Time  Nick          Message
01:27 Shara         Hmmm.... http://gingercat.tk/dg/MT_butterfly.gif
01:40 paramat       nice
01:42 Sokomine      looks surprisingly good for such a tiny texture
01:42 Shara         Came out better than I expected
01:43 Shara         (It is realy just half a firefly painted purple...)
01:47 Wayward_One   Looks great!
01:49 paramat       i feel each wing being 3*2px (with the lower outer corner missing) might work well too
01:49 Shara         Idea would be to have them occasionally show up above a flower
01:50 Shara         paramat: maybe, I'm not too sure though. Relative to the flower, I don't know if they should be bigger
01:51 Shara         At least with two pixels per wing you represent each part of the wing
01:51 Shara         Entending the length might not look right, but I'll hav e aplay around with it at some point
01:54 Shara         wondering what use they could have...
02:02 paramat       'looking cute'
02:04 Shara         Hehe :D
03:12 Sokomine      there are so many nice boxes in inside the box. and then..it turns out they're parcours, deliberately focussing on jumping and making it difficult on purpose :-(
05:55 sofar         Sokomine: if you want boxes without any jumping, you're going to likely have to build them.
11:36 lisac         hey is it possible to establish a moderated community server for server media?
11:36 lisac         which contains most used mods?
11:37 lisac         so that client doesn't have to download a copy of the mods every time it joins, if another server is already using that version of that mod
11:37 lisac         and somehow restrict people from uploading malware to it, maybe require the mod to be in the mod releases
11:42 * Krock       pokes sofar
11:43 Krock         lisac, there we go https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18951
11:43 lisac         ow great
11:44 Krock         however, I'm not sure whether the client will fall back to the regular method if a mod isn't on the public remote server (I hope so!)
11:45 Krock         "Files that are not present will be fetched the usual way."~minetest.conf.example   sounds good
13:33 tenplus1      hi folks
13:41 Raven262      Hi ten
13:41 tenplus1      hey Raven :)
13:42 Krock         hi tenplus1
13:42 tenplus1      hi Krock :P
13:42 Krock         ^^
13:42 * tenplus1    is watching a Minetesdt Skyblock youtube :) quite good
13:43 tenplus1      although it shows all too well the android infinite placement bug (no range)
13:50 tenplus1      infinite range when placing nodes shoudl I say
13:53 tenplus1      wb roger
13:53 Roger9        hi
13:53 Roger9        Minetesdt
13:54 tenplus1      o/
13:56 tenplus1      am gonna put spawning limits on mobs redo animals, they cant be spawning 200+ nodes high in the world... lol
13:59 tenplus1      any objections ???
14:03 Fixer         why not? don't forget floatlands too
14:05 tenplus1      floatlands can be set to any elevation, in which case there's no point to limiting spawning... also hi :)
14:06 tenplus1      also how could things like sheep.cows etc get up into floatlands :) would need new mobs for there
14:07 tenplus1      that's why I was thinking of making floatlands into a new etherael style mod
14:13 tenplus1      Fixer: the default floatlands level is 1280... that's rather high for animals
14:15 Shara         I don't see why you'd get cows or sheep up there
14:15 tenplus1      hi Shara
14:16 Shara         Hi tenplus1 :)
14:16 tenplus1      and even bee's can only be found at a certain height before air is too thin for them to fly
14:17 Shara         You might want to let bees go a bit higher than the others anyway
14:17 tenplus1      I have them maxed at 100
14:17 Shara         Hmm
14:17 Shara         Seems low
14:17 tenplus1      150 ?
14:20 Shara         maybe
14:20 Shara         Also, if you didn't see it yet: http://gingercat.tk/dg/MT_butterfly.gif
14:21 tenplus1      yeah saw it earlier :) looks good
14:21 tenplus1      the net will be in good use :P
14:21 Shara         I have quite  afew things in mind
14:21 Shara         Need more time
14:22 Shara         You should let bees be caught by the net :)
14:23 tenplus1      my limits will be: bee (150), bunny (50), chicken (50), cow (50), kitten (30), penguin (10), rat (10), sheep (60), hogs (40) ... any suggestions ?
14:23 Shara         Not sure how it would work with mobs
14:23 Shara         those are y limits?
14:23 tenplus1      yeah, height limits
14:24 Shara         That's kind of horrible then :(
14:24 tenplus1      how so ?
14:24 Shara         Because huge chunks of the map are above those heights
14:24 Shara         I agree with things not spawning at 200+ like you first said
14:25 celeron55     it's interesting how a few flying pixels can look so much like a butterfly
14:25 tenplus1      hi celeron
14:25 Shara         Hehe, hi celeron55 :)
14:25 tenplus1      am thinking penguins for instance live NEAR water, so a limit of 20 is more than enough
14:25 celeron55     hi
14:26 Shara         Was surprised how well it came it out too. I didn't even consider the butterflies for MTG to begin because I thought they'd need more pixels than 16*16 allows
14:26 tenplus1      for animated butterflies textures could be made to have them 32px or 64px and still animate :)
14:27 tenplus1      hi lumberJ
14:27 Shara         I'm probably going to do a really big texture for it at some point just to see how it looks
14:27 celeron55     that's just unnecessary, lol
14:27 Shara         But fun :P
14:27 tenplus1      the option is there for anyone who wants to mess with the texture though :) I like it
14:28 lumberJ       hey Tenplus1, all
14:28 Shara         tenplus1: I tend to build at quite high locations when I still find any time to play. They usually have animals, and that makes it nice
14:29 tenplus1      how high ?
14:29 Shara         Often around 150-200
14:29 Shara         Which is why I'd be fine without animals at 200+... you only really get mountains going beyond that
14:29 Shara         But certainly around 150 you can get nice fairly flat areas
14:30 tenplus1      so 200 limit for animals, 50 for penguins
14:30 Shara         The penguins are the specific thing I don't want a limit on :P
14:30 tenplus1      lol, so unrealistic finding a penguin 200 meters up a mountainside... it doesnt happen
14:31 Shara         Even though the mountain in question a glacier into which I placed pools of water specifically for them?
14:31 Shara         is a*
14:33 Shara         Add a check that they must be near water or something if you really want to, but please don't mess up something that's been perfectly valid up until now
14:33 Fixer         new minetest trend, mobs as decor :) easiest way not to develop proper mobs (trollface)
14:33 Shara         Hehehe
14:35 tenplus1      200 is max limit for mobs,
14:35 Shara         200 should be good :)
14:36 tenplus1      I was going to change things like cows and sheep to spawn only on grassy blocks near actual grass_1 to grass_5... so they wouldnt spawn in huge open areas of built land
14:36 Shara         Hmm, do they not currently only spawn on grass?
14:36 tenplus1      they spawn on dirt_with_grass, yes... which is pretty much anywhere
14:37 Shara         But grass (the plant) spreads pretty much everywhere too
14:37 tenplus1      I want dirt_with_grass near grass_1, grass_2 etc. so actual plantlike grass needs to be present
14:37 Shara         No objections, just not sure how much difference that would make
14:37 tenplus1      this stops them spawning on stripped areas where the player is building on
14:38 Shara         I'd only object to a change that means you can't set up a suitable environment for that animal to spawn anymore
14:38 tenplus1      only difference would be the chance value being changed... gotta get that right since it'd go from 1000's of grass blocks down to a few hundred near actual grass
14:38 Shara         But if you make a field for cows somewhere, yuo could add grass
14:41 Shara         I'm currently wishing there was a sideways plantlike...I'd love to try dragonflies
14:48 tenplus1      hrm, currently sheep spawn in dirt_with_grass with a 1 in 15000 chance...  since plantlike grass is spread out I'd have to lower it to around 1 in 200
14:54 Shara         Not sure
14:55 celeron55     just go on a walk to count through 15000 dirt_with_grass and note how many plantlike grass there's on them? easy!
14:57 tenplus1      grass coverage is 5%... so 5% of 15000 would be 750
14:57 tenplus1      :)
14:58 tenplus1      hi srifqi
14:58 srifqi        hi tenplus1
14:59 srifqi        Anybody has ever compiling Minetest for Android?
14:59 tenplus1      Wayward has
14:59 tenplus1      he has a forum page with android builds for download
15:01 srifqi        He doesn't describe how he did it.
15:01 srifqi        I got stuck in "checking whether the C compiler works... no".
15:02 tenplus1      o/ paramat
15:02 srifqi        Maybe I should wait until #6796 merged?
15:02 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6796 -- Android build fixes for c++11 by stujones11
15:02 srifqi        \o paramat
15:03 Wayward_One   recently i've been using stu's branch there
15:03 srifqi        Okay, I'll try.
15:04 tenplus1      hi wayward
15:04 Wayward_One   hello :)
15:04 Wayward_One   and the instructions are here, but a little old http://dev.minetest.net/Android
15:05 srifqi        I followed that and then stuck as I described before.
15:06 srifqi        Still same. Stuck in "checking whether the C compiler works... no".
15:08 srifqi        gcc and g++ is at version 7.2.0-8ubuntu3.2.
15:10 xerox123      hello /o
15:10 xerox123      o/* lol
15:11 tenplus1      hi xerox
15:12 srifqi        hi xerox123
15:13 srifqi        Wayward_One: BTW, I use first section, not sfan5's.
15:15 srifqi        Let me try to install clang.
15:17 Wayward_One   Sorry, had to leave for work. That's the section I use too
15:17 Wayward_One   I believe stu's pr uses clang by default
15:21 Wayward_One   Yeah, it does
15:21 tenplus1      Shara: 1 in 750 on grass block near grass plant works but spawns a little too many, might go for 1200
15:22 Shara         Okay
15:23 tenplus1      hi CWz
15:28 srifqi        Wayward_One: Yup. It starts compiling.
15:29 srifqi        Now, compile error.
15:33 Wayward_One   What's the error?
15:34 Wayward_One   srifqi ^
15:35 srifqi        "error: unknown type name 'off_t'"
15:35 srifqi        "/tmp/ndk-arm-linux-iconv/bin/../sysroot/usr/include/stdio.h:65:9: error: unknown type name 'off_t'"
15:35 IhrFussel     #Android
15:36 IhrFussel     oops xP
15:36 rubenwardy    #android is just shitposting and Samsung hate
15:36 rubenwardy    and every so often "which of these cheap chinese phones are the best"
15:37 Wayward_One   Hmm.. I don't think I've come across that one before
15:38 celeron55     sounds like the compiler being incompatible with the libc or something completely messed up like that
15:39 srifqi        What can I do?
15:40 celeron55     reinstall everything, but correctly this time? 8)
15:40 srifqi        :(
15:40 srifqi        Guide me, then. :D
15:41 celeron55     i've never set up an ndk toolchain
15:43 celeron55     could also be that your target is set somehow wrong, like for example if off64_t is defined but off_t isn't or whatever... nobody knows except some people that probably don't listen to questions
15:43 IhrFussel     rubenwardy, any other IRC channel that could help?
15:43 rubenwardy    #android is probably still the right one
15:43 rubenwardy    just brace yourself for some offtopic
15:45 tenplus1      Mobs Redo Animals updated, they now spawn on grass near grass plantlike (chances amended to suit)
15:46 Wayward_One   You're using the newer ndk, right? 16b I believe it is?
15:48 srifqi        android-ndk-r14b-linux-x86_64.zip
15:48 srifqi        Is there newer version?
15:49 srifqi        Oh, there is. :O
15:50 srifqi        Let me download it.
15:51 srifqi        Wayward_One: Should I use this newer version or should I use older?
15:54 Wayward_One   the newer one
15:54 srifqi        Okay, ETA 40 minutes. (downloading)
15:56 Wayward_One   Wait, I found it https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6628
15:58 srifqi        ... and that means ... ?
16:01 Fixer         rubenwardy: missed the part why samsung is so bad
16:04 Wayward_One   That means the one you should use is ndk-r16
16:06 srifqi        I'm downloading android-ndk-r16b-linux-x86_64.zip now.
16:07 Wayward_One   And then iirc, in the command "
16:07 Wayward_One   android-sdk-linux/tools/android update sdk --no-ui -a --filter platform-tool,android-25,build-tools-25.0.1",  the last number should be changed to "25.0.3"
16:08 Wayward_One   Gtg now, I'll be back at my build machine in about an hour and half
16:08 srifqi        Okay, see you!
16:08 Wayward_One   Good luck!
16:10 rubenwardy    > endinging
16:11 rubenwardy    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7096/files#diff-47d309d83e84f8ef92ac99f872441669R330
16:12 tenplus1      playing sound with offset ?
16:12 tenplus1      didnt even know that was in there :P
16:12 tenplus1      also hi
16:20 tenplus1      I wonder how many other hidden features or un-used features are in the engine that could be trimmed
16:22 Krock         endinginging looks like it's ringinging after stopinginging the bellsinginging
16:22 rubenwardy    tenplus1: don't say that too loud, Mega_f may hear you
16:22 * tenplus1    has headache now
16:23 tenplus1      lol
16:29 tenplus1      hi benrob
16:29 benrob0329    Hi tenplus1
16:30 benrob0329    MATE + Compiz is nice :P
16:30 benrob0329    Get those wobbly windows in
16:31 Fixer         wobbly
16:32 Fixer         went back 10 years back
16:32 tenplus1      ehehe, I remember those :) was fun to play around with compiz back then
16:32 tenplus1      had the cube desktop selector also with a kewl background image
16:32 Fixer         yes, cube
16:32 Fixer         nostalgia
16:33 tenplus1      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Kubuntu-9.04-DesktopEffects.png/800px-Kubuntu-9.04-DesktopEffects.png
16:34 Fuchs         that's kde plasma and not compiz
16:34 Fuchs         (it still has that stupid cube if you want)
16:35 Fixer         https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Compiz-fusion-3d-desktop-cube.png
16:36 Krock         what's the yellowish top?
16:37 tenplus1      space for another desktop :P heh...
16:41 benrob0329    But Compiz is still alive and kicking, albeit probably not as popular nowadays
16:42 tenplus1      it's used for unity and still has all the plugins available for use :P
16:42 benrob0329    Itd be very usable by itself with some plugins
16:42 benrob0329    It even has a plugin to add tiling, take that i3 :P
16:43 tenplus1      lol, linux desktops were full of eye candy, hell even Kubuntu/KDE/Neon looks amazing
16:43 benrob0329    KDE has trouble with screen tearing though
16:43 benrob0329    Compiz does fine :P
16:43 tenplus1      even with vsync on ?
16:44 benrob0329    Yup
16:44 tenplus1      what gfx driver ?
16:44 benrob0329    Nvidia
16:45 benrob0329    My neon desktop can't seem to cope, while my laptop stopped having issues once I switch to compiz (GPU compositing rather than CPU)
16:45 tenplus1      strange, prolly a setting somewhere to stop tearing
16:45 benrob0329    There is, it doesn't work
16:46 tenplus1      'full screen repaint' ?
16:46 tenplus1      under compositing settings
16:46 benrob0329    Still tears somehow, I honestly think its broken
16:46 tenplus1      buuuuuu
16:47 celeron55     it's linux and graphics, what do you expect!
16:47 tenplus1      heh, works on some, not on others...
16:47 benrob0329    Which wouldn't surprise me since I can make konsole crash by switching workspaces and/or focus too fast
16:47 tenplus1      ooh, you tried Enlightenment desktop yet ???  so many fancy effects and cpu.gpu selection
16:48 benrob0329    I dont really like how close to Gnome it is tbh
16:48 benrob0329    I've also heard its not configurable
16:48 tenplus1      what isnt ? enlightenment ?
16:48 benrob0329    Ohh
16:48 tenplus1      it's amazingly configurable
16:48 tenplus1      and very lite
16:48 benrob0329    I was thinking Elementary
16:49 tenplus1      ehehe
16:49 benrob0329    Yes I have tried Enlightenment
16:49 benrob0329    Was somewhat unstable last I looked
16:49 benrob0329    Might have to try it again
16:49 benrob0329    celeron55 posted something on it too...
16:51 benrob0329    Ooh, EFL has Python bindings
16:53 Fixer         gnome sucks
16:53 Fixer         xfce fan
16:55 tumeninodes   https://www.brit.co/morning-habits-to-boost-your-creativity-all-day/ by the time you've done all this, the day is over and you've created nothing :P
16:56 rubenwardy    I feel like that should be brit.uk not brit.co
16:57 tumeninodes   heh
16:58 tumeninodes   good name for a startup though "britco"
16:58 tenplus1      hi tumeni
16:58 tumeninodes   hey tenplus1
17:16 Calinou       Enlightenment: "we spent 20 years developing something, now use it" :P
17:18 Calinou       I knew someone who was an EFL fan
17:18 benrob0329    Calinou: hey, they probably have the best terminal emulator to date
17:19 benrob0329    So perhaps those 20 years were well spent
17:19 tenplus1      o/
17:19 IhrFussel     rubenwardy, #Android didn't help at all... the topic turned into "why are you so stupid and bought a phone with such an old Android version in the first place?"
17:19 rubenwardy    lol
17:20 IhrFussel     Ignoring the fact that 12% still use 4.4
17:21 rubenwardy    that is quite old tbh
17:21 rubenwardy    :D
17:21 Calinou       4.4 is really, really old
17:21 Calinou       5.0 was released in late 2014, over 3 years ago
17:21 Roger9        hi
17:21 * rubenwardy  is on 7.0
17:21 Calinou       7.0 too
17:21 Calinou       (the S7 edge is probably not going to get a 8.0 upgrade by the looks of it)
17:21 Calinou       (#ThankSamsung)
17:21 rubenwardy    awww
17:21 * rubenwardy  has a S7E
17:22 IhrFussel     I bought my phone in 2015 with 4.4.2 and it's not my fault that the manufacturer decided to ship it with that version
17:22 Roger9        I have 7.0 on a Galaxy Tab S2...
17:22 Calinou       really, it looks like ARM vendors do everything they can to be hated by everyone
17:22 Roger9        I wonder if there is a word for "the feeling of happiness some people get when other people hate them"
17:23 IhrFussel     Now I bought one with 7.0 but I would still like to have my old one fixed so that I can sell it for some bucks
17:24 IhrFussel     But there seems to be no solution other than "flash a new rom" which is completely out of my knowledge range
17:25 benrob0329    IhrFussel: look at the LineageOS docs
17:25 benrob0329    There are per device installation instructions
17:26 Calinou       flashing a custom ROM is not that hard
17:27 Calinou       the real problem is that many devices have poor support for custom ROMs due to unfriendly OEMs
17:27 Calinou       (a small community for the device doesn't help)
17:28 * tenplus1    has a Lenovo B vibe which he wants LineageOS on
17:28 rubenwardy    is LineageOS the new Cyanogen?
17:28 Calinou       yeah
17:28 rubenwardy    given than Cyanogen died
17:28 rubenwardy    *that
17:31 * benrob0329  has a Galaxy s5 with LineageOS on it
17:31 paramat       that's enough offtopic
17:32 paramat       OS/phone talk -> #minetest-chat
17:40 tenplus1      xanadu has been updated with new mob animal changes if anyone wants to check it out
17:54 tenplus1      back laters, nom time :P
18:23 * Wayward_One returns
18:24 Fixer         don't bother with android, it is clf
18:24 Fixer         assume it is vulnerable to everything
18:24 Fixer         i stay on 2.2 on ~6 old smartphone and don't bother
18:27 Fixer         Calinou: 3 years is not old, you way too hip, you are probably one of those guys who call Sandy Bridge CPUs - vintage ;p
18:28 Fixer         calls*
18:28 Fixer         i have rooted tablet with 4.4, totally fine with it for now
18:29 Fixer         apart from that god damn firefox, after last update it has problems yet again
18:32 Fixer         smartphone hype will be ending soon anyway
18:33 Fixer         matured market, declining in developed nations, bitchery of manufacturers, removal of features, weird design choices, they are powerful enough, no need for more cores or ram or camera megapixels
18:34 Fixer         developing markets save the day, but thats not for too long
18:34 rubenwardy    please sssh
18:34 Fixer         there will be same story as with PCs pretty much, peak and looooong slow decline, with negative effects etc
18:34 rubenwardy    I really don't care of your old man view of technology
18:35 Fixer         no, it is current market
18:35 Fixer         you don't need to update your phone anymore pretty much
18:35 Fixer         it is good enough, you just wait until battery dies, then replace it if lucky
18:35 Fixer         it is just like PC market
18:35 Wayward_One   <para-mat> OS/phone talk -> #minetest-chat
18:36 rubenwardy    ^
18:36 Fixer         i'm sticking to old because I don't use much of new features, others have different needs, yet market is full pretty much
18:36 Fixer         i agree anyway
18:37 Fixer         just don't buy apple :p :p :p
18:37 Fixer         now this room will be quite
18:39 Fixer         sofar: weird flashback from my brain: agricola style game starting, mining basic materials, living of that era, then progression, rocketry, mining asteroids for advanced materials, nuclear age on Earth, prosperity, mobs = some random dudes with swords
18:42 Wayward_One   srifqi, any progress so far?
18:53 rubenwardy    lisac: malware can't be sent over media servers
18:53 rubenwardy    as code isn't currently sent
18:53 rubenwardy    minus libpng bugs
18:53 rubenwardy    also, Minetest's cache is based on hash, not URL
18:54 rubenwardy    meaning that it doesn't actually matter if each server has a different media server as the textures will still be cached and shared
18:54 rubenwardy    so it's mostly pointless to have a shared one, except for the fact you don't need to set it up yourself and the fact it's on a separate machine
19:49 tumeninodes   anyone ever seen this repo? https://github.com/loinesg/voxelized-shadows
19:49 tumeninodes   !title
19:49 MinetestBot   tumeninodes: GitHub - loinesg/voxelized-shadows: Research project evaluating Voxelized Shadows for rendering high quality precomputed shadows in real time, with lo[...]
20:01 Fixer         damn i miss ETS2
20:02 Fixer         that naming is even worse than minetest
22:10 srifqi        Wayward_One: Has finished downloading. Now re-make.
22:10 Wayward_One   Okay
22:10 srifqi        "svn: E160013: '/p/irrlicht/code/!svn/rvr/4974/branches/ogl-es/source/Irrlicht/CGUIProfiler.h' path not found"
22:12 srifqi        My connection?
22:16 srifqi        Gotta go, probably next time. See you!
22:22 Wayward_One   Nuts, turned around for a second..