Time Nick Message 00:16 Megaf https://i.imgur.com/lwoZoLw.jpg 05:29 ANAND Finally auto-voiced! :D 05:30 ANAND afk 09:39 tenplus1 hi folks 09:55 xerox123_ Hello 09:56 tenplus1 hi xerox 09:57 tenplus1 Bonemeal, Ethereal NG and Wine mods updated :D 10:01 xerox123_ http://i.imgur.com/IDwJ4F7.gifv 10:02 tenplus1 soooo much tape 10:14 Fixer wasted 10:15 tenplus1 o/ fixer 10:15 Fixer \\\o 10:21 tenplus1 Wine mod adds blue agave to the desert areas in mapgen, collect to ferment into tequila :D 10:26 * rdococ collects all the blue agave 10:26 tenplus1 hey rdococ :P 10:26 tenplus1 it's nice n rare so it doesnt cover the desert floor 10:34 tenplus1 also, anyone using Ethereal NG mod, I've removed bonemeal so please use the actual Bonemeal mod isntead 10:38 Shara tenplus1: complicating things again :P 10:38 tenplus1 hi Shara :) 10:38 tenplus1 more simplifying things :) 10:38 Shara How's it going? :) 10:38 tenplus1 good ta, updating with features... ehe... how's you ? 10:40 Shara Not bad, just struggling to find the time I want to have for working on mods :P 10:41 * tenplus1 hires mod elves 10:41 Shara :D 10:43 tenplus1 stu si gonna add pova supoprt to 3d_armor :P w00t 10:43 * rdococ spreads the blue agave so it covers the desert floor 10:44 tenplus1 good try :P it has checks so they dont spread too mucch :P ehe 10:51 * rdococ goes into creative mode and places them 10:51 tenplus1 ehehe 11:11 * xerox123_ has more work to go in the garden :/ 11:11 tenplus1 enjoy sun 11:12 xerox123_ And it's 26°C >=< 12:01 tenplus1 hi bnathan 12:01 tenplus1 er... hi Nathan L:D 12:01 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 12:01 tenplus1 how's things ? 12:01 tenplus1 wb fixer 12:02 NathanS21 Pretty good, enjoying the weather now that it finally warmed up. 12:02 tenplus1 heh same :D 12:02 tenplus1 21c and very bright out :D 12:03 Fixer ty 12:09 rdococ Yay. 12:10 * rdococ uses creative mode to grab potatoes from the creative inventory and create vodka 12:10 tenplus1 wb rdococ 12:15 * rdococ unicornizes 12:19 rdococ pwa esyay 12:20 rdococ pwacla* esyay 12:27 xerox123 we need a minigames server :P 12:27 tenplus1 xanadu has lucky block, spleef!, build battle 12:27 tenplus1 :P 12:28 xerox123 <@IdleRPG> luk3yx burned a hole through his leggings while ironing them! luk3yx's set of leggings loses 10% of its effectiveness. 12:28 xerox123 oh.dear 12:32 Mr_Pardison \o tenplus1 12:32 tenplus1 hi mister :) how's tricks ? 12:32 Mr_Pardison the cereal is pretty good, could use something else to it. 12:33 tenplus1 banana 12:34 rdococ I'm working on a constructed language (the kind that you speak) 12:34 Mr_Pardison If I have bananas at home, I'll let them go a bit brown, freeze them and then put them in a smoothie. 12:34 rdococ It's a weird one because it only has present and non-present tense, not distinguishing between past and future except by context 12:34 tenplus1 mmm smoothie 12:34 Mr_Pardison ah, making up your own alphabet. 12:34 Mr_Pardison great way to kill time at the end of the school year. 12:36 Mr_Pardison I neglected to finish up the home page of the website. 12:36 xerox123 having a barbeque tonight \o/ 12:36 rdococ Mr_Pardison: For the moment it's using the Latin alphabet (the alphabet that languages like English, Spanish, French and German use) 12:36 Mr_Pardison The other pages I've done but I somehow neglected the home. 12:36 Mr_Pardison xerox123: any brisket or ribs? 12:37 xerox123 maybe not brisket, but ribs yes 12:37 rdococ Mr_Pardison: It has its own grammar and everything 12:37 Mr_Pardison rdococ: how fancy. 12:38 xerox123 I finish school on the 21st of June this year :D 12:38 Mr_Pardison and ribs sound sooo good right now, esp. for breakfast (tbh, well-made BBQ is good pretty much any time) 12:38 xerox123 as opposed to late/mid July 12:38 Mr_Pardison nice. 12:38 xerox123 then I'm on an 18 day summer activity programme 12:38 xerox123 :D 12:39 Mr_Pardison I've got a few more weeks left and I still have some things I need to do... and some exams (one in my english class over Macbeth, RIP me) 12:41 * rdococ gives Mr_Pardison some Minetestian ribs 12:42 Mr_Pardison St. Louis style dry rub with a mop sauce? 12:42 rdococ if you code it, sure 12:43 * Mr_Pardison sighs 12:43 Mr_Pardison I've got a lot of things swirling around me right now and coding something like that is low on my priority list. 12:44 rdococ then go hungry 12:44 Mr_Pardison meh. 12:45 rdococ pwa dyo [joke] 12:45 rdococ s/pwa/pwacla/ 12:45 rdococ Forgot the ergative singular suffix "-cla" on "pwa" 12:46 rdococ although to be fair it isn't really necessary if you have word order 12:59 xerox123 working on shrnking my fractal map 12:59 xerox123 having a look at all the fractal types first though :D 13:00 rdococ Did you know that fractals can technically be considered to have a fractional dimension? 13:00 ANAND xerox123, are you referring to your CTF map submission? 13:00 xerox123 ANAND: yup 13:00 rdococ There's that space map I was working on 13:01 ANAND xerox123, that map has already been semi-approved... are you going to make major changes? 13:01 xerox123 omg, the christmas tree fractal is crazy 13:01 xerox123 ANAND: ruben said it was too big 13:02 ANAND is it? 13:02 xerox123 and laggy (more importantly) 13:02 ANAND r=140 & h=115 right? 13:03 xerox123 yeah, the lags were 320 nodes apart 13:03 Mr_Pardison ping timeout suks. 13:03 xerox123 flags* 13:03 rdococ 320 nodes apart? O_o 13:03 rdococ That's pretty wide 13:04 Fixer 18 day simmer activity gulag 13:06 ANAND xerox123, you might want to update your copy of ctf_map mod before proceeding any further, since the mod now automatically handles the map radius and height before exporting to .schem 13:06 tenplus1 hi Megaf 13:07 xerox123 oh, ok 13:07 Mr_Pardison tenplus1: mind kicking Mr-Pardison? 13:08 Mr_Pardison thx. 13:08 Fixer imagine what can be done if our shitposting gets streamed into actual minetest development 13:08 ANAND xerox123, schematics are expected to have a radius of 115 nodes and a height of 140 nodes respectively 13:08 ANAND there can be exceptions though 13:09 xerox123 would'nt that make the flags super far apart? 13:09 xerox123 if you place them at the edges, for example 13:10 ANAND That's the exact r and h of existing maps too 13:11 ANAND The height of HnL was reduced to 140 since it was almost twice of that before multiple maps came into existence 13:15 xerox123 wait, I don't need the whole CTF modpack, right? just ctf_map 13:17 tenplus1 wb tommy 13:18 ANAND xerox123, yes only ctf_map 13:19 xerox123 I also made a supermarket map, not sure what happened to it though :P 13:20 ANAND oh that's about to be reviewed in a couple of hours :) 13:20 rdococ The conlang is called Pwacladyocmoysh, which is a condensed form of the sentence "Pwacla dyo cmoysh" = "I am speaking to you" 13:20 xerox123 :DDDD 13:20 xerox123 rdococ: can't go around copying names from Welsh like that 13:20 xerox123 :PPP 13:21 xerox123 Pwacladyocmoysh 13:21 rdococ xerox123: Lol, it does sound like welsh :P 13:21 rdococ Well, look like welsh 13:21 ANAND These reviews were long overdue, but I was way too occupied with my studies and a few personal commitments 13:21 ANAND But better late than never I guess... :) 13:21 xerox123 Welsh is a very literal language, for example, the word for microwave oven is "pop-ti-ping" 13:22 ANAND haha 13:22 xerox123 and jellyfish is "wibblywobbly" 13:22 rdococ xerox123: I just use a random word generator 13:22 rdococ "Pwacla dyo cmoysh" is pronounced "pwa-kyla jo kymoysh" 13:22 xerox123 I was joing about those two examples, they're jokes about Welsj 13:22 rdococ The "ky" in the pronunciation being the lighter "k" in "key" 13:23 xerox123 ANAND: mind if I make some quick tweaks to it before you review it? 13:23 xerox123 Ill message you the new link to the download on the forum 13:23 Mr-Pardison XD 13:23 ANAND no probs, just don't forget to re-upload it :P 13:23 ANAND ah ok 13:26 IhrFussel "if not cp.moderator or (cp.kmtp and not cp.limited_creative) then" << doesn't this line mean "if the player has NOT the moderator priv OR has the kmtp priv BUT NOT the limited_creative priv" ?? 13:26 rdococ xerox123: In my language, the "r" is pronounced like the "ch" from "loch" in certain dialects (imagine a "s" but with your tongue in the position where you make a "k"), but further back (so it's also like the "c" in "cat") 13:27 rdococ is pronounced *exactly* like the "ch" from "loch" in certain dialects (imagine trying to make a "h" with your tongue moved upwards) 13:28 IhrFussel Ohh wait I see my issue 13:28 IhrFussel I think now it#s correct "if not cp.moderator or (not cp.moderator and cp.kmtp and not cp.limited_creative) then" 13:36 tenplus1 Stairs Redo updated to use 0.4.16 functions and optimized code 13:37 sfan5 IhrFussel: that's redundant, it translates to "if not cp.moderator then" 13:38 tenplus1 o/ sfan 13:39 IhrFussel sfan5, huh? It should mean "if player is not moderator or player is not moderator but has mtp priv and has not limited_creative priv then execute this" 13:39 IhrFussel kmtp* 13:39 sfan5 it means exactly that 13:39 sfan5 but the rest is redundant 13:41 IhrFussel The thing is my moderators have moderator and kmtp priv and my helpers have kmtp and limited_creative priv ... now I wanted to add "if helper doesn't want limited_creative" case 13:42 IhrFussel This was wrong before because moderators with kmtp priv were still counted >> if not cp.moderator or (cp.kmtp and not cp.limited_creative) then 13:44 Shara Fussel, mostly it seems like you made a weirdly unnecessarily complicated system :D 13:46 IhrFussel Only in this case... my system is pretty simple because helpers and moderators share most functions (kmtp priv) ... I just didn't want helpers to have unlimited creative so I added limited_creative for them 13:47 Shara I guess another reason for me not to come back there then 13:48 IhrFussel Helpers are not fully trusted yet on my server...they are MODs in trial 13:48 IhrFussel You were a special case, I'm talking about players I don't know that well yet 13:49 Shara Just always found it so much easier to grant privs seperately, tailored to the person. 13:49 Shara Then you can slowly build up as they prove they used their current ones well. 13:50 IhrFussel I do that too but the basic staff privs are given to all of them, so that I don't need to type those one by one 13:50 Shara Well, I also tend to give certain privs to non-moderators I know I can trust as well 13:51 Shara Lots of trusted people with kick/ban, regardless of whether they are obligated to moderated, deals with most issues quickly. 13:53 IhrFussel Well I give all helpers for example the ability to mute others...muting cannot harm the server on a major basis so if they decide to abuse it the damage done is relatively small...that's how I think 13:53 * tenplus1 only gives out: limit, kick, settime, teleport, fly, creative (sometiems) 13:56 Shara On RC even regular players can work up to getting noclip, teleport and so on. But it's creative, so they can't be abused in the same ways they might be on survival. 13:57 Shara Most moderators end up getting basic_privs eventually (which allows a lot more than the basics) 13:57 Shara But server and privs are completely off limits to anyone, with one exeption. 13:58 tenplus1 Jesus ? 13:58 Shara DL is much much stricter in general. 13:58 Shara Heh 13:58 Shara whoareyou gets full privs. He's the only one. 13:58 xerox123 hehe, Jesus 13:59 Shara He was with the server since... I think the first week it opened, and handled most of the ingame stuff. 13:59 Shara Didn't think I'd ever pass anyone full privs, but he earned it. 14:00 Shara As for "Jesus" on RC... I seem to recall banning him at some point, so he's out :P 14:01 Mr-Pardison good lord.... 14:01 xerox123 or not so good lord in this case 14:01 Shara I mean, technically I've banned a whole bunch of devs as well. 14:01 Shara (or at least their names) 14:02 Shara So disappointing when a dev signs in and then spams :P 14:03 tenplus1 ouch, that aint good 14:04 Shara RC has been through a few impersonation plagues 14:04 tenplus1 any famous ppl ? 14:04 xerox123 ANAND: you here? having some issues with placing barriers 14:05 Shara We've had a Trump... 14:06 tenplus1 lol, same... also SkyDoesMinecraft, SSundee and a few others :d 14:06 xerox123 there's a ytssundee on CTF 14:06 Shara I don't even count the youtuber-wannabes 14:07 xerox123 do their videos have their name spinning into dubstep? 14:07 xerox123 hehe 14:12 rdococ I'm not sure if more MT youtubers would be a good or bad thing 14:12 rdococ s/more/lots of/ 14:12 tenplus1 it would be fun to watch 14:13 rdococ Are there any examples of YKW youtubers that (A) have heard of MT and (B) don't conflate Minetest with MTG? 14:14 tenplus1 a few of them prolly have heard of it cause I emailed a few top names to do a video :P 14:14 xerox123 haha 14:14 tenplus1 wether they do is another story :D 14:15 rdococ The problem with people conflating MT with MTG is why I think the engine should be renamed - for now, at least to "Minetest Engine" until we find a more suitable name. 14:16 Shara It's why I think we need more official games 14:16 xerox123 ^ +1 14:16 Shara Or at the absolute least a way to make it much much easier for people to find out about and get alternatives 14:16 Mr-Pardison +11 14:17 rdococ I agree with that as well. 14:17 Shara Of course... the problem is that very few games are actually suitable 14:17 rdococ +3.14™ 14:17 Shara Not to mention the issue of most mods depending on default... 14:17 Shara So any otehr game will have the odds stacked against it to begin with 14:17 tenplus1 this is why we need a working quest mod with quests/adventure maps made to use 14:18 Shara I don't care about quests much. I care about having a good, solid survival game that actually feels like a full game by itself 14:18 Shara One that is fully playable without adding in a stack of mods 14:25 IhrFussel If it's the same Trump I had he's a troll 14:25 Shara Of course he was a troll 14:26 IhrFussel "MAKE AMERICA SAFE AGAIN" 14:26 xerox123 RC: the door is shut \o/ 14:26 Shara xerox123: one sec, will open it 14:26 xerox123 yey 14:27 Shara Open now 14:27 Shara Idiot-invasion control methods 14:27 Shara Sadly it became needed 14:27 rdococ "MAKE YOU-KNOW-WHAT GREAT AGAIN" 14:28 Shara I might lift it next month, once study things are not killing me and I can more easily handle server issues 14:28 Shara Curious if a certain cheat detetion thing actually catches something or not :) 14:30 tenplus1 erk 14:38 tenplus1 yup 15:12 tenplus1 hi Krock 15:12 Krock hi tenplus1 15:15 tenplus1 what's new with you dude ? 15:16 Krock a new record low in motivation I guess :/ 15:17 tenplus1 it happens... you need some YOU time away from things 15:18 IhrFussel What o you guys think about a command that teleports the player back to their bones after they died, but when using it they have a cooldown before they can use it again...so if they die more than once during that time the bones are potentially gone? 15:18 tenplus1 sme as the mc death waypoints ? 15:18 Mr-Pardison IhrFussel: what about the /killme command being run over and over and over again to generate a bunch of bones? 15:18 Mr-Pardison ik they could set a killme point with a bed but still. 15:19 tenplus1 once 0.5x death reasons are up and active the /killme can give the command reason and no bones will be dropped 15:19 ANAND IhrFussel, you can prevent them from being able to teleport to their bones until the cooldown period expires 15:20 Mr-Pardison tenplus1: what about if you are making catacombs in survival sans creative priv? 15:20 Krock IhrFussel, why not just add a HUD element to show them the exact location? using commands is a bit too easy 15:20 ANAND Better idea 15:20 ANAND Adheres to the theme of survival 15:21 Krock inb4 on almost each 0.4.x server you can have at least one itemstack which isn't dropped on death. will write a MTG PR for that however 15:21 IhrFussel I already have that command and players can use it freely ... the penalty when dying right now is only "EXP loss" but I want to make it more challenging, so I thought about that cooldown 15:22 tenplus1 rather than XP why not have mana drop 15:22 Krock rather than mana why not have a item drop 15:23 IhrFussel Well if a player dies twice in a short amount of time and they can't use the bone tp command, then their bones are potentially in danger which should increase the stress 15:24 tenplus1 so if you /kill yourself you dont deserve bones :P 15:26 IhrFussel Well EXP on my server determine the player level which ultimately determines the max HP, damage and certain other things ... losing EXP is a pretty big penalty I'd say cause you can also lose levels 15:27 IhrFussel But adding the cooldown could make it a bit more exciting without making it too hardcore difficult 15:59 tenplus1 hi bwarden 16:02 IhrFussel I get lots of "generateImage()" errors for stuff that definitely HAS a texture 16:03 IhrFussel Like default_tinblock.png 16:03 ANAND Is it in the "textures" folder? ;) 16:04 IhrFussel Did you guys rename textures in MTG? 16:04 IhrFussel Looks like a mod is looking for default_tinblock but the actual name is default_tin_block 16:05 Shara no recent renaming that I know of 16:05 ANAND that's the correct name, looks like the mod's got it wrong 16:05 Shara I usually try and stop any renaming of nodes at least 16:05 tenplus1 you sometimes get image errors depending on formatting of PNG... I use optipng to strip all information to stop these errors 16:07 IhrFussel tenplus1, nope it seems to be a mod which loops through X nodes and looks for the texture based on the node string... default:tinblock is the node name but default_tin_block.png the texture 16:07 tenplus1 strange 16:08 IhrFussel Some mod likely looks at "default:tinblock" and assumes the texture name must be default_tinblock.png 16:08 IhrFussel Which it isn't 16:08 ANAND which mod exactly? 16:09 rdococ Concept: A drag-and-drop programming language similar to Scratch, but for minetest modding 16:09 rubenwardy lol 16:09 rubenwardy someone was working on that 16:09 ANAND rdococ, good idea 16:10 ANAND yea I remember seeing a thread on that 16:10 rubenwardy using Google's blocking thing 16:10 rdococ rubenwardy: Actually, I was planning to use Snap!'s code mapping feature 16:10 ANAND They were going to use Qt it seems 16:10 IhrFussel ANAND, I have ~ 180 mods on my server, so not 100% sure...my best guess would be moreblocks 16:10 IhrFussel When it registers the default nodes to the saw 16:10 rubenwardy wrote a thing: https://blog.rubenwardy.com/2018/05/07/mingw-copy-dlls/ 16:10 Shara rdococ: I wonder in what direction that would take average mod quality :D 16:11 rubenwardy well, it shouldn't be for modding as such 16:11 rubenwardy but for teaching programming 16:11 rubenwardy so turtle programming and such 16:11 Shara rubenwardy: I've seen people try and use scracth-like languages for "serious" programming before. 16:11 rdococ rubenwardy: You could teach programming in Minetest with a programmable turtle mod, which already exists in the form of basic_robots 16:11 rubenwardy basic_robots suchs 16:12 rubenwardy *sucks 16:12 Shara You produce something like that for MT, and people will use it to make (what they consider) totally usable mods 16:12 IhrFussel It could also be the shop mod 16:12 rubenwardy I went through and reviewed all the mods for turtles half a year ago 16:12 rubenwardy and turtleminer by that german teacher was the best 16:12 sfan5 >objdump is the Windows’ equivalent to ldd. 16:12 sfan5 that's incorrect 16:12 rubenwardy sue 16:12 ANAND IhrFussel, I've never encountered any such issues on your server before, so the culprit is most likely a new mod. 16:12 rubenwardy sue me 16:13 rdococ rubenwardy: Most of those kinds of mods just have a Lua interface (using Lua to control the turtle) 16:13 ANAND ruben, that's a very helpful write-up, thx 16:13 sfan5 1) objdump is not windows specific 2) it only reads the executable, but does not resolve all library dependencies 16:13 rdococ Unfortunately, formspecs at the moment probably wouldn't handle a Scratch-like environment very well as there are no draggable elements apart from items 16:14 IhrFussel ANAND, it only happens occasionally...sometimes when a player joins other times when a player uses certain things... it definitely is something that parses through node names and assumes that the texture name must be the same as the string 16:14 rubenwardy it shouldn't be done in Minetest anyway 16:14 rubenwardy it should be an external program 16:14 rdococ An inventory list-based programming language ingame would still be interesting, though 16:14 rubenwardy which communicates somehow 16:15 rubenwardy also, updated 16:20 ANAND IhrFussel, it's possible to narrow down on the bug, if an alert is triggered when a player "uses certain things" that causes it. 16:21 tenplus1 hi Jordach 16:21 tenplus1 rubenwardy: is it possible to make slopes using nodeboxes ? 16:22 rubenwardy no 16:22 rubenwardy nodeboxes can only be boxes 16:22 ANAND tenplus1, you could make microscopic stairs which are essentially slopes 16:22 tenplus1 shame, kinda wish a new node style was possible you can add FACES 16:23 ANAND very troublesome though 16:23 ANAND I second that idea 16:24 tenplus1 that way you could do points to make a face with texture... dunno how it'd work out tho :D 16:28 * Krock runs his own MSVC2010 binaries of 0.4.15 to check the backwards compat - in Wine 8) 16:28 tenplus1 hi Jordach 16:28 Krock hi Jordach 16:28 tenplus1 you have returned 16:28 rubenwardy sfan5: thanks for the clarification, didn't realise that it wasn't recursive. Updated page with new script 16:29 tenplus1 hi aerozoic 16:30 Jordach ting 16:30 Jordach try pinging me 16:30 rubenwardy Jordach: 16:30 Jordach worth 16:30 aerozoic wazup tenplus1! 16:30 Jordach rubenwardy: again 16:31 rubenwardy Jordach: o/ 16:31 Jordach better than the previous crt green 16:31 Jordach (literally identical to a retro apple II display) 16:35 tenplus1 Jordach: did you ever see "The best mac is an amiga" video ? 16:35 aerozoic Hey tenplus1, when you add new crops to farming, how do you get them to spawn on the map that's already been explored? 16:35 tenplus1 aerozoic: you typically dont unless you type: /deleteblocks here 20 16:35 tenplus1 and it regens that area, usually removing anything built as well :D 16:36 aerozoic Yeah that command is dangerous XD I just thought maybe you knew a better way :) 16:36 tenplus1 there's so much of the map to explore you tend to find the newer crops, either that or you can find them inside a lucky block :D 16:37 tenplus1 I was tempted to make a "Garden" plant that you break open and it'll drop food/seeds depending on where you are n the world 16:37 tenplus1 that way they spawn everywhere and always drop random items 16:37 aerozoic tenplus1, that would be awesome! 16:37 Mr-Pardison kind of like a luckyblock but in the form of a plant. 16:37 * longerstaff13 got a new keyboard and mouse today o/ 16:37 * Mr-Pardison ^5's longerstaff13 16:37 aerozoic Actually more like a mob spawner 16:38 longerstaff13 wireless too :D 16:38 aerozoic yay longerstaff13 16:38 longerstaff13 only one USB taken in the back of my tower now :P 16:38 Mr-Pardison noice. 16:38 longerstaff13 o/ aerozoic and Mr-Pardison 16:39 aerozoic oh tenplus1 i misread that XD 16:39 aerozoic How about an invisible node for admins to place on the map that randomly spawns farming plants in a 10 node radius? 16:40 tenplus1 admin tend to have "creative" priv so can give themselves anything :D 16:40 aerozoic Creative wouldn't help though. 16:41 IhrFussel I can see that being useful for when lots of map was already generated and the admin wants to replant certain parts of the map with plants... the randomness makes it more realistic 16:42 tenplus1 fussel: which idea, special admin node or Garden node ? 16:42 IhrFussel The node that spawns a random plant in a certain radius (not sure if 10 would be enough though) 16:42 aerozoic The key to the admin node is it's automatic. Place it and forget it. 16:43 IhrFussel That would require a ABM or LBM I think...or nodetimer 16:44 IhrFussel LBM makes more sense maybe cause nobody is going to wait on the map for X minutes to see plants appear 16:44 tenplus1 not at all... could easily make "Admin Green Stick" that you use on soil to spawn random plants 16:45 aerozoic Bonemeal mod does that. But it's not automatic. 16:46 tenplus1 bonemeal only grows grass/flowers on dirt, or assists in growing saplings and crops that are tehre 16:46 tenplus1 I *could* add a green stick for admin use to place random plants tho 16:47 aerozoic Would it work automatic? 16:47 tenplus1 yeh, use the stick like a tool on dirt and watch crops appear 16:47 aerozoic I mean after it's used. I don't want to create a chore for myself. I need something that will persist. See what i mean? 16:47 tenplus1 how do you mean ? 16:49 aerozoic The map around spawn and within a few thousand nodes will never be regenerated. But i would like farming crops to auto respawn in that area so players aren't forced to wander to far off places in search of new crops. 16:49 tenplus1 or players could do the same as Xanadu and whoever finds a new crop, plant it near spawn at the public farms and grows it for all to harvest 16:49 aerozoic I don't want the chore of manually adding crops on a regular basis. 16:57 tenplus1 this would make players lazy though, they wouldnt explore certain biomes to find specific food items... 16:57 tenplus1 woudl make for a boring game 16:57 tenplus1 brb 17:01 tenplus1 or... setup a smartshop that accepts 50 cobble for a food item, and since they do admin shops they would never run out 17:04 tenplus1 hi Raven 17:05 Raven262 Hi ten 17:06 Mr-Pardison hola Raven262 17:06 longerstaff13 o/ 17:06 aerozoic I would expect the admin node to only spawn crops specific to the biome it's placed in. 17:06 tenplus1 o/ longer 17:06 Raven262 Hi 17:10 Krock Does any mod make use of the "hand" slot yet? 17:20 Shara I didn't realise there was one 17:21 Krock heh 17:45 rdococ Hm, delimited continuations are weird 17:46 tenplus1 ? 17:46 rdococ they just look like closures to me 17:46 rdococ to be honest I don't think continuations are an essential feature of programming languages except maybe in web programming 17:46 tenplus1 o/ Jordach 17:46 tenplus1 example rdococ 17:46 * rdococ activates the FireFox 17:46 * Jordach nearly finished theming Quaasel properly 17:47 rdococ tenplus1: there's a thing called a search engine, use it™ 17:48 tenplus1 oh, returns 17:50 longerstaff13 this heat is killing me >.< 17:50 Jordach hmmm 17:50 longerstaff13 o/ Jordach 17:50 Jordach almost better than default colouring 17:50 * Jordach test 17:50 longerstaff13 failed :P 17:50 tenplus1 lol 17:51 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/2gvdyqn.png 17:51 Jordach there we go 17:51 rdococ UK still in a heat-wave 17:51 Jordach joins are brighter than parts 17:51 rdococ see? climate change IS real™ 17:51 tenplus1 o.O 17:52 rdococ Jordach likes rejoining the channel over and over 17:52 longerstaff13 I have a desk fan running and it's still not cool enough 17:52 Jordach rdococ: >mfw you can't reload Quassel themes on the fly 17:52 longerstaff13 and 2 windows open 17:52 tenplus1 what temp ya got ? 17:52 longerstaff13 tenplus1: me? 17:52 rdococ Jordach uses Quassel 17:53 * longerstaff13 uses hexchat 17:53 tenplus1 yeh 17:53 longerstaff13 lemme see 17:53 Jordach rdococ: no decent FOSS IRC clients on macOS 17:53 Jordach limechat looks like ass 17:53 longerstaff13  HexChat: 2.9.6 ** OS: Linux 3.13.0-145-generic i686 ** Distro: Debian jessie/sid ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.99GHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.0GB, 51.6% free ** Disk: Total: 71.2GB, 86.6% free ** VGA: 8086:2772 ** Sound: ICH4 - Intel ICH7 ** Ethernet: 14e4:1677 ** Uptime: 1h 21m 17s ** 17:53 Jordach >pentium 4 17:53 rdococ Jordach: Maybe that's because macOS isn't a decent OS 17:53 longerstaff13 heh 17:53 Jordach >literally BSD with commercial software 17:54 Jordach in the 90s, it was ;) 17:54 rdococ I heard AmigaOS is still being developed by its community 17:54 Jordach fastest macs now are the hackintosh machines 17:55 longerstaff13 Amiga was created by Commodore 17:55 longerstaff13 my dad had one when he was a kid 17:55 rdococ Commodore 1024 17:56 longerstaff13 some say Bill Gates stole the idea for Windows from Commodore's AmigaOS 17:56 Jordach longerstaff13: https://i.imgur.com/jU23UEs.png 17:57 longerstaff13 lol 17:57 tenplus1 yeah Amiga Os 4.1 is released on a custom board with new tech :) is pretty good 17:57 tenplus1 at the time my Amiga 1200 outperformed any pc's that were available, even gfx and sound 17:58 Jordach Amigas were great 17:58 rdococ if we had time travel, your computer could theoretically run at an arbitrarily large framerate 17:58 Jordach i had my oldest brothers 1200 with all the games 17:58 tenplus1 +100 17:58 Jordach cannon fodder? lemmings? frontier II and FFE? cheeeeeck 17:58 longerstaff13 lemmings :D 17:59 Jordach think there was elite plus or something 17:59 tenplus1 xenon II, menace, stryx, worms armageddon 17:59 Jordach armageddon is the best worms 17:59 Jordach followed up by II and the new W.M.D 17:59 longerstaff13 [18:44:55] <tcs> *begins to fall asleep* 17:59 longerstaff13 [18:45:07] <tcs> *makes crow sounds* 17:59 tenplus1 I got it on steam :P 17:59 longerstaff13 ignroe that ^ 17:59 Jordach tenplus1: same here 17:59 * rdococ turns into a worm 17:59 longerstaff13 that was a mistake XD 18:00 longerstaff13 I meant to paste this: Swap: 2.0G 290M 1.7G 18:00 tenplus1 we even had doom clones on amiga :) not bad for 7mhz and 12mhz systems 18:00 Jordach tenplus1: glooooooom 18:01 tenplus1 ehe 18:01 Jordach the akiko chip in the cd32 was made for the pseudo 3d games like doom 18:01 Jordach shame, since the 1200 was supposed to have that very chip 18:02 Jordach also tenplus1; bonus points for retromancave 18:02 * rdococ tries calling tenplus1, but it doesn't work so he tries tail calling instead 18:02 tenplus1 my cd32 had sx-32 expansion to turn it into computer :D was funny 18:03 Jordach fucking heresy 18:03 Jordach HERESY 18:03 tenplus1 :PPP 18:03 Jordach clementine uses more battery than VLC 18:03 Jordach >VLC uses less battery than clementine 18:03 Jordach >VLC 18:03 tenplus1 stick with vlc... or if it's just audio Audacious 18:03 Jordach my hi-res flac collection wants a word 18:03 Jordach am streaming it over SMBv2 from my windows PC 18:03 tenplus1 jordach, linux or windows ? 18:04 Jordach tenplus1: macOS you silly spud 18:04 tenplus1 aww shame... XmPlay is really good and only 80kb 18:05 longerstaff13 hehe, silly spud 18:09 Jordach iTunes is fantastic as a player, just sucks at not supporting FLAC 18:09 tenplus1 *blegh* 18:09 Jordach it's only weakspot is FLAC support 18:10 longerstaff13 eww, itunes 18:11 tenplus1 typically for music I use Audacious, but mpv is really good too 18:11 longerstaff13 I stream from youtube 18:12 tenplus1 that uses a lot of memory 18:12 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/kQ0rHnD.png 18:12 longerstaff13 it does yeah but unlimited music 18:12 longerstaff13 especially with adblockers :P 18:13 Jordach tenplus1, longerstaff13 ^^^ 18:14 longerstaff13 sweet 18:14 longerstaff13 Jordach: you have discord? 18:14 Jordach *duh* 18:14 Jordach i nearly became top rank in the MT unoffical one because i'm a godtier shitposter 18:15 longerstaff13 lol 18:15 tenplus1 hhe 18:15 Jordach doesn't help i'm half aussie along with severe mental issues keeping me at home permanently 18:16 longerstaff13 I'm autistic and I can't go out by myself, so I sort of know how you feel there, I said sort of 18:16 tenplus1 lol 18:17 * rdococ hugs the Jordach 18:17 * tenplus1 fills room with yays 18:17 * rdococ sneakily replaced the Jordach's macOS with a Linux-based lookalike 18:17 Jordach inb4 the CnD'd pearos 18:17 longerstaff13 lol 18:17 longerstaff13 I made mine look like Windows XP XD 18:18 longerstaff13 with a few tweaks 18:18 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZgGOFS9ysI 18:18 tenplus1 I had the redmond theme for a while cause I hated fiddling with gtk2/gtk3 themes 18:18 rdococ I feel like I'm one of the only people that doesn't care what their desktop looks like as long as it works 18:18 longerstaff13 rdococ: I used to be like that 18:18 Jordach i actually still have the original release ISO 18:18 rdococ longerstaff13: what changed?™ 18:18 Jordach sitting on my desktop 18:19 Jordach rdococ: i'd rather use macOS due to massice ACPI power optimisations it does 18:19 tenplus1 so long as it's useable any theme will do, although "ThinIce" theme is the fastest for redraw but no gtk3.. pah! 18:19 Jordach also instant on is glorious 18:20 Jordach (open the lid and it's already woke up from sleep) 18:20 longerstaff13 I started looking at what I could do, so I changed the colour of the taskbar on this tower, it's Lubuntu by the way, then I changed the launcher icon to have Windows XP's start button, I grabbed that from the internet and resized it on Kolourpaint4 18:20 longerstaff13 changed the desktop background and the window borders 18:20 rdococ Jordach: My setup does the same thing, open lid and it's awake 18:21 rdococ although it doesn't actually go to sleep so nevermind 18:21 Jordach rdococ: i mean i can dual boot linux, it's just that linux winds me up when i want to do something and still have to whip the terminal out 18:21 Jordach (steam and AMD Radeon anyone?) 18:21 rdococ Jordach: in your last screenshot you had a terminal whipped out 18:22 rdococ I have AMD Radeon R3 graphics and I did have Steam installed at one point 18:22 Jordach for screenfetch / neofetch discussions only :) 18:22 longerstaff13 Jordach: my laptop has a Radeon GPU 18:22 Jordach probably an APU 18:22 Jordach which has ARSE support 18:22 longerstaff13 lol 18:22 rdococ I love ARSE support 18:22 rdococ it means my farts smell nice, unlike Jordach's ;) 18:22 longerstaff13 XD 18:22 tenplus1 xubuntu 18.04 has good amd/radeon support now 18:22 tenplus1 the new kernel helps a lto 18:22 Jordach my old HP sucked so much shit while using manjaro, windows 10 even ran better than a full blown linux install 18:22 rdococ ^ 18:23 Jordach the only upside to that shitty HP printer is the cheap ink 18:23 longerstaff13 I got this tower from my uncle who had Windows 7 on it 18:23 Jordach (and the high speed printing mode) 18:23 longerstaff13 much faster on Linux 18:23 rdococ tenplus1: It also has good compatibility with ARSE 18:23 tenplus1 heh 18:24 rdococ Since Jordach's OS is incompatible with his ARSE, he gets symptoms such as computer diarrhoea 18:24 longerstaff13 I laughed at that ^ 18:24 Jordach rdococ: i mean the support for APUs specifically are arse 18:25 Jordach nowhere near as good as say a dedicated GPU 18:25 rdococ Jordach: it's not my fault I chose this laptop foolishly for its "oh-so-amazing" 1 TB of disk space I'll never use 18:25 rdococ ...wait, maybe it is 18:25 Jordach rdococ: lmao i've nearly in four years gone through my 2TB disk at last 18:25 rdococ Sisod, Mr_Pardison! 18:25 Jordach and still have like 800GB spare 18:26 Mr_Pardison gracias, rdococ 18:26 Jordach i'm never going to fill that bastard, no matter how much flac i torrnet 18:26 rdococ 3 TB in 4 years, Jordach? 18:26 rdococ s/3/1/ 18:26 Jordach effectively 18:26 tenplus1 120gb ssd here with 40gb free, and handles all my files/mods 18:26 longerstaff13 rdococ, Jordach, tenplus1: https://postimg.cc/image/x179omvnb/ 18:26 rdococ ugh, I'm never gonna get a new computer at this rate 18:26 Jordach i even found my old Pentium 4 desktop that ran linux backed up on that drive 18:26 rdococ I wish this one would stop working 18:26 rdococ longerstaff13: why would you make your OS look like Windows 18:26 longerstaff13 :P 18:27 Jordach people bitch at me for buying a Mac but i don't see any ultrabooks with the quality of a macbook 18:27 tenplus1 heh nice desky longer 18:27 rdococ Jordach: "quality" meaning sleek design and high price™ 18:27 longerstaff13 thanks :P 18:28 Jordach rdococ: not if you go grade a refurb from an official distributor ;) 18:28 Jordach brand new 3 charge cycle battery too 18:28 * tenplus1 has old CompaqM2000 laptop (18 years old) that runs Lubuntu 18.04 perfectly 18:28 rdococ Jordach is annoyed at people annoyed because he brought from a proprietary copycat™ 18:28 Mr_Pardison longerstaff13: what's CRRCsim? 18:28 Jordach rdococ: lmao no 18:28 rdococ ™ 18:28 longerstaff13 Mr_Pardison: airplane s#imulator 18:28 Mr-Pardison ah. 18:28 longerstaff13 oops 18:28 Mr-Pardison thx. 18:28 longerstaff13 yw 18:28 Jordach i'd rather use something that's decent and has a reasonable keyboard 18:28 rdococ Like my computer™ 18:29 Jordach i tried those butterfly keys 18:29 Jordach http://no.pe 18:29 rdococ what is a butterfly key 18:29 Jordach those new macbook keys 18:29 longerstaff13 my tower is from around 2004-2008 18:29 xerox123 flightgear is a better simulator 18:29 Jordach ^ 18:29 rdococ https://tinyurl.com/y9tyhsgv 18:29 Jordach *it's hip to be a square* 18:30 rdococ since when are keys not usually square except for a few 18:30 Jordach >literally misses the literal meaning and not keyboard 18:30 rdococ >I searched "butterfly keys" and that's what came up 18:31 rdococ hm, I wouldn't know what butterfly keys feel like 18:31 rdococ what doors can they unlock? 18:31 longerstaff13 lol 18:31 rdococ hm, evaluating an AST is effectively a depth-first search... wonder what would happen if you did a breadth-first search instead 18:32 Jordach rdococ: https://i.imgur.com/O1Dtece.jpg 18:32 Jordach they feel like tactile keys 18:32 Jordach but have very minimal travel distance which i prefer 18:32 rdococ sounds tasty 18:32 Jordach wait no 18:32 Jordach i prefer long travel distance 18:33 Krock flat design for OS/websites: yay, flat design for keyboards: nay. 18:33 Jordach good tactile keys with good depression is like me_irl 18:33 Mr-Pardison it's a flatboard. 18:33 rdococ my keyboard has a flat design, kinda hurts my fingers after a while 18:33 Jordach rdococ: the keys on the MBA are great 18:33 rdococ but the non-flat ones can be a pain to use too 18:33 longerstaff13 this new keyboard is a newer flat keyboard 18:33 Mr-Pardison ergo, non-flat designs seem to be best. 18:34 Jordach the whole keyboard and trackpad portion is entirely wedge shaped 18:34 tenplus1 das mine: https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/acer-aspire-s24-5.jpg 18:34 rdococ ergo, Mr-Pardison has yayed 18:35 Jordach i only bought a razer kb because it was dirt cheap and brand new 18:35 Jordach unlike the mice that die if you breathe slightly funny 18:36 Jordach this thing just tanks my high WPM 18:45 tenplus1 I wonder if BlurayAudio has same clarity as original vinyl/tape ? 18:45 * rdococ wows and flutters 18:45 Jordach tenplus1: ask DSD 18:46 Jordach (DSD is the original audio mastering format used for CD since the late 80s and is currently the limits to hi-res mastering) 18:46 Jordach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital 18:50 Jordach it's a completely overkill format, which tracks might range from 400mb to 1GB+ 18:50 Jordach per *single* track 18:51 tenplus1 oo 18:52 Jordach my Sony Walkman 2017 is capable of playing back DSD 18:53 Jordach but by doing so it reduces battery from 50 hours to just under 15 18:54 Jordach (i mean, we have the technology to capture both visuals as perfect 3d models and perfect audio captures these days, just not the hardware to output it) 18:54 tenplus1 it'll get there eventualy 18:54 Jordach my AKG Monitors do a great job of handling 320kbps 18:54 Jordach they really shine when given hi-res 18:55 Jordach these at launched were RRP'd at $650 USD 18:55 tenplus1 most of my music has been recoded to Ogg Vorbis 18:56 Jordach tenplus1: you can buy em off amazon (and still made in slovakia) for about $222 USD now 18:57 tenplus1 hi evergreen 19:05 * Jordach meows at EvergreenTree 19:05 * Mr-Pardison hands Jordach a cat 19:05 Jordach i already have two 19:05 EvergreenTree What does [off] do? Does it disable message logging? 19:05 Jordach yes 19:05 Mr-Pardison si. 19:06 EvergreenTree ah 19:06 Jordach Mr-Pardison: the neibourhood cat that visits me a lot isn't afraid of me 19:06 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/OWf8NCK.jpg 19:07 Jordach thank god for my phone having native 2x optical zoom 19:07 Mr-Pardison looks like a cat where I live. 19:15 Krock Jordach, MTB needs that image 19:16 Mr-Pardison Krock: MTB? 19:16 Jordach Krock: heres 820 ish photos of my kittens since 2 months old 19:16 Jordach https://photos.app.goo.gl/j81hVXA0akVRwgf72 19:16 Krock MinetestBot 19:17 Mr-Pardison Shara: ^ sooo cute. 19:17 Krock wow. your kittens' life is better documented than mine 19:18 Shara Jordach's kittens are cuteness indeed 19:18 Krock / TODO: Document 19:22 Mr-Pardison It's a catfish: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMmlYzEu61QzUKCicJmBzCevYGotYGrKwa8lvI15IObykvEtneVwN5XVfGBCrO6DA/photo/AF1QipO1dE9OVyYI9UtVa-iWDgaKLJ69PthjThS0KjV1?key=R0ZHbHZ3OEdYTWdyUTBtWVFtUEVQNTVFREIyLVZB 19:29 rdococ It's a bobcat: https://tinyurl.com/y7ysftwj 19:39 Fixer HEY, LITTLE DRUM 19:42 Jordach Shara: when the camera quality upgrades that's when i got my Note 8 19:42 Jordach (october 8 i think) 19:42 Jordach though at some point i'll add the new photos in as well 19:48 Jordach Shara: added approximately another 1000 photos 19:50 Mr-Pardison I really like how sharp the images are. 19:50 Jordach praise the goddamn galaxy note 8's dual cameras 19:50 Jordach i didn't buy a £1000 phone for cat pictures (maybe) 19:51 rdococ Now we just need to stick the bobcat's head in a fish bowl and we'll get a bobcatfish 19:51 Mr-Pardison If you did, I wouldn't judge. 19:51 Jordach Mr-Pardison: the pen is handy for when i need to jot down SP ideas 19:51 Jordach and my mac isn't nearby for me to type 19:53 Jordach the cats have been allowed to walk in the snow 19:53 Jordach neither of them were fans 19:55 Jordach at some point i'll switch to iCloud as primary hosting for cat pictures 19:55 Jordach and GPhotos as backup 19:59 Jordach Shara: more pictures incoming 20:01 * Mr-Pardison shall bookmark the page 20:01 * Shara drows in cute 20:01 Shara drowns* 20:01 Mr-Pardison g2g cya tomorrow 20:02 * Mr-Pardison throws Shara a life saver candy 20:02 Shara thanks 20:02 * Shara drowns in cute with candy 20:02 Shara I'm not sure what else he was expecting. 20:02 tenplus1 nite folks o/ 20:03 ThomasMonroe not sure how one exactly drowns in the abstract idea called cute, but okay xD 20:03 Jordach more pictures added (63) 20:04 Jordach cats were given their large cage and taken outside for some sunshine 20:04 ThomasMonroe hey Calinou I placed 4th in the U1500 Blitz tourney on lichess just now :D 20:04 Jordach todo: get some cat harnesses 20:08 Jordach there, all photos collated 20:10 Jordach !tell Mr-Pardison Space Cat II: The Search for Birch https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMmlYzEu61QzUKCicJmBzCevYGotYGrKwa8lvI15IObykvEtneVwN5XVfGBCrO6DA/photo/AF1QipNS-xhejLaZdoq6-fLnDqZE-Ycnncukcwavhqka?key=R0ZHbHZ3OEdYTWdyUTBtWVFtUEVQNTVFREIyLVZB 20:10 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when Mr-Pardison is around 20:11 Jordach Shara: ^ Ash does this a lot 20:11 Calinou ThomasMonroe: nice 20:11 Calinou I don't do well in tournaments, not even the U1500 ones :| 20:11 Calinou my best was like 34% 20:12 ThomasMonroe ah, everyone's different :) 20:12 Shara Jordach: one of mine (the tiny one) now pretends to be cold so she can come under the blankets in the night. Then stays there for most of the day as well. I've started calling her the cave cat. 20:13 Jordach Shara: he's a silly bugger, but he loves the other black and white cat that visits 20:13 Jordach (he's gone nose to nose through the glass at the back door) 20:13 Jordach though, this cat doesn't actually have any collar on 20:13 Jordach (we're not sure if he's chipped or not) 20:14 Shara Mine don't get on with the only other local cats... but probably because those are large and pretty aggressive toms 20:16 ThomasMonroe or just plain crabby 20:16 Jordach we ended up adopting these two after it was too quiet in our house and kitten academy wasnt noisy enough at times 20:16 Shara Mine are chipped, but don't wear collars. We tried for a while, but they always managed to get them off 20:18 Jordach our boys don't mind, but birch is always the first to take it off 20:18 Jordach (we've thought about elastic bow ties) 20:19 Shara Thankfully mine usually stay close to home anyway, especially the tiny one 20:21 Jordach ash rarely sits on my lap 20:21 Jordach he came in my bed, sat down on my lap and started kneading me 20:21 Jordach followed up by grabbing my hand and making me give him scritches 20:22 IhrFussel Why do so many people think that accounts are tied to one device? I already read that claim a few times on my server & now I'm guessing this user thinks the same: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=318034#p318034 20:22 Jordach people are tards these days with technology 20:22 Jordach eg, unable to do anything more than use a touchscreen 20:23 IhrFussel I will add a big fat info to my server that explains the truth to them 20:24 IhrFussel You know my server disallows alt-accounts and people thinking that they need one account per device sometimes create multiple accounts effectively breaking the rule 20:26 Jordach Minetest needs a proper UX rework 20:26 Jordach i mean that shit 20:27 Jordach i don't mean a band-aid with the current system 20:27 Jordach i mean a full on board tutorial that includes the basics of multiplayer 20:27 Jordach servers and how accounts are done 20:31 Shara then watch those who need the tutorial fail to find/activate/whatever it 20:32 rdococ and if you shove it in their faces the first time Minetest starts, you'll get people that don't need the tutorial complaining, and if you have an option to skip the tutorial, you can watch those who need it skip it because they find it boring 20:33 * BillyS curses MySQL 20:33 * rdococ watches as BillyS curses his squeal 20:33 Shara rdococ: sounds about right 20:33 Jordach rdococ: if they read the manual there'd be an empty minetest.conf or separate file that needs to be deleted to disable it 20:34 Jordach or a conf with a single line reading disable_tutorial 20:35 Shara I'm still constantly annoyed by that silly password confirmation thing 20:36 tumeninodes nostalgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PearPC 20:36 Shara which doesn't even do the job of helping people learn how to make accounts 20:36 Shara and can't be disabled by any option 20:36 Shara ...this is probably what would happen if a tutorial was added as well, so no thanks :) 20:36 tumeninodes Ooooo, can you make me an account with $20,000,000,000.00 please? 20:37 Shara If you pay me twice that, I'm sure I can make you an account with that somewhere or other :) 20:38 tumeninodes wait..., how does that work? 20:38 Shara Magic 20:38 tumeninodes I've had enough magic today, thank you :D 20:41 tumeninodes there should be a need to have an account, and password confirmation, for the tutorial on how to make an account ; ) 20:41 Shara :D 20:42 tumeninodes behold the beauty..., of 10.2 on PearPC (yes, I did this once) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vseh2Jshj4 20:48 rubenwardy Jordach: try quassel-core 20:49 rubenwardy it's ZNC but way better 20:49 rubenwardy Quassel > Hexchat 20:54 tumeninodes hexchat being funky today 20:55 Fuchs freenode servers are currently, quote, a bit wobbly 20:55 Fuchs so that might be it. 20:55 tumeninodes or maybe it was just freenode 20:55 tumeninodes ah, thank you Fuchs 20:56 rubenwardy !tell Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6527 20:56 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around 20:56 tumeninodes "a bit ... wobbly" best wording ever 20:56 rubenwardy ...and up to date 20:56 rubenwardy hi all 20:56 rubenwardy hey Fuchs!! 20:56 Fuchs hi 20:56 rubenwardy how's it going? 20:56 Fuchs tired. You? 20:56 tumeninodes hey rubenwardy 20:56 rubenwardy same 20:57 rubenwardy just got back from a BBQ 20:57 rubenwardy heatwave here 20:57 rubenwardy plus last coursework deadline in yesterday, so good timing 20:57 Fixer how much heat? 20:57 rubenwardy 27 deg 20:57 rubenwardy not the hotest 20:57 rubenwardy but hot for this time of year 20:57 Fuchs that's decently hot for the island 20:58 Shara Hi Fuchs :) 20:58 Fuchs yes, hello! 20:59 Shara sadly I have been studying at the screen all day... no chance to enjoy the heat 20:59 Fuchs no balcony or similar? 20:59 rubenwardy :'( 20:59 Fuchs also: exams ahead? 20:59 rubenwardy yes unfortunatley 20:59 Shara Balcony, no... Exams, yes. 20:59 rubenwardy only 2 as most of the work this term has been coursework 21:00 rubenwardy because of module choices 21:00 Fuchs good luck then, to both of you 21:00 tumeninodes Everyone with exams should get a free balcony 21:00 Shara tumeninodes: feel free to come and build one for me then :) 21:00 tumeninodes sure, as soon as I am done sitting on mine sipping some lemonade 21:01 tumeninodes kidding. I don;t really have any lemonade 21:02 Shara Now I want that as well. 21:02 tumeninodes :D 21:03 tumeninodes if lemonade is made with lemons..., what is gatorade made with? 0_o 21:07 tumeninodes off to find some lemons. will be back when freenode is a bit less "wobbly" :) 21:12 rubenwardy wtf 21:12 rubenwardy why did manjaro come with ms-office-online 21:12 sfan5 your fault for not installing arch 21:13 rubenwardy I didn't notice it after checking all the packages on initial install 21:13 rubenwardy maybe added later 21:13 rubenwardy or just missed 21:14 sofar inb4 clearlinux 21:15 rubenwardy I don't see the point of using arch anyway 21:16 rubenwardy there's easier ways to get rolling release software and customisability 21:21 sfan5 you are using arch but don't get the point of using it#? 22:02 rubenwardy oooh https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7253/checks 22:02 rubenwardy this could help with the code style problem 22:02 rubenwardy by showing issues as part of hte github PR 22:02 rubenwardy rather than a link to a CI test 22:11 rdococ My constructed language's phonology and syllable structure is getting more and more ridiculous while remaining fairly pronounceable. "chnshc". "ch" is the "h" in "hue", "c" is the "q" in "queue", and the rest is the same as English. 22:14 sofar http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/twain.htm 22:18 Fixer hub intensifies 22:19 xerox123_ sofar, http://i.imgur.com/IDwJ4F7.gifv 22:20 xerox123_ Crap, wrong link 22:20 xerox123_ Correct link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/7hjkl2/the_european_commission_has_just_announced_an/ 22:21 xerox123_ First link is still semi-interesting 22:21 rdococ sofar: I disagree with replacing consonantal "y" with "i" 22:22 sofar seems like a troll version of Mark Twain's writing, tbh 22:23 sofar so, whoever did that is a piece of brexit 22:23 Fixer i've seen that quote very looong ago 22:24 Fixer kum tru 22:24 rdococ "wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld." 22:24 sofar I think it took me 5 minutes to deciper that last sentence when I first saw it 22:26 rdococ My brain broke 22:26 Fixer some german words are insanely long 22:28 rdococ "chpyfklrknp" <- Is this even pronounceable? "ch" in this case is the "h" in "hue", "y" is the consonant/semi-vowel in "you" and "r" is the "ch" in "loch" but only in certain dialects 22:28 rdococ Might remove the "r" from that 22:30 rdococ "ryoltshycnfk" is a real monstrosity - roughly pronounced "kh-yolt-sh-kyn-fk" 22:30 * sofar nods in agreement but has no clue 22:31 rdococ sofar: Generating words for my constructed language 22:32 * sofar nods in agreement but has no clue, nor any motivation 22:32 rdococ sofar: Unicorns fart rainbows 22:32 sofar if you spend any time interacting with me, you know how much unicorn fart rainbows motivate me 22:33 rdococ None, I'm guessing. 22:33 rdococ How about money? Does that motivate you? :P 22:33 sofar meh, a little 22:34 sofar enough to get off the couch once in a while 22:34 rdococ ...are you okay? 22:34 * Fixer farts on everyone 22:34 rdococ ^ Gotta motivate you to clear that awful smell 22:35 * Fixer while retroexploring some very old minecraft worlds 22:35 * sofar checks self 22:35 sofar all systems appear to operate nominally 22:35 rdococ Didn't Notch once say that he was planning to release YKW as open-source at some point? 22:35 rdococ It'd be better if it was open-source from the beginning, but having it not only closed-source but in the hands of Microsoft is pretty bad. 22:35 BillyS When he dies, maybe 22:36 rdococ You mean when Microsoft dies. Notch himself doesn't really own it anymore. 22:36 BillyS By then, Microsoft will have obfusticated it to the point that it is not longer readable 22:36 BillyS ah 22:37 rdococ The more Microsoft alienates even a semi-small portion of its fanbase, the more people will look for good alternatives 22:38 rdococ So I'm hoping, as the saying goes, that the cloud that is Microsoft absorbing YKW into its poisonous self has a silver lining after all. 22:39 rdococ That is, when the engine gets a name that doesn't instantly make people (A) think that this engine is a rip off of YKW, and/or (B) associate MT with MTG, and think that MTG is all that MT is capable of 22:40 rdococ Renaming and adding a few more official games will hopefully help with that. 22:40 Fixer oh boy 22:40 Fixer just develop MTE/MTG as much as you can 22:41 Fixer minecraft by this time is insanely complex, you can be smarter 22:41 rdococ I don't understand what you're trying to say. I don't want to touch whatever lurks in YKW's source code at the moment. 22:42 rdococ Unless you mean to suggest that people will keep playing YKW due to its enjoyability despite the fact that Microsoft owns it now, which does seem to be happening. 22:42 rdococ I'm surprised to see how few people left because of it, actually. 22:43 Fixer do not lurk in YKW code 22:45 Fixer people play it due to enjoyability 22:46 Fixer there is also cracked version available, mc has no monopoly over mc java pretty much 22:46 Fixer "cracked" 22:46 Fixer you can just disable key checking and everyone can play 22:46 Fixer ken plei 23:03 rubenwardy let's play spot the error 23:03 rubenwardy for (size_t i = 0; package.screenshots.size(); ++i) { 23:06 rdococ // I feel like there's two errors, one obvious one and one less obvious one 23:07 rubenwardy heh 23:07 rubenwardy is there's a less obvious one, I haven't seen it 23:07 rdococ for (size_t i = 0; i < package.screenshots.size(); ++i) { // Well, I fixed the obvious error at least 23:07 rdococ / Wait, I usually see 'i++' in place of '++i' there, but would that make a difference, since the value that returns isn't used anywhere? 23:08 rdococ s/\//\/\// 23:08 rubenwardy ++i is supposedly better than i++ 23:08 sofar if your compiler sucks 23:08 rubenwardy but with any modern compiler there won't be a difference 23:08 rdococ Ah. 23:08 rubenwardy but the MT code style says to use ++i unfortunately 23:09 rdococ Wait, you just said ++i is supposedly better... do you mean i++ is better? 23:09 rubenwardy no ++i 23:09 rubenwardy but 23:09 rubenwardy but with any modern compiler there won't be a difference 23:09 sofar without optimization, ++i is better 23:10 rdococ If ++i is better if your compiler sucks, and there is no difference otherwise, I don't see the problem with using ++i...? 23:10 sofar there is no problem with using ++i 23:13 sofar nor is there a problem with using i++ 23:13 rdococ > but the MT code style says to use ++i unfortunately 23:13 rdococ Then why would it be unfortunate? 23:13 rubenwardy it's less clear for no reason at all 23:14 sofar most people prefer to use i++ over ++i everywhere for consistency 23:14 rdococ Ah. Fair enough. 23:14 sofar and because using ++i could lead to hard to spot errors 23:14 Fixer rubenwardy: https://pastebin.com/raw/mS3P0Y98 when pressed left arrow in content browser 23:15 sofar https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24853/what-is-the-difference-between-i-and-i?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa 23:17 Fixer hate this utm_medium garbage 23:43 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/Q7w8P.png 23:43 rubenwardy Shara ^ 23:46 Shara rubenwardy: uhh.. it does? 23:46 rubenwardy f this 23:46 rubenwardy 1 sec 23:47 rdococ How is it so warm here? 23:48 rubenwardy it's so warm 23:48 rdococ I'm sweating... going to check the heating 23:49 Shara Fussel... that sounds like practically every day on any server to me :P 23:49 rubenwardy wait 23:49 rubenwardy the feature already exists 23:50 rubenwardy I was just added a feature to autoname the world if the input is blank 23:51 rubenwardy turns out that's been done already 23:51 Shara lol 23:51 Shara yea, quite some time back :P 23:52 Shara though it makes such annoying names that I always type something even for test worlds :D 23:55 rdococ If only I had a thermometer... 23:56 rdococ Hm, typed my location with the word "weather" into DDG, was temporarily frightened when I saw '83˚', then I realized that it misinterpreted my location for some place in Missouri. 23:58 rdococ Dark Sky, the weather website DDG gets its information from, says 15 C for my area at the moment. Utter bull. 23:58 IhrFussel Shara, that's the first time it happened to me...must've been lucky 23:59 Shara Playsers just don't really suprise me anymore