Time Nick Message 00:02 Fixer like theeese 00:06 Fixer VanessaE: hi, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13762&p=313825#p268029 00:14 paramat shivajiva , maptools redefines cloud and removes 'is ground content = false' you'll need to readd it, however i'd still like to see a screenshot to help further 00:15 shivajiva okay thanks paramat, I'll get you a screenshot :) 00:17 paramat not sure that will fix it, but it might 00:24 shivajiva I'll certainly let you know but let me get a hole first before I change it 00:35 Fixer ipv6 adoption: 0,3% 00:35 Fixer SAD 07:28 Peppy hi 07:49 nerzhul hi Peppy 07:58 Peppy would it be hard to have rollback supporting other database engines then SQLite ? 08:02 Peppy ..the idea behind is RAM loaded rollback database for performance increase in a subgame. 08:11 Peppy or maybe, even this would not allow to get something fast enough to play 09:13 Megaf Greetings 09:13 shivajiva Hi Megaf 09:22 tenplus1 hi folks 09:22 shivajiva Hi tenplus 09:22 tenplus1 hey shiva :P 09:23 Megaf "Notifications, watching and settings are unavailable at the moment." <- So GitHub says 09:23 Megaf You what mate? 09:24 Megaf Hey tenplus1 09:24 tenplus1 hi Megaf 09:24 tenplus1 I use to get notifications when someone assed an Issue or Pull Request, doesn't happen anymore :( 09:26 Megaf Change your settings so you do then 09:26 tenplus1 they are set, it doesnt happen 09:27 * tenplus1 glares at github 09:28 Megaf deset and set it again 09:28 tenplus1 *fiddle fiddle* :P 09:34 Megaf Thinking about moving my server to 0.5... 09:34 Megaf There's some really nice stuff happening in 0.5 09:34 Megaf I want to surf in that wave 09:35 tenplus1 only issue is that anyone who runs 0.5 client can only sign onto 0.5 servers... they cant get onto anything older than that 09:38 Megaf I only have one player anyway... 09:38 tenplus1 lolz... 09:38 Megaf I can't make a nice portable build for him 09:38 tenplus1 am waiting for 0.5 stable then all my mods will have a new release 09:55 Peppy can someone help me on activating mod_profiling ? 09:56 tenplus1 add this line to minetest.conf file: mod_profiler = true 09:56 Peppy I did that 09:57 tenplus1 then once you've run minetest for a while type (in chat I assume): run /save_mod_profile 09:57 tenplus1 to save to debug.txt file 09:58 Peppy throws : invalid command 09:58 tenplus1 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14036 10:00 Peppy does Minetest need compilation options to show the command ? 10:01 tenplus1 no idea... 10:03 Peppy my bad put "mod_profiling = true" in the .conf x( 10:03 tenplus1 yeah, close minetest before editing minetest.conf tho 10:03 Peppy shure 10:06 Peppy still : -!- Invalid command : save_mod_profile 10:06 tenplus1 hrmm... it's not a feature I've actually used... 10:06 tenplus1 what ya trying to profile ? 10:07 Peppy tring to find the mods that I should throw away 10:07 tenplus1 you getting crazy lag ? 10:07 Peppy yes, the server is cheap anyway 10:08 tenplus1 which server ? will check mods for ya 10:08 shivajiva !tell paramat requested screenshot https://ibb.co/gxN8Nn 10:08 MinetestBot shivajiva: yeah, yeah 10:08 shivajiva lol 10:08 Peppy Axinite (but i'm testing on another machine) 10:08 tenplus1 wow shiva, who's the lucky player who got a mountain next to their skyblock :D 10:09 shivajiva it's the hole we are concerned with :P 10:09 Peppy Lags even with 7 users, i'm getting tired of this 10:09 tenplus1 lolol, someone else has registered with tenplus1... ahahahahaa 10:10 Peppy (most settings in minetest.conf have been reviewed already) 10:10 shivajiva what player backend are you using Peppy? 10:10 Peppy files 10:11 tenplus1 nether uses voxelmanip, that could slow things down 10:11 tenplus1 also custom games like build_battle and hdieandseek check many things 10:12 tenplus1 0.7 lag isnt TOO bad, but could be better 10:12 Peppy 1.8G CPU/ 512 Mo RAM 10:12 tenplus1 considering your specs :) 10:13 Peppy well CPU is at 98% 10:13 Peppy (with 6 users) 10:14 shivajiva 512MB of ram :O 10:15 Peppy yes, nothing I can do about it, it's not my own server 10:15 Peppy anyway, CPU is the real problem right now 10:15 shivajiva I'd expect 5 users max before it starts getting funky 10:16 Peppy I still have a small amount of free ram 10:17 Peppy dedicated_server_step at 1.12 / amb range at 1 10:17 tenplus1 that accounts for eating taking over a second :P 10:17 tenplus1 what Os are you running on server ? 10:17 Peppy Ubuntu server LTS 10:18 tenplus1 ah kewl, that parts lite enough :) 10:18 Peppy again, not my server 10:18 Peppy runs in Docker 10:19 shivajiva presumably the small memory has it swapping continually with more than 5 players 10:19 tenplus1 yup, and that's slowing it all down 10:19 Peppy no swap problems till now 10:19 tenplus1 with 512mb only to play with you should be using minimal mods 10:20 shivajiva just thinking my lua memory is often over 600MB 10:20 Peppy again, i still have a small amout of free RAM and no big swaping 10:21 Peppy but CPU still get hi 10:21 shivajiva I'm surprised it's doing so well tbh 10:21 Peppy I've optimised every bit I could in minetest.conf 10:22 Peppy maps is on leveldb 10:22 shivajiva how big is the auth file now 10:23 Peppy 2.6Mo 10:23 shivajiva ah tiny, thats good 10:23 Peppy I recently added some mods to avoid guestxxx and so on 10:23 tenplus1 kewl 10:24 shivajiva name restrictions and names per ip are both reasonable steps 10:24 Peppy mobs spawning has been reduced too 10:25 tenplus1 kewl, and latest release of mobs redo has animals spawning near grass only so they dont spawn in vast empty areas 10:25 shivajiva presumably the log is clean of errors about missing textures etc 10:25 Peppy I did this update, thanks ;) 10:26 Peppy well, I'd better not run it on verbose to check x) 10:26 tenplus1 stamina mod runs better than hudbars/hbarmor/hbhunger etc. but you use that for mana so cant really be changed 10:26 Peppy yes, too bad 10:27 Peppy mana is used for tpr/tphr /spawn /home ... 10:28 tenplus1 ahh, I like that idea 10:28 tenplus1 how do you gain mana ? 10:28 Peppy we hunt bad minetest android apps too 10:28 tenplus1 the vpn checks 10:28 Peppy with potions or custom apples 10:29 tenplus1 nice, cause many players abuse the /spawn /home -- also /kill should remove all mana I think 10:29 Peppy i'm not shure they can use /kill, i'll try 10:30 tenplus1 in the armor mod 10:30 tenplus1 it's built in 10:30 Peppy ok 10:30 tenplus1 or is it /killme 10:32 Peppy anywayn on this server cpu is at 12/16 % even with no players 10:33 tenplus1 many checks running in background 10:33 Peppy some 10:33 Peppy but minetest still is the hungy man 10:39 tenplus1 what does the fireoff mod do ? 10:39 Peppy prevents spreading 10:40 tenplus1 the actual default fire mod has an enable_fire = false setting for .conf to handle that 10:41 Peppy I know this setting, i'm not shure why this mod was made :/ 10:41 tenplus1 unless it does something specific 10:42 Peppy oh, there's an abm in fireoff 10:43 tenplus1 is babelfish translating what players type ? 10:43 shivajiva stops fire spreading I believe 10:43 Peppy interval = 1, chance = 3, action = function(pos) minetest.dig_node(pos) end 10:43 Peppy yes babelfish is great ! 10:44 tenplus1 gotta check taht mod out :) 10:46 Peppy I disable fireoff and reboot 10:47 tenplus1 mana has it;'s own hud display, doesnt require hudbars afterall (checked code) 10:48 Peppy oh, so how is it displayed ? 10:48 tenplus1 it adds it's own hud display isntead of using hudbars... kinda like default hearts/air 10:49 Peppy i should try that :) 10:49 tenplus1 I do like stamina for it's simplicity 10:50 tenplus1 and the fact you dont have to register ALL food items with it for ALL mods... it just knows 10:50 tenplus1 and still has sprint (that uses hunger) and eating animation 10:53 Peppy I must test this 11:06 Peppy testing right now, thanks for suggestions 11:08 tenplus1 also, if nether isnt that important you could disable the on_generate function at the end of the init.lua to speed things up, it'll keep any nether nodes tho 11:09 Peppy I wish I could do that :/ 11:10 tenplus1 heh, too many players like the nether huh ? :) 11:10 tenplus1 once paramat has cave biomes and decorations sorted we can have a proper nether 11:10 Peppy sure they do :D 11:11 Peppy (we have monster bosses in the nether) 11:11 tenplus1 dungeon master extreme :D 11:16 Peppy mm, axinitum apple requires hbunger :( 11:16 tenplus1 does that one heal health as well ? 11:16 Peppy it raises satiation 11:17 Peppy kind of poisounous :) 11:17 tenplus1 ahh, gotcha... only minus numbers when eating posions player... 11:18 Peppy not sure i can use negative value for item.eat 11:19 tenplus1 the apple item itself, on_use = minetest.item_eat(-5), 11:30 tenplus1 if default had built in hunger then we could do things like: on_use = minetest.item.eat(heal, hunger) 11:34 Peppy on_use has this rught now : 11:34 Peppy https://pastebin.com/D0hA81yJ 11:35 tenplus1 yes, by using your own custom function and skipping the item_eat function in default :) 11:35 Peppy adding minetest.item_eat(-5) woud not work inside it 11:35 Peppy it's not he default apple 11:36 Peppy my english is bad, I hope it's clear enough 11:36 tenplus1 :P 11:45 tenplus1 ooh, got a custom eat function that works well and letds you add mana and all sorts :P 11:48 Peppy oh 11:48 tenplus1 special items like the golden apple in ethereal, I can use this to heal all health as well as satiate hunger :D 11:49 tenplus1 speaking of which, nom time :) gonna make lunch 11:49 Peppy so do I, i'll check those gloden apples later :) 11:50 Peppy "Bon Appétit" 11:52 tenplus1 o/ fixer 11:52 Fixer hello 12:17 tenplus1 hi aerozoic 12:18 aerozoic Wazup tenplus1, another day another dollar 12:19 tenplus1 no dollars today, only mod tweaks :D 12:19 Peppy hey, I solved the problem with stamina.change(player, -1) 12:19 Megaf Peppy: You English is good enough, no worries. 12:19 tenplus1 :P forgot player name ? 12:20 Peppy works without but mana needs it 12:21 tenplus1 glad you got a fix :D 12:21 Peppy I could go with a real poisonous item but i like this one better 12:22 Peppy thank you very much for you help 12:22 tenplus1 hope it helps lag :) 12:23 Peppy i'll try this on the server tonight and I will watch the lag... 12:31 tenplus1 hi lumberJ 12:31 lumberJ hey tenplus1, hows it going? 12:32 tenplus1 good thanks, you ? 12:32 lumberJ just woke up a few minutes ago with a baby crawling all over my head 12:32 lumberJ but pretty good :) 12:32 tenplus1 ehehe, that's your alarm clock :D 12:36 lumberJ yeah, for sure 12:36 lumberJ an alarm clock that sets its self for any random hour 12:37 tenplus1 ehehehe, kids! 12:58 Megaf lumberJ: I want one of those 12:58 Megaf I heard they are great 12:58 Megaf :) 12:58 tenplus1 :P 12:58 lumberJ they aren't hard to get 12:58 Megaf Though very expensive to maintain 12:58 lumberJ but one you have one, you are stuck with it 12:58 Megaf and rather complex 12:59 lumberJ once* 13:00 Megaf Once I though I was going to get one, for a couple of weeks I was quite desperate with the idea. On the third week I was like, imagining how awesome it'd be and I was quite thriled with the idea. Then it turns out it was a false alarm... 13:01 aerozoic tenplus1, https://github.com/minetest-mods/xdecor/issues/85 13:02 Megaf If you know what I mean 13:02 lumberJ yeah, if you are ready for it, its great. we were 13:02 tenplus1 farming redo has been fixed ages ago to work with itemfgrames... also my own ite4mframes uses protection instead of ownership 13:03 tenplus1 o/ CWz 13:03 lumberJ but life is no longer the same, Megaf 13:03 aerozoic Hmm, i have a recent version of farming 13:03 CWz ello 13:04 tenplus1 you could check my gitpage for the one I use, might help: github.com/tenplus1 13:06 aerozoic tenplus1, was beanpoles fixed after you added peppers/onions? 13:06 tenplus1 yep 13:06 aerozoic oh ok, then i need to update XD 13:06 tenplus1 heh 13:06 aerozoic thanks 13:06 tenplus1 oh wait, beans/poles etc could be added to itemframes before onoins 13:07 aerozoic Oh well something is wrong because i can't add them to itemframes 13:07 tenplus1 checking now 13:08 tenplus1 grapes and beans work here in my own itemframes 13:11 aerozoic tenplus1, not grapes and beans, the issue is with trellis and beanpoles 13:11 tenplus1 oh, checking now 13:17 tenplus1 fixed! 13:30 tenplus1 hi nathan 13:30 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 13:38 aerozoic thanks tenplus1 13:38 tenplus1 working ok now ? 13:39 aerozoic I haven't tested yet, just saw your fix. 13:39 tenplus1 ehehe 13:45 tenplus1 hi srifqi 13:46 srifqi hi tenplus1 13:48 srifqi Wayward_One: Any chance I can get your "deps" folder for compiling Minetest for Android? 13:49 srifqi ... or maybe others have it? 13:51 srifqi tenplus1: playin Minetest rn? 13:51 tenplus1 I was, why ? :P 13:53 srifqi Ah, I thought we can play together. :| 13:54 tenplus1 you on xanaadu just now ? 13:54 tenplus1 brb , rebooting 13:56 tenplus1 back :P 13:56 srifqi wb 13:56 tenplus1 openbox desktop down to 144mb 13:56 srifqi tenplus1: No, I haven't played for some times. Just want to play it. :P 13:57 tenplus1 will sign on and see if Shinji has applied update :P 13:58 srifqi What update? 13:58 tenplus1 farming changes, added hemp block and stairs 14:03 Fixer in a new economy, another day, another half dollar 14:34 tenplus1 hey Krock 14:34 Krock hi tenplus1 14:34 Fixer BUT WE HAD KELP FIRST 14:34 tenplus1 heh yeah, mt has had underwater features for some time now 14:38 Fixer tenplus1: they actually fixed what was my concern for long time - aka slabs/stair in/near water 14:39 tenplus1 in mt or mc ? 14:40 Fixer mt 14:40 tenplus1 how so ? they have air bubbles still 14:41 Fixer i mean that was fixed in mc, but not in mt 14:41 tenplus1 ah yes... was hoping for some sort of special nodebox that has a water overlay 14:42 Fixer we need that too 14:42 tenplus1 we have the plantlike_water drawtype but that's still iffy 14:45 Fixer minecraft is getting insanely complex 14:45 tenplus1 sadly yes, and you will need a more powerful pc to handle it 14:45 Fixer yep 14:45 Fixer my ancient GPU handles beta just fine 14:46 Fixer 1.12 works, but sometimes it is gets low on VRAM I guess and there big fps drops when scene gets too big 14:46 tenplus1 my net-top cant run it at all properly, stutters everywhere on an nvidia ion 14:46 tenplus1 that's how I ended up on Minetest :D 14:47 Fixer tenplus1: eh, buy that new AMD 2200G or what in minicase, will be excellent miniPC 14:47 tenplus1 lol, not gonna happen :) 14:48 tenplus1 will forever tweak minetest so it runs well on my wee desktop :D 14:48 Fixer tbf, minetest gets same slowdowns as in minecraft 1.12, too complex scene that don;t fit in vram I guess with fps going from 80 to 8. 14:49 tenplus1 yeah, depending on how many faces or entities we have loaded in area 14:49 Fixer apart from that 1.12 and minetest has niice fps 14:50 tenplus1 and with new shaders making what you see more realistic, and able to be disabled :) heh 14:52 Fixer i've played mc with shaders on $200 GPU, fps was quite low, near 30-40-50 14:53 Fixer also, bloom sucks 14:53 tenplus1 ehehhe... never used it really 14:53 tenplus1 I not get 45fps at spawn in xanadu with 18.04 update... 14:54 tenplus1 before it was around 25-30 only 15:11 tenplus1 wb 15:12 srifqi ty 15:13 * Megaf waves 15:13 tenplus1 :P 15:14 Megaf Boi, this new earphones from SONY I got 15:14 Megaf how lovely the 8 Hz BASS 15:14 tenplus1 ooh, they got a good range :PP 15:14 Calinou you can't hear 8 Hz though 15:14 Calinou not even a baby can 15:14 Megaf Actually I didn't believe the specs, 8Hz to 20 Hz 15:14 Calinou (infrasounds can be dangerous btw) 15:14 Megaf so I went there and tested with some sweet sinewaves 15:15 tenplus1 hi Cal... 15:15 Calinou hi :) 15:15 Megaf I could feel up to 3 Hz 15:15 Megaf down to I mean 15:15 tenplus1 my yamaha dsp speakers and headset can do 20hz to 20khz 15:15 Megaf I hear down to around 15 Hz 15:15 Megaf feel your eeardrums moving at 3 Hz, sweet 15:16 tenplus1 how loud you got them playing :PP 15:16 Megaf you just feel the pressure really, live a bud pushing and pulling 15:16 Megaf also, the sweetest thing for a geek with a decent pair of earphones is. Let me show ya 15:16 tenplus1 neighbors prolly think there's an earthquake happening 15:18 Megaf Watch in the highest quality you can. Liftof around 10:00 min mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7uQ8OWiheM 15:18 Megaf Please use very cood headphones/earphones 15:18 Megaf it's recorded with binaural microphones, so it is like you are there 15:19 tenplus1 some amazing binaural beats out there :) 15:19 Megaf It's from the same guy from SmarterEveryDay 15:19 tenplus1 o/ 15:20 Megaf Mindblowing sound at 10:17 15:20 Megaf in-ear earphones will blow your mind at 10:17 15:20 Megaf Why do I want a 8 Hz earphone? Because of that! 15:21 tenplus1 ooh, now that's bass 15:25 * benrob0329 sighs at comments in new sneak thread 15:25 tenplus1 hi benrob 15:25 tenplus1 what's happening ? 15:25 benrob0329 Frankly, people jumping to conclusions, and people talking down to sneak supporters us wrong 15:26 benrob0329 *is 15:26 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7107#issuecomment-371739030 15:26 tenplus1 o.O another argument over features... 15:26 benrob0329 tenplus1: its not supposed to be 15:27 benrob0329 But people can't seem to get it through their head how to have a reasonable discussion 15:28 benrob0329 "MA SNEEEK" is just as bad as "Stop relying on these damn bugs" 15:28 tenplus1 lol 15:29 benrob0329 We need to make the new movement code just as much, if not more fun than the old 15:29 Megaf https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7107#issuecomment-371845331 15:29 Megaf my comment 15:30 benrob0329 If your gameplay is centered around limiting the player's movement, you're doing it wrong 15:30 Megaf tenplus1: that music 15:30 * benrob0329 smacks megaf 15:31 benrob0329 Read the dam comments and first post 15:31 Megaf benrob0329: my gameplay is around freeing players 15:31 Megaf not limiting 15:31 Megaf sneak limits what they can do 15:31 Megaf or the lack of 15:31 benrob0329 Your post is as bad as thiers 15:31 benrob0329 Its not about old sneak, please read 15:32 * tenplus1 introduces wheelchairs for all and ramps 15:33 benrob0329 I will not have more people jumping to conclusions on a sneak thread 15:33 benrob0329 Its not fair to those who actually want to make movement better 15:33 Megaf comment deleted 15:34 * Megaf have no idea what it's been talked about 15:34 * Megaf goes back to adding stuff to mt website 15:35 benrob0329 Megaf: Github is either lying to you or me 15:35 Megaf benrob0329: it was lying to me, check again 15:36 Megaf my point was valid tho, maybe just unrelated :P 15:46 Megaf Calinou: infrasounds dengerous? How so? 15:51 * tenplus1 searches for a good movie to watch 15:54 Krock tenplus1, Uno The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN-bvbdUc8E 15:54 tenplus1 nuuuuuuuuuu 15:55 Megaf blah ^ 15:55 Krock 9.7 IMDb rating 15:56 Megaf !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ_jGGD-DX8 15:56 MinetestBot Megaf: Why Planes Crash. - YouTube 15:56 Megaf lol ^ Because gravity 15:56 Megaf tenplus1: still more efficient than Minetest 15:56 * Megaf hides 15:56 tenplus1 lol 15:58 tenplus1 to be fair, my memory consumption running minetest on desktop is only 460mb 16:00 Megaf tenplus1 join this then 16:00 benrob0329 Megaf: valid point, sure. But not one that isnt well known :-) 16:00 Megaf !server Megaf 16:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/20, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.17-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 15ms 16:00 Megaf oh, theres someone there already, will join too 16:01 tenplus1 gonna watch the new "Murder on the Orient Express" :) might be good 16:02 tenplus1 crap, forgot your server has so much media to load 16:03 tenplus1 worst thing is, I haev a 50mb cable line and it;s so slooooooow to load 16:05 Megaf shouldnt be so slow tenplus1 16:05 Megaf just joined use my colleges wifi, 16:05 Megaf loaded ok 16:06 Megaf tenplus1: believe it or not I already did a big cleanup in mods and reduced media a lot 16:06 Megaf tenplus1: you lcoming at tenplus1? 16:07 tenplus1 it stalled, had to close mt and try again 16:07 benrob0329 Its been over a month since my Illuna video, and I'm still pretty happy with it 16:08 tenplus1 :P you make good videos benrob 16:08 benrob0329 Few things I see now that I would try to do better though :D 16:10 Krock tenplus1, possibly because there are so many small files 16:10 benrob0329 tenplus1: I just have a strong tendency to see all the issues with my videos a few months after I post them :P 16:10 benrob0329 Tar'ing media might be a good idea 16:11 tenplus1 any way to load it quicker would be a good thing :D 16:11 tenplus1 can load just as fast from an uncompressed tar file 16:11 benrob0329 Heck, might be able to stream the files into a tar irt 16:12 benrob0329 To avoid data duplication 16:13 benrob0329 Or maybe downloading files as needed 16:13 benrob0329 So you load sounds first, and textures have a loading placeholder 16:14 benrob0329 Each texture wouldn't take long to load, but you would need a bit at first 16:15 Krock Megaf, in what channels is someone not welcome? (regarding web PR) 16:16 Megaf Krock: open to suggestions :) 16:16 Krock Main channel for general game and engine discussion or support. 16:17 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/LhE7-jK6Iu8 16:17 benrob0329 I dont want this PR to die :-( 16:18 benrob0329 I love it, more than the classically implemented shadows kilbith started on 16:19 benrob0329 The lighting fits, it does the job, and it look great 16:19 benrob0329 It works with the rest of Minetest 16:20 Calinou https://lut.im/OHyRVzKtHs/J4a14rZtwd2FgNRX.png 16:20 Calinou hah 16:20 Megaf is that a shader benrob0329? 16:21 Megaf I mean, a new one 16:21 benrob0329 Megaf: yes, a PR for dynamic based lighting 16:21 benrob0329 Been around for a while now 16:21 Krock > including Minecraft version 16:21 benrob0329 >only including mtg 16:21 tenplus1 maxed out at 1130mb usage when connected 16:21 Krock > probably comparing with Minetest Vanilla 0.4.11 16:21 tenplus1 brb, food 16:21 Megaf You could have put the PR link in hte description benrob0329 16:21 rubenwardy including the minecraft version implies they're gonna compare the games 16:21 benrob0329 Megaf: I did iirc 16:21 Megaf nope 16:21 benrob0329 Oh wait, moment 16:22 Megaf you just assumend everyone in the world knows PR#number 16:22 Krock Megaf, you don't? bad. bad. 16:22 Krock *shakes head slowly* 16:24 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6165 16:24 rubenwardy #6165 16:24 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6165 -- Time-of-day-dependent face shading, specular lighting by kaadmy 16:25 benrob0329 Added to decrip too 16:26 benrob0329 So sad that the whole thing was dropped by the author because of kilbith's comments 16:34 tenplus1 in the end we're all just human 16:35 * Megaf hides 16:35 Megaf "we" 16:35 Megaf "all" 16:35 Megaf "human" 16:35 tenplus1 apart from the odd bot :P 16:36 tenplus1 wb 16:37 benrob0329 I dont understand, I can put my laptop to sleep and it won't disconnect but I even look at my phone wrong and it drops 16:38 tenplus1 what kinda phone u got ? 16:38 rubenwardy phones are more energy saving 16:38 rubenwardy so they tend to turn off the internet most of the time in standby, then only connect at periods 16:38 benrob0329 s5 running LineageOS 16:38 rubenwardy https://medium.com/@sauge16/how-to-handle-alarm-in-all-android-version-e7aca16ae885 16:38 benrob0329 I'm on WiFi though 16:39 rubenwardy still intensive 16:39 Megaf 16:37 [off] Murder on the Orient Express (2017)" is pretty good so far :D 16:39 * Megaf puts eye patch on 16:39 rubenwardy https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*6T__REHvyrCNCZZZ0gaScg.png 16:39 Fixer except ZUCC 16:39 rubenwardy it also pauses services, not just network 16:40 rubenwardy so things will run less, usually only during the maintenance window 16:40 tenplus1 did it drop connection before you put lineageOs on it ? 16:40 rubenwardy which IRC doesn't like, given it's a protocol which requires a consistent connection 16:40 benrob0329 Hmm, maybe IRC needs a connection revival command 16:40 tenplus1 no way to increase irc timeout range ? 16:40 Megaf benrob0329: I can stay almost 2 minutes unplugged and it reconnects 16:40 Megaf thanks to TCP 16:41 celeron55 irc timeout is up to the client and the server 16:41 Megaf it's just your IRC client timing out instead of trying to resend the packets 16:41 rubenwardy rather than other messagers, where the messages are on the server and you basically poll every so often 16:41 celeron55 whichever first decides the connection is dead causes the timeout 16:41 benrob0329 So, we just need better clients 16:41 celeron55 and they don't negotiate 16:41 Megaf freenode has a pretty generous timeout 16:41 celeron55 as a result the timeout depends on the network and even on which specific server of the network you happen to connect 8) 16:43 Krock o/ celeron55 16:44 celeron55 i just got a used xperia x and installed sailfish x on it 16:45 Megaf what you think about sailfish? 16:45 celeron55 it doesn't have that android standby stuff 8) 16:45 celeron55 doesn't really matter as i use a bouncer anyway but whatever 16:45 celeron55 well, my SIM is 15 years old and i have never plugged it in an android, windows or an iOS device 16:45 celeron55 nokia -> symbian -> sailfish 16:46 tenplus1 am looking forward to the new librem phone 16:46 celeron55 can't really compare 16:46 celeron55 this is my fourth sailfish phone, i keep breaking screens and none of the three previous devices have had screens available 16:47 celeron55 this one does, so i can replace it! 16:47 * tenplus1 has a cheat Lenovo B vibe phone, if it breaks it's cheap enough to replace 16:48 Megaf celeron55: I've thrown my Razr I to the concrete floor 2 times, to a wall once and closed a card door on it once too 16:48 Megaf and several drops from various hights 16:48 Megaf still perfect 16:48 Megaf barerly scratched 16:48 celeron55 well, so? doesn't help me 16:48 Megaf it does, stop getting bad quality phones and get something solid 16:48 tenplus1 bubble wrap :D 16:49 celeron55 :D this is the only device with official sailfish support today 16:49 Megaf the new S9 is absolutely crap as well 16:49 celeron55 similarly the previous ones have been at the time of purchase 16:49 celeron55 it's an easy choice every time 16:49 tenplus1 my bro had a Meizo MX4 with ubuntu touch on it :) was a really nice phone 16:49 tenplus1 once it hit otr8 it ran smooth 16:51 celeron55 probably wouldn't recommend this OS to anyone, but i like it 16:51 tenplus1 sailfish ? 16:52 celeron55 the thing about it is that it's gnu/linux and does most things like a desktop distro does, aside from the graphical environment which is incompatible with desktop stuff 16:53 Megaf celeron55: Sailfish support and unbreakable screen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X_Force 16:53 tenplus1 hopefully librem will do better 16:53 Megaf https://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo-2/orig-development/kinzie-sailfishos-t3664787/ 16:53 * tenplus1 is eager for a proper linux phone 16:53 celeron55 Megaf: official support with alien dalvik licensing? 16:54 Megaf community support 16:54 celeron55 i only take official 16:54 Megaf !title https://www.wired.com/2015/11/the-droid-turbo-2-is-almost-unbreakable-heres-how-motorola-did-it/ 16:55 MinetestBot Megaf: The Droid Turbo 2 Is (Almost) Unbreakable. Here's How Motorola Did It | WIRED 16:55 tenplus1 sounds like click bait :D 16:56 Megaf not worht clicking I think 16:56 Fixer eh 16:56 Megaf now, totally worth is searching unbrakable motorola in youtube and seeing everyone trying to break the screen and failing 16:56 Fixer I have sim that is probably even older than 15 years, I ditched it though 16:57 Megaf some destroy the phone and the screen still good 16:58 celeron55 i'll just stick a few plastic screen protectors on this and it'll last 16:58 celeron55 the thing about the jolla 1 and the intex aqua fish was that you couldn't even get screen protectors for them 16:58 tenplus1 get a flip cover that protects all sides of the phone 16:58 celeron55 i don't like those 16:59 celeron55 they get in the way 17:00 tenplus1 lol, takes 2 seconds to flip it open :) 17:01 Megaf OH BOY! benrob0329 17:01 Megaf https://forum.xda-developers.com/razr-i/development/rom-unofficial-cyanogenmod-11-t2966855 17:02 Megaf should I try that? 17:02 tenplus1 wasnt cyanogen mod discontinued ? 17:03 Megaf that thins is LineageOS actually 17:03 Megaf !title 17:03 MinetestBot Megaf: [ROM][Kitkat/Nougat] Unofficial LineageOS | Motorola RAZR i 17:03 Megaf 14.1 17:04 Megaf equivalent to Android 7.1 17:05 Megaf Need one of these https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_4_xt894-4418.php 17:05 Megaf full querty keyboard 17:05 Megaf with normal arrow keys 17:07 Megaf btw, laptop batery almost empty. so if I don't talk anymore that's why 17:07 tenplus1 you got linux on your laptop ? 17:09 tenplus1 if so, install 'powertop', a great little utility that forces every device/sensor to save pwoer when not in use... am getting up to 15 hours on my laptop wit hit 17:10 Fixer what laptop 17:10 Fixer ? 17:10 Megaf tenplus1: not in this one, and I do have powerop 17:10 tenplus1 I have an Acer Cloudbook 14... 12 hrs normal battery life, but with powertop it goes up :D 17:10 Megaf right now I'm on my MacBook Pro 13" Mid 2010, downgraded recently to macOS Sierra from High Sierra 17:11 tenplus1 new macos is kinda dodgy 17:11 Fixer lol, cloudbook 17:12 tenplus1 it's a great wee laptop with Xubuntu 17.10 on it 17:12 tenplus1 no sound, no moving parts, very stable and runs cool 17:12 Megaf my macbook pro has almost no mooving parts, only a single fan 17:12 tenplus1 +100... is the way to go for long lasting tech 17:14 Megaf meh, 2:52 hours on battery and Im down to 2% already 17:14 benrob0329 Megaf: I quite like it 17:14 tenplus1 was that the same laptop you were having issues with nvidia on ? 17:14 Megaf ok, CPU was very busy most of the time doing youtube in HD and google music, and screen brightness was set to maximum, but still not a lot of time... 17:14 Megaf tenplus1: yep 17:14 benrob0329 Its a it to flash a ROM for the first time, but its pretty easy once you do it 17:14 Megaf runs great with macOS Sierra and crap with High Sierra 17:15 * benrob0329 notes that this may be too much offtopic 17:15 tenplus1 easier to keep sierra on it for now... 17:15 Megaf benrob0329: I already have TRWP (custom recovery) unlocked bootloader and rooted room :) 17:15 Megaf ROM* 17:15 Megaf we -Chat for off topic... 18:18 tenplus1 *chirp* 18:22 sofar are we twitter now? :P 18:22 tenplus1 listening to the crickets :) heyas 18:22 sofar at this time of year they should still be mostly dead 18:23 sofar if you have crickets right now you're either on vacation or the 3rd plague is happening 18:23 tenplus1 eaten with a nice ciante 18:23 sofar chianti? 18:24 tenplus1 oops, missed the h 18:24 tenplus1 brb, relogging 18:25 Peppy hey sofar, i've just installed your stamina mod 18:25 tenplus1 on IceWM session now 18:32 Fixer mmm, icewm 18:33 tenplus1 been playing with a few lite wm's and so far IceWM seems to be the best for features and memory usage 18:33 Megaf back 18:33 tenplus1 wb 18:33 Megaf at home, charging battery now 18:42 Megaf So, I just tried to set up Microsoft OneDrive software here on my macOS 18:43 Megaf this is what I get when choosing a folder where I want it to be (my home ~) "Try a different location. Make sure that the location isn't on a removable drive, or on a disk that has a case-sensitive format." 18:43 tenplus1 erk 18:43 Megaf Microsoft will never fail to impress and surprise me, never think it can't get even worse and more stupid than it's already is 18:44 tenplus1 dont give up yet, core Os is on it's way :D 18:44 Megaf In case someone don't get it, my mac FS is case sensitive, as any decent FS should be 18:46 benrob0329 Megaf: even NTFS is iirc 18:46 benrob0329 Solution: dont use onedrive 18:46 Megaf I don't think it is 18:46 Megaf I need this because I need word ms office stuff, and I use their online version, which actually kinda works 18:47 Megaf and I need that because LibreOffice, WPS Office, Google Docs and Microsoft Office totally disagree on how an Microsoft OpenXML .docx file should look like 18:47 Megaf the bloody thing is already OPEN! 18:47 Megaf yet nobody can make it work 18:48 benrob0329 Solution: use HTML, Markdown, RST, or PDF 18:49 benrob0329 Or LaTeX -> PDF if you're feeling fancy 18:49 Megaf benrob0329: need .docx for curriculum stuff and stupid recruiters who demand it to be .doc 18:49 benrob0329 I hate MS office docs 18:49 Megaf for college I already do most of the stuff in LibreOffice and then just PDF 18:50 benrob0329 Hell, Epub would be more standard than doc/x 18:50 Calinou all recruiters I've dealt with were ok with PDF 18:50 Calinou in fact, .doc/.docx resumes are frowned upon here 18:51 Calinou (not for freedom reasons, though) 18:56 Megaf .doc(x) is a joke 18:56 Megaf all because people want more and more fancy and useless stuff and features 18:56 Megaf just bloated and messy 18:56 Megaf like we are doing with minetest 18:57 Megaf .doc never followed a clear standard, incompatible versions even between .doc versions and word versions 18:57 Megaf also like we are doing in minetest 18:57 Megaf I better stop 18:57 * Megaf begins to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F355 18:58 Krock ^ relevant 18:59 Megaf Krock: what's relevant? My criticism with docs and it's similarities to the same mistakes we are doing in mt? 18:59 tenplus1 brb 18:59 rubenwardy frankly, I personally wouldn't apply to somewhere that requires docx 18:59 rubenwardy it doesn't bode well for their technical competence 19:00 tenplus1 IceWM desktop 141mb 19:02 Megaf Also, I can't satle on the text editor I want to use 19:03 Megaf libreoffice has the feautures I like and want to use, but it sucks, it crashes often, it's slow and the interface is not optimal 19:03 Megaf Google Docs is amazing, lovely and clean interface, practical, but lack a lot of things and the exporter is not that good 19:03 Megaf Word Online is fine, tho is proprietary 19:04 Megaf WPS is almost perfect, tho is proprietary 19:04 Megaf so I fallback mostly to Google Docs 19:04 tenplus1 google docs is nice, until you piss off google then you get locked out from all your files 19:04 Megaf nah, they like me 19:05 Megaf I'm a subscriber, I give them money every month 19:05 Megaf for 100 GB of storage 19:05 Megaf tho somehow I have 40 GB of free storage in OneDrive 19:14 MinetestBot paramat: Mar-09 10:08 UTC requested screenshot https://ibb.co/gxN8Nn 19:15 paramat shivajiva thanks can you measure the edges of the hole? 80 nodes? (or equal to your set chunksize?) also please link to the generating code 19:17 paramat actually if you have 4 islands per mapchunk i can see the hole is not a mapchunk 19:17 paramat oops 19:17 paramat just saw the comment 80x80 19:17 Megaf Hi paramat, 19:20 Krock Megaf, forgot to add the sarcasm modifier to my last message. The wikipedia article came out of context :D 19:21 Megaf Krock: the wikipedia article was the most relevant part of the whole thing for sure 19:21 Krock ok 19:21 Megaf hey RobbieF 19:21 Megaf tenplus1: you failed paramat and RobbieF 19:21 RobbieF hey megaf! 19:21 Megaf also, welcome back 19:22 tenplus1 hey paramat and robbief :) 19:22 tenplus1 sorry guys, editing settings file for icewm :D was tinkering 19:22 RobbieF hey tenplus1 19:23 tenplus1 o/ hows things 19:23 RobbieF great man! busy busy 19:23 Megaf Calinou: from I could gather infrasound can be dengerous if played loudly on powerful woofer 19:23 RobbieF tonight is a turtlecoin typhoon which I'm livestreaming 19:23 Calinou it depends on the volume 19:23 Calinou (of course) 19:23 Megaf it vibrates stuff in your body and you can't hear it, you just gets the disconfort 19:23 Megaf I'm using earphones 19:24 Megaf and boi, listening to some 19 Hz now, I feel like my bed is actually shaking 19:24 Fixer turtlecoin? 19:24 Megaf and I'm using earphones 19:24 Megaf RobbieF: kool bro, what's the channel? 19:24 tenplus1 you out with the handycam recording it ? 19:25 Megaf infrasound thingy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hZGh7Ndms 19:25 Megaf I can hear that 19:25 tenplus1 le click 19:25 tenplus1 same 19:25 tenplus1 funky lion too 19:26 RobbieF Megaf join chat.turtlecoin.lol and type !tag typhoon in #general 19:26 Megaf .lol? 19:27 RobbieF :) Yep 19:29 Megaf I'm must be an alien, not only I can hear infrasound and see near infra red, I enjoy listening to infrasound 19:31 tenplus1 Megaf: you ever tried any of the tetrachromacy tests on youtube ??? 19:31 Megaf most are fake and clickbait 19:31 tenplus1 heh true 19:33 Megaf tenplus1: I chalenge you to find a legit test on the webz 19:33 tenplus1 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwil0vrA_d_ZAhUILcAKHYBYCJ0QFggoMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.xrite.com%2Fhue-test&usg=AOvVaw2eCdKCdwyunMw5Vb33kV8x 19:34 Megaf tenplus1: you mean https://www.xrite.com/hue-test 19:34 tenplus1 yup, my bad :D 19:34 tenplus1 pantone has their own test 19:34 Megaf Googles bad actually 19:34 Megaf I see what you did there, DuckDuckGo doesn't do that AFAIK 19:36 Megaf tenplus1: can you translate to Megafiness? Drag and drop the colors in each row to arrange them by hue color 19:36 Megaf what does that even means? 19:36 tenplus1 put them in order so they blend from one to the other (1st and last is fixed) 19:38 Megaf so an order where floowing but the least amount of contrast 19:38 tenplus1 yup... I got 0 (all in order) 19:39 rubenwardy HA 19:39 Megaf Score: 0 19:39 Megaf About your score: A lower score is better, with ZERO being a perfect score. The circle graph displays the regions of the color spectrum where your hue discrimination is low. 19:39 rubenwardy Best Score for your Gender -2147483648 19:39 rubenwardy Worst Score for your Gender 2147483647 19:39 tenplus1 :P 19:39 rubenwardy that's max and min integers 19:40 Megaf Best Score for your Gender -1488 19:40 Krock Score: 0 19:40 Megaf ok, so we all have supervision 19:40 tenplus1 yaay! 19:40 Megaf or the test is totally non legit 19:41 Krock same best/worst numbers here too xD 19:41 Megaf I think the score doesnt consider age 19:41 Megaf I'm in the 30-39 range 19:42 Megaf actually 19:42 Megaf Best Score for your Gender -1488 19:42 Megaf Worst Score for your Gender 16021602 19:42 rubenwardy how can you get a negative score, if lower is better and 0 is best? 19:42 rubenwardy stupid site 19:42 Krock rubenwardy, missing server-side validation 19:43 paramat enough offtopic :] please use chat channel 19:43 Krock k chief 19:43 tenplus1 lol 19:43 Megaf paramat: we can't, tenplus1 can't handle 2 channels at the same time 19:43 * Megaf hides tenplus1 19:45 Megaf paramat: what's your score in the test? 19:45 Krock when #minetest and #minetest-hub aren't enough 19:53 * tenplus1 doesnt see the point joining 2 rooms that essentially have the same people in them o.O 19:57 Megaf tenplus1: you can chat in one and can't in another 19:57 Peppy same people ? it says 60 here and 171 there ... 19:57 tenplus1 Peppy: that's in #minetest... 19:59 Peppy anyway, I installed stamina mod and it looks it's a bit less cpu hungry 19:59 tenplus1 kewl, glad to hear :) 20:00 tenplus1 mana showing ok ? 20:00 Peppy can't get sprint to work though (works local) 20:00 Peppy I had to change mana position on the hud but ok 20:00 tenplus1 while walking hold E (fastmode)... if you already have 'fast' priv you will zoom, anyone else will spring 20:00 rubenwardy Peppy: I have an optimised fork 20:00 rubenwardy of sprint 20:01 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/tree/master/mods/sprint 20:02 Peppy tenplus1 : i tried this, something is different on local, i'll investigate 20:03 Peppy rubenwardy : i might try this, the idea is to keep thing minimal as we have cpu issues on cheap server 20:04 rubenwardy !mod stamina 20:04 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Armor Stats HUD for Stamina [armor_stats] by mtango688 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14493 20:04 rubenwardy !mod [stamina] 20:04 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Stamina [stamina] - hunger, exhaustion by sofar - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=19675 20:04 rubenwardy huh, doesn't add sprint 20:05 Megaf how do I switch to a tag with git again? 20:05 rubenwardy git checkout TAG 20:05 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest-mods/stamina/blob/master/init.lua#L24 20:06 rubenwardy ah, right 20:06 rubenwardy sprint only adds a sprint bar 20:06 rubenwardy whereas stamina adds hunger and stuff too 20:06 Peppy ho, it does for me on local, I can't find some other activated mod would do this :/ 20:06 rubenwardy so it's probably better to use stamina if you want hunger too 20:07 tenplus1 and you dont have to register every food item with stamina cause it just works 20:08 rubenwardy I wrote register_on_item_eat for that exact purpose 20:08 rubenwardy and do_item_eat 20:09 Megaf 20:05 git checkout TAG 20:09 Peppy i've juste double checked, new word, no other mod, stamina mod does sprint with E (even with no fast priv) 20:09 Megaf first thing I tried 20:09 Megaf didnt seem to work tho 20:10 rubenwardy git fetch? 20:11 Peppy I still have to find why it doesn't sprint on the server 20:11 Megaf maybe, 20:11 Megaf Peppy: maybe you dont have the priv needed 20:11 Megaf not all servers allow sprinting 20:12 Megaf you need fast to sprint 20:12 Megaf check with /privs 20:12 tenplus1 nope, not on stamina 20:12 Peppy no I dont 20:12 tenplus1 'fast' lets you zoom as normal, without it you sprint and it uses stamina to do so 20:12 Peppy it sprints without fast priv on local 20:12 Peppy anyway, I changed key for zoom 20:15 Peppy mmm, it happens to sprint with E without priv only in single player :/ 20:16 tenplus1 works on xanadu 20:16 Peppy ho no, i'm wrong, works too 20:17 tenplus1 is lag affecting sprint ? 20:17 Peppy so, with stamina mod, no need to have fast priv 20:18 tenplus1 it'll check if you are admin and have 'fast' so you can still zoom around 20:18 Peppy on the server I can't say, sprint wouldn't work 20:19 Peppy I removed my fast priv on the server 20:20 Peppy wouldn't help (and I did change my zoom key, not to interfere) 20:28 tenplus1 nite folks o// 20:50 Megaf according to this I'm tetra thingy, the one with 4 colour thingys in the eye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fznrUsCQLGA 20:50 Megaf !title 20:50 MinetestBot Megaf: Do You Have SUPER Color Vision? - YouTube 21:42 RobbieF later all!! 21:42 shivajiva o/ 21:45 Fixer o\ 22:04 Megaf It's official, I'm going to the sun https://i.imgur.com/xGsyvZy.png 22:05 paramat nice 22:05 Calinou WELCOME INTO THE SUN 22:06 Calinou (it's the name of a song I have in my local library) 22:06 Fixer heh 22:06 Fixer har har 22:10 Krock Megaf, mans not hot 22:11 Krock (it's the name of a son I have in my local bookmarks) 22:11 Krock s/son/song/ 22:45 Fixer damn, gnome title bars are just huuuuuge 22:47 Calinou Fixer: you can make them more compact using tweaks/themes 22:48 Fixer Calinou: it is like 10 years passed, i see no gnome tablets, so why they keep this insanity? 22:53 Fixer i imagine they have next mantra, but but there are some notebooks that have touch screens!111 22:54 Roger9 what is stepheight? 22:54 Roger9 obj:get_properties().stepheight 22:54 rubenwardy how high they can step - ie: go up without jumping 22:54 rubenwardy I think 22:55 rubenwardy hmmm 22:55 Roger9 I want to offset the player 22:59 rubenwardy so, 75 PRs in a few months? 22:59 rubenwardy wrong chan 23:00 paramat yes stepheight is how high player can step up without jumping 23:01 paramat default 0.6 23:04 * rubenwardy runs ln -s /home/ruben/dev/minetest-stable/mods /home/ruben/.minetest/mods 23:14 celeron55 https://i.imgur.com/vW91TQq.jpg 23:16 rubenwardy lol 23:18 paramat looks like MT shaders =) 23:23 Calinou paramat: and 0.2 while in air 23:23 Calinou (unlike Minecraft which doesn't have airstepping) 23:26 celeron55 (that's one reason why minecraft's movement feels so janky) 23:41 Fixer bloom is worst 23:44 DI3HARD139 Quick and random question. Any way to fix "2018-03-09 18:43:58: ERROR[Main]: Irrlicht: Switch to fullscreen: The graphics mode is not supported."? 23:57 Fixer Calinou: how is that Manjaro going?