Time Nick Message 00:08 Fixer sigh https://i.imgur.com/KvcMPS2.png 00:09 Fixer VanessaE: creative-building is in somewhat bad shape, please ban those griefers 00:48 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=19850 stratum 04:27 TommyTreasure is there a minetest.conf setting to keep colored text out of game chat? 10:36 rubenwardy yes 10:36 rubenwardy strip_colored_text 10:36 rubenwardy you need 0.4.17 however 11:00 tenplus1 hi folks 11:06 tenplus1 Farming Redo updated, added peas, wooden bowl, pea soup 11:19 tenplus1 hi fixer 11:30 Fixer hello 11:32 Fixer "The following words in your search query were ignored because they are too common words: just." 11:32 Fixer okay, fy useless forum 11:32 tenplus1 lol 11:36 tenplus1 wht you hunting for? 12:23 tenplus1 hi lumberJ 12:34 lumberJ hey tenplus1 12:34 tenplus1 o/ 12:37 tenplus1 wb raven 12:38 Raven262 thanks ten, also hi 12:39 tenplus1 :P 12:39 Raven262 I managed to get matrix code rain as my desktop background, animated. 12:40 tenplus1 nice one dude :P seen that one before, is pretty kewl 12:41 Raven262 (had to sacrifice plasma, but probably worth it) 12:41 tenplus1 always fun to customize your desktop :) 12:41 tenplus1 hi mister 12:41 Mr_Pardison 'ello tenplus1 13:11 Wayward_One Hi all :) 13:12 tenplus1 hi wayward 13:12 Mr_Pardison hello Wayward_One 13:32 tenplus1 bbl 14:42 tenplus1 hi folks 14:43 ThomasMonroe o/ tenplus1 14:43 tenplus1 hi thomas 14:44 ThomasMonroe how are you? :) 14:44 tenplus1 good ta, tinkering as always :) and you ? 14:45 ThomasMonroe good, I got basic rendering engine code laid down and a sphere rendering 14:45 tenplus1 ooh, writing your own 3d proggy ? 14:45 ThomasMonroe proggy? 14:45 ThomasMonroe https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/408782583736827906/425850494980980746/2018-03-20_21_57_22-qub3dengineApp.png 14:46 tenplus1 proggy = program (my lazy way of saying it :) 14:46 ThomasMonroe lol sounds suspiciously like froggy 14:47 tenplus1 heh 14:47 tenplus1 I finally added 'peas' to farming mod, never thought I'd get so many requests for such a simple veg. 14:48 rubenwardy > no mobs 14:48 ThomasMonroe O_o pease!? eww 14:48 rubenwardy 0/100 14:48 ThomasMonroe peas* 14:48 tenplus1 hi ruben 14:49 tenplus1 whassup ? 14:50 rubenwardy nm 14:51 tenplus1 I am however starting to add utensils, added bowl for food crafting recipes (food_bowl group) 14:51 tenplus1 Pam got back to me about using harvestcraft textures and said no, which is fine, just means I gotta crappily draw my own for other utensils and food items :D 14:57 tenplus1 wb 15:24 Fixer rubenwardy: jeez, who wants mobs... people were fine with just rails for 6 years... 15:25 tenplus1 :P 15:32 rubenwardy what are mobs actually missing? 15:33 rubenwardy it really sucks how little artists there are for FOSS games 15:34 tenplus1 they give time and effort when possible 15:34 rubenwardy less than programmers 15:34 rubenwardy purely because FOSS is more of a programmer problem 15:34 rubenwardy not a real person problem 15:34 rubenwardy ;) 15:36 tenplus1 unless you get paid to specifically do a task it's all down to time available... many of us know this :P 15:36 rubenwardy yeah 15:37 rubenwardy I do question why I give all this free labour to chinese app publishers 15:37 tenplus1 chinese app publishers ??? huh 15:38 rubenwardy add ads to Minetest, don't change much, publish 20 copies with different names 15:38 rubenwardy https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=MG17+Games 15:38 rubenwardy although that one changed a bit 15:39 tenplus1 ohhhh, the knock-off clients... gotcha 15:39 rubenwardy I issued a DMCA to them as they don't follow the LGPL license 15:39 rubenwardy although google wants me to take a picture of the code, argh 15:39 rubenwardy have to download the app again 15:39 rubenwardy hope it's not for each individual one 15:39 tenplus1 I do minetest to relax and for fun mostly, so what happens to my work afterwards is up to the users 15:40 rubenwardy there's two types of work, for me 15:40 rubenwardy 1 is the fun kind, like CTF and random modding 15:40 rubenwardy the other is the time consuming exhausting kind, the engine dev etc 15:41 rubenwardy doing the latter is partly to help the former 15:41 tenplus1 I do with my c++ skills were better, but alas I suck at coding in that area :P 15:41 rubenwardy partly because I like the project 15:42 tenplus1 yeah... mt is a good project to play with :) 15:42 rubenwardy and partly because I'm locked in a basement by Fixer 15:42 tenplus1 aww, hope he feeds you 15:43 rubenwardy occasionally 15:43 * tenplus1 tosses you some donuts n coffee 15:43 tenplus1 hi benrob 15:43 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1 15:51 rubenwardy are there any distros that provide latest stable user software, but backport only OS software? 15:51 rubenwardy Ubuntu does backport-only for all packages on LTS releases 15:51 rubenwardy whereas user software like Minetest and Firefox should be latest stable 15:51 tenplus1 I'm testing ubu 18.04 beta 1 just now on my main desktop and it's rock stable and has all new software 15:52 rubenwardy for like, 1 month 15:52 rubenwardy then it'll be out of date again 15:52 tenplus1 I havent enabled the (dev version switch) for latest packages yet, but I dare say they are all up to date 15:52 tenplus1 but you DO have the choice :) 15:53 rubenwardy right 15:53 rubenwardy the group games project is soul destroying 15:53 rubenwardy a module at my uni 15:53 rubenwardy We're using Unity, ofc 15:53 tenplus1 aww, not playing with godot 15:54 rubenwardy which is incredibly slow with obscure bugs 15:54 rubenwardy coursemates don't care about FOSS 15:54 tenplus1 they should allow you the engine of your choice so long as you can give them the final result they want 15:55 tenplus1 when I was at college they forced me to use pascal and cobol... *shudder* 15:55 rubenwardy they do 15:55 rubenwardy 99% use Unity 15:55 rubenwardy one group is using C++ and Ogre3D 15:55 rubenwardy another group is using Unreal 15:55 tenplus1 so many engines 15:55 tenplus1 which do you like best ? 15:56 rubenwardy personally think that Unity should be banned, it's really not good for programming as a team 15:56 rubenwardy for the coursework that is 15:56 tenplus1 a few pointers to your lecturer is in order 16:00 Fixer rubenwardy: and there is 3rd kind of work: minetest game development, when you already lost hope about 6 years ago 16:00 rubenwardy &probably 16:00 rubenwardy lol 16:00 tenplus1 lol 16:02 tenplus1 do you think minetest would run better using godot over irrlicht ? 16:02 rubenwardy I dislike politics, and Minetest Game is full of it 16:02 rubenwardy no 16:02 tenplus1 too much politics in the world already, keep it out of our fun times :) 16:03 rubenwardy godot isn't very good at 3d 16:03 rubenwardy although it may be better with 3.0.0 16:03 tenplus1 ahhh... 16:03 rubenwardy Calinou's the expert 16:04 rubenwardy I also not sure how much support it offers in terms of low-level mesh creation and rendering 16:04 rubenwardy ie: to do voxel efficiently 16:06 tenplus1 I dare say there's more to optimize in the mt engine itself that will speed things up and have it talk between c++ and lua better 16:06 tenplus1 it's a good challenge 16:06 rubenwardy yeah 16:07 rubenwardy I do wonder how much better the engine would be if we could require knock off apps to buy licenses or royalties or whatever 16:07 rubenwardy like, it's against the whole idea of FOSS and I wouldn't actually want it 16:07 tenplus1 again we're talking chinese knock-offs so they wont care 16:08 rubenwardy they'd legally have to otherwise DCMA. I'm talking about if the engine was proprietary, essentially 16:08 rubenwardy which, as I said, I don't want 16:08 rubenwardy OTOH, you wouldn't have got as many contributors up until now 16:08 rubenwardy I certainly wouldn't contribute to a proprietary engine 16:09 tenplus1 yeah... foss is great and if they'd ask before making a new client we'd be able tobugfix things quicker from players on those alternate clients 16:16 tenplus1 wb amaz 16:17 Amaz ty :) 16:19 benrob0329 rubenwardy: Slackware, or aBSD 16:19 benrob0329 *s BSD 16:20 benrob0329 Dangit 16:20 benrob0329 Fedora seems to have a decent mix of stable and software, it has MT 0.4.16 anyways 16:24 tenplus1 hi mister 16:24 Mr_Pardison wb 2 u 2. 16:29 * tenplus1 is drawing utensils in gimp 16:37 tenplus1 hi twoelk 16:50 tenplus1 o/ 16:52 Mr_Pardison \o/ 16:52 tenplus1 what's a better name, skillet or frying pan ??? 16:55 rubenwardy the latter, lol 16:55 tenplus1 frying pan 16:55 tenplus1 kewl 16:56 Mr_Pardison what context? 16:56 tenplus1 am gonna add cooking utensils to the farming redo mod for crafting good items 16:56 tenplus1 e.g. chopping board + melon = 8x melon slices 16:57 tenplus1 1x orange + juicer = orange juice 16:57 tenplus1 once these are in place food items can be made a lot easier 16:57 rubenwardy sounds a bit excessive for a farming mod 16:57 rubenwardy and also juicer implies modern technology 16:57 tenplus1 been wanting to add these for a while, it really will simplify food crafts 16:59 Mr_Pardison could go either way for the name 16:59 Mr_Pardison frying pan denotes something that you use to fry food in, skillet is more general cooking of food 17:00 tenplus1 ahh, in that case I'll stick with skillet 17:03 * twoelk had to go for a quick errand and waves a greeting as he returns to the kb o/ 17:03 tenplus1 o/ 17:03 twoelk :-) 17:03 * twoelk reads logs 17:04 twoelk maybe a new mod like kitchenware or cookingutils? 17:05 tenplus1 I was thinking that, but it relies heavily on having food available so adding 6 items to farming seems logical 17:05 twoelk hrm , think of the future - it will expand 17:06 tenplus1 hopefully many food packs will be made that uses the base utensils, yes 17:06 tenplus1 but for now I'm only adding the tools 17:07 twoelk just when I thought I had at least the list complete https://wiki.minetest.net/Mods/Farming_Redo 17:08 tenplus1 nice :) dont worry it's only 6 items 17:08 tenplus1 will upload changes shortly :) just finished textures... craft recipes now 17:09 twoelk btw, can I copy the first post image from the forum to the wiki? 17:13 tenplus1 yeah, thats fine :) 17:14 rubenwardy kek https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=314874 17:34 tenplus1 twoelk: Farming Redo git updated, all utensils added 17:35 tenplus1 hi richard 17:53 Fixer oh, I see a new bullshit hype emerging - raytracing to keep you folks busy 17:54 tenplus1 huh ??? 17:54 tenplus1 tiem for coffee, farming redo has many goodies added for anyone interested :) 17:54 Fixer just buy $150 000 worth of videocards to raytrace in realtime! it is new trend, you see, VR will be dead in no time ::)) 17:56 Fixer tenplus1: ditch coffee, use tea! 17:56 Fixer also, ubuntu sucks 17:57 tenplus1 what kinda tea ? 17:57 Fixer classic one 17:57 Fixer sometimes it is nice to switch to other stuff, from tea to coffee and back 17:57 sofar the not-messed-up type tea 17:58 tenplus1 lol, hi sofar 17:59 Mr_Pardison the kind that tastes good and doesn't have a bitter aftertaste. 17:59 tenplus1 earl grey is nice 17:59 sofar all tea is bitter, you just get used to it if you don't put junk in it 17:59 sofar earl gray is messed up tea 17:59 tenplus1 lol 18:00 sofar "my tea isn't flowery enough"... add flower oils -> earl grey 18:01 tenplus1 always prefered coffee over tea... the latter is bitter unless I add sugar/milk 18:01 tenplus1 hi Darcidride_ 18:02 tenplus1 o/ ssieb 18:03 Fixer I only add sugar to coffee 18:05 Fixer "Creators Update took 82 minutes on average to install" hah 18:05 tenplus1 why is windows so crappy when it comes to updates 18:06 Fixer eh, I really need stop using this shit 18:06 Fixer at least i'm on 7 18:06 Fixer tenplus1: at times I had to force reboot my 7 after waiting close to hour to install some relatively small update 18:07 Fixer their logs are criptic AF 18:08 tenplus1 I wonder how much things will change when windows core os comes out 18:08 Fixer also, that feel when Debian with tons of software takes 5GB of space and empty /windows dir sitting at 30GB 18:09 Fixer don't hold your breath :) prepare for worst 18:09 tenplus1 I tried w10 lite edition, was still huge at 18gb 18:10 Fixer lol 18:10 Fixer lite 18:10 Fixer remember lite Windows XP? 18:10 Mr_Pardison with windows, there is no such thing as lite 18:11 tenplus1 I have WinXP performance edition... 192mb iso and runs really well 18:11 Fixer past XP version are dissapointing very much 18:11 Fixer in terms of UI response, HDD response 18:11 Fixer tenplus1: there are even 50mb winxp isos... 18:11 tenplus1 oof, I wonder what's left of it... ehehe 18:12 Fixer i've used 100mb XP iso for VM to run old game 18:12 Fixer it worked 18:12 Fixer now that's impressive 18:13 tenplus1 that's the only reason I had the 192mb XP, for games that wont play ball with wine :P 18:13 Fixer some games won't run past XP unfortunately 18:14 Mr_Pardison they run towards it. 18:14 Fixer "DDoS Attacks Are $10 per Hour on the Dark Web" this is worrying 18:14 tenplus1 wow, so cheap :D 18:15 Fixer it is like kid-cheap 18:16 * tenplus1 wonders how much pocket money was spend upsetting services 18:38 Mr-Pardison what's the difference between 0.4.16 32-bit MSVC and MinGW ? 18:50 twoelk that's a secret kept by your personell windows installation 18:52 tenplus1 ? 18:53 Mr-Pardison they wiped all the data from the computer I'm using and I had to re-install MT. 18:53 tenplus1 with the update ? damn 18:54 twoelk no backups? 18:54 Mr-Pardison no this is a school computer. 18:55 twoelk :-( 18:58 * twoelk has a feeling tenplus1 counts to six in some other math than Euklid postulated 18:58 * tenplus1 thinks waht this means :P 19:01 * twoelk is running his gitpull script to update his local versions of tenplus1 mods 19:02 tenplus1 btw, if anyone can do better textures for the utensils please lemmie know 19:02 twoelk eh? why does tps-mbs need username and password? 19:03 twoelk *tps-mobs 19:03 tenplus1 isnt it a private repo 19:05 twoelk hm, 30 files changed since last pull which is only a few days back 19:05 twoelk in farming redo that is 19:07 tenplus1 hi Gael-de-Sailly 19:07 tenplus1 yup, been doing some work on farming lately :) 19:12 Mr-Pardison can you turn off chat on the android version and if so, how? 19:14 Fixer Mr-Pardison: pick any 19:22 Roger9_ hi 19:23 tenplus1 hi roger 19:23 Mr-Pardison hello Roger9_ 19:27 Roger9_ do I need to recompile Minetest if I change some shader code? 19:29 rubenwardy no 19:29 rubenwardy only if you change C++, C, or CMake 19:29 rubenwardy or if you're compiling for Android 19:30 Roger9_ where are they kept? 19:30 ThomasMonroe client/shaders 19:32 Roger9_ ah 19:35 rubenwardy kek https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19854 19:35 Mr-Pardison oh that. 19:36 Mr-Pardison person from DL was saying that earlier. 19:36 Mr-Pardison they got their shout priv revoked and then they pretty much rage quit. 19:36 Mr-Pardison TommyTreasure: ^ 19:37 Roger9_ I'm trying to think of some trivial changes I could make to the shader to improve it, but then I realized that if those trivial improvements could be made they would have already 19:43 Roger9_ I'm going to experiment with the fog system, because I think I can make it appear more natural 19:44 Roger9_ what is the fogShadingParameter in the nodes_shader/opengl_fragment.glsl? 19:44 Roger9_ nevermind, found it 19:52 Roger9_ rubenwardy: I keep changing the shader code but I don't see any changes 19:54 sfan5 are you restarting the game afterwards? 19:54 Roger9_ yes 19:55 sfan5 do you have shaders enabled? 19:55 rubenwardy do you get any erros in the console? 19:55 Roger9_ nope... whoops 19:55 rubenwardy loool 19:55 Roger9_ I didn't have shaders enabled, lol 19:56 tenplus1 back in a bit, watching show :P 19:59 Roger9_ it still doesn't seem to be doing anything 20:00 Roger9_ I'm doing a test modification of nodes_shader/opengl_fragment.glsl line 213 by setting clarity to 1.0, which if I've read the code correctly would remove fog and let you see the mapblocks/chunks as they load and unload 20:00 Roger9_ well, not unload per say as when you switch to full rendering distance you can still see them, but you get my point, hopefully 20:03 sofar or you press `r` ? 20:03 sofar or even `f3` 20:04 Roger9_ yes, `r` 20:16 IhrFussel Hello guys 20:17 Fixer hi 20:22 Roger9_ sofar: nothing seems to be changing when I modify the shader code... 20:38 Roger9_ nevermind, I figured it out 20:38 Roger9_ yay 22:07 rubenwardy hmmm https://i.rubenwardy.com/vI0Aw.png 22:08 sofar it's a trap 22:08 * Fixer hmmms too 22:10 rubenwardy would show you the UI, but it sucks 22:12 rubenwardy to do list: https://i.rubenwardy.com/kXMxr.png 22:13 Fixer rubenwardy: it looks so real on screenshot 22:13 sofar you can fix up the UI later anyway 22:13 rubenwardy yeah, focussing on the functionality 22:13 rubenwardy to do list gives idea of what's to do ;) 22:13 rubenwardy done: creating/viewing/editing/approving package meta data 22:14 rubenwardy also creating and approving releases, although no file upload yet 22:14 rubenwardy or github import 22:22 Fixer https://www.pcgamer.com/minecraft-server-drama-leads-to-a-wave-of-bomb-threats-at-uk-schools/ :D :D :D :D :D+E666 22:27 tumeninodes Fixer, the whole world is going mental. Just read that story shaking my head, wishing I could just go back to 1975 22:28 sofar ahh yes, the age of lead in gasoline and plane hijackings 22:28 tumeninodes yep..., the good ol days 22:28 Fixer lead in food you mean :D 22:29 tumeninodes I used to eat lead paint chips as a child 22:29 tumeninodes probably safer than most of the foods around today 22:30 Fixer not 22:34 Fixer you can store very illegal kinds of porno in a bitcoin blockchain rendering it possibly illegal to use in many countries 22:34 Fixer lol 22:34 Fixer that is unexpected turn 22:37 twoelk bitcoin hype seems to be somewhat over the top now 22:37 tumeninodes the plot thickens 22:43 Fixer videocard card prices are still high 22:43 Fixer very high 22:45 Roger9_ hm 22:45 Roger9_ thinking of how I could apply a fisheye effect with glsl 22:45 ThomasMonroe change the projection matrix 22:46 Roger9_ there's a uniform mat4 called mWorldViewProj 22:46 Roger9_ the 'uniform' suggests I might need to delve into C++ to see how it's handled 22:46 ThomasMonroe you don't have to do that, just ovveride it with another var 22:46 Roger9_ perhaps 22:46 ThomasMonroe and play around with transformations :D 22:47 Roger9_ I wonder what would happen if I removed the transformation - in other words, used the identity matrix 22:47 ThomasMonroe lol 22:47 ThomasMonroe a mess XD 22:48 ThomasMonroe er actually nothing at all I don't think 22:48 Roger9_ nope, actually no change 22:48 Roger9_ other than maybe a change in FOV 22:48 Roger9_ interesting 22:49 Fixer wth is this? https://i.imgur.com/xRzHBUw.png 22:50 Roger9_ a two-eyed pacman 22:50 Roger9_ wtf 22:52 Wayward_One An early Picasso 23:09 Roger9_ gl_Position is a vec2 or vec3, right? 23:09 Roger9_ for default_shader/opengl_vertex.glsl 23:11 Roger9_ ah, vec4 23:11 Roger9_ makes sense due to the projection matrix thing 23:32 Roger9_ Interesting, mapping all points to the unit sphere caused Minetest to appear to use affine texture mapping. 23:34 Roger9_ I assume this is probably because, by mapping the points to the unit sphere, every surface of every node that extends into 3D space become irregular quads 23:34 Roger9_ Not sure tho