Time Nick Message 08:16 IcyDiamond Hi 08:26 rdococ the Diamond is very Icy 08:28 IcyDiamond :P 08:34 rdococ did you see tenplus1's mod https://github.com/tenplus1/pova ? 08:35 rdococ and https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19991 as wellyays™ 08:35 rdococ Hi tenplus1 08:35 tenplus1 hi folks, hey rdococ 08:35 tenplus1 rdococ: https://github.com/tenplus1/pova 08:35 rdococ tenplus1: Yay 08:36 rdococ Life pro-tip: Log in to the forums before trying to edit a post™ 08:36 tenplus1 ehehe, I like the physicsh mod :) 08:37 rdococ It is yay 08:37 rdococ And so is pova™ 08:37 tenplus1 lolz... TM 08:37 tenplus1 can only hope that one of them get into default... we need 'dis as a standard 08:38 rdococ It has become a meme to suffix sentences with TM™ 08:38 tenplus1 ohh, didn't know that one™ 08:38 rdococ Well, I made it up with luk3yx™ 08:38 tenplus1 heh 08:38 IcyDiamond Hey 10+1! 08:38 tenplus1 hi IcyDiamond 08:38 rdococ Yay, my friend 9+2 08:39 rdococ IcyDiamond calculated the factorial of 1 and added it to 10™ 08:39 rdococ The factorial of yay is yay squared, oddly enough 08:40 tenplus1 been testing daily build of Xubuntu 18.04... it feels smoother somehow :) I like 08:40 rdococ Ooh, you added a pova_loop setting 08:41 tenplus1 yeah, the loop is there as a dumb backup just incase :) but easily disabled for pova.do_override() 08:42 rdococ I wanted to modify set_player_physics at some point so that attempts to override it would result in setting a multiplication modifier instead 08:43 tenplus1 you have a set function for multiplying and dividing player settings, I'm kinda sticking to the pova.set_override_defaults for mod to handle this :D then apply override list on top 08:44 rdococ Looks like you have a separate do_override function that updates the player physics so that it doesn't get set on every call to add_override/del_override if a mod decides to modify multiple modifiers in a row 08:45 tenplus1 the axe uses the do_override to instantly apply changes for testing, right click to instantly remove also :D 08:45 rdococ Which is yay™ 08:45 tenplus1 so things like sprinting will be instant instead of waiting on loop :) 08:45 tenplus1 no lag 08:46 tenplus1 walking on ice to increase player speed could use loop, or snow to slow them down (playerplus) 08:46 rdococ Although what would happen if I were to put on 2x speed boots and then x0 gravity pants? 08:47 tenplus1 speed would do up and gravity would drop :P 08:47 rdococ The speed boots would set my default override to {speed = 2, jump = 1, gravity = 1}, then the 0x gravity pants would set it to {speed = 1, jump = 1, gravity = 0} 08:48 tenplus1 with pova it's 2 different effects, pova.add_override("rdoc", "boots", {speed = 1}) and pova.add_override("rdoc", "pants", {gravity = -1}) 08:48 tenplus1 resulting in speed 2 gravity 0 08:49 rdococ Ah, but that would be for +1 speed boots and -1 gravity pants 08:49 rdococ If I work out to achieve x1.5 speed and then put on x2 speed boots, I would logically run at a speed of 3 08:49 tenplus1 each item applies it's opwn effect, and can lookup default overrides to +/- the exact numbers 08:50 tenplus1 but the pova.set_override_defaults() is only really used for things like space realms where gravity is low, or speed run levels where you can boost walking speed to 10 or something for racing (mario kart style) 08:51 rdococ True 08:53 * rdococ activates his jetpack 08:53 tenplus1 so 3d_armor would calculate armor changes and add a pova.add_override("rdoc", "armor", armor_defs) 08:53 tenplus1 and potions mod could add/remove from that :D 08:53 tenplus1 all the while base levels depend on where the player is (earth, space etc) 08:54 tenplus1 is all good for both mnods 08:54 * rdococ drinks a potion that doubles all modifiers™ 08:54 rdococ ^ Actually, a potion like that isn't possible with my system yet 08:54 rdococ At least not easily 08:55 tenplus1 mods shouldnt really multiply/divide effects, potions should add/subtract from instead, otehrwise some clown will be wearing rainbow boots with a speed of 10 and a double potion boost shoots him out of the server and into someone elses 08:55 Amaz xD 08:55 Amaz That would actually be quite a good feature, tbh :P 08:56 tenplus1 maybe we could cap effects also 08:56 tenplus1 heh, stand on teleport pad *whoosh* in redcat server 09:06 rdococ It'd be fun to have a potion mod based on magical fungi 09:06 tenplus1 +100, we need some sort of potion stand to use bottles and make all sorts of weird stuff 09:07 rdococ You would have to gather different types of mushroom and prepare them in different ways to create them 09:07 tenplus1 with a few explosive mixes on the list :DD 09:07 rdococ Your hints as to how to create certain potions would be in the effects that the mushrooms themselves give you when eaten 09:07 tenplus1 mwhehehe... 09:08 rdococ Then throw some unintuitive mushrooms in that are poisonous but only when eaten alone, and can be used in very good potion recipes 09:08 tenplus1 yeah, mixed with other items they can give some nice effects, or even shrink player to half their size :P 09:09 tenplus1 so you can do alice in wonderland puzzles and go through 1x1 gaps :D 09:09 rdococ That red fungus that kills you instantly if you so much as eat a single one? It would be used in a super mega yay potion 09:09 tenplus1 craft a "meet god really quickly" potion with that one :D 09:09 rdococ Lol 09:09 tenplus1 brb, booting into xubuntu flashd rive :PPP 09:10 rdococ To brew a weightlessness potion you would mix the green fungus that makes you explode if you eat it with the blue fungus that is a laxative™ 09:11 rdococ The idea is that the green fungus in the potion would produce a lot of gas inside you, but at the same time you would fart it out fast enough so that it's not a problem 09:11 rdococ That effect would be an addition modifier as it can overpower say, Earth gravity but not Venus gravity 09:11 Amaz roflol 09:12 rdococ Actually, Venus is smaller than Earth 09:12 rdococ But you get the gist 09:12 Amaz Yup 09:12 rdococ On Venus, IIRC, it's mostly the atmospheric pressure that would keep you down 09:13 rdococ Atmospheric pressure can keep you down but it can also help you to fly, and birds use it 09:13 Amaz You'd also need a special spacesuit to allow the gas to escape... 09:13 Amaz :P 09:13 rdococ Lol 09:13 rdococ And this potion mod could support both physicsh and pova 09:14 TenPlus1 back 09:14 rdococ Woah, TenPlus1 disappeared for a bit™ 09:16 TenPlus1 wow, I like the new Xubuntu desktop 09:16 rdococ Must be an invisible potion™ 09:16 TenPlus1 ehehe 09:16 rdococ Which you get if you mix the tail of a chameleon into a base potion 09:16 TenPlus1 hi fixer 09:17 TenPlus1 nssm has many weird and wonderful items that could be used in potions :D 09:18 Shara pity the models are so big :P 09:18 Shara hi all :) 09:18 rdococ Not So Simple Mobs? Yay 09:18 TenPlus1 hi shara 09:18 Amaz Morning Shara 09:18 TenPlus1 hey Amazx 09:19 rdococ Amazing 09:19 TenPlus1 *Amaz :P 09:19 Amaz Hi ten :P And thanks rdococ xD 09:20 rdococ TenPlus1: Also, if you mix the green mushroom that makes you explode with the blue mushroom that makes you fart, you will be able to propel yourself into the air provided you're not on a planet with too much gravity™ 09:21 TenPlus1 "To infinity, and beyond..."™ 09:23 rdococ To infinityay™ 09:26 TenPlus1 looks like noveau has had some work done :) video playback smooth 09:32 rdococ I wish I had better video drivers, the amount of lag I get in just singleplayer, render distance 20, shaders enabled but none of the ones in settings specifically enabled, is dumb 09:32 rdococ Also, mapblock loading is so slow 09:33 TenPlus1 erk, what gfx you using, Intel ? 09:36 rdococ AMD 09:36 rdococ Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.2 • CPU: AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics (1000MHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.2 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) Swap: 3.4 GiB Total (3.3 GiB Free) • Storage: 61.6 GB / 963.1 GB (901.5 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R3 Graphics] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Ardent Technologies Inc • Uptime: 4d 14h 29m 3s 09:36 TenPlus1 what kernel you using ? 09:36 TenPlus1 latest ubuntu has the newer amd drivers that give better performance 09:36 rdococ Linux 4.9.0-4-amd64 09:37 rdococ RAM is 3.3 GiB 09:37 TenPlus1 get latest daily build for xubuntu 18.04 and boot from flash, test out minetest and see what you get from that 09:37 rdococ I have a 1 GB flash drive here, will that work? 09:38 rdococ if I'm switching to another Linux distro I'll probably pick Mint 09:38 TenPlus1 you may need 4gb 09:38 rdococ hm, I only have this 1 GB one on hand 09:38 TenPlus1 so long as you use the new 4.15 kernel you shoudl have all the latest drivers 09:38 rdococ I should really update my kernel version then 09:39 TenPlus1 that and mesa stuffs :P 09:39 TenPlus1 noveau is working a lto faster for me on new kernel, playing hd video okie 09:40 rdococ I looked online and typed in "apt-cache search linux-image", but it looks like the latest linux-image from that search is 4.9.0 09:41 TenPlus1 aww, we all need a 4gb flash drive 09:41 rdococ Should I try compiling the kernel myself? 09:42 TenPlus1 you can try :) 09:43 rdococ My computer has 1 TB of storage 09:43 rdococ I'm not sure how modern that is but it still feels futuristic 09:43 TenPlus1 ehehehe, I have 120gb ssd 09:43 rdococ Although I'm pretty sure it's still an HDD, so not that modern 09:43 rdococ next computer I get will definitely have an SSD 09:44 TenPlus1 ebuyer.com did desktop pc's for 99 gbp at one point, good speed 09:44 rdococ I will also install Linux Mint on it, but I'm worried about any pre-installed malware masquerading as an OS getting in my way 09:45 TenPlus1 mint doesnt have malware :P 09:45 rdococ No, pre-installed Windows malware :P 09:45 TenPlus1 just make sure you get images from reputable source (distrowatch.org) 09:45 rdococ As in, many computers that you buy come pre-installed with malware called Windows 10 09:46 TenPlus1 heh yeah... w10 really sucks... 09:46 rdococ maybe I should "sudo apt-get upgrade"? 09:47 rdococ I've already done apt-get update 09:48 TenPlus1 try: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 09:49 rdococ I did see that too 09:49 rdococ Will that take a long time? 09:50 TenPlus1 nah, it just installs new things like kernels and updates to system stuff... 09:50 TenPlus1 you dont even have to reboot when it's done :) 09:50 TenPlus1 not until you're ready 09:50 rdococ eh, I'll try it 09:51 TenPlus1 it'll warn you what it'll install anyhow and how big it is :D 09:51 rdococ my HDD has 1 TB of space, I think it'll be fine 09:51 rdococ lol 09:52 TenPlus1 ehehehe 09:53 rdococ My HDD eats gigabytes for breakfast 09:53 rdococ I keep telling it to stop, gigabytes are very unhealthy and have a lot of sugar 09:56 TenPlus1 lol... 09:56 TenPlus1 I saw Samsung's new 30TB SSD Drive... wouldnt even wanna guess how much that costs 09:58 rdococ 99%™ 09:59 rdococ It costs £yay 09:59 rdococ Reading changelogs™ 10:01 rdococ It's unpacking stuff now 10:01 rdococ Hehe, unpacking packages 10:02 TenPlus1 hope you get all new stuffs that help your fps 10:02 rdococ I hope so too 10:05 rdococ Still unpacking stuff 10:06 rdococ and it's unpacking another 4.9.0 kernel version, although this time it appears to be 4.9.0-6 10:07 rdococ Uh oh, missing firmware? 10:08 rdococ W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 10:09 TenPlus1 ah ignore that 10:09 rdococ Apparently there's a fix for it 10:09 TenPlus1 just a driver that's looking for a blob file to work 100% 10:09 rdococ ah 10:09 rdococ That message did appear multiple times with different rtl####-#.fw files 10:09 TenPlus1 http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.16/ 10:10 rdococ Since I've closed everything but HexChat and the terminal I can restart as soon as it's finished 10:10 rdococ If it finishes :P 10:10 rdococ I don't know why I'm being so impatient, it's only been a few minutes 10:10 rdococ It's looking for missing firmware again... is it stuck on a loop or something? 10:11 rdococ Nevermind, it just finished 10:11 TenPlus1 :P 10:11 rdococ I'll restart, and then see what I can do to see if I can get a later kernel version 10:12 TenPlus1 good luck 10:12 Amaz Would an ubuntu kernel work with Debain though? 10:12 TenPlus1 ubuntu IS debian :) they should be cross compatible 10:12 TenPlus1 if not it wont install 10:14 Amaz But don't some Ubuntu ppas have problems on debian, due to different versions of software, or slight incompatabilites? 10:14 rdococ Went without a hitch 10:14 rdococ I now have a very slightly later version of the kernel, yay 10:14 Amaz :) 10:15 TenPlus1 this isnt a ppa amaz, you download the kernel .debs and isntall in order :P 10:15 TenPlus1 ehehe 10:15 TenPlus1 rdococ: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.16/ 10:16 rdococ TenPlus1: Yay for yays 10:16 Amaz Ah, okay, I was confused by the address :) 10:16 TenPlus1 latest stable 4.16 kernel for debian/ubuntu/mint 10:17 rdococ TenPlus1: Should I install that second list of packages (I'm assuming they're the successful amd64 builds) in order I'm assuming? 10:17 rdococ Or just one -headers file and one -image file? 10:17 TenPlus1 gotta get all the .debs for the same architecture... so yeah, all amd64 10:17 rdococ Ah, so all 5 of them 10:18 rdococ I don't have much experience installing from .deb files tbh 10:18 TenPlus1 yup, stick in folder and do: sudo dpkg -i *.deb 10:19 rdococ Weird 10:19 rdococ MATE panels disappeared and then reappeared again 10:20 rdococ That keeps happening on occasion 10:20 TenPlus1 panel restarted (prolly udated something) 10:20 TenPlus1 or crashed 10:20 rdococ Ah. 10:20 rdococ Makes sense. 10:21 TenPlus1 mate is good but still has a few issues to fix that causes panel to crash 10:21 TenPlus1 that's why I always recommend Xfce :) stable 10:22 rdococ Next computer I'm getting, I will install Mint distro 10:22 rdococ not sure what DE though 10:22 TenPlus1 how much memory you got ? 10:22 rdococ 3.3 GiB 10:23 rdococ uh oh 10:23 rdococ Errors were encountered while processing: 10:23 rdococ linux-headers-4.16.0-041600-generic 10:23 rdococ linux-headers-4.16.0-041600-lowlatency 10:24 rdococ Looks like those files depend on libssl1.0.0 10:24 rdococ Unfortunately, that package is unavailable. Yay. 10:24 TenPlus1 only use generic, not lowlatency 10:25 rdococ gotta get all the .debs for the same architecture... so yeah, all amd64 10:25 rdococ I'm confused 10:25 TenPlus1 all amd generic :P 10:25 TenPlus1 low latency is a different set 10:25 rdococ Oh, what do I do with lowlatency then? 10:25 rdococ I already ended up installing linux-image -lowlatency... 10:25 rdococ do I uninstall it? how would I do that? 10:25 TenPlus1 yeah uninstall 10:26 TenPlus1 > sudo apt-get remove linux-headers-4.16* 10:26 rdococ What about linux-image-4.16...-lowlatency? 10:26 TenPlus1 same for that 10:26 TenPlus1 > sudo apt-get remove linux-image-4.16* 10:27 rdococ It can't seem to locate any of them 10:27 rdococ E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-4.16.0-041600-generic_4.16.0-041600.201804012230_amd64.deb' 10:28 rdococ what, I don't think 4.16.0-041600 should be repeated 10:29 rdococ Also, the generic header also requires libssl1.0.0 10:29 TenPlus1 you got synaptic package manager installed ? would prolly be easier 10:30 rdococ yes 10:30 TenPlus1 use that :D 10:30 rdococ should I just remove the 4.16.0 headers there? 10:31 TenPlus1 yeah, would be easier than terminal :P 10:31 rdococ mark for removal or for complete removal? 10:31 TenPlus1 complete 10:32 rdococ should I do the same for the other 3 files? 10:32 TenPlus1 exactly :) yeah 10:33 rdococ No other headers or image packages appear to be installed, is that okay? 10:33 TenPlus1 that's good... should just be the 4.9 you had earlier 10:34 rdococ if I do want to get 4.16 how would I do that? I need libssl1.0.0 but I can't find it 10:34 rdococ hehe, Minetest 0.4.16, Linux kernel 4.16.0 10:34 TenPlus1 you may need later versino of debian 10:35 rdococ I have debian 9 10:35 rdococ 9.2 10:37 rdococ would libssl1.0.2 work? 10:38 rdococ Nevermind, I already have that. 10:39 rdococ I don't understand, kernel version 4.16.0 wants libssl1.0.0 (>= that but before 2.0.0, I'm assuming) but doesn't notice 1.0.2? 10:41 TenPlus1 weird indeed 10:41 rdococ I checked, it supports libssl >= 1.0.0 10:41 rdococ Why doesn't it like my libssl1.0.2? 10:42 TenPlus1 might be a strange dependency 10:42 rdococ Apparently some people solved it by manually editing the kernel .deb files and replacing libssl1.0.0 with libssl1.0.2 10:42 rdococ Should I try that? 10:43 TenPlus1 if you feel comfortable doing so, yeah :) 10:43 * TenPlus1 doesnt wanna break your system 10:43 rdococ I don't think it'll break anything 10:43 rdococ ^ famous last words™ 10:44 TenPlus1 wb icy 10:44 rdococ Looks like I can't edit the control file without extracting and recompressing 10:45 rdococ I'm not sure I have the ability to compress a folder as .deb 10:47 rdococ Hm, caja lets me compress as .exe but not .deb? 10:47 IcyDiamond TenPlus1: hey 10:48 IcyDiamond I was trying to set up ipv6 on my vps 10:48 rdococ Can dpkg compress files? 10:48 IcyDiamond I brought eth0 down for a while because I don't know what I'm doing :P 10:48 TenPlus1 lol 10:49 IcyDiamond but i /think/ i have ipv6 now? maybe? 10:49 IcyDiamond IcyDiamond (~icy@2001:41d0:302:2100::7f23) has joined #minetest-hub 10:49 IcyDiamond oh yeah there it is 10:49 IcyDiamond ayy 10:52 Fixer that feel when ipv6 adoption is near 0% and you are stuck with shitNAT 10:53 rdococ TenPlus1: I have three .deb files now. headers _all, headers -generic and image -generic. Is that good to go? 10:53 IcyDiamond I don't have ipv6 at home either 10:53 rdococ I modified the headers generic file to require libssl1.0.2 rather than 1.0.0 10:53 TenPlus1 give it a bash, if all isntalls ok and you can reboot into latest kernel :) failing that holding SHIFT lets you boot back into old 10:54 rdococ k 10:54 * TenPlus1 makes lunch :PPPP 10:54 sfan5 Fixer: you can always use a tunnel broker 10:54 sfan5 if you care enough 10:54 Fixer sfan5: even if behind CGNAT-crap? 10:55 sfan5 I don't see why not 10:55 IcyDiamond Fixer: I'm also suffering from the CGNAT 10:55 IcyDiamond :( 10:55 rdococ Huh, worked without an error 10:55 IcyDiamond but I have a vps thankfully 10:55 rdococ other than the "looking for module" messages, which is fine 10:55 Fixer sfan5: will I be able to open ports to outside world via this thing? 10:55 sfan5 yes 10:56 rdococ Gonna restart 10:56 sfan5 (obviously only over IPv6) 10:57 TenPlus1 good luck 10:57 Fixer sfan5: so if I'm mazo-enough, I can host minetest server on my machine via this tunnel + dyndns thing? 10:57 sfan5 indeed 10:58 Fixer and it will be visible in server list? 10:58 sfan5 your player base will just be significantly reduced because no ipv4 10:58 Fixer if announced? 10:58 sfan5 yes 10:58 TenPlus1 what improvements does ipv6 have over ipv4 ? 10:58 Fixer sfan5: ooooooops 10:59 Fixer that is no go 10:59 sfan5 some VPNs also allow port forwards, so that'd work too 11:00 rdococ_ Hm, seems to be stuck on /dev/sda2 clean 11:01 rdococ_ Also, before that, it said "no irq handler for vector" 3 times 11:01 rdococ_ TenPlus1: what to do? 11:01 TenPlus1 hrm, seems you may need other things updated to run 4.16 properly... 11:02 TenPlus1 best rmove it for now and stick with 4.9 that works 11:02 TenPlus1 and when you get a flash drive you can test xubu 18.04 with newer kernel included 11:02 rdococ_ Id restart and hold shift to boot into the old kernel but idk how to do that safely 11:03 rdococ_ Should I hold the power button? 11:03 TenPlus1 shift brings up boot menu, go into advanced settings which lets you chooseo ld kernel to boot into 11:03 TenPlus1 alt gr + prn scrn + O to shutdown properly 11:05 rdococ_ Turns out that the boot menu always appears for me regardless of if I hold shift 11:05 TenPlus1 :) 11:05 rdococ_ I should really change distro though 11:05 TenPlus1 wouldnt hurt to try some new ones out 11:06 rdococ_ True, unless I do something dumb 11:06 TenPlus1 I settled on lubuntu/xubuntu cause it's easy to update to latest 11:07 TenPlus1 hi raven 11:07 Raven262 Hi ten 11:07 IcyDiamond Yay now my web server listens on ipv6 as well 11:07 IcyDiamond ay 11:07 * TenPlus1 whispers in ipv8 11:07 rdococ Yay, 4.9.0 still works 11:08 IcyDiamond Yay. 11:08 rdococ Ew, are you still using that infernal ipv8? I use ipv12 11:08 IcyDiamond :D 11:08 rdococ I have Minetest 0.9.0, which is so cool because it adds voxel area entities! 11:09 TenPlus1 :PP 11:09 rdococ Meaning I can have mesecons aboard my moving ship! Yay! 11:09 TenPlus1 ooh 11:09 IcyDiamond Pfft, I have minetest 1.2.7, and I enjoy exploring the procedurally infinte universe! 11:10 rdococ what? procedurally infinite universe? 11:10 rdococ 31000 blocks in each direction is enough for me 11:10 IcyDiamond xD 11:11 rdococ And unlike in YouKnowWhat, gameplay is stable at every point in that world 11:11 rdococ I can be playing at x=30000 and not realize it until I actually see the border 11:11 IcyDiamond ah yes, the dreaded YouKnowWhat 11:12 rdococ Which doesn't even have meshnode, nevermind VAEs 11:16 rdococ > Minetest Engine: Incorrect name for “Minetest” 11:16 rdococ Lol, I proposed "Minetest Engine" as a new nickname for the engine 11:16 rdococ At least until we find a good name that everyone can agree on 11:17 TenPlus1 how about "Bob" ? 11:19 rdococ "My Little Node: Active Block Modifiers are Magic" 11:19 TenPlus1 ahahaha 11:20 rdococ Wow, Minetest 0.13.0 still doesn't have metadata-defined node and item properties other than a few such as description 11:21 rdococ Minetest 0.16.0 was a complete rewrite in C++++, though, and it added tons of features 11:22 TenPlus1 yeah, we got over 50 new textures :P 11:22 rdococ VoxelEngine 1.0.0 is when a new name was chosen for the engine for the 1.0.0 release 11:23 rdococ It came after Minetest Engine 0.23.0 11:23 TenPlus1 :P 11:24 rdococ I have nostalgia though for the good ol' 0.5.13 days 11:24 IcyDiamond 14:19 <+rdococ> "My Little Node: Active Block Modifiers are Magic" 11:24 IcyDiamond hahahaha 11:24 IcyDiamond brilliant 11:27 rdococ I'm looking at c55's roadmap in the forums 11:27 TenPlus1 it's a walking journey along that roadmap :P 11:27 rdococ I wonder if you could modify meshnode to update a meshnode object according to a cubic chunk up in the sky somewhere 11:28 TenPlus1 hardware particles for weather that doesnt lag would be a bonus :D 11:28 rdococ That would be cool too 11:29 rdococ The idea is that ABMs would act on the chunk in the sky (if you keep it loaded anyway) which would update the meshnode object 11:30 rdococ Similar to c55's idea for implementation of VAEs (I think) 11:32 rdococ TenPlus1: ^ I'm working on an idea for implementing proper VAEs in a lua mod, what do you think? 11:32 rdococ Keep a mapblock somewhere in the sky loaded, and render it as a meshnode object when an update occurs there 11:32 TenPlus1 gimmie a usage for it 11:33 rdococ VAEs are in https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9177 11:33 rdococ (c55's roadmap) 11:33 IcyDiamond !title 11:33 MinetestBot IcyDiamond: celeron55's roadmap - Minetest Forums 11:33 rdococ Now I don't think anything would beat implementing VAEs directly in C++, but do you think it's viable to have a "VAE lite!" that's closer to true VAEs than meshnodes? 11:34 TenPlus1 give it a bash and see what test cases come up for it... 11:34 rdococ Bash as in tell others the idea or as in try to implement it? 11:35 TenPlus1 implement it, do a test mod with some uses :) 11:35 rdococ I'll need to take a look at how meshnode mod renders nodes, then 11:36 TenPlus1 although scrolling through a table of nodes and calling their respective functions and abm's are gonna be sloooo 11:36 TenPlus1 w 11:36 rdococ Apparently meshnode:mesh uses a wielditem visual? 11:37 IcyDiamond tree fiddy 11:37 rdococ TenPlus1: No, I'd store what the nodes in the mesh are somewhere up in the sky at y=30000, so the C++ ABM system takes care of it and I won't actually need to do that 11:37 TenPlus1 goddamn loch ness monster 11:37 IcyDiamond xD 11:37 TenPlus1 oh, a better soluidion so long as map block is always active 11:37 rdococ Yes 11:38 rdococ And there are functions to keep mapblocks loaded, I believe 11:38 rdococ The only problem that would really cause lag is detecting changes in that mapblock and rendering them to the meshnode 11:38 TenPlus1 yeh, keeps map block active and abm's running, so as long as there isnt too many it wont lag much 11:39 rdococ I'm not sure how the meshnode mod works 11:40 TenPlus1 scans a block of nodes which it adds as textured entities to a huge entity I thought 11:40 rdococ Not sure, but perhaps 11:40 rdococ Only problem is that it'd have to check for mapblock updates and then render either the changes if possible, or the whole thing again 11:40 TenPlus1 good point, that'll be kinda slow in itself 11:43 rdococ Okay, something weird has happened 11:43 TenPlus1 ? 11:43 rdococ I managed to dig meshnode:scaffold and get it in my inventory 11:43 rdococ I can even place it O_o 11:44 TenPlus1 tablet sized 11:45 Fixer is there end to this oversized insanity? 11:45 rdococ Looks like the entity itself has a 1x1x1 selection box 11:45 rdococ But I can collide with the rest of it 11:46 rdococ Hm, I'm building with meshnode:scaffold 11:52 * TenPlus1 builds the statue of liberty with meshnodes and brings it to life ghostbusters style 11:54 rdococ Meshnode is so weird 11:55 rdococ It'd be nice to have a generic meshnode API 11:55 rdococ so that mods can create complex entity structures 12:00 rdococ Jordach: Hi. I'm trying to figure out how meshnode works 12:02 TenPlus1 hi Jordach 12:04 rdococ I halved the vertical visual property of the meshnode:ctrl entity to see what it does, and now my meshnode creations are squished 12:06 Jordach if you scaled it in object mode, press alt + s 12:06 rdococ no, I modified it in init.lua 12:06 rdococ idk what you mean 12:06 Jordach :thonk: 12:06 rdococ wat 12:16 TenPlus1 hi aerozoic 12:17 aerozoic bonjour TenPlus1 12:21 Fixer just one more year and then you will be happy 12:36 TenPlus1 who was having hassle with noveau before on their mac ? 12:37 Fixer nouveau on their mac? 12:37 rdococ ew, mac 12:37 TenPlus1 yeah, someone was trying to install linux on their mac cause macos high sierra was messed up 12:38 Fixer boycott apple 12:38 TenPlus1 been using current daily for a few hours now from flash drive using noveau and the crash issue seems to be fixed :D 12:42 TenPlus1 also yes, apple sucks to bad 12:43 TenPlus1 and weirdly enough microsoft is starting to use linux for some of their services (outwith windows) 12:45 TenPlus1 hey fussel 12:50 TenPlus1 hi mister 12:50 TenPlus1 hey CWz 12:50 Mr-Pardison hai hooman 12:50 TenPlus1 :P 12:50 CWz Ello 12:50 TenPlus1 o/ 12:51 TenPlus1 hooman has fulfilled work dooty and did 'dis: github.com/tenplus1/pova 12:53 rdococ hooman has yayed 12:53 TenPlus1 lol 12:53 TenPlus1 you forgot TM 12:53 rdococ hooman has yayed™ 12:53 TenPlus1 ehehe 12:53 rdococ Mr-Pardison should take a look at https://github.com/rdococ/physicsh ™ 12:54 TenPlus1 yaaay 12:54 * Mr-Pardison clicks 12:54 * rdococ clocks 12:54 * TenPlus1 ticks 12:54 * rdococ kicks 12:55 TenPlus1 ow! 12:55 * Mr-Pardison dodges 12:55 TenPlus1 o/ my adblock has blocked 552 ads from a single youtube page... seriously ?!?!?! 12:56 Mr-Pardison or is from youtube overall? 12:56 TenPlus1 scarey... 554 now... what is youtube up to 12:57 rdococ Ghostery only seems to detect one tracker... is one tracker adding 554 ads to the page? 12:58 TenPlus1 ghostery is prolly dealing with mobile version of site, am on desktop, maybe google adds a ton of links if it finds desktop version 12:58 rdococ I hope people use pova and/or physicsh™ 12:58 TenPlus1 +100 12:59 TenPlus1 we need a default 13:00 * Amaz will need to use one of them for a subgame he's working on 13:00 aerozoic -_- somebody advertising the wrong website in the comments: https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/feature/game/alternatives-minecraft-3618911/ 13:01 TenPlus1 lol 13:01 aerozoic !title 13:01 MinetestBot aerozoic: Best Alternatives to Minecraft: 11 Free & Paid Games - Tech Advisor 13:02 rdococ minetest.net is the official one, right? 13:02 aerozoic yup 13:02 rdococ what is minetest.com then? does it even exist? 13:03 TenPlus1 w00t! 13:05 aerozoic oh yeah XD 13:05 TenPlus1 I wonder why .com doesnt redirect to .net 13:06 Fixer CommunismCraft 13:06 Mr-Pardison da comrade. 13:06 rdococ I had an idea for a server where the -X side is capitalist and the +X side is communist 13:07 TenPlus1 lol, that would be interesting to play on 13:07 Fixer communist one will have free gulag and some tools 13:08 Mr-Pardison in mother Russia, you do not get sent to Gulag. 13:08 Mr-Pardison Gulag get sent to you. 13:08 TenPlus1 lol 13:10 Mr-Pardison that would be pretty fun to play on actually. 13:10 TenPlus1 o/ raven 13:11 Raven262 o/ 13:11 Mr-Pardison buenos dias. 13:14 IcyDiamond .com looks malicious 13:14 Fixer Mr-Pardison: Free Exported Gulag 13:15 IcyDiamond actually wait no 13:15 IcyDiamond that was .org 13:15 Fixer minetest.com is old one, wtf it is still online? 13:15 IcyDiamond .org is malicious site 13:17 Fixer what is AWOL? 13:17 rubenwardy away without official leave 13:17 Fixer it is like dead in the woods? 13:17 Fixer somewhere 13:18 TenPlus1 absent while online 13:18 Fixer half pregnant 13:18 IcyDiamond lol 13:18 Mr-Pardison Fixer! 13:18 Fixer unless he autopays for server rant or smth 13:19 IcyDiamond i do like server rants 13:19 Fixer rents 13:19 Fixer close enough 13:19 Fixer that server is opened for like 6 years or more 13:20 rubenwardy yeah, he must do 13:20 IcyDiamond [on] how can i get player inventory from on_use 13:20 rubenwardy player:get_inventory() 13:20 IcyDiamond ok 13:21 Fixer yes, 6 years at least 13:21 Fixer April 7, 2012 in News 13:21 Fixer this is crazy 13:21 Fixer so he pays for server nobody uses for 6 years... 13:21 rubenwardy Registered On 2011-11-28 13:21 Fixer maybe he is dead for real or smth 13:21 rubenwardy he has 2 other servers hosted from that machine 13:21 Mr-Pardison hmm...... 13:22 Fixer also, really dead twitter https://twitter.com/minetest_c55 13:22 Fixer rubenwardy: what servers? 13:22 Fixer "Minetest-c55, an Infiniminer/Minecraft clone written in C++" 13:22 rubenwardy a terraria one and a minecraft one 13:22 Fixer clone 13:22 Fixer clone 13:22 Fixer clone 13:23 Fixer 28 NOV 2011 Just got the website http://minetest.com up and running, check it out! 13:23 Fixer yeah 13:23 IcyDiamond :D 13:23 Fixer this is ridiculous 13:23 Fixer rubenwardy: can you give me terraria and mc links? 13:23 TenPlus1 o.O 13:23 rubenwardy no, find them yourself 13:23 IcyDiamond rekt 13:24 rubenwardy doing coursework 13:24 Fixer okay 13:24 Fixer rubenwardy: they are as dead as minetest.com ones? 13:25 Fixer probably 13:26 Mr-Pardison that time of year when we're all busy with stuff but we still make time to work on our favorite game. 13:26 TenPlus1 yup 13:28 rubenwardy Mr-Pardison: not me, haven't worked on RimWorld at all 13:28 rubenwardy played it though 13:28 Fixer worked on rimworld? 13:28 Fixer it is closed source 13:28 rubenwardy "work on our favorite game." 13:28 Mr-Pardison he is right. 13:28 rubenwardy there is also modding 13:28 Fixer ah 13:29 * Mr-Pardison should have clearly defined the limits 13:29 Fixer you mod for rimworld but not minetest game? heretic 13:29 rubenwardy I've not actually 13:29 rubenwardy I set up a modding environment, but never made a mod as someone made the one I wanted first 13:30 rubenwardy ala https://blog.rubenwardy.com/2016/07/20/rimworld-install-monodevelop-with-dot-net-3.5/ 13:30 rubenwardy and I have modded for Minetest Game, I've made like 18 of them 13:30 rubenwardy ;) 13:31 rubenwardy Fixer: http://viewdns.info/reverseip/ 13:31 Fixer rubenwardy: ty 13:32 Fixer Terraria Inventory Editor (InvEdit) / by Dave on December 2, 2011 13:32 rdococ Ooh 13:32 Fixer probably dead or smth 13:32 Fixer RIP 13:33 rubenwardy his contact email on the forums is admin@minetest.com, but the minetest.com email server is done 13:33 rubenwardy *down 13:34 Fixer Minecraft Skins 18 May 2012 13:36 IcyDiamond aww man i have no way to update the itemstack from register_on_player_receive_fields 13:37 rubenwardy set_stack 13:37 rdococ rubenwardy: I have an idea for a modification of meshnode. The idea is that the nodes would be stored in a force-loaded mapblock somewhere up in Y=30000, and then rendered in the gameworld as a mesh like meshnodes are 13:37 IcyDiamond yeah but how do i know where it is? just loop the inventory again? 13:37 rdococ And when the mapblock updates (water flow, mesecons, etc.) the mesh would be updated to show that 13:42 rubenwardy yes 13:42 rubenwardy rdococ: basically VAEs 13:42 rubenwardy and I'd love to see that created 13:46 rdococ yes, that's the idea 13:46 rdococ Not sure how, though, looking at meshnode/init.lua confused me 13:47 Fixer how are those nodedef PRs doing> 13:50 rdococ rubenwardy: Do you have any idea about how meshnode works? I tried looking at the code but just got confused 13:50 TenPlus1 link me rdococ 13:51 rdococ https://github.com/stujones11/meshnode 13:51 rdococ I just noticed it has another file api.lua 13:55 TenPlus1 wow, has many checks for the nodes it uses :P 14:00 TenPlus1 o/ Jordach 14:00 Jordach ...too hot 14:00 TenPlus1 you having a heatwave too ? 14:00 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-19-17:00:45.png 14:01 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/TC95vcE.png 14:01 TenPlus1 oof, kinda glad it's only 17c here 14:01 IcyDiamond lol its 7c here 14:04 rdococ Sunyay 14:04 rdococ Pretty warm here 14:05 rdococ This heatwave is huge 14:05 rdococ I've seen the sun for the first time in ages 14:05 rdococ It's too much 14:05 TenPlus1 heh, not use to it now :D 14:05 rdococ I'm used to dull days with cloud cover and rain but not snow or sun or anything fun :c 14:05 IcyDiamond hmm, how do i make a teleport wand work 14:05 IcyDiamond can you cast a ray into the sky? 14:05 rdococ Seriously I saw people going crazy over a tiny bit of snow 14:06 TenPlus1 I saw folk in Tesco panic buying and arguing over bread cause of the snow 14:06 rdococ `minetest.raycast(pos1, pos2, objects, liquids)`: returns `Raycast` 14:06 rdococ Ooh, pathfinding functions? 14:06 rdococ Yay 14:06 rdococ Pathfinding is yay 14:06 IcyDiamond huh?? 14:06 IcyDiamond there's pathfinding now? 14:06 rdococ I looked in lua_api.txt for 0.5.0-dev, and apparently so 14:07 rdococ `minetest.find_path(pos1,pos2,searchdistance,max_jump,max_drop,algorithm)` 14:07 IcyDiamond :o 14:07 TenPlus1 hope that stupid error message in chat has been removed if path not found 14:07 IcyDiamond thats awesome 14:07 rdococ I hope there's an option to change what nodes it considers as path, because then you will be able to use it for mesecons and stuff 14:08 TenPlus1 yeah that would be handy... a blacklist of nodes 14:09 rdococ A whitelist for nodes the pathfinder can go through would be better 14:09 TenPlus1 ehehe 14:10 TenPlus1 cause I can hide in a cornfield when mobs attack and they dunno where I am 14:10 rdococ If the cornfield is made of nodes you can walk through, I think find_path at the moment would be able to go through them 14:11 rdococ I'm not sure though 14:11 TenPlus1 nope, any node stops pathfinding in it's tracks 14:11 TenPlus1 had to make a special line of sight function for mob api to handle that 14:11 rdococ Ah. that should definitely be changed to a customizable whitelist of nodes/node groups it can go through 14:11 * Mr-Pardison grants mobs noclip 14:11 TenPlus1 +100 14:12 TenPlus1 nuuuu, Evil Bonny is bad aenough without it 14:12 rdococ Yay, I now have several hundred positive reputation™ 14:12 rdococ wait, bonny? 14:12 Mr-Pardison a wabbit. 14:12 Mr-Pardison cute but ferocious thing. 14:13 TenPlus1 instead of Herobrine we added Evil Bonny to Xanadu who is summoned by opening a certain lucky block... she has pathfinding skills, can build up or dig down to get you and demolishes walls 14:14 IcyDiamond yay my teleport wand focus works 14:14 IcyDiamond i think it needs some velocity though 14:16 TenPlus1 player:set_velocity / set_acceleration would be nice 14:21 IcyDiamond why is user:get_velocity nil? 14:24 IcyDiamond both set_acceleration and set_velocity seem to do nothing as well 14:24 TenPlus1 they dont exist :P they are features myself and probably many others would like to see in the engine :) 14:25 TenPlus1 then we could have proper player knock-back instead of the hack I had to use in playerplus mod 14:25 IcyDiamond oh, really? 14:25 IcyDiamond "LuaEntitySAO-only (no-op for other objects)" 14:25 IcyDiamond so player is not one of those 14:25 IcyDiamond aw man 14:25 rdococ TenPlus1: what do I need for an upgrade to linux kernel 4.16.0? 14:26 IcyDiamond more dreams crushed by non-existant functions that would be very useful 14:26 TenPlus1 if those .deb's didn't work earlier rdococ I couldn't say... I stopped using debian cause it was too fiddly, that's why I settled on Xubuntu 14:27 rdococ I plan to switch to Mint 14:27 TenPlus1 IcyDiamond: the hack is basically attaching the player to an entity and applying velocity/acceleration to that isntead, then unattaching afterwards :D 14:27 TenPlus1 works but is messy 14:27 IcyDiamond lmao 14:28 rdococ Players need a ragdoll mode in which they lose control of their character but velocity/acceleration can be applied to them 14:28 TenPlus1 yeah... 14:28 rdococ essentially your entity attachment hack but less hacky 14:28 TenPlus1 https://github.com/tenplus1/playerplus/blob/master/init.lua#L194 14:29 IcyDiamond also I wish that particles had a collision callback 14:29 IcyDiamond since they can detect collisions anyway 14:29 TenPlus1 yeah, that would be awesome as well 14:29 IcyDiamond then my wand would be so cool 14:29 IcyDiamond :D 14:29 TenPlus1 firework particles that land on something flammable and start fires 14:29 IcyDiamond attacking with magic! 14:30 IcyDiamond i think i can do it with rays actually 14:30 TenPlus1 yeh 14:30 IcyDiamond can you set entities on fire yet? 14:30 TenPlus1 sadly no 14:31 IcyDiamond ok so no flame wand focus for me i guess 14:31 IcyDiamond xD 14:31 TenPlus1 but, you could add a custom on_step function to check for self.on_fire and if so throw particles of flame everywhere and do 1 damage per second 14:31 TenPlus1 I may add that to mobs at some point 14:31 IcyDiamond i guess so 14:32 TenPlus1 doesnt have to be mc style flames, but we could use simple particles :P 14:33 TenPlus1 brb, booting into ssd 14:34 rubenwardy 26 degrees! :O 14:34 rubenwardy snow last month 14:34 rubenwardy heat wave this month 14:34 rubenwardy jeeez 14:34 IcyDiamond :D 14:35 tenplus1 :P 14:35 rubenwardy I miss when weather variety consisted of: 1. raining 2. slight drissle 3. chucking it down 4. raining cats and dogs 5. occasional dry spell 14:35 tenplus1 ruben: irl or mt ? 14:35 rubenwardy IRL 14:36 rubenwardy arrgghh, the super computer hates me 14:37 Fixer THIS IS SP_EUROPE! 14:46 tenplus1 Mobs Redo API updated with replace function fix 14:52 * IcyDiamond git pull 14:52 rubenwardy wonder how out of date my copy is 14:53 tenplus1 lol, what was the version date in init ? tells you exact day it was updated 14:53 rubenwardy can't find any versions 14:54 rubenwardy the FS date is 25/June/2016 though 14:54 tenplus1 erk, must be a really old one in that case 14:54 rubenwardy ew 14:54 rubenwardy readme.MD 14:54 rubenwardy disgusting 14:54 rubenwardy :D 14:54 rubenwardy ah, 1.30 14:54 tenplus1 ehehehehe... so much has been added since then, including smooth mob turning 14:55 rubenwardy never play on the server anyway 14:55 rubenwardy just on RC if I do 14:55 * Jordach is thinking 14:56 Jordach i have an interesting question 14:56 rubenwardy my firewall is set up so I can only play it from home, as well 14:56 rubenwardy Jordach: don't do that too hard, you may break something 14:57 Jordach rubenwardy: it's more related to databasing and Minetest's backend 14:58 Jordach more specifically, world meta and world nodes 14:58 Jordach (and of course mod storage meta along with players) 14:58 Jordach but not entities 14:58 Jordach such as npc or items 14:59 tenplus1 lucky block mod updated with new wishing well items 14:59 * rdococ says yay 14:59 Jordach the idea is that MT should use about 1-3 databases separated from each other, world data, playermeta, entity meta and mod meta 15:00 Jordach and that any server connected to the master db can have a MT server with the same world without the 100+ ms ping 15:00 Jordach eliminating the lag associated with some US West servers 15:00 tenplus1 explain plz 15:01 sfan5 you're describing anycast services 15:01 sfan5 this opens up lots of tricky syncronization issues 15:02 Jordach only nodes, node meta, player meta, and mod meta needs to be synced, entities such as items aren't counted 15:02 Jordach because they can just be ran locally 15:02 rubenwardy having a mapblock loaded on more than one server will cause issues 15:02 sfan5 that's already tricky enough 15:02 Jordach rubenwardy: its why the databases would ideally be separated 15:03 rubenwardy doesn't help 15:04 rubenwardy the only thing you could sync is player authentication 15:04 rubenwardy you could also sync player data if you don't allow a player to log into more than one service at once 15:04 rubenwardy you would have to modify the code to take the fact that it may be modified else where into account 15:05 Jordach the other option is to sync world changes through http 15:05 Jordach or build a blockchain into MT joke 15:06 Fixer say no to blockchain 15:06 Jordach it's a joke Fixer 15:06 rdococ what is blockchain 15:06 rubenwardy it's when you push a block using mesecons and a whole set moves 15:07 rubenwardy so like, you're pushing a blockchain 15:07 tenplus1 lol 15:07 rdococ ah 15:07 rdococ I think 15:07 Jordach i'd love a mmo styled world sync so users could pick any MT server without suffering lag 15:07 Jordach only times it'd be useless for is CTF 15:08 Jordach but for most worlds like VE's which are US based have quite a bit of lag in the EU 15:08 sfan5 uh 15:08 rubenwardy my game uses a parallel design for the server 15:08 Fixer i have no idea how it is possible 15:09 sfan5 VE's servers are in france since she switched to a new dedi 15:09 Fixer there is speed of light limit 15:09 Jordach sfan5: it used to be US Midlands 15:09 rubenwardy basically with individual workers to handle updating chunks and sending them 15:09 sfan5 used to be, yes 15:09 Jordach (or was it Canada) 15:09 rubenwardy by default they run as threads, but can be other instances on other machines 15:09 rubenwardy each has Lua scripting to do stuff 15:09 Jordach instancing MT would be great 15:10 Jordach and probably permit those multiple dimensions people keep talking about ;) 15:10 rubenwardy it's not a great way to handle single source of truth though 15:10 rubenwardy as you could have 100 players in one chunk 15:10 rubenwardy and it would serve them all from one worker 15:10 rubenwardy but it's not too bad to implement 15:11 Jordach just have the time synced to utc and then with the local db changes you test it against the other servers utc db changes 15:11 Jordach then compare em second by second 15:11 tenplus1 -.- 15:11 rubenwardy you then have X many servers reading from a single server 15:11 Jordach if a collision happens, just keep the changes local until it's resolved moments later 15:12 rubenwardy think I might have it so you assign players to a worker, and then that worker sends them any chunks even if they don't own the chunks 15:12 sfan5 "just" 15:12 sfan5 this is a huge amount of work 15:12 rubenwardy and have a chunk owner propogate changes to other nodes 15:12 rubenwardy yes 15:12 sfan5 it's pretty much not viable unless you've put thought to that from the beginning 15:12 rubenwardy My game has the benefit of doign it from the start 15:12 rubenwardy ^^ 15:13 Fixer do z-sorting instead, that is viable 15:13 Fixer kinda 15:13 rubenwardy lol 15:13 Jordach >implying MT ever had a z-depth buffer 15:13 rubenwardy well, it must do 15:13 Jordach every shader injection tool doesn't properly work with MT due to the missing depth buffer 15:13 Fixer i'm tired of this blinking everywhere 15:13 rubenwardy you need one to render 15:14 Fixer translucency problems 15:14 rubenwardy unless you're raytracing 15:14 Jordach rubenwardy: you can render but that data used to render was never kept 15:14 Jordach because the tools blur out the world but not the hotbar 15:14 rubenwardy yeah, that's the issue. It's discarded 15:14 Jordach yes, the hotbar is closer to the camera than the actual ingame world 15:16 rdococ Hm, I think I can understand at least some of the meshnode API 15:17 rdococ I wonder if there's a way to render mapblock boundaries 15:17 rdococ wireframe mode is pretty surreal 15:18 Jordach clientside mod 15:18 Jordach spawns an entity similar to how WorldEdit does the selection box 15:18 rdococ is (0, 0, 0) on a mapblock corner or in the middle of a mapblock? 15:18 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-19-18:18:02.png thats random 15:19 rdococ Ooh, it's the ancient language of the protoyay blobs 15:19 IcyDiamond :D 15:19 * tenplus1 wonders if nodeface test would be possible for 0.5x 15:20 Fixer remember when RBA fixed that horrible water blinking? 15:20 Fixer when seen above? 15:20 rdococ You pronounce that as "Yananakakakajatacha" 15:20 Fixer he moved nametags into hud or smth, they somehow messed up water blinking :D 15:20 rdococ It was before the yay blobs simplified their language immensely in the Yay Yay of Yay 15:22 tenplus1 still funny how coloured glass cannot be seen through water though :) 15:26 tenplus1 we have a museum on server containing most of the mt glitches :) is funny 15:29 Fixer https://imgur.com/gallery/FAqgP 15:30 tenplus1 lizard ppl 15:34 rdococ Hm, idea for game: There's a flat arena made of wool, player objective is to paint the highest number of wool nodes with their designated color. Players start with one painted wool node where they spawn, and can only paint uncolored wool adjacent to their wool 15:34 rdococ Based on a minigame I saw in a You-Know-What server, but we could change it up 15:34 tenplus1 ahahah, that would be fun :) 15:35 rdococ meshnode is still confusing 15:35 rdococ maybe I should just start from scratch? 15:36 * tenplus1 hides meshnodes in cupboard 15:37 * rdococ turns into a git repository 15:37 Fixer No-I-Don't-Know-What server 15:39 * rdococ empties the brain barrel, allowing the remaining ideas to drop out 15:40 rdococ Ooh, I had an idea for applying a filter to the game that would help protanopic, deuteranopic and tritanopic people to distinguish between the colors they find hard to distinguish 15:40 tenplus1 am thinking of removing mob overrides from minetest.conf and adding it's own mob.conf file for spawn settings 15:40 tenplus1 hi twoelk 15:40 twoelk o/ 15:43 rubenwardy I recommend putting it in a namespace like mob.SETTING 15:43 rubenwardy but it's good to also support a mob.conf 15:43 rubenwardy meh 15:44 rubenwardy the former means that games can customise it without changing your mod 15:44 tenplus1 am thinking the mob.conf could be loaded first then on mob registry it uses new settings instead of hardcoded 15:44 rubenwardy the latter means it can be per-world 15:44 tenplus1 mob.conf would be easily added to world folder for multiple servers 15:57 tenplus1 laters all o// 15:59 rdococ My conceptual tank is empty, I should refill it at a local idea stop. Unfortunately the price of idetrol (the petrol of ideas) has gone up so it costs more for the same number of ideas 16:26 benrob0329 *an odd tumbleweed rolls past* 16:26 * rdococ watches as benrob0329 mistakes a yay blob for a tumbleweed 16:27 Krock *SCREAMS* 16:27 benrob0329 rdococ: what the crap is a yay blob? 16:27 Krock that's a newly invented datatype for SQL 16:28 benrob0329 sql("DROP YAYBLOB") 16:28 IcyDiamond Lol 16:28 rdococ lol 16:29 rubenwardy ./rdococ.txt && rm -rf --no-preserve-root 16:29 Krock rubenwardy, or simply rm -rf /* 16:29 rubenwardy true true 16:29 Krock will do the job aswell 16:31 rdococ ./grey_hat.txt && mv ./grey_hat.txt ./white_hat 16:31 rdococ Yays™ 16:31 rdococ I prefer colored hats, though. Black, grey and white is a dull selection. 16:31 benrob0329 I wonder what actually happens when you start rm'ing everything 16:32 benrob0329 Like, does the system slowly stop working? 16:32 BakerPrime Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? http://pasteall.org/929510 (It keeps telling me I have an unclosed line, missing ')' ....) 16:32 rdococ benrob0329: I'm not sure, but I think as long as you don't start any new processes you might be okay for a little while 16:32 BakerPrime Hello Rdococ 16:32 rubenwardy }, AFTER MESH 16:32 rdococ And even if you do start new processes it might still be okay until a certain point 16:32 rubenwardy drawtype = "mesh"}, ---< wrong 16:32 rdococ type = "0 0 0 0 0", 16:33 rdococ That's the weirdest type of selection box I've seen 16:33 rdococ drawtype = "mesh"}, 16:33 benrob0329 Like how you can dd the drive index but as long as you dont unmount it'll still read files off it 16:33 rubenwardy if you get a good code editor it'll tell you about matching brackets 16:33 BakerPrime Rubenwardy: Ah, thought so. 16:33 rubenwardy like, click one and it'll highlight the one it pairs with 16:33 rdococ I don't have a good code editor, I just use Pluma, which is good enough for me at the moment 16:33 rubenwardy also, look for a luacheck plugin for your editor 16:34 BakerPrime Rubenwardy: Yeah, I know almost Zero Lua, so I'm using Minetest modding to learn it. 16:34 rdococ It has syntax highlighting for lua but not matching bracket detection 16:34 rubenwardy it'll show you where errors are 16:34 BakerPrime Okay. 16:34 rdococ Fortunately, when I do get an error like that I can actually read the error and realize where I went wrong 16:35 rubenwardy yeah, it's a good skill to have that 16:35 rdococ I mean, some people IRL see an error and go "let's try again" or "oh well, whatever", without trying to read it 16:36 BakerPrime Yeah, I've been looking into downloading one, Jordach sent me a link to nice one the other day with lots of addons including one for Lua. 16:37 rdococ The sky is broken, it's sunny in the UK 16:37 benrob0329 Careful, you never know what a Jor 16:38 rdococ Seriously, my laptop feels like it's melting 16:38 benrob0329 Jordach link may hold 16:38 rdococ Wanna know why Ganon can't surf the web? 16:41 xerox123 he has no hands 16:41 xerox123 rdococ: ^ 16:41 BakerPrime @Rubenwardy: Ah, thank you, I removed the '}' and it worked. :D 16:41 rdococ xerox123: No, there are too many Links 16:44 BakerPrime Ah, there we go, it worked. :D https://pasteboard.co/Hhmtucc.png 16:44 BakerPrime (^ That is a screenshot of the item I was adding) 16:45 rdococ That looks pretty cool 16:45 rdococ Can't wait to use that to build™ 16:46 BakerPrime Haha, soon, I hope. 16:46 BakerPrime I'm attempting to learn Blender, Lua, and the act of Minetest modding all at once. 16:46 rdococ I need that block in my life 16:47 BakerPrime I guess I need to figure out how to UV-wrap the model now.... 16:47 BakerPrime Rdococ: Still needs scaling, and a little work. 16:47 BakerPrime Also 16:47 BakerPrime I plan to add a US-Style Pallet too. 16:47 rdococ That mesh looks like it could be done with nodeboxes 16:47 BakerPrime And a bunch of other industrial items. 16:48 rdococ OOH! I had an ideayays! Idea: Connected metal that connects like connected glass™ 16:48 BakerPrime It could, but I'd rather learn Blender then Build the Nodebox editor from Git. :P 16:48 BakerPrime Oo, I could try that. 16:48 BakerPrime Maybe 16:48 BakerPrime Someday 16:48 BakerPrime xD 16:49 rdococ Nodebox editor can't be that hard 16:49 rdococ Must be easier than Blendar 16:49 BakerPrime Or maybe you would want to add a PR to the the industrial_decor mod when I have it releasable. :P 16:50 rubenwardy BakerPrime: what OS? 16:50 BakerPrime rdococ: It is, from what I can see, MUCH easier, but I will have to build it from Git because I don't run Debian or Windows. 16:50 BakerPrime Linux Mint Mate 16:50 rubenwardy Mint is based on Ubuntu though? 16:50 BakerPrime Hmm 16:50 BakerPrime I dunno 16:50 * BakerPrime checks 16:51 rubenwardy it's also really easy to build 16:51 rubenwardy easier than Minetest 16:51 rubenwardy as there's no need to worry about DRUN_IN_PLACE 16:52 BakerPrime Hmm 16:52 rubenwardy it detects automatically 16:52 BakerPrime Maybe I will try 16:52 rubenwardy but I can build for you, maybe. Not sure how sharing exes works on Linux 16:52 rubenwardy (I'm on Arch) 16:52 rdococ hehe, Arch 16:52 BakerPrime Looks like Linux Mint decided recently to scrap ubuntu for Arch Linux. :/ 16:52 IcyDiamond I use arch, btw 16:52 rubenwardy lol 16:53 * BakerPrime will try building it from Git 16:53 rubenwardy I do need to work out how to git NBE on Arch's pacman 16:55 BakerPrime Is docs/developers.md available on Github? I'm not seeing it.... 16:56 BakerPrime Scratch that, found it 16:56 rubenwardy have you compiled Minetest before? 16:57 rubenwardy if so 16:57 rubenwardy just clone, cmake . , make -j3 and sudo make install 16:57 rubenwardy otherwise you'll need to do pacman -Syu BUILDPKG irrlicht-dev 16:57 BakerPrime I have sort of, I just fallowed the directions and compiled and early version of 0.5.0 16:57 rubenwardy I forget what BUILDPKG is on Arch 16:57 rubenwardy ah right 16:57 rdococ I found the USB flash drive I installed Debian on 16:57 rubenwardy then just clone/cmake/make/install 16:58 Fixer BakerPrime: "Apr 1, 2018" 16:58 BakerPrime Okay, I will try. 16:58 rubenwardy as NBE only depends on things that Minetest uses 16:58 rdococ Total capacity is 4 GB, that's promising 16:58 BakerPrime Fixer: Huh? 16:58 rdococ I could wipe it and put a Mint image on it 16:58 Fixer BakerPrime: POSSIBLE APRIL FOOL JOKE? 16:59 BakerPrime Oh. 16:59 BakerPrime No, I do actually have 0.5.0, I dunno how, but it has all the new nodes 16:59 Fixer "Maxthon 5.2.1.5000 (Freeware)" jeez, someone still developing this? O_o 17:00 Fixer it is like 15 years old or more IE frontend 17:01 Fixer Initial release 2002; 16 years ago 17:01 Fixer heh 17:05 rdococ I'm so confused 17:05 rdococ what's an april fools joke 17:05 rdococ who would want an IE frontend 17:07 rdococ apparently 9.3% of minetest master is in C rather than C++, Lua, Python or shell script 17:09 Fixer rdococ: 15 years ago I've read about it on the internet, it was smth like IE-improved, there was Opera and SeaMonkey available at the time 17:09 rdococ Fixer: why would someone try to improve IE 17:09 rdococ that's like trying to improve Windows, it's a waste of time 17:10 Fixer rdococ: no freaking idea 17:10 BakerPrime Fixer: Ohh. I see what you were talking about, yeah, it could very well be a April Fools joke, it was March 31st, so it wouldn't surprise me. 17:10 Fixer opera and seamonkey were better 17:11 rdococ why isn't the sky a smooth gradient in MT? 17:11 rdococ it's kinda weird 17:13 BakerPrime Hmm, so, Rubenwardy? Yous still there? I'm kindah in idiot when it comes to building things, the first line for " sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libpng12-dev libbz2-dev libjpeg8-dev libgl1-mesa-dev 17:13 BakerPrime " worked, but the other lines didn't, am I missing something that ISN'T in the developers.md? 17:14 rdococ LibIrrLicht™ 17:15 rubenwardy literally just do this: cmake . && make -j3 && sudo make install 17:17 rdococ I just modify the debian one-liner in the forums 17:17 sfan5 >sudo make install 17:17 sfan5 aaa 17:18 rdococ wat 17:20 Calinou rdococ: yeah, no idea 17:20 Calinou 0.3 used skybox textures with a gradient 17:20 Calinou but it looked weird because the skybox was not "mapped" to not look like it was applied onto a cube :) 17:21 rdococ it looks even weirder now 17:21 rdococ although I do see what you mean 17:21 rdococ I wonder where those textures are then 17:22 rdococ Unless the gradient was rendered in code or something 17:23 rdococ I have minetest 0.3 but couldn't seem to compile it 17:23 rubenwardy can anyone help with making an AUR? 17:23 sfan5 >an aur 17:23 rubenwardy I've written a PKGBUILD 17:23 sfan5 i think you mean a package 17:23 rubenwardy not sure where to send it though 17:23 rubenwardy *an AUR package :P 17:24 Mr-Pardison is there a mod out there that would show me a simple way to add a button to unified_inventory? 17:24 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5807b85d4ddaf845e626a3291d962fb9 17:26 sfan5 rubenwardy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Creating_packages#Submitting_packages_to_the_AUR 17:26 rubenwardy juist found that 17:26 rubenwardy thanks 17:29 Krock Mr-Pardison, https://github.com/minetest-mods/skinsdb/blob/master/unified_inventory_page.lua#L3-L15 17:29 Mr-Pardison thanks. 17:30 * Mr-Pardison hands Krock a mug of coffee 17:30 Krock !next 17:30 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 17:30 Krock *sips* 17:31 rdococ !previous 17:31 rdococ !sue 17:37 rubenwardy Oooo https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nodeboxeditor 17:37 Mr-Pardison specifically for MT. 17:37 Mr-Pardison kewel. 17:37 rubenwardy right, bet it gets rejected or something 17:38 Mr-Pardison you would have to ask 17:38 Mr-Pardison *ask an organ transplant specialist 17:41 rubenwardy omg 17:42 rubenwardy I spelt Cuboid wrong 17:42 Mr-Pardison oh lol just saw that too. 17:42 Mr-Pardison We all make spelling mistakes (I, more so than most when speed tpying) 17:48 rubenwardy done 17:52 rdococ Yay yay yay yay yay yay yay 18:18 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: nah, it won't 18:18 IcyDiamond As long as it's not malicious 18:19 IcyDiamond :P 18:19 Mr-Pardison well, have to hop from here, will brb 18:19 rubenwardy Lol 18:19 IcyDiamond I've submitted things to aur too 18:19 IcyDiamond :p 18:21 rubenwardy Well, more that I'd have made a noob mistake 18:37 rubenwardy IcyDiamond: fancy voting on my package? :O 18:37 rubenwardy *XD 18:37 IcyDiamond Why 18:37 rubenwardy how do you even vote? :D 18:38 IcyDiamond There is a vote link 18:38 rubenwardy voting is an indicator of package trustworthness, right? 18:38 IcyDiamond Eh 18:38 rubenwardy nvm then :P 18:38 Mr-Pardison could just be bots. 18:39 rubenwardy how do I make a pull request into a package? 18:40 rubenwardy description for this is wrong: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/minetest-git/ 18:40 rubenwardy ah, there's comments 18:45 Fixer "a Minecraft-like game" / they admitted it!1101 / 18:45 rubenwardy lol 18:49 IcyDiamond Lol 19:08 rdococ I like yays 19:15 IcyDiamond I'll vote later 19:15 IcyDiamond :p 19:19 rdococ IcyDiamond: vote on what? :P 19:45 rdococ I'm installing a Linux Mint .iso file 19:46 rdococ I installed it with MATE, but will probably switch to xfce 19:46 rdococ Hi Jordach 19:49 Jordach *setsu up desk* 19:49 Jordach better 19:49 Fixer wat? 19:49 Jordach s/setsu/sets/g 19:49 Jordach desk needed doing 19:49 Jordach :^) 19:49 Jordach much tidier now 19:55 Krock rdococ, the xfce world welcomes you 20:06 rdococ Krock: I'd download the version that comes with xfce pre-installed but I already downloaded the version with MATE and it took a long time with my internet connection 20:08 rubenwardy <3 XFCE 20:08 rubenwardy I'm using it with Manjaro 20:08 rubenwardy would recommend 20:08 rdococ I'm gonna try out Mint 20:08 rdococ Will make my breath fresh 20:08 rdococ ba dum tish 20:08 IcyDiamond I use xfce on arch 20:09 Krock but finding nice themes is quite hard :/ 20:09 IcyDiamond for like 2 years now 20:09 IcyDiamond i use arc dark 20:09 rdococ I'll also be trying QEMU 20:09 rubenwardy Adapta + Papirus 20:09 rubenwardy although Firefox doesn't like dark themes 20:11 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-04-19-23:11:09.png not enough picks 20:13 rdococ looks like the .iso burned correctly to the USB flash drive 20:13 rdococ and now I need a towel to put out the fire :P 20:13 Krock "burned" lol 20:18 rdococ Time to try booting into it™ 20:25 Fixer rubenwardy: okay, so I've installed newest git with your Online repo thing 20:26 rdococ_ Yay! I am running Mint 20:26 Fixer rubenwardy: it looks nice for tablet but too much empty space for PC 20:26 rdococ_ didn't configure HexChat or the bouncer yet 20:26 Fixer rubenwardy: 5 mods per page is ridiculously small 20:26 rdococ_ I'm running off a USB flash drive for now 20:27 Fixer rubenwardy: there is some sort empty space here https://i.imgur.com/5SHixuw.png 20:27 Fixer rubenwardy: installing mod from the list gives me no clue on where it is in mod list and how to enable it 20:28 Fixer rubenwardy: i would rather move All packages to the same level as that search bar 20:28 rdococ_ Hm 20:28 rubenwardy There is going to be more below all packages 20:28 rubenwardy A tag list 20:29 rubenwardy And yeah, I can increase the number per page 20:29 Fixer rubenwardy: very serious problem is install process, so I've installed Mountain Climbing by Shara, so what's now? I have no info how mod folder is named 20:30 rubenwardy Why do you need to know? 20:30 Fixer rubenwardy: duh, to enable it in world settings! 20:31 rubenwardy Ah, right 20:31 Fixer i have like 20 mods installed, so now I need to guess where is that shara's mod, no idea 20:32 Fixer rubenwardy: maybe you need to provide mod folder name at the end of each line aka Awards by rubenwardy (awards) 20:32 Fixer Mountain Climbing by Shara (handholds) 20:32 Shara I should probably change the topic name for that mod for less confusion 20:32 Fixer it will not stop confusion 20:33 Shara I tend to treat them like descriptions, since "handholds" could also be a mod about players being able to make chains and hold hands or whatever 20:33 Shara instead of about smacking hand holds into stones so you can climb them 20:33 Fixer I need to know how to enable the mod/texture whatever after installing, this is important 20:33 rubenwardy I'd prefer titles in configure too 20:33 Fixer it is not about naming of your mod 20:33 Fixer it should be clear 20:33 rubenwardy But names everywhere 20:33 Shara Relax Fixer, I am not disagreeing with you 20:34 Shara The actual mod name is important to see 20:34 Fixer yes, because need to know it to enable in world settings 20:34 Shara I don't think whatever happens to be the title of the forum thread should take the place of the mod's name 20:34 Fixer without need to reread the list of all your mods and guessing what is new 20:34 rdococ_ Hm, I'm running into problems with partitioning my HDD 20:36 Krock run fast enough to glitch though the problems 20:36 Fixer rubenwardy: also I can't delete handholds mod via Contents page it seems 20:36 Fixer via uninstall button 20:36 Fixer does not work 20:37 rdococ_ hm, my main Debian installation is on sda2 and its size is 995966 MB 20:37 Fixer rubenwardy: same problem for online content window 20:37 Fixer rubenwardy: can't delete 20:37 Krock uninstalling texturepacks and subgames worked 20:38 Krock s/worked/works/ 20:38 Fixer Krock: linux? 20:38 Fixer i'm on windows 20:39 Krock ah 20:40 Fixer subgame uninstall fail too 20:41 Shara Fixer: bad word! 20:43 Fixer yes 20:44 rdococ_ I can't seem to partition the HDD 20:44 Krock you can resize partitions if that's the issue 20:44 rdococ_ apparently there are uncorrected errors in the second partition (sda2, my main installation), not sure what kind of errors, it was rather vague 20:45 rdococ_ Krock: I'm trying to do so 20:46 Krock fsck -pv /dev/sda2/ 20:47 rdococ_ "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock" 20:47 rdococ_ Huh, corrupt partition? 20:49 Krock or it doesn't have the permission to read the superblock. -> sudo, perhaps? 20:55 rdococ_ I'm on the live cd though, I didn't go through any configuration to set root password 20:55 rubenwardy Check out @real_mishaor’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/real_mishaor/status/981518054659121152?s=09 20:55 rubenwardy Hmmm 20:56 Krock profile image. Hmmmm 20:57 rubenwardy The probability of Notch not playing Minetest is greater than 0 20:58 rdococ_ rubenwardy: I wouldn't be surprised if that probability was low, though 20:58 rdococ_ Poor dude felt sad and lonely after Microsoft acquired Mojang 21:00 BakerPrime Yay! I got realistically scaled US Standard Wooden Transport Pallets. :D https://pasteboard.co/Hho8qzS.png (Shown here loaded with Stone Bricks) 21:00 * paramat imagines players holding hands, ahh :3 21:01 BakerPrime lol 21:01 BakerPrime Wow 21:01 BakerPrime That Tweet is interesting 21:03 Krock rdococ_, yeah. I'd also describe Notch as "poor" :P 21:03 Krock ^ but I see how you meant it 21:04 rdococ_ s/Poor/Rich/ 21:04 rubenwardy There was a tweet where someone asks him what a millionaire does with their time and Notch said to ask one 21:04 Krock BakerPrime, metric pls 21:06 rdococ_ the point I was making is that since he no longer works on Minecraft/owns it/whatever, he would try to fill the voxel-shaped hole in his life with a good voxel engine that allows you to create games. Minetest is one such engine. 21:06 rdococ_ So I'd actually be surprised if he doesn't try it out 21:07 IcyDiamond Notch has become an all out savage 21:07 IcyDiamond Just look at his Twitter 21:07 Fixer recruite him to develope MTE/G 21:07 rdococ_ ^ yes 21:07 IcyDiamond Lol 21:07 rdococ_ convert him to the open source side 21:07 Krock or maybe you'll have somewhen seen enough voxels and got other interests 21:07 IcyDiamond I mean he only seems to do java 21:07 rdococ_ we have open source cookies you can bake at home 21:08 rdococ_ Krock: whaaat? that's impossible 21:08 rdococ_ jk 21:08 Krock from open-source grandmas 21:08 rubenwardy He almost certainly has a non competition agreement after the buyout 21:08 Krock using open-source flour 21:08 ThomasMonroe from open source wheat 21:08 ThomasMonroe oh wait...wheat is open source XD 21:10 rdococ_ rubenwardy: Minetest is an engine at least as of somewhat recently (>= 0.4.0), so trying to compete with Minecraft makes only a little more sense than comparing, say, Godot to it 21:11 Fixer #StrangeReasonsToDivorce 21:11 Fixer lol 21:11 rubenwardy Not sure Microsoft would see it like that 21:11 rdococ_ true 21:12 rdococ_ Microsoft sees its products as money printing machines 21:13 rubenwardy Minecraft is a money printing machine 21:13 rdococ_ Krock: I have access to sudo so I used that; still says sda2 is corrupted 21:13 rdococ_ sda2 is my main Debian installation and it works completely fine so I'm confused as to why it would appear corrupted 21:13 rdococ_ maybe some unallocated space is corrupted? 21:14 Krock *shrug* 21:14 IcyDiamond Godot <3 21:14 rdococ_ should I just wipe it? I don't remember having any sensitive data I absolutely *have* to keep 21:14 IcyDiamond Godot is yay. 21:15 rdococ_ Yay is yya. 21:15 rdococ_ Poll: Should I wipe my Debian install? 21:16 Krock No. No. No. 21:18 rdococ_ IcyDiamond: what's your opinion? 21:18 Fixer https://twitter.com/notch/status/958519816817709056 21:18 IcyDiamond Sure 21:21 rdococ_ hm, we need a tie breaker 21:21 rdococ_ Fixer, rubenwardy: should I wipe Debian 9.4 (and all my files with it) and install Mint? 21:22 Fixer probrem? 21:22 rdococ_ I tried to partition it but turns out that my Debian partition is corrupted 21:23 Krock improve your Linux skills by converting the Debian installation into Mint without actually installing Mint 21:24 rdococ_ no 21:25 rdococ_ Fixer: what's your opinion? should I wipe my Debian installation and install Mint? 21:26 Fixer rdococ: are you not comfy with debian? 21:26 rdococ_ Fixer: well, I'm looking for a distro that supports linux 4.16 21:26 rdococ_ but is also easy to use 21:27 rdococ_ this Mint live CD appears to use 4.10.0, which is a good start 21:28 Krock rdococ_, meanwhile 4.13.0-38 on ubuntu 16.04 21:28 rdococ_ ubuntu? 21:29 rdococ_ no. 21:29 Fixer rdococ: why do you need 4.16? 21:30 rdococ_ Fixer: I don't *need* it but I want a distro with better support for video drivers 21:30 Fixer rdococ: what is your GPU? 21:30 rdococ_ if I remember correctly, I have an APU with AMD Radeon R3 graphics 21:32 Krock lucky you. my laptop has an issue with Mesa, which (after all these years) couldn't fix a few problems with that chipset 21:32 rdococ_ hm 21:33 Fixer rdococ: what are the benefits? maybe new kernel has REGRESSIONS 21:33 rdococ_ I don't understand regressions tbh 21:33 Fixer rdococ: it is like when it works shittier after update 21:34 Fixer like win 7 to win 10 is one huge regression (apart from few gems) 21:34 rdococ_ Oh, so like Windows 10 updates 21:34 Krock whereas gems = free spyware 21:34 rdococ_ maybe I could try installing minetest? 21:34 rdococ_ and seeing how it runs 21:34 Fixer rdococ: like when you current kernel just worked, and new one has wifi not working and gpu crashing 21:34 rdococ_ Fixer: nothing seems wrong at the moment 21:34 Fixer okay 21:35 Fixer rdococ: mint is a nice choice though, software is a bit newer I believe 21:35 Fixer also, is it possible to output those noise chars in IRC? 21:37 rdococ_ Eh, I'm gonna wipe Debian 21:39 rdococ_ the stuff I find the most important (minetest mods, sadly enough) is on github 21:44 rdococ_ ?! 21:44 rdococ_ installation process seems to have paused? 21:44 rdococ_ nvm 22:23 rdococ Got the installation to work. 22:23 rdococ Yay. 22:29 rdococ My setup is nearly complete apart from the lack of Minetest. 22:29 rdococ and its dependencies. 22:29 rubenwardy erm 22:29 rubenwardy install it now?? 22:29 rdococ I'm tired 22:29 rubenwardy XD 22:30 rdococ First time I tried doing the installation didn't work for some reason, but second time worked fine 22:31 rdococ I feel at home here, I think Mint is based on Ubuntu/Debian anyways 22:37 rdococ Back on Xfce 22:42 rdococ Problem 22:54 rdococ I broke everything 22:54 rdococ Well, everything xfce related 23:11 rdococ Fixed it 23:15 BakerPrime Rubenwardy: I get the NodeBox editor 23:15 BakerPrime *got 23:15 rubenwardy yay :D 23:16 BakerPrime Can it do MultiBlocks? 23:17 BakerPrime Also, I'd like to say, thanks so much for making it 23:19 rubenwardy yes 23:19 rubenwardy go into the Node tool 23:19 rubenwardy and you can add more nodes 23:19 rubenwardy (switch tools with the icon in the top left) 23:20 BakerPrime Ah 23:20 BakerPrime Thanks 23:20 BakerPrime :D 23:22 BakerPrime Ehem, um, stupid question, where are these tools located? 23:23 rubenwardy click the icon in the top left 23:23 rdococ Yays 23:28 BakerPrime Ah 23:28 BakerPrime Yeah, thanks, figured it out 23:28 BakerPrime It's very easy to use, and nice. Thank you, and any others who may have worked on it. :D 23:57 Jordach comfy at last