Time  Nick            Message
00:30 Megaf           Downloading server list...
00:30 Megaf           Traceback (most recent call last):
00:30 Megaf           File "mt_serverlist_points.py", line 126, in <module>
00:30 Megaf           import urllib.request
00:30 Megaf           ImportError: No module named request
00:30 Megaf           rubenwardy:  ^
00:31 Megaf           I have to do python3 to make i t work
00:32 Megaf           84) Megaf Server v4 = 8.007364975450082
00:32 Megaf           Why is it so badly rated? :/
00:34 Megaf           oh, because of good uptime, but is capped at 8
00:34 Megaf           and 0 players
00:36 Megaf           84) Megaf Server v4 = 75.15367238562091 (not limiting age...)
00:36 Megaf           well, good night
09:30 xerox123_       Good morning
09:32 IcyDiamond      o/
09:38 Krock           @ OPs: Could someone please give voice to ANAND and Gael-de-Sailly ?
09:52 tenplus1        hif olks
09:56 Krock           hit enplus1
09:56 tenplus1        hi krock :)
10:01 tenplus1        hi Gael-de-Sailly and ANAND
10:02 tenplus1        also hi ruben hiding in the background
10:02 rubenwardy      o/
10:04 Krock           rubenwardy, does that set it to persistent voice?
10:05 Krock           just wondering
10:05 rubenwardy      I'm unable to do that
10:05 tenplus1        what's the command to do that ?
10:06 rubenwardy      /msg ChanServ flags USERNAME +V
10:06 rubenwardy      only Shara and c55 can do that, afaik
10:06 tenplus1        Gael-de-Sailly: isnt registered to do that
10:06 ANAND           Greetings!
10:06 rubenwardy      us mortals have to use   /voice username
10:06 tenplus1        neither is NathanS21
10:07 tenplus1        er.. ANAND
10:07 rubenwardy      she is registered
10:07 rubenwardy      [Whois] Gael-de-Sailly is authed as Gael-de-Sailly
10:07 tenplus1        (notice) Channel Gael-de-Sailly is not registered.
10:07 rubenwardy      channel
10:07 tenplus1        ?
10:07 tenplus1        erk
10:07 rubenwardy      I forgot the channel name
10:07 rubenwardy      /msg ChanServ flags CHANNELUSERNAME +V
10:08 tenplus1        ehehe
10:09 ANAND           Shara +v'ed me once, but that wasn't persistent - I wasn't auto-voiced on the next join
10:11 tenplus1        brb, making noms :DD
10:49 Gael-de-Sailly  thanks rubenwardy
10:50 Krock           My life is complete, now I can leave in peace. - GdS
10:51 tenplus1        lol
11:00 * xerox123_     decided to remove the dual boot
11:00 tenplus1        aww, problems ? also hiii
11:00 xerox123_       I have exams in a couple weeks and don't have the time to spend tinkering with it
11:00 tenplus1        lol, it was already there :P
11:00 tenplus1        could easily leave it to after exams
11:00 xerox123_       Maybe if I get my own PC
11:00 tenplus1        oh yeah, was family pc... gotcha
11:01 xerox123_       yeah :/
11:02 tenplus1        watching new tech videos about smartphone design...  they are getting much better
11:02 xerox123_       Wait, gael is female? *Mind blown*
11:03 xerox123_       12:03 and I'm still in bed
11:03 tenplus1        heh, it's sunday afterall
11:04 xerox123_       Tomorrow is bank holiday too
11:04 xerox123_       So even more sweet sweet sleep
11:04 tenplus1        ehehehe
11:04 Krock           xerox123_, congrats for removing the Windows boot finally
11:05 tenplus1        :PPPP
11:05 xerox123_       ? I'm still on Windows
11:05 Krock           whereas I'm pretty sure you removed the Linux boot
11:05 tenplus1        xubuntu all the way
11:05 Krock           * xerox123_ decided to remove the dual boot
11:05 Krock           unclear statement
11:05 xerox123_       Ah, I removed xubuntu
11:05 ANAND           Haha
11:06 Krock           xubuntu all the way .. down the river
11:06 tenplus1        nuuuu
11:06 tenplus1        runs better than redhat
11:06 ANAND           :P
11:07 xerox123_       Gonna play from freefire
11:08 ANAND           xerox123_, what problem(s) did you actually face with Linux?
11:09 Krock           1) Family members
11:10 ANAND           ^ The *only* reason Windows is still a known face
11:10 ANAND           Also the reason I have to put up with dual-booting
11:11 tenplus1        first thing I did when Mom got a laptop was install Xubuntu
11:12 ANAND           tenplus1, you must've faced opposition like never before...
11:14 BillyS          Just go at it with a ubuntu install DVD and a pipe wrench. :P
11:14 tenplus1        not at all, she hated Windows 10 with a vengence
11:14 tenplus1        confused the crap outta her
11:14 ANAND           XD
11:15 ANAND           lucky you...
11:16 tenplus1        she also had 32gb m2 drive instaslled and no room left after winblows install...   Xubuntu only needed 3.8gb
11:16 ANAND           True
11:18 Krock           W95 feeling with Xfce: https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95/blob/master/Screenshots/SCREENSHOTS.md (to those who haven't seen it yet)
11:18 ANAND           Wow...
11:19 tenplus1        xfce windows 10 https://cn.pling.com/img//hive/content-pre1/173834-1.png
11:19 ANAND           Whoa, is that even Linux?
11:20 tenplus1        xfce win7 look https://i.stack.imgur.com/omfdK.png
11:20 tenplus1        and yes, linux can be themed to look like any Os
11:21 rubenwardy      gross
11:21 ANAND           I know, but how are they using the exact same icons? Aren't they proprietary?
11:21 tenplus1        you can get icon sets from gnome-look.org that look similar :D
11:21 ANAND           ah..
11:21 tenplus1        *cough* macosx on xfcwe https://img00.deviantart.net/2188/i/2015/134/d/a/xosemite___os_x_yosemite_on_xfce_by_synetcon-d8tcuwb.png
11:22 ANAND           kewl
11:23 rubenwardy      so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should
11:23 ANAND           lol
11:23 tenplus1        lol, you could easily replace someone's Os with linux and unless they look very hard they would never really know
11:25 ANAND           <brainwave> Imma install xfce w/ Win7 and rename it's GRUB entry to Windows 7 :D </brainwave>
11:26 ANAND           /ban Windows You're just so terrible
11:26 tenplus1        lolol
11:27 ANAND           It could seriously work... My PC will be reborn!
11:29 tenplus1        check out the best xfce/gtk3 themes on gnome-look.org - some amazing ones there
11:31 ANAND           Sweet
11:31 ANAND           bbl, afk ;)
11:32 tenplus1        o//
11:33 Krock           tenplus1, gnome-look, xfce-look and opendesktop are all the same - but strangely don't redirect to a central one
11:33 tenplus1        I know it's weird...  especially when I was looking for IceWM themes
11:33 Krock           heh. icewm-look
11:34 tenplus1        my desktop is IceWM with Trisquel theme :D is really nice
11:39 tenplus1        https://cn.pling.com/img//hive/content-pre1/164600-1.png <-- whaddya think ?
11:44 Krock           mmh.. not quite my preference and the bottom right icons shouldn't have that background color - it looks like cut out and glued on top of the bar
11:44 tenplus1        wb lisac
11:45 tenplus1        ahh, that's the system tray, they forgot to apply bar theme to it
11:46 rubenwardy      I'm sorry to say this, but I'm leaving Minetest
11:46 rubenwardy      I can't deal with this any more
11:46 rubenwardy      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=317927#p317927
11:46 tenplus1        o.O
11:47 tenplus1        a fury mod ?
11:47 rubenwardy      I wish
11:47 rubenwardy      A nick fury mod would be awesome
11:47 tenplus1        lolol
11:48 tenplus1        hats and tails on players are easily done with object attachments
11:51 Krock           Oh I want this so much
11:51 Krock           but also with cat ears to enable on demand
11:52 tenplus1        rubenwardy: http://minecraftgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/nickfurry.png
11:52 tenplus1        hi fussel
11:52 rubenwardy      no
11:52 IhrFussel       Hey there tenplus1 =)
11:52 * tenplus1      thought ruben was joking...
11:53 IhrFussel       Is it "renameda protection in ..." or "renamed a protection as ..." ?
11:53 * Krock         too
11:53 tenplus1        wb :P
11:53 Krock           reeeee
11:53 Krock           rubenwardy, I must say you scared me for a moment
11:58 Krock           IhrFussel, context? "Renamed the protection at XYZ to Foo Bar Baz"
11:59 Krock           or maybe also "Named a protection Foo Bar Baz"
12:01 IhrFussel       Krock, "to" seems to be correct...I didn't think of that, but thanks =P
12:01 Krock           !next
12:01 MinetestBot     Another satisfied customer. Next!
12:08 BillyS          hehe
12:08 tenplus1        hi billy
12:08 BillyS          hi
12:08 rdococ          hi rdococ
12:09 BillyS          My internet is SO SLOW.
12:09 tenplus1        o/ rdococ
12:09 BillyS          I am getting like 300 Kbps
12:09 rdococ          BillyS's internet is SO SLOW
12:09 BillyS          agreed, for once
12:10 Krock           BillyS, enough for playing Minetest
12:10 BillyS          It should be illegial to have internet this slow. Congress sure seems to like making laws about random stuff that doesn't matter and doesn't apply to them, so why don't they do something about this?
12:10 BillyS          Krock: No, its not even enough to load a ewbpage
12:10 BillyS          *webpage
12:11 Krock           *it's
12:12 Krock           In the US, I assume? A working health insurance seems more important IMO
12:12 rdococ          Does the client keep a cache of the nodes and stuff a server has sent to it? I think it keeps a cache of textures, but I'm not sure about other stuff
12:12 tenplus1        websites arent that well optimized these days...  1.2mb min
12:12 Krock           rdococ, see client/media/cache/
12:12 rdococ          BillyS: Maybe having internet this slow doesn't apply to them either ;)
12:12 tenplus1        rdococ: it caches texture and models I think, nothing else
12:13 Krock           textures, models and sound files
12:13 tenplus1        oh yeah, forgot about the oggs
12:13 Krock           and translation files now since 0.5.0-dev too
12:13 BillyS          rdococ: Pretty sure it doesn't. Chances are, they are spending taxpayer money on top of the line itnernet for them
12:14 rdococ          BillyS: I'd love to have good itnernet
12:14 BillyS          Me 2
12:14 tenplus1        what speeds are you paying for ?
12:14 rdococ          BillyS: I was joking, you mis-spelled "itnernet". I have reasonably fast internet speed most of the time.
12:15 rdococ          I'd also love to have good itaonestoanet
12:16 * BillyS        grabs rdococ's internet and runs
12:16 * rdococ        watches as BillyS has trouble connecting to the internet as it is protected by its yay shield
12:17 tenplus1        wb davisonio
12:17 Krock           "I have reasonably fast internet speed". >= 100 Mbps upload and download stats from speedtest or it didn't happen
12:17 davisonio       Thanks
12:17 tenplus1        heh
12:18 * BillyS        wishs he had 100Mbps up
12:18 tenplus1        max I've had is 64mb/sec download and 3mb.sec upload
12:18 BillyS          And down, for that matter
12:18 * Krock         would like to have a faster connection too
12:18 BillyS          I have 3mb/sec up and 256 kb/serc down, but its shared with 5 peopel
12:18 BillyS          *people
12:18 BillyS          *sec
12:19 Krock           *Mb
12:19 davisonio       https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Sg7Qaawh/IMG_2252.PNG
12:19 davisonio       Internet here sucks
12:20 Megaf           tenplus1: hi
12:20 Megaf           hi all
12:21 tenplus1        what Os billy ?
12:21 tenplus1        hi fixer
12:21 tenplus1        hi Megaf
12:21 Megaf           wb Fixer
12:22 Fixer           hi
12:22 Krock           18 Mbps here currently. It'll surely go down in the next hours (afternoon/evening traffic)
12:25 Megaf           tenplus1: enjoying the heatwave?
12:25 tenplus1        lol
12:25 tenplus1        20c outside; P
12:26 Megaf           https://darksky.net/forecast/53.3731,-6.2718/ca12/en
12:26 Megaf           yep
12:27 Megaf           and UV index is 5, toasty
12:27 tenplus1        so long as we get an even mix of uv-a and uv-b it's all good... too much of one causes skins issues
12:28 Fixer           20c heatwave, lol
12:28 Krock           Megaf, I selected year ~2045 in that weather time machine: "ERROR - You done goofed."
12:29 Megaf           hah
12:29 Megaf           Krock: how long did it take you to get to year 2045?
12:30 Krock           about four clicks
12:30 Fixer           6-7 here when sunlight
12:31 Megaf           2028 is the max prediction
12:32 Megaf           This day in 2028 it will not be 20C, global heating debunked
12:32 Megaf           global warming*
12:32 rdococ          I just called "13.75 Mbps" "reasonably fast"
12:33 rdococ          The UK shouldn't be getting heatwaves, global warming is real
12:33 rdococ          Everyone knows our weather is meant to be cloudy, rainy, and at 15 C on a good day
12:33 rdococ          Why is there a giant yellow ball in the sky
12:33 tenplus1        lol
12:34 Megaf           good point ^
12:34 rdococ          BillyS: Do you get 13.75 Mbps?
12:35 rdococ          Megaf: Or maybe you should think of why the term "Climate Change" was popularizedâ„¢
12:35 rdococ          It's not just warmingâ„¢
12:36 rdococ          Mexicans should be glad of the wall, it keeps the Humpty Trumpy outâ„¢
12:41 rdococ          I want to build a wall and make Theresa May pay for itâ„¢
12:41 rdococ          Wall doesn't even have to have any purpose, I just want Theresa May to payâ„¢
12:41 Megaf           Are they actually building the wall?
12:42 Fixer           bestest shitposting on mtg-hub in its glory
12:42 rdococ          Megaf: If so, all you will need is some plane tickets
12:42 Megaf           I have USA Visa already
12:42 rdococ          Although I don't think you'd want to enter the US anymore
12:43 rdococ          Don't come here, either, because of Theresa Nayâ„¢
12:43 xerox123_       BillyS: my mobile data http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/3894357573
12:43 xerox123_       My home internet is 38/9.5
12:44 rdococ          xerox123_: Your mobile data is faster than my home broadband
12:44 rdococ          xerox123_: What broadband service do you use?
12:44 xerox123_       Mobile: 3 Home: TalkTalk Fibre
12:44 rdococ          Net Neutralityâ„¢: Some American thing that Americans whine about losing while everyone else wonders why they're whining so muchâ„¢
12:45 rdococ          Yayâ„¢
12:45 BillyS          If climate change is real, there isn't much we can do about it anyways.
12:45 rdococ          BillyS: Why isn't there?
12:45 rdococ          BillyS wants the world to burnâ„¢
12:45 BillyS          What do you suggest doing?
12:45 rdococ          I'm not a climate scientist, idiot
12:46 rdococ          Do you see me in charge of figuring out how to solve climate change? No.
12:46 xerox123_       I say we made a hole in the sky so the heat can get out
12:46 xerox123_       Make*
12:46 xerox123_       ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:46 BillyS          Considering that a volcano spews out more greenhouse gases then mankind did during the invdustial revolution, I don't think that we have much effect on the climate at all.
12:46 rdococ          I think we should reinstall the Sun so it stops overheating
12:46 xerox123_       Checkmate Globe Earthists!
12:46 rdococ          BillyS: Citation needed?
12:46 tenplus1        o/
12:47 Megaf           Gotta buy milk, feeling lazy tho
12:47 rdococ          BillyS: Again, citation needed? Plus, either way, that doesn't make climate change irreversible.
12:48 BillyS          Can't find a citation. Internet is too slow
12:48 BillyS          Besides, the world is gonna burn anways, so who cares?
12:49 BillyS          I'm more concerned with people such as radical muslims who are intent on killing me.
12:49 BillyS          (Although, not me specifially)
12:49 rdococ          I'm also concerned about anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, etc. that manipulate human flaws to convince people to their side.
12:50 aerozoic        BillyS, here's a citation: http://cessna.txtav.com/en/citation/x
12:50 * rdococ        puts BillyS on a Citation
12:51 xerox123_       Research Globe Earthâ„¢
12:51 aerozoic        wazup tenplus1
12:51 * BillyS        enjoys the ride
12:52 rdococ          I hate it when people say "Question everything" and then completely avoid questioning their flat-earth, anti-vaccination or other beliefs
12:52 tenplus1        lol
12:52 rdococ          I try to make sure to question everything but when there's stuff I'm sure is true or false, then people might moan at me for not questioning it further
12:53 rdococ          The government is so incompetent that it doesn't deal with the conspiracy theorists that are actually correct, while so competent that it can put these conspiracies into action without people becoming suspicious until years later... or maybe the conspiracies are wrong
12:54 BillyS          See 9-11
12:54 rdococ          On occasion, yes, reasonable people uncover something that the governemnts were hiding, but it's never as big as the shape of the Earth
12:55 rdococ          BillyS: 9-11 was accidentally caused by a time traveller trying to prevent it
12:55 tenplus1        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4WjyTV98lg <-- might help
12:55 BillyS          Uh-huh.
12:55 BillyS          Actually, it was a demolition
12:55 rdococ          Huh, a Life Noggin video
12:56 rdococ          BillyS: CITATION. NEEDED!!!
12:56 BillyS          There is no other way to explain how the towers feel straight down.
12:56 rdococ          There might be and you're ignoring it.
12:56 BillyS          Also, in many videos you can see the puffs of smoke shoot out the side as explosives went off.
12:57 BillyS          Not to mention, the frame was completely destroyed.
12:57 rdococ          Video footage please?
12:57 rdococ          Couldn't find any unedited footage of 9/11.
12:57 BillyS          You really expect be to believe that an office fire melted through steel I-beams in seconds?
12:58 rdococ          An office fire?
12:58 BillyS          Or a gas fire, if thats what people claim now.
12:58 rdococ          What is an office fire?
12:59 BillyS          And this is probably annoying and off-topci to others rn
12:59 BillyS          *off-topic
12:59 rdococ          The phrase "office fire" gives no indication as to what kind of fire it is. Gasoline? Other oils? Wood? Electrical?
13:00 BillyS          In this case, it was gas.
13:00 rdococ          BillyS: looks like from some picture that it was wind. Did you know that wind blows stuff?
13:01 BillyS          You think wind started a fire?
13:02 longerstaff13-m It can blow fure to other objects
13:02 longerstaff13-m Fire*
13:02 rdococ          No, you idiot, the wind blew the puffs of smoke.
13:02 rubenwardy      http://www.speedtest.net/result/7286976152
13:02 rdococ          Do you seriously think I would claim that wind could start a fire?
13:02 longerstaff13-m Damn ruben, that's cool
13:02 rdococ          It might, I don't know, but not in the case of 9/11!
13:02 IhrFussel       "pilodinal_abscess" what a wonderful player name
13:02 BillyS          Sarcastically, yes.
13:03 * rdococ        steals rubenwardy's internet
13:03 rdococ          BillyS: I'm surprised that was sarcasm tbh.
13:03 rubenwardy      oh no!
13:03 longerstaff13-m rubenwardy: usually on my ISP I have 30-ishMbps down and 9Mbps up
13:04 rdococ          Oh yay, rubenwardyâ„¢
13:05 BillyS          I’m not interested in having you ruin my day by pulling me down a useless rabbit hole full of junk just to prove that I was correct, a fact that you usually won’t admit.
13:06 longerstaff13-m Stop arguing
13:06 BillyS          Thats exactly what I'm doing, LS
13:07 longerstaff13-m No you aren't, you're carrying it on
13:07 longerstaff13-m By reyig to him
13:07 longerstaff13-m Replying*
13:10 longerstaff13-m rubenwardy:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iJMjzb6N/Screenshot_2018-05-06-14-09-57.png
13:11 longerstaff13-m I can't even connect XD my connection is bad sometimes
13:11 tenplus1        ouch
13:12 aerozoic        tenplus1, just curious if you have future plans for farming redo?
13:13 tenplus1        will slow but surely add new crops and optimize the poission growing routines
13:13 tenplus1        got anything in mind ?
13:20 tenplus1        aerozoic ???
13:20 aerozoic        tenplus1, i was mainly just curious if you had any spoilers XD
13:21 tenplus1        ahh... ehehe, thought you had some ideas :D
13:21 aerozoic        SOmething did occur to me though
13:21 tenplus1        if someone could do textures for additional food items I would happily use them
13:21 aerozoic        Herbs and spices.
13:23 tenplus1        that would be handy...
13:23 aerozoic        I'm not a texture person. Wish i was!
13:23 tenplus1        herbs grow quick so 3 step textures maybe...  mint, basil, thyme, lemongrass, ginger root
13:24 aerozoic        But then i started wondering how you would to herbs and spices. Because nobody finds them in the wild, they are always bought from the store as seeds.
13:25 tenplus1        redo doesnt use seeds so we would find them on the map amidst bushels and stuff and plant cuttings/actual herbs to regrow
13:26 aerozoic        Yeah the same is true for all farming crops. LOL idk what i was thinking
13:27 aerozoic        Oh yeah i remember. They are normally grown indoors in little trays that hold several plants.
13:28 tenplus1        could easily make a window tray with {soil=3} group that allows you to grow herbs :D
13:28 tenplus1        that's how hydrophonics mod works :D
13:30 rdococ          hydroponics: putting water on wool to make stuff growâ„¢
13:30 tenplus1        lol
13:30 aerozoic        oh tenplus1, i had another idea, actually one of my players did. Farming redo has the ingredients for several flavors of ice cream :D
13:31 rdococ          Putting plants on hydroponics would mean you can add nutritional stuff to the hydroponics to control how fast it grows? Yayâ„¢
13:31 tenplus1        adding basic food items is ok, but additional foods is really up for a new mod :)
13:31 rdococ          Ice cream is made from seaweed and fish
13:31 tenplus1        heh
13:31 rdococ          Everyone knows that
13:31 aerozoic        ah ok, cool
13:32 tenplus1        ruben has a nice food mod with sweets and such ;) could easil be added to
13:32 tenplus1        I tend to give 1 example food for the crop in question as a default :P
13:33 aerozoic        that's a good standard to stick with :)
13:33 tenplus1        pie (cake) mod lets you use ingredients :P
13:34 xerox123_       rubenwardy: are those speeds from a university connection?
13:36 aerozoic        tenplus1, i guess that means butter won't be added?
13:37 tenplus1        I coudl add butter do mobs redo animals
13:37 tenplus1        the cow makes cheese already :) no reason I cant add butter
13:37 aerozoic        That's what i was thinking :)
13:38 tenplus1        it currently cooks milk into cheese
13:38 tenplus1        how about 1x bucket milk + 1x salt = 1x butter ?
13:41 aerozoic        hmm
13:41 aerozoic        I can't think of anything better
13:42 aerozoic        unless you wanted to do like you did in farming redo and add a butter churn
13:42 rdococ          English loves its consonant clusters
13:43 rdococ          "str" in "strength"
13:43 rdococ          Ooh, a butter churn
13:43 tenplus1        lol, butter churn would be nice but someone would have to add as mod :D
13:44 rdococ          you smelt milk to get cheese?
13:44 tenplus1        quickly cooking milk bucket gives cheese, yes...
13:44 tenplus1        was an old mc recipe :D
13:44 aerozoic        no i mean it could be a utensil like petals and mortar
13:44 rdococ          tenplus1: when did YKW have cheese? o_O
13:44 rdococ          based on a look on the interyays, "smelting milk to get cheese" seems accurate enough
13:45 tenplus1        dunno rdococ, like I said an old recipe :D they've had cows for ages
13:45 tenplus1        adding salt to bucket milk to give butter is easy also
13:45 rdococ          YKW has never had cheese...
13:45 rdococ          At least not vanilla YKW... mmm, ice cream
13:46 xerox123        YKW?
13:46 BillyS          - YOu Knoew What
13:46 BillyS          *Knoew
13:46 aerozoic        yeah that's more basic, it's up to you
13:46 BillyS          *Know
13:46 BillyS          = MC
13:46 xerox123        why Are people so afraid of sating minecraft?
13:46 xerox123        saying*
13:47 aerozoic        They don't want to admit that they play it.
13:47 rdococ          xerox123: It's a bit of a joke I started
13:47 rdococ          aerozoic: I don't play it
13:47 aerozoic        denial XD
13:47 rdococ          I have it, yes
13:47 rdococ          I don't play it
13:48 rdococ          I brought YKW:PE before it became Cash Grab Editionâ„¢
13:48 tenplus1        wait a sec, milk + salt = butter, but what if the player doesnt use farming redo, no salt...  any alternative recipe ?
13:49 rdococ          acid + metal = salt
13:49 rdococ          â„¢
13:49 aerozoic        yeah... milk + butter churn = butter
13:49 * rdococ        gives tenplus1 some sodium metal and some hydrochloric acidâ„¢
13:49 aerozoic        lol
13:49 rdococ          I was planning to create a mod that added acid nodes that dissolve certain materials
13:50 * BillyS        grabs the hydrochloric adic, pours it on aluminum, waits a moment, and then lights it
13:50 * BillyS        watches the aluminum explode into flame
13:50 BillyS          Yay
13:50 rdococ          You'd be able to do inquarting to refine gold if there's too much silver in itâ„¢
13:50 BillyS          I've done that before
13:50 BillyS          It's fun
13:50 rdococ          BillyS: Try scoring the aluminum and then pouring gallium on it ;)
13:50 rdococ          After a while it turns super brittle and you can break it with your fists
13:51 BillyS          Yeah, then I won't need to light it
13:52 rdococ          Anyway, onto my acid concept: Ore would no longer come in the form of blocks that you mine to get lumps of the pure ore that you can then smelt into pure metal; rather, there would be various combination ores such as "gold silver ore", which you would have to do inquarting (requiring "silver ore") to dissolve the silver away and get pure gold dust
13:53 rdococ          That or you'd have low-grade ores, "low-grade gold" would have a lot of impurities that you would have to use chemistry to remove
13:54 BillyS          sounds n00b-rpoof
13:54 BillyS          *proof
13:54 rdococ          Which means BillyS won't be able to play itâ„¢
13:54 rdococ          jk
13:54 BillyS          Aww, now I don't  have an excuse to kill you anymore. :P
13:55 rdococ          You need an excuse to kill people? :P
13:55 BillyS          Only if you get caught
13:56 rdococ          True
13:57 rdococ          Anyway, you would have low-grade ores, and the low-grade ores would either require crafting with specific materials such as acids, or to be put into certain machines, to get the metal you want
13:57 rdococ          Low-grade gold would basically be useless, but if you purify it then you get gold dust, 4 of which makes, say, a gold ingot
13:57 rdococ          We seriously need some sort of furnace crafting table so you can smelt-craft stuff together
13:58 tenplus1        +100
13:58 tenplus1        a 2x2 craft grid inside furnace
13:58 tenplus1        depending on placement/item it smelts different items/cooks food
13:58 rdococ          And maybe a separate advanced furnace with a 3x3 crafting grid
13:59 BillyS          interesting yayidea
13:59 BillyS          Maybe I could make a PR to MT game
13:59 rdococ          Yaysa
14:00 rdococ          IcyDiamond: In melterns, you could override the default tools to have only 1 use
14:01 rdococ          Except for wood and stone, of course
14:01 rdococ          Also, what the tool's components are (tool handle, tool head, etc) could be in the tooltip
14:01 IcyDiamond      yeah
14:03 rdococ          Also, circular saw mod is yay
14:03 * aerozoic      yay for crappy internet :)
14:03 IcyDiamond      yay mod is circular saw
14:03 * rdococ        engulfs aerozoic for thinking that he plays YKW
14:03 rdococ          Delicious, tastes like the wind
14:03 * rdococ        farts
14:03 IcyDiamond      XD
14:04 tenplus1        Mobs_Animal updated (now has butter and 2x recipes)
14:04 * rdococ        eats all of the butter
14:05 IcyDiamond      XD
14:05 rdococ          Alchemy mod: transmute lead into goldâ„¢
14:10 tenplus1        and gold into butter
14:10 rdococ          Lol, gold does look like butter doesn't it
14:11 IcyDiamond      :P
14:11 rdococ          If you inquart it with the purest mithril you get ice creamâ„¢
14:11 tenplus1        :P
14:11 rdococ          It'd be nice to have a furnace-crafting table so that you could do inquarting in a way that makes sense (how are you going to mix two hard lumps of metal or two hard ingots of metal when they're not even in their melted state?!)
14:12 rdococ          "Nitric acid is made by reaction of nitrogen dioxide (NO2) with water."
14:13 tenplus1        I still think a level 2 furnace for smelting is a good idea
14:13 rdococ          Hm, looks like you might need nitric acid to get the metals required to get nitric acid
14:13 BillyS          â„¢
14:13 rdococ          Have fun with circular craftingâ„¢
14:14 rdococ          Or at very high temperatures you can get nitrogen to oxidize... hm
14:15 rdococ          Looks like most iron on Earth is bounded in silicates
14:16 rdococ          "Iron ores consist of oxygen and iron atoms bonded together into molecules. To convert it to metallic iron it must be smelted or sent through a direct reduction process to remove the oxygen. Oxygen-iron bonds are strong, and to remove the iron from the oxygen, a stronger elemental bond must be presented to attach to the oxygen. Carbon is used because the strength of a carbon-oxygen bond is greater than that of the iron-oxygen bond, at high
14:16 rdococ          temperatures. Thus, the iron ore must be powdered and mixed with coke, to be burnt in the smelting process."
14:16 rdococ          Yay, we have our crafting recipe! iron ore + coal = iron
14:17 tenplus1        *steel ?
14:17 rdococ          "However, it is not entirely as simple as that. Carbon monoxide is the primary ingredient of chemically stripping oxygen from iron. Thus, the iron and carbon smelting must be kept at an oxygen deficient (reducing) state to promote burning of carbon to produce CO not CO
14:17 rdococ          2."
14:17 rdococ          Forget it, I'm only interested in ores that require acids to dissolve away impurities.
14:18 rdococ          Ooh, tenplus1: Imagine: carbon nanotube swords. Deadly to touch.
14:20 tenplus1        light to the touch, fast swing, sharp as hell :D
14:20 * xerox123      connects back to xanadu after a long time
14:21 tenplus1        lot of new features added xerox :d
14:21 IcyDiamond      !title https://github.com/LunaSquee/melterns/commit/29768bc5f3b0499b3c6c6f722445202d10ada661
14:21 MinetestBot     IcyDiamond: Add current components to tool description · LunaSquee/melterns@29768bc · GitHub
14:21 IcyDiamond      there we go
14:21 rdococ          "Free hydrochloric acid was first formally described in the 16th century by Libavius, who prepared it by heating salt in clay crucibles."
14:22 rdococ          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid
14:22 rdococ          tenplus1: Yay! I will need some of your salt so I can smelt itâ„¢
14:22 rdococ          BillyS: You're also a good source of saltâ„¢
14:27 tenplus1        alternative recipe (if farming redo isnt active) is to use milk bucket + sapling since some saplings are high in salinity
14:27 tenplus1        hi Jordach
14:30 tenplus1        I think mt should have a base mod that contains basic items for use with all mods, food items etc.
14:33 rubenwardy      xerox123: my home
14:34 tenplus1        thats the good thing about mc is that it has a base for mods to use items for crafting, e.g. bucket of milk, wheat etc. whereas mt needs to check if mod exists and change recipes accordingly
14:34 rubenwardy      Virgin 200 Gamer
14:34 IcyDiamond      lol
14:34 rubenwardy      with group based crafting, you don't need to change recipes necessarily
14:34 IcyDiamond      automatic dependency resolution please
14:36 tenplus1        exctly ruben, which is why I added {food_?} groups to farming and mobs, as did bbq mod
14:45 IcyDiamond      [1]    994 segmentation fault (core dumped)  ./bin/minetest
14:45 IcyDiamond      I WASN'T PLAYING ANYWAY, THANKS
14:46 tenplus1        lol
14:46 IcyDiamond      [178975.444757] minetest[31583]: segfault at 7feb16cf12a0 ip 00007feb16cf12a0 sp 00007ffee7977568 error 15 in libc-2.26.so[7feb16cf0000+2000]
14:46 IcyDiamond      [180796.557527] Server[1399]: segfault at 1000119 ip 000055f4ee47f4d7 sp 00007fbff37fd5b0 error 4 in minetest[55f4edf0f000+780000]
14:46 IcyDiamond      for the geeks here
14:46 * tenplus1      understands nothing
14:46 IcyDiamond      it's just a bunch of memory addresses and crap
14:46 IcyDiamond      nothing anyone can really do about it
14:46 IcyDiamond      :P
14:47 IcyDiamond      s/about/with/
14:48 IcyDiamond      a mysterious error happened in libc-2.26.so that made everything hit the shitter
14:48 IcyDiamond      basically
14:48 * tenplus1      still gets the odd serialize.h error that cannot be tracked
15:04 IcyDiamond      why is the boat called a boat when its clearly a raft
15:05 tenplus1        good point
15:05 xerox123        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we'll never know
15:05 tenplus1        maybe it transforms
15:05 IcyDiamond      the one who added it was thinking about YKW without considering the model
15:05 IcyDiamond      :P
15:07 rdococ          Backzies
15:07 rdococ          IcyDiamond: food_milk?
15:07 IcyDiamond      malk
15:07 rdococ          s/ IcyDiamond / tenplus1 /
15:07 rdococ          food_milkâ„¢
15:07 rdococ          I love to enjoy some food_milk
15:08 tenplus1        ehehe
15:09 * rdococ        gives tenplus1 some nitric acid and a gold-silver ore lump
15:09 * tenplus1      sells them for cheese
15:09 * rdococ        steals the cheese
15:09 tenplus1        nuuuuu
15:09 * rdococ        mixes it with some yay essence to produce gold
15:09 rdococ          Gold should be used more
15:09 rdococ          It could be used to create amulets and stuff that do things
15:10 xerox123        most used 8 char word is 'minetest', surprisingly enough
15:10 tenplus1        yeah, we need more items... 3d_armor could easily add necklaces
15:10 xerox123        1,483 times
15:10 tenplus1        have a trinket slot
15:10 rdococ          If two people wear amulets with the same UID, the two will be interconnected and will be able to swap positions at will
15:10 rdococ          Sort of like DeathSwap, but voluntary
15:11 tenplus1        hrmmmm
15:11 rdococ          If three people wear amulets with the same UID, then clicking will cause the other two players to swap places
15:11 tenplus1        that would make /tpr a game mechanic using items
15:11 rdococ          Ooh, new minigame: Minetest survival with mobs and stuff, and 3 players randomly distributed on the map. When one player uses their magic yay amulet to click, the other two players swap places
15:12 rdococ          Last player alive wins all 3 amulets
15:12 xerox123        who's up for gunparty?
15:12 rdococ          not yet
15:12 xerox123        aw
15:13 xerox123        it's not up it seems
15:13 tenplus1        is the new 3d_armor mod stable now ?
15:16 rdococ          xerox123: I recommend looking on r/WritingPrompts, it's awesome
15:17 xerox123        not my thing
15:19 xerox123        my favourite: r/quityourbullshit lol
15:20 rdococ          https://www.reddit.com/r/WritingPrompts/comments/8hcbbu/ <- Writing prompt about a universe where doing good deeds gets you negative years in prison
15:23 Megaf           !title
15:23 MinetestBot     Megaf: reddit: the front page of the internet
15:24 IcyDiamond      Lol
15:25 rdococ          There's one about a shapeshifter in a village that's also the perfect scapegoat because the others in the village can just claim to be the shapeshifter
15:32 rdococ          This one's also fun: "You're a dragon who enjoys living a peaceful life away from humans when one day, a princess shows up asking you to "kidnap" her so she doesn't have to get married."
15:33 Krock           https://www.reddit.com/r/WritingPrompts/comments/8h829z/  Instant Doctor Who flashbacks (Clara Oswald)
15:40 * tenplus1      kinda likes the idea of having an armor block for players to use intead of adding to inventory
15:41 rdococ          Idea: Survival with only one inventory slot
15:41 rdococ          Or, heck, even 0, but you'd have the ability to pick up tool entities like a gravity gun but different and smack them against blocks
15:51 Fixer           oh boy, N pages of shitposting ._.
15:51 rdococ          I need ideas: How should nitric acid be crafted?
15:52 rdococ          Iron lumps would be crafted with coal and smelted; gold lumps require inquarting with silver lumps and then nitric acid
16:01 tenplus1        support for POVA added to 3d_armor (pull)
16:05 rdococ          Looks like IRL gold ore is only about 8-20% silver
16:05 rdococ          s/20/10/
16:08 xerox123        cheap biscuits + tea = not good
16:09 Mr_Pardison     \o
16:09 tenplus1        hey mister
16:10 Mr_Pardison     sup?
16:10 tenplus1        tinkering with mods as always :) you ?
16:13 Mr_Pardison     figuring out why the website for the business plan presentation isn't working properly.
16:13 Mr_Pardison     It will navigate to the other 3 pages but when I try and click the link button to go to the home page, it does nothing even tho I have it referenced properly.
16:15 tenplus1        link me
16:16 Mr_Pardison     https://codeshare.io/50pXjm
16:17 tenplus1        you have href link=
16:17 xerox123        line 16
16:17 tenplus1        for home, dont need the link part
16:17 xerox123        ^
16:17 Mr_Pardison     argghhh
16:18 tenplus1        :PPP
16:18 Mr_Pardison     the tiniest things can really mess up a project.
16:19 Mr_Pardison     thanks.
16:19 Mr_Pardison     fixed the error and works properly.
16:19 tenplus1        https://github.com/stujones11/minetest-3d_armor/pull/138
16:27 rdococ          I wonder if there's a fork of Lua with zero-indexing
16:27 rdococ          Actually, considering its flexibility you could probably convert it to zero-indexing entirely within Lua itself
16:27 tenplus1        starting each table from [0] ????
16:27 rdococ          Only the library functions operating on tables as if they were arrays, and the table constructor syntax, assume an "array" begins at 1
16:29 rubenwardy      you'd need to rewrite much of the standard library
16:30 rdococ          Not sure how much of it is written in C/C++
16:33 rdococ          I'm messing with debug.setmetatable to add things like safe indexing (nil[...] = nil, rather than throwing an error), string indexing (("yay")[2] == "a", ("yaaay")(2, 4) == "aaa") and function composition ((f * g)(x) == g(f(x)))
16:44 tenplus1        o/
16:46 rdococ          The tenplus1 has yayed
16:46 tenplus1        wb Jordach
16:46 Mr_Pardison     the Jordach has re-appeared.
16:46 tenplus1        will yay even louder if pova changes get into 3d_armor mod
16:55 paramat         todays discipline :) .. rdococ a little too much offtopic today, see http://hub.minetest.net/info
17:03 tenplus1        deviantart.com has many free to use icon packs
17:08 Fixer           paramat: have you seen those features? https://i.imgur.com/1Uy9bS9.png
17:09 tenplus1        o.O
17:10 Mr_Pardison     O.o
17:10 Mr_Pardison     how does one get that great of an FPS and that low of an RTT?
17:11 rdococ          I can consistently get to 60 FPS on servers with few to no meshes
17:12 Fixer           it is singleplayer
17:12 Mr_Pardison     ah.
17:12 rdococ          I think I have an FPS cap of 60 anyway
17:12 rdococ          Not sure how fast the refresh rate is on this monitor
17:13 rdococ          "1366x768      60.07*+  40.05"
17:14 paramat         Fixer, weird
17:14 rdococ          Hm, looks like I can choose between a refresh rate of ~60 and ~40
17:14 rdococ          60 it is then
17:15 paramat         i haven't seen this happen, only groups of trees occasionally chopped off at a certain y value
17:15 Fixer           try reproducing it
17:15 Fixer           there is seed  avail
17:16 Fixer           it is v7 iirc
17:16 paramat         yes it is
17:16 Fixer           that happened pretty recently
17:16 paramat         will try to reproduce
17:26 paramat         ok tried 3 times no bug
17:27 paramat         in a very recent master
17:27 paramat         ghost lumberjack
17:33 Fixer           rubenwardy: https://pastebin.com/raw/mS3P0Y98 when pressed left arrow in content browser
17:37 Fixer           paramat: yes, I can't reproduce it too
17:40 Fixer           paramat: maybe it was fixed
17:40 CWz             freeminer has only one server left. sad
17:40 Fixer           lel, crash on exit
17:40 Fixer           freeminer is officially dead
17:42 tenplus1        aww, what happened ?
17:43 paramat         Fixer crash on exit is an issue, same error message? #7272
17:43 ShadowBot       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7272 -- Occasional crash on shutdown / other reported crashes
17:43 Mr_Pardison     g2g now; l8r peeps!
17:44 Fixer           paramat: will compile debug one and see if I catch it again
17:44 paramat         unfortunately it seems a rare crash
17:46 Fixer           btw scaling sucks https://i.imgur.com/V1UwC3o.png
17:47 Fixer           WARNING[Main]: invalid use of background without a size[] element
17:47 Fixer           WARNING[Server]: Trying to update non-existent object: 0
17:47 Fixer           wth are those?
17:47 Krock           Fixer, both are bugs uncovered by PRs
17:48 Fixer           Krock: uncovered or covered? %)
17:48 Krock           i.e. 0.4.x stuff now as features denoted in the logs since 0.5.0-dev
17:48 Krock           uncovered/unhidden/shown
17:48 Krock           they existed already before
17:48 Fixer           okay
17:56 aerozoic        tenplus1, u didn't like the butter churn as a utensil idea?
17:57 tenplus1        lot of work for 1 item to make only butter :D
17:57 tenplus1        milk + salt = easier
17:57 Krock           milk + citron juice = yummy yummy sour milk
17:57 aerozoic        well, i noticed some of the utensils in farming don't even have a use. That's why i was asking about the future of farming :)
17:58 aerozoic        like the cooking pot
17:58 rdococ          My plan was you would get hydrochloric acid from smelting salt in a furnace
17:58 tenplus1        I got the idea from pams harvestcraft, she has MANY recipes using the basic food items and utensils to make all sorts of yummy things :) but that's for another mod
17:59 rdococ          but when I looked on Wikipedia it turns out that not many ores require processing with things such as acids
18:00 aerozoic        Makes sence i guess, butter churn could only ever be used for one thing.
18:01 tenplus1        farming redo provides the base items so that mods can supply all of the noms and goodies :P
18:03 Fixer           paramat: i have a backtrace
18:06 paramat         is it the same error though as 7272?
18:08 Fixer           paramat: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7272#issuecomment-386897544
18:11 tenplus1        o/ sniper
18:11 paramat         thanks, might be different, seems you didn't get 'free(): invalid next size (fast):'
18:57 xerox123_       Did some work on the garden
19:43 rdococ          tenplus1: Burgers would combine ingredients and store the ingredients used to make them in their metadata, and their nutritional value would be calculated as the sum of that of their ingredients, plus a bit more
19:44 tenplus1        already do that on xanadu :D
19:44 rdococ          So you lose the ability to control your healing to only heal a little (if you had 9/10 hearts you wouldn't want to waste a burger, you'd want to eat an apple), but overall get more out of it
19:52 IhrFussel       !server IFS
19:52 MinetestBot     IhrFussel: [2018] IFS (IhrFussel's Server) | 94.16.121.151:25000 | Clients: 26/45, 15/31 | Version: 0.4.17-dev / minetest | Ping: 13ms
19:52 IhrFussel       Forgot command doesn't show lag
19:54 IhrFussel       Could someone add it?
20:02 Fixer           Shara: are you familiar with debugging, gdb, etc?
20:03 Shara           Depends what kind. Remember I mostly use Windows which makes everything about 1000000000000 times more annoying and complicated.
20:03 rdococ          Why would you mostly use Windows then?
20:03 Shara           Work.
20:03 rdococ          Why not use Linux when you're not doing work then?
20:03 rdococ          Or do you?
20:04 Shara           Because I don't.
20:04 Shara           I shouldn't actually need to explain my choice of OS.
20:04 rdococ          Circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works, and I only asked you why because you acknowledged that using Windows makes everything about 1000000000000 times more annoying and complicated.
20:05 Shara           everything for MT yes
20:05 rdococ          I'm simply asking you why you don't save yourself the trouble and use Linux for everything MT related (and probably everything but work related), especially seeing as you find it annoying to use Windows for MT related stuff anyway.
20:05 Shara           Because that is in itself annoying
20:06 rdococ          ?
20:06 Shara           Sorry Fixer, I'd have liked to help with whatever it is, but I'm going back to more productive things, because rdococ is even more annoying than Windows.
20:06 rdococ          Then again, Windows would probably try to prevent you from dualbooting with Linux in any way possible, especially if you use W10.
20:07 rdococ          That's pretty harsh.
20:07 rdococ          I'd have accepted you comparing me to the second-most annoying thing in the world, whatever that is, but Windows?
20:08 Shara           Windows is the second most now
20:08 Shara           :)
20:09 Shara           Sorry, but I really am tired of feeling like I need to explain this. Pretty much every single thing I do that is not MT is much more convenient with my current setup.
20:09 Shara           I have used Linux multiple times as well, and never yet had a good experience runnign it for anything other than a server.
20:11 Shara           If I had space to keep another computer here, I would. But I don't.
20:16 Fixer           Shara: have you used gdb?
20:18 Shara           I seem to recall looking at it once, way back
20:21 tenplus1        works but runs minetest oh so slowly when in use
20:21 xerox123        what's gdb?
20:21 tenplus1        debugger for c++ proggys
20:22 xerox123        o
20:22 Shara           Fixer: I assume you are curious about the crash on close bug?
20:22 Fixer           Shara: yes
20:22 Shara           It's ridiculously common on the most recent MT I have
20:22 Fixer           Shara: with gdb you can take a backtrace when it crashes
20:23 Fixer           i already have a debug build you can download
20:23 Shara           Well, it seems extremely likely it's the same issue, since it's consistent with what others have reported
20:24 tenplus1        nite all :) I sleep
20:24 tenplus1        o/
20:24 Shara           If you have everything I need and can get it to me, and it won't require me to think much at all, then I don't mind check
20:24 Shara           checking*
20:25 Shara           But I'm mostly focused on studies, so it really can't require much thinking
20:25 Fixer           Shara: are you on linux?
20:25 Fixer           or windows?
20:25 Shara           Windows
20:26 Fixer           Shara: do you have gdb installed? %)
20:26 Shara           Doesn't look like
20:27 Fixer           Shara: it will be pain in the ass then
20:27 Fixer           Shara: i can hope you have same crash
20:27 Shara           That's what I figured
20:27 Shara           This crash has only started recently
20:41 rubenwardy      Shara, Fixer: Visual studio is a better bet than GDB on Windows
20:41 Shara           I do have VS set up... but if compiling MT is needed... just no.
20:42 Shara           Not unless someone is willing to spend time with me actually helping me get things set up so that it's not a thing that takes hours to do.
20:44 red-001         compiling minetest under VS is fun
20:44 Shara           That's one word for it
20:44 red-001         Shara, didn't someone like make a script or something to set it up?
20:45 Shara           I did it for.. I think it was 0.4.14 and 0.4.15.. then gave up
20:45 Shara           well, gitlab can be used to just get a client
20:45 Shara           But not sure of any good way to change code and turn that into a client on Windows.
20:48 Fixer           MSVS is insane in size
20:48 Fixer           I'm using msys2, it has compilers and gdb
20:48 Shara           Size isn't too big a worry for me at least
20:56 Calinou         MSVC 2017 is not that large
20:56 Calinou         especially if you install just the C++ tools
20:56 Calinou         (5 GB installed?)
20:57 Calinou         https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/
20:57 Calinou         Ctrl+F "build tools"
21:08 Fixer           msys2 is like 500-1000mb installed