Time  Nick          Message
00:08 Fixer         sigh https://i.imgur.com/KvcMPS2.png
00:09 Fixer         VanessaE: creative-building is in somewhat bad shape, please ban those griefers
00:48 Fixer         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=19850 stratum
04:27 TommyTreasure is there a minetest.conf setting to keep colored text out of game chat?
10:36 rubenwardy    yes
10:36 rubenwardy    strip_colored_text
10:36 rubenwardy    you need 0.4.17 however
11:00 tenplus1      hi folks
11:06 tenplus1      Farming Redo updated, added peas, wooden bowl, pea soup
11:19 tenplus1      hi fixer
11:30 Fixer         hello
11:32 Fixer         "The following words in your search query were ignored because they are too common words: just."
11:32 Fixer         okay, fy useless forum
11:32 tenplus1      lol
11:36 tenplus1      wht you hunting for?
12:23 tenplus1      hi lumberJ
12:34 lumberJ       hey tenplus1
12:34 tenplus1      o/
12:37 tenplus1      wb raven
12:38 Raven262      thanks ten, also hi
12:39 tenplus1      :P
12:39 Raven262      I managed to get matrix code rain as my desktop background, animated.
12:40 tenplus1      nice one dude :P seen that one before, is pretty kewl
12:41 Raven262      (had to sacrifice plasma, but probably worth it)
12:41 tenplus1      always fun to customize your desktop :)
12:41 tenplus1      hi mister
12:41 Mr_Pardison   'ello tenplus1
13:11 Wayward_One   Hi all :)
13:12 tenplus1      hi wayward
13:12 Mr_Pardison   hello Wayward_One
13:32 tenplus1      bbl
14:42 tenplus1      hi folks
14:43 ThomasMonroe  o/ tenplus1
14:43 tenplus1      hi thomas
14:44 ThomasMonroe  how are you? :)
14:44 tenplus1      good ta, tinkering as always :) and you ?
14:45 ThomasMonroe  good, I got basic rendering engine code laid down and a sphere rendering
14:45 tenplus1      ooh, writing your own 3d proggy ?
14:45 ThomasMonroe  proggy?
14:45 ThomasMonroe  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408782583736827906/425850494980980746/2018-03-20_21_57_22-qub3dengineApp.png
14:46 tenplus1      proggy = program (my lazy way of saying it :)
14:46 ThomasMonroe  lol sounds suspiciously like froggy
14:47 tenplus1      heh
14:47 tenplus1      I finally added 'peas' to farming mod, never thought I'd get so many requests for such a simple veg.
14:48 rubenwardy    > no mobs
14:48 ThomasMonroe  O_o pease!? eww
14:48 rubenwardy    0/100
14:48 ThomasMonroe  peas*
14:48 tenplus1      hi ruben
14:49 tenplus1      whassup ?
14:50 rubenwardy    nm
14:51 tenplus1      I am however starting to add utensils, added bowl for food crafting recipes (food_bowl group)
14:51 tenplus1      Pam got back to me about using harvestcraft textures and said no, which is fine, just means I gotta crappily draw my own for other utensils and food items :D
14:57 tenplus1      wb
15:24 Fixer         rubenwardy: jeez, who wants mobs... people were fine with just rails for 6 years...
15:25 tenplus1      :P
15:32 rubenwardy    what are mobs actually missing?
15:33 rubenwardy    it really sucks how little artists there are for FOSS games
15:34 tenplus1      they give time and effort when possible
15:34 rubenwardy    less than programmers
15:34 rubenwardy    purely because FOSS is more of a programmer problem
15:34 rubenwardy    not a real person problem
15:34 rubenwardy    ;)
15:36 tenplus1      unless you get paid to specifically do a task it's all down to time available... many of us know this :P
15:36 rubenwardy    yeah
15:37 rubenwardy    I do question why I give all this free labour to chinese app publishers
15:37 tenplus1      chinese app publishers ??? huh
15:38 rubenwardy    add ads to Minetest, don't change much, publish 20 copies with different names
15:38 rubenwardy    https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=MG17+Games
15:38 rubenwardy    although that one changed a bit
15:39 tenplus1      ohhhh, the knock-off clients... gotcha
15:39 rubenwardy    I issued a DMCA to them as they don't follow the LGPL license
15:39 rubenwardy    although google wants me to take a picture of the code, argh
15:39 rubenwardy    have to download  the app again
15:39 rubenwardy    hope it's not for each individual one
15:39 tenplus1      I do minetest to relax and for fun mostly, so what happens to my work afterwards is up to the users
15:40 rubenwardy    there's two types of work, for me
15:40 rubenwardy    1 is the fun kind, like CTF and random modding
15:40 rubenwardy    the other is the time consuming exhausting kind, the engine dev etc
15:41 rubenwardy    doing the latter is partly to help the former
15:41 tenplus1      I do with my c++ skills were better, but alas I suck at coding in that area :P
15:41 rubenwardy    partly because I like the project
15:42 tenplus1      yeah... mt is a good project to play with :)
15:42 rubenwardy    and partly because I'm locked in a basement by Fixer
15:42 tenplus1      aww, hope he feeds you
15:43 rubenwardy    occasionally
15:43 * tenplus1    tosses you some donuts n coffee
15:43 tenplus1      hi benrob
15:43 benrob0329    Hi tenplus1
15:51 rubenwardy    are there any distros that provide latest stable user software, but backport only OS software?
15:51 rubenwardy    Ubuntu does backport-only for all packages on LTS releases
15:51 rubenwardy    whereas user software like Minetest and Firefox should be latest stable
15:51 tenplus1      I'm testing ubu 18.04 beta 1 just now on my main desktop and it's rock stable and has all new software
15:52 rubenwardy    for like, 1 month
15:52 rubenwardy    then it'll be out of date again
15:52 tenplus1      I havent enabled the (dev version switch) for latest packages yet, but I dare say they are all up to date
15:52 tenplus1      but you DO have the choice :)
15:53 rubenwardy    right
15:53 rubenwardy    the group games project is soul destroying
15:53 rubenwardy    a module at my uni
15:53 rubenwardy    We're using Unity, ofc
15:53 tenplus1      aww, not playing with godot
15:54 rubenwardy    which is incredibly slow with obscure bugs
15:54 rubenwardy    coursemates don't care about FOSS
15:54 tenplus1      they should allow you the engine of your choice so long as you can give them the final result they want
15:55 tenplus1      when I was at college they forced me to use pascal and cobol... *shudder*
15:55 rubenwardy    they do
15:55 rubenwardy    99% use Unity
15:55 rubenwardy    one group is using C++ and Ogre3D
15:55 rubenwardy    another group is using Unreal
15:55 tenplus1      so many engines
15:55 tenplus1      which do you like best ?
15:56 rubenwardy    personally think that Unity should be banned, it's really not good for programming as a team
15:56 rubenwardy    for the coursework that is
15:56 tenplus1      a few pointers to your lecturer is in order
16:00 Fixer         rubenwardy: and there is 3rd kind of work: minetest game development, when you already lost hope about 6 years ago
16:00 rubenwardy    &probably
16:00 rubenwardy    lol
16:00 tenplus1      lol
16:02 tenplus1      do you think minetest would run better using godot over irrlicht ?
16:02 rubenwardy    I dislike politics, and Minetest Game is full of it
16:02 rubenwardy    no
16:02 tenplus1      too much politics in the world already, keep it out of our fun times :)
16:03 rubenwardy    godot isn't very good at 3d
16:03 rubenwardy    although it may be better with 3.0.0
16:03 tenplus1      ahhh...
16:03 rubenwardy    Calinou's the expert
16:04 rubenwardy    I also not sure how much support it offers in terms of low-level mesh creation and rendering
16:04 rubenwardy    ie: to do voxel efficiently
16:06 tenplus1      I dare say there's more to optimize in the mt engine itself that will speed things up and have it talk between c++ and lua better
16:06 tenplus1      it's a good challenge
16:06 rubenwardy    yeah
16:07 rubenwardy    I do wonder how much better the engine would be if we could require knock off apps to buy licenses or royalties or whatever
16:07 rubenwardy    like, it's against the whole idea of FOSS and I wouldn't actually want it
16:07 tenplus1      again we're talking chinese knock-offs so they wont care
16:08 rubenwardy    they'd legally have to otherwise DCMA. I'm talking about if the engine was proprietary, essentially
16:08 rubenwardy    which, as I said, I don't want
16:08 rubenwardy    OTOH, you wouldn't have got as many contributors up until now
16:08 rubenwardy    I certainly wouldn't contribute to a proprietary engine
16:09 tenplus1      yeah... foss is great and if they'd ask before making a new client we'd be able tobugfix things quicker from players on those alternate clients
16:16 tenplus1      wb amaz
16:17 Amaz          ty :)
16:19 benrob0329    rubenwardy: Slackware, or aBSD
16:19 benrob0329    *s BSD
16:20 benrob0329    Dangit
16:20 benrob0329    Fedora seems to have a decent mix of stable and software, it has MT 0.4.16 anyways
16:24 tenplus1      hi mister
16:24 Mr_Pardison   wb 2 u 2.
16:29 * tenplus1    is drawing utensils in gimp
16:37 tenplus1      hi twoelk
16:50 tenplus1      o/
16:52 Mr_Pardison   \o/
16:52 tenplus1      what's a better name, skillet or frying pan ???
16:55 rubenwardy    the latter, lol
16:55 tenplus1      frying pan
16:55 tenplus1      kewl
16:56 Mr_Pardison   what context?
16:56 tenplus1      am gonna add cooking utensils to the farming redo mod for crafting good items
16:56 tenplus1      e.g.   chopping board + melon = 8x melon slices
16:57 tenplus1      1x orange + juicer = orange juice
16:57 tenplus1      once these are in place food items can be made a lot easier
16:57 rubenwardy    sounds a bit excessive for a farming mod
16:57 rubenwardy    and also juicer implies modern technology
16:57 tenplus1      been wanting to add these for a while, it really will simplify food crafts
16:59 Mr_Pardison   could go either way for the name
16:59 Mr_Pardison   frying pan denotes something that you use to fry food in, skillet is more general cooking of food
17:00 tenplus1      ahh, in that case I'll stick with skillet
17:03 * twoelk      had to go for a quick errand and waves a greeting as he returns to the kb o/
17:03 tenplus1      o/
17:03 twoelk        :-)
17:03 * twoelk      reads logs
17:04 twoelk        maybe a new mod like kitchenware or cookingutils?
17:05 tenplus1      I was thinking that, but it relies heavily on having food available so adding 6 items to farming seems logical
17:05 twoelk        hrm , think of the future - it will expand
17:06 tenplus1      hopefully many food packs will be made that uses the base utensils, yes
17:06 tenplus1      but for now I'm only adding the tools
17:07 twoelk        just when I thought I had at least the list complete https://wiki.minetest.net/Mods/Farming_Redo
17:08 tenplus1      nice :) dont worry it's only 6 items
17:08 tenplus1      will upload changes shortly :) just finished textures... craft recipes now
17:09 twoelk        btw, can I copy the first post image from the forum to the wiki?
17:13 tenplus1      yeah, thats fine :)
17:14 rubenwardy    kek https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=314874
17:34 tenplus1      twoelk: Farming Redo git updated, all utensils added
17:35 tenplus1      hi richard
17:53 Fixer         oh, I see a new bullshit hype emerging - raytracing to keep you folks busy
17:54 tenplus1      huh ???
17:54 tenplus1      tiem for coffee, farming redo has many goodies added for anyone interested :)
17:54 Fixer         just buy $150 000 worth of videocards to raytrace in realtime! it is new trend, you see, VR will be dead in no time ::))
17:56 Fixer         tenplus1: ditch coffee, use tea!
17:56 Fixer         also, ubuntu sucks
17:57 tenplus1      what kinda tea ?
17:57 Fixer         classic one
17:57 Fixer         sometimes it is nice to switch to other stuff, from tea to coffee and back
17:57 sofar         the not-messed-up type tea
17:58 tenplus1      lol, hi sofar
17:59 Mr_Pardison   the kind that tastes good and doesn't have a bitter aftertaste.
17:59 tenplus1      earl grey is nice
17:59 sofar         all tea is bitter, you just get used to it if you don't put junk in it
17:59 sofar         earl gray is messed up tea
17:59 tenplus1      lol
18:00 sofar         "my tea isn't flowery enough"... add flower oils -> earl grey
18:01 tenplus1      always prefered coffee over tea... the latter is bitter unless I add sugar/milk
18:01 tenplus1      hi Darcidride_
18:02 tenplus1      o/ ssieb
18:03 Fixer         I only add sugar to coffee
18:05 Fixer         "Creators Update took 82 minutes on average to install" hah
18:05 tenplus1      why is windows so crappy when it comes to updates
18:06 Fixer         eh, I really need stop using this shit
18:06 Fixer         at least i'm on 7
18:06 Fixer         tenplus1: at times I had to force reboot my 7 after waiting close to hour to install some relatively small update
18:07 Fixer         their logs are criptic AF
18:08 tenplus1      I wonder how much things will change when windows core os comes out
18:08 Fixer         also, that feel when Debian with tons of software takes 5GB of space and empty /windows dir sitting at 30GB
18:09 Fixer         don't hold your breath :) prepare for worst
18:09 tenplus1      I tried w10 lite edition, was still huge at 18gb
18:10 Fixer         lol
18:10 Fixer         lite
18:10 Fixer         remember lite Windows XP?
18:10 Mr_Pardison   with windows, there is no such thing as lite
18:11 tenplus1      I have WinXP performance edition... 192mb iso and runs really well
18:11 Fixer         past XP version are dissapointing very much
18:11 Fixer         in terms of UI response, HDD response
18:11 Fixer         tenplus1: there are even 50mb winxp isos...
18:11 tenplus1      oof, I wonder what's left of it... ehehe
18:12 Fixer         i've used 100mb XP iso for VM to run old game
18:12 Fixer         it worked
18:12 Fixer         now that's impressive
18:13 tenplus1      that's the only reason I had the 192mb XP, for games that wont play ball with wine :P
18:13 Fixer         some games won't run past XP unfortunately
18:14 Mr_Pardison   they run towards it.
18:14 Fixer         "DDoS Attacks Are $10 per Hour on the Dark Web" this is worrying
18:14 tenplus1      wow, so cheap :D
18:15 Fixer         it is like kid-cheap
18:16 * tenplus1    wonders how much pocket money was spend upsetting services
18:38 Mr-Pardison   what's the difference between 0.4.16 32-bit MSVC and MinGW ?
18:50 twoelk        that's a secret kept by your personell windows installation
18:52 tenplus1      ?
18:53 Mr-Pardison   they wiped all the data from the computer I'm using and I had to re-install MT.
18:53 tenplus1      with the update ? damn
18:54 twoelk        no backups?
18:54 Mr-Pardison   no this is a school computer.
18:55 twoelk        :-(
18:58 * twoelk      has a feeling tenplus1 counts to six in some other math than Euklid postulated
18:58 * tenplus1    thinks waht this means :P
19:01 * twoelk      is running his gitpull script to update his local versions of tenplus1 mods
19:02 tenplus1      btw, if anyone can do better textures for the utensils please lemmie know
19:02 twoelk        eh? why does tps-mbs need username and password?
19:03 twoelk        *tps-mobs
19:03 tenplus1      isnt it a private repo
19:05 twoelk        hm, 30 files changed since last pull which is only a few days back
19:05 twoelk        in farming redo that is
19:07 tenplus1      hi Gael-de-Sailly
19:07 tenplus1      yup, been doing some work on farming lately :)
19:12 Mr-Pardison   can you turn off chat on the android version and if so, how?
19:14 Fixer         Mr-Pardison: pick any
19:22 Roger9_       hi
19:23 tenplus1      hi roger
19:23 Mr-Pardison   hello Roger9_
19:27 Roger9_       do I need to recompile Minetest if I change some shader code?
19:29 rubenwardy    no
19:29 rubenwardy    only if you change C++, C, or CMake
19:29 rubenwardy    or if you're compiling for Android
19:30 Roger9_       where are they kept?
19:30 ThomasMonroe  client/shaders
19:32 Roger9_       ah
19:35 rubenwardy    kek https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19854
19:35 Mr-Pardison   oh that.
19:36 Mr-Pardison   person from DL was saying that earlier.
19:36 Mr-Pardison   they got their shout priv revoked and then they pretty much rage quit.
19:36 Mr-Pardison   TommyTreasure: ^
19:37 Roger9_       I'm trying to think of some trivial changes I could make to the shader to improve it, but then I realized that if those trivial improvements could be made they would have already
19:43 Roger9_       I'm going to experiment with the fog system, because I think I can make it appear more natural
19:44 Roger9_       what is the fogShadingParameter in the nodes_shader/opengl_fragment.glsl?
19:44 Roger9_       nevermind, found it
19:52 Roger9_       rubenwardy: I keep changing the shader code but I don't see any changes
19:54 sfan5         are you restarting the game afterwards?
19:54 Roger9_       yes
19:55 sfan5         do you have shaders enabled?
19:55 rubenwardy    do you get any erros in the console?
19:55 Roger9_       nope... whoops
19:55 rubenwardy    loool
19:55 Roger9_       I didn't have shaders enabled, lol
19:56 tenplus1      back in a bit, watching show :P
19:59 Roger9_       it still doesn't seem to be doing anything
20:00 Roger9_       I'm doing a test modification of nodes_shader/opengl_fragment.glsl line 213 by setting clarity to 1.0, which if I've read the code correctly would remove fog and let you see the mapblocks/chunks as they load and unload
20:00 Roger9_       well, not unload per say as when you switch to full rendering distance you can still see them, but you get my point, hopefully
20:03 sofar         or you press `r` ?
20:03 sofar         or even `f3`
20:04 Roger9_       yes, `r`
20:16 IhrFussel     Hello guys
20:17 Fixer         hi
20:22 Roger9_       sofar: nothing seems to be changing when I modify the shader code...
20:38 Roger9_       nevermind, I figured it out
20:38 Roger9_       yay
22:07 rubenwardy    hmmm https://i.rubenwardy.com/vI0Aw.png
22:08 sofar         it's a trap
22:08 * Fixer       hmmms too
22:10 rubenwardy    would show you the UI, but it sucks
22:12 rubenwardy    to do list: https://i.rubenwardy.com/kXMxr.png
22:13 Fixer         rubenwardy: it looks so real on screenshot
22:13 sofar         you can fix up the UI later anyway
22:13 rubenwardy    yeah, focussing on the functionality
22:13 rubenwardy    to do list gives idea of what's to do ;)
22:13 rubenwardy    done: creating/viewing/editing/approving package meta data
22:14 rubenwardy    also creating and approving releases, although no file upload yet
22:14 rubenwardy    or github import
22:22 Fixer         https://www.pcgamer.com/minecraft-server-drama-leads-to-a-wave-of-bomb-threats-at-uk-schools/ :D :D :D :D :D+E666
22:27 tumeninodes   Fixer, the whole world is going mental. Just read that story shaking my head, wishing I could just go back to 1975
22:28 sofar         ahh yes, the age of lead in gasoline and plane hijackings
22:28 tumeninodes   yep..., the good ol days
22:28 Fixer         lead in food you mean :D
22:29 tumeninodes   I used to eat lead paint chips as a child
22:29 tumeninodes   probably safer than most of the foods around today
22:30 Fixer         not
22:34 Fixer         you can store very illegal kinds of porno in a bitcoin blockchain rendering it possibly illegal to use in many countries
22:34 Fixer         lol
22:34 Fixer         that is unexpected turn
22:37 twoelk        bitcoin hype seems to be somewhat over the top now
22:37 tumeninodes   the plot thickens
22:43 Fixer         videocard card prices are still high
22:43 Fixer         very high
22:45 Roger9_       hm
22:45 Roger9_       thinking of how I could apply a fisheye effect with glsl
22:45 ThomasMonroe  change the projection matrix
22:46 Roger9_       there's a uniform mat4 called mWorldViewProj
22:46 Roger9_       the 'uniform' suggests I might need to delve into C++ to see how it's handled
22:46 ThomasMonroe  you don't have to do that, just ovveride it with another var
22:46 Roger9_       perhaps
22:46 ThomasMonroe  and play around with transformations :D
22:47 Roger9_       I wonder what would happen if I removed the transformation - in other words, used the identity matrix
22:47 ThomasMonroe  lol
22:47 ThomasMonroe  a mess XD
22:48 ThomasMonroe  er actually nothing at all I don't think
22:48 Roger9_       nope, actually no change
22:48 Roger9_       other than maybe a change in FOV
22:48 Roger9_       interesting
22:49 Fixer         wth is this? https://i.imgur.com/xRzHBUw.png
22:50 Roger9_       a two-eyed pacman
22:50 Roger9_       wtf
22:52 Wayward_One   An early Picasso
23:09 Roger9_       gl_Position is a vec2 or vec3, right?
23:09 Roger9_       for default_shader/opengl_vertex.glsl
23:11 Roger9_       ah, vec4
23:11 Roger9_       makes sense due to the projection matrix thing
23:32 Roger9_       Interesting, mapping all points to the unit sphere caused Minetest to appear to use affine texture mapping.
23:34 Roger9_       I assume this is probably because, by mapping the points to the unit sphere, every surface of every node that extends into 3D space become irregular quads
23:34 Roger9_       Not sure tho