbing a whole game would be weird though 21:16 rubenwardy and it'd allow you to install any of simple mobs, mobs redo, or another fork 21:16 rubenwardy same for farming 21:16 rubenwardy either MTG or farming redo 21:16 rubenwardy not entirely sure how to implement that though 21:17 rubenwardy new type I guess 21:17 Shara If I select a mod I want, maybe I'm using my own custom game that happens to include default but nothing else from MTG. But then the db might only know MTG as a source for default, so I get a whole game when I wanted one mod? 21:18 rubenwardy with meta-packages it'd know that your game supplies a default 21:19 rubenwardy argh, this sucks 21:19 rubenwardy might have to implement my own change password form 21:19 rubenwardy ewww 21:21 * rubenwardy sighs 21:21 rubenwardy Amaz: you didn't make LOTT!! :O 21:22 Amaz I'm mainly in charge of it now :P 21:22 Amaz fishyWET/neinwhal has handed it over to me mostly :) 21:22 rubenwardy hmm 21:23 Amaz Is there a way to put it in the name of multiple people, or a github organisation? 21:23 Sokomine Shara: perhaps that new mod database/installer is not aimed at people that know what they do? 21:23 rubenwardy I'll leave it for now 21:23 Amaz That would be ideal 21:25 rubenwardy good to see another game anyhow 21:25 rubenwardy I like how the games increase in brightness here: https://content.minetest.net/packages/?type=game 21:25 rubenwardy surely LOTT should be darker than MTG though? \o/ 21:26 Shara :D 21:26 Amaz Yeah, I wanted to add it to populate the games section :) 21:26 Amaz *to help populate 21:26 Amaz fishyWET said it was okay :P 21:27 rubenwardy fine by me then 21:27 rubenwardy I do need to make it so that the in-menu installer works independently of author name 21:27 rubenwardy maybe replace it with a package id 21:35 Amaz rubenwardy: If a mod soft-depends on mods not on the content db, should they be listed in the soft-depends field or not? 21:35 rubenwardy the mods will have to be added 21:36 rubenwardy if you make the mod 21:36 rubenwardy I'll then go through and add the ones it soft depends on before approving 21:36 Amaz Okay :) 21:37 Sokomine lott is quite a nice game, yes 21:38 Shara I've only poked it a little, but it does seem very well done 21:42 Amaz That's good, if you poked it too much, it would probably begin falling apart :P Its code and structure are a mess... 21:42 Mr_Pardison So, it's kind of like swiss chesse. 21:43 BillyS swiss chess? :P 21:43 Shara Amaz: one day I'll make the game I am working on public, then you will meet mess :D 21:43 Mr_Pardison Spell check on FF doesn't seem to work. 21:44 BillyS Hehe, none of you have seen "mess" yet, I'll bet. 21:45 Shara Is your mess public? 21:45 BillyS My code looks like it was run through an obfusticator, code-golfed, and then zipped. 21:45 Mr_Pardison in the dictionary, if you look up mess, you will see a picture of my room. synonyms also include disaster zone and fire hazard 21:45 BillyS No, I'm too embarrased. :P 21:45 Shara Hmm 21:45 BillyS Mr_Pardison: LOL 21:45 Shara But BillyS, now you just make me want to see it :D 21:45 BillyS xD 21:47 Shara There are so many things I want to add to the game that it's just silly really 21:47 rubenwardy Amaz: done 21:47 rubenwardy oops 21:47 rubenwardy now done 21:48 Amaz rubenwardy: Thanks! 21:48 BillyS Shara: Here is one of the not-so-great but still readable pieces: https://github.com/Billy-S/IBot 21:48 Amaz Shara: I know that feeling... 21:49 Sokomine Shara: yes, it's sometimes tricky to find out where to end and declare it finished (for now). you'll eventually have to. else nobody can play it... 21:49 Shara Sokomine: of course, but at the moment it's mostly environment without much gameplay in place 21:49 Sokomine doesn't have to be perfect :-) 21:49 BillyS Damnit, I just made my passwords public #epicfail 21:49 Amaz And the problem is finding time to add it, and then finding the ability to not get sidetracked and go down a hundred different side projects each tangentially related to the original point. 21:50 Shara And also figuring out how to do it 21:50 Sokomine gameplay costs a lot of time to implement. and one of the great parts about such a sandbox game is that you can build your own castle :-) 21:50 Sokomine oh yes... 21:50 * Sokomine moans about some of her projects and nods to amaz 21:50 BillyS Fixed that 21:51 Shara HW is very much from scratch. Not reusing much from MTG or other games at all. 21:51 Shara BillyS: you do realise people can view previous commits? 21:51 Amaz Yep, I've gone down that route with my (very much wip) rewrite of LOTT... 21:52 Amaz (Not taking many things from anywhere else) 21:52 BillyS Shara: Well . . 21:52 rubenwardy hope you don't use that elsewhere 21:52 BillyS I didn't 21:53 rubenwardy and you better change it now 21:53 Mr_Pardison BillyS: take down the repo and re-upload it. 21:53 BillyS It's only for a private ZNC, so not such a big deal 21:54 * BillyS preses the "Burn" button 22:23 Mr_Pardison 'ello tumeninodes 22:23 tumeninodes howdy Mr_Pardnerson (see what I did there?) 22:24 Shara I'd groan but... that one's actually not bad 22:24 tumeninodes rubenwardy: CDB does not take "default" as a a dep? 22:24 Shara Hi tumeninodes :) 22:24 tumeninodes :D 22:24 tumeninodes Hi Shara 22:25 rubenwardy tumeninodes: undecided on what to do with that 22:25 rubenwardy just use Minetest Game for now 22:25 rubenwardy will probably change in future 22:25 tumeninodes nothing I do is "bad"..., just maximumly annoying 22:25 rubenwardy at least using Minetest Game will allow a list of mods which would be replaced with more refined deps 22:25 tumeninodes ah, ok. nice work btw 22:27 A-Hamilton tumeninodes: that wasn't half bad. delivery needs a bit of work tho. 22:29 tumeninodes I used a drawl n everything though 22:29 tumeninodes I challenge you to a duel sir... 22:30 A-Hamilton Pardison any spelling errors as FF does not want to use spellcheck. 22:31 tumeninodes so, you won't duel then? :P 22:31 A-Hamilton I apologize if I offended you in any way. 22:32 tumeninodes I am virtually, unoffendable ; ) 22:33 rubenwardy approved, tumi 22:33 tumeninodes cool. of course I started with my worst haha 22:34 tumeninodes no, I just challenged you to a duel because I know how it will end 22:34 A-Hamilton ..... 22:34 tumeninodes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr%E2%80%93Hamilton_duel 22:34 A-Hamilton guh.... 22:35 tumeninodes heh heh 22:36 A-Hamilton that's covered in the song "The World Was Wide Enough" 22:36 tumeninodes so was his shot :P 22:37 tumeninodes Calling NathanS21, calling NathanS21 22:38 paramat "The MT World Was Not Wide Enough" 22:39 tumeninodes I sense a "stop off topic" signal in there somewhere... 22:41 Fixer "640x640 is enough for everybody" 22:41 tumeninodes never enough. more is always desired 22:43 * Sokomine secretly nods to fixer and enjoys a much smaller resolution :) 22:44 tumeninodes I could never do that with my eyes 22:48 Fixer i watched ---- in 320x240 22:52 rubenwardy looooool 22:52 rubenwardy tumeninodes: name is for the mod name, not for your name! 22:52 rubenwardy fixed 22:52 rubenwardy XD 22:53 tumeninodes hahaha 22:53 tumeninodes I was like 0_o 22:54 tumeninodes it said Name, and title. threw me a curve 22:54 rubenwardy name = foldername 22:54 rubenwardy title = human readable name, can include spaces and capital letters 22:54 rubenwardy so name should be artdeco, and title should be ArtDeco 22:55 tumeninodes ok, now I get it 23:02 Fixer name = Pickle 23:02 Fixer title = Rick 23:03 tumeninodes OMG, know what is really funny and odd about that? I know a Rick Pickler 23:04 Fixer haha 23:04 tumeninodes I am laughing so hard 23:04 Fixer he needs to remove that last r... 23:04 tumeninodes oh, we had a plethora of alternate names for him as kids 23:05 tumeninodes 8-12 are the ages of creativity 23:06 tumeninodes afk 23:39 rubenwardy tumeninodes: your screenshots are much better than mine 23:39 rubenwardy (most of mine don't have any because they're nonvisual :( ) 23:40 tumeninodes the visuals do not show in menu though (although it might be because I have that portable build) is there a way to update the portable? 23:41 rubenwardy in the installer? 23:41 rubenwardy you need a newer version of 0.5.0-dev for that 23:41 tumeninodes I keep forgetting to add things into fields though like the building tag (sorry) 23:41 rubenwardy XD 23:41 rubenwardy Shara's on it 23:42 tumeninodes how easily can I update the portable of 0.5.0-dev? 23:42 Shara I have become the tyrant of tags. 23:42 rubenwardy git pull 23:42 rubenwardy then make -j3 23:42 tumeninodes I'm sure she's thrilled I am packing more ontop her todo lists 23:43 Shara I am even editing rubenwardy's ones >.> 23:43 rubenwardy if by portable you mean using calinou's script 23:43 tumeninodes ^ yes 23:43 rubenwardy then yeah, those two commands in that order 23:43 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/P0yhO.png 23:43 rubenwardy (notifications) 23:43 rubenwardy (should probably add a title to most pages) 23:43 tumeninodes oh excellent t/y 23:48 tumeninodes updating... updating... updating... upda 23:51 tumeninodes better. Yeh, I feel screenshots should be added to the "must have" list for release 23:52 rubenwardy not all packages can have screenshots though 23:52 rubenwardy like, they could always be made up 23:52 rubenwardy just be text or smth 23:52 rubenwardy but still 23:53 tumeninodes well, even a chat mod could use a screen of the chat in use 23:53 tumeninodes there are some where a visual effect does not exist but that should be the only exception 23:57 Shara I even added a more or less black cave picture for under sky in the end... so images for most things should be possible 23:58 tumeninodes :) 23:59 zorman2000 Hi all, new bug report for 0.5.0: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7374