Time  Nick          Message
00:02 Megaf         !up mt.megaf.info 30003
00:02 MinetestBot   mt.megaf.info:30003 seems to be down
00:02 Megaf         good
00:02 Megaf         I dont want anyone joining the server now
00:02 Megaf         working on stuff
15:16 lisac__       <ThomasMonroe> lisac: LoS_Server> <monk> I've found a bug: when i switch tools using 1-8 keys, it always prompts a little text at the abottom about level 1 and nodes dug 0 for pick/axe/shovel while actualy those tools are higher level
15:16 lisac__       that is because your 'show description on switch' mod doesn't look at item's metadata
15:16 lisac__       just make it first check if the item has valid metadata description set
15:20 ThomasMonroe  ah ok :)
16:02 Krock         hi tenplus1whoisnthere
16:03 Mr_Pardison   and hello to Krockwhoishere
16:08 Krock         hi Mr_Pardisonwhoisheretoo
16:21 Megaf         !up mt.megaf.info 30003
16:21 MinetestBot   mt.megaf.info:30003 is up (12ms)
16:21 Megaf         !server Megaf
16:21 MinetestBot   Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms
17:11 lisac__       !server Craig
17:11 MinetestBot   lisac__: Craig's Server | minetest.davison.io | Clients: 1/30, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.16 / craig-server | Ping: 8ms
17:11 lisac__       yay
17:12 lisac__       !server CTF
17:12 MinetestBot   lisac__: [CTF] Illuna's Capture the Flag - Deep Forest | illuna.rocks:30003 | Clients: 0/30, 0/5 | Version: 0.4.16 / minetest | Ping: 10ms
17:12 lisac__       !server Xanadu
17:12 MinetestBot   lisac__: Xanadu | 98.166.87.1 | Clients: 3/40, 2/6 | Version: 0.4.16 / minetest | Ping: 105ms
17:12 lisac__       how does this magic work
17:15 Megaf         lisac: what magic
17:15 Megaf         ?
17:16 lisac         it knows if a server is up
17:16 Amaz          lisac: It checks the server list ;)
17:16 lisac         I wonder if it is powered by rainbow
17:16 lisac         oh
17:16 lisac         :( no rainbows then?
17:17 Amaz          Well, maybe! Who knows? :P
17:19 Megaf         lisac: of course in the backend the energy source is a rainbow
17:31 lisac         :P
17:37 Megaf         MinetestBot!
17:37 MinetestBot   Megaf!
17:55 Tenplus1      hi folks
17:56 Raven262      Hi ten
17:56 Tenplus1      hi raven
17:57 Tenplus1      I joined #minetest-hug by mistake and never got one... :P
18:02 Tenplus1      how's today been so far ?
18:05 Krock         hi Tenplus1
18:05 Tenplus1      hey Krock, how's you ?
18:05 Krock         \o/
18:06 Tenplus1      o/
18:06 Krock         Tenplus1, oh I'm fine but also quite sad that episodes don't get aired more often
18:06 Tenplus1      which show ??
18:06 Krock         Mahou Tsukai no Yome, which is incredibly well done
18:07 Tenplus1      looks interesting, although buying kids at auction... tut tut
18:07 paramat       ah very good anime
18:07 Tenplus1      I've been watching karakai-jouzu-no-takagi-san and final space :)
18:07 Tenplus1      hi paramat
18:07 Krock         artwork and story are both .. just nice
18:08 * Krock       checks
18:08 Tenplus1      it's up to episode 23 on anilinks.to so far
18:08 Tenplus1      Mahou Tsukai no Yome that is
18:10 Tenplus1      hi tmc
18:10 Krock         Tenplus1, 23 but not 24 :<
18:10 Tenplus1      eheheh, eagery awaiting the next ep.  I hear ya :)
18:11 Krock         exactly, that's it ... :'(
18:11 benrob0329    o/ Tenplus1 (hello again Krock)
18:11 Tenplus1      lol, story must be real good
18:11 Tenplus1      hi benrob
18:11 Krock         o/ benrob0329-minetest
18:13 Krock         Tenplus1, it's like "oh what a nice series" .. a few days later "how many eps are there" and a MAL check later "aaagh I can't wait for it :<"
18:14 * Krock       feels addicted
18:14 Tenplus1      heh...  I always try to wait for the whole series to end before watching, but sometimes you find that gem among anime and you cannot wait
18:14 Tenplus1      here's a little something to while the time away: http://anilinkz.to/final-space-episode-1
18:17 Krock         Tenplus1, rick and morty in space?
18:17 Tenplus1      heh, kinda... it's funny :)
18:30 Tenplus1      hi fussel
18:36 IhrFussel     Hello Tenplus1
18:44 Tenplus1      o//
18:46 IhrFussel     What could cause a glitched (dummy) skin for just ONE player?
18:46 IhrFussel     It works on other players
18:46 Tenplus1      what mod ?
18:46 IhrFussel     U_skins ... I didn't update anything though
18:46 IhrFussel     u_skins*
18:47 IhrFussel     Could it be his app?
18:47 Tenplus1      does the player in question have any special characters in their nick ?
18:47 IhrFussel     Nope just A-z
18:48 Tenplus1      hrm... very strange, if it works with other players could be player file a lil corrupt maybe ?!
18:48 Tenplus1      lemmie check uskins code quick.
18:49 IhrFussel     u_skins.mt file lists him correctly as character_24 andd charcter_24.png exists in the textures folder
18:49 Tenplus1      how does it look glitched exactly ?
18:50 IhrFussel     Dummy image (rainbow)
18:52 Tenplus1      is player using official minetest client ?
18:52 Tenplus1      I see uskins has support for sprites and models both
18:52 IhrFussel     No, that's why I asked if the app can cause such issues
18:52 IhrFussel     But I thought skin code runs entirely server-side
18:52 Tenplus1      could depend on the app if they use upright sprites as characters or models, that would cause issue, yes
18:53 Tenplus1      ask them to use official app and see if it fixes itself
19:03 IhrFussel     He says "I don't care if I'm a blob"
19:04 Tenplus1      ehehe, so long as he can play ok :) can be his super power... the blob
19:05 Tenplus1      would be nice if u_skins mod has the /setskin command handy to force set a new skin to try
19:07 IhrFussel     I think he tried another but was still a blob
19:07 Tenplus1      sounds like his client ...
19:08 IhrFussel     Yeah the exact same skin works on mine and looks normal
19:08 Tenplus1      which makes me think... why is he so set on using his shoddy client ? is it a proper game or hack build ?!
19:08 IhrFussel     Has there been a compat break between skins in 0.4.11 - 0.4.16 ?
19:09 Tenplus1      new player model
19:09 Tenplus1      has been tweaked a few times actually
19:09 IhrFussel     Maybe his client is just too old...let me check the prot version
19:09 Tenplus1      he really has to use a 0.4.16 stable client to play properly on most servers
19:10 IhrFussel     27 ... that's 0.4.12 or 0.4.13
19:11 Tenplus1      he could easily install 0.4.16 stable for (win/linux/android) to try it out and see if it works better... hell, he may even get a speed boost and more fps
19:19 IhrFussel     He uses iPad so we have the Apple problem
19:19 Tenplus1      ah crap, good point... not many working mt clients on that platform, well, none without a ridiculous amount of ads
19:24 IhrFussel     Many of the apps still use 0.4.13 or older
19:25 Tenplus1      sad but true, once they have an basic app that shows ads and makes them cash they dont really keep it up to date
19:25 Tenplus1      apple really should allow users to download/install their own software instead of forcing them to use app store
19:27 IhrFussel     I just ran grep -Eo "PROTOCOL.{1,}" .minetest/debug.txt | sort | uniq | grep -c ": 27" ... the result is SHOCKING... about 10,000 accounts joined with that old version
19:27 Tenplus1      wb paramat
19:27 Tenplus1      hi mister
19:27 IhrFussel     Compared to 0.4.16 which is only used by 3.2 K
19:28 Mr_Pardison   oy
19:30 Tenplus1      it's sad that many kids use fake clients to play on mt servers and then complain when things dont work properly... and worse still they have to watch ads for the pleasure
19:30 Mr-Pardison   ikr.
19:31 Tenplus1      it's the one platform we really need an official minetest for and apple are standing in the way with their shitty fee's and policies
19:32 Mr-Pardison   yeah.
19:34 Tenplus1      hell, just for that I'd list how to jailbreak an iphone/ipad next to the download link for the ios version of minetest :))))))
19:39 IhrFussel     It's absolutely terrible to hear that only roughly 1/3 of my playerbase is actually playing with a recent client
19:39 Mr-Pardison   I use the latest version available for the device I'm using.
19:40 Tenplus1      0.4.16 ? or 0.5 dev ?
19:40 Mr-Pardison   0.4.16
19:40 IhrFussel     I'm guessing protocol version 27 is 0.4.14 ... then 250 use 0.4.15
19:41 Tenplus1      kewl, 0.4.16 (sep 17th) here...   latest before player model changes
19:41 IhrFussel     And almost as many (220) use 0.4.13 ... over one hundred still use 0.4.11
19:42 Tenplus1      sooo out of date...  am surprised their clients function properly with newer mods
19:43 IhrFussel     Well they don't...at least not if the issue with the skin is the MT version
19:43 Tenplus1      yeah, and I'm sure it's a rogue client that's causing server crashes with the serialize.h error we experience at times...
19:43 * Shara       pokes head in
19:43 Shara         Hello :)
19:43 Mr-Pardison   hi
19:43 IhrFussel     I had quite a few players complaining recently about "glitched skins" but I thought it's probably just a corrupt cache folder
19:43 * Tenplus1    offers shara tea n donut
19:43 Shara         Just what I need, thank you :)
19:44 Tenplus1      om nom nom
19:44 Mr-Pardison   ^ name of character in cut the rope
19:44 Mr-Pardison   well, without the extra nom at the end
19:44 Shara         Tenplus1: you are still getting those crashes?
19:45 Tenplus1      bubbles ?
19:45 Tenplus1      it happens from time to time, nowhere near as often as most of the mods we run have been bulletproofed with nil checks
19:45 Tenplus1      but if a rogue client can reset an entity data it'd happen
19:46 IhrFussel     Well I still experience segfaults regularly...well more like randomly and it's always caused by Server::SendMovePlayer() in cpp
19:46 Shara         Can clients do that?
19:47 Tenplus1      ooooold clients could be to blame...
19:48 Mr-Pardison   can't you force them to use a newer client by not supporting the older ones?
19:48 Shara         Mr P, I don't know, can you? :P
19:48 * Mr-Pardison thinks
19:49 Shara         0.5 will stop older clients
19:49 Tenplus1      I could force them to use newer version but by doing so most ppl wouldnt be able to connect
19:49 Tenplus1      yeah, am so eager for 0.5 stable... then they MUST use that to play
19:49 Mr-Pardison   will most definitely upgrade to that when it comes out.
19:50 Tenplus1      same, will urge players to use it... but... in installing that they can no longer connect to any other servers
19:50 Tenplus1      that are below 0.5
19:50 Mr-Pardison   yeah....
19:50 Mr-Pardison   the things we must sacrifice for progress
19:51 Tenplus1      true... will lose many players in the update, but for stability's sake it'll be worth it (and hopefully csm will be fixed/secure also)
19:51 paramat       surely a server can set a minimum protocol number to limit how old clients can be?
19:52 Tenplus1      strict_protocol_version_checking = true  ... sets it to the current version running on server and above
19:52 Shara         paramat: I suspect it's possible but not sure how easy, and the one who actually want to make problem will get around it.
19:52 Shara         ones*
19:53 Shara         Tenplus1: Is that a minetest.conf option?
19:53 Tenplus1      but...  xanadu runs 0.4.16 (sep 17th) version, juist above stable that fixes a few issues...  this would make it so anyone running stable couldnt connect
19:53 Tenplus1      yeah shara
19:53 Shara         It's problematic either way.
19:53 Tenplus1      if you run 0.4.16 stable and set that flag to true in minetest.conf then players would require that version to connect
19:53 Shara         What if you want to allow however many versions back, but not before that?
19:54 Tenplus1      you cant... it only allows the version that the server is running and above
19:54 Tenplus1      nothing else will let you allow/disallow other versions
19:54 Shara         So no flexibility then
19:54 Tenplus1      nope... sadly
19:55 Shara         The moment any server owner says "stable only", a whole bunch of players will be lost
19:55 Tenplus1      yep, and mosty of the ios clients too
19:55 Shara         This is still a serious risk with 0.5
19:56 Tenplus1      yeah, 0.5 cannot connect to anything older... that's the sad part... but, it forces compliance to new features
19:56 Tenplus1      a new baseline
19:56 Shara         Well thanks to what happened, I lost most new players anyway
19:56 Shara         THough the players I am left with are the good ones that are worth having :)
19:57 Shara         It may even make the move to 0.5 less painful in some ways, so maybe I should be thankful
19:58 Tenplus1      the map issue ?
19:58 paramat       hm i expected a setting to set the minimum protocol number
19:58 Shara         RC is shut to new players until backports branch has the entity PR and I have time to update
19:59 Tenplus1      entity outside map area ?
19:59 Shara         Yes
19:59 paramat       old clients seems to often be laziness and lack of a reason to update, it would help to encourage them to update
19:59 Tenplus1      yup... I am soooooo eager for 0.5.stable...
19:59 Tenplus1      if only we had a way to give ios an update also without having to pay them
20:00 Shara         paramat: idealy new features is why people should update... not escape from problems.
20:00 paramat       sfan5 is the backport guy
20:00 * Shara       glances pleadingly at sfan5 then
20:00 Tenplus1      all the new map work, nodes, plantlife, bugfixes should be worth the update
20:01 Shara         I'm still hoping I can update fireflies in time for 0.5 so they "turn off" during the day
20:01 paramat       i added a todo in the backport thread for the 4 commits that sort out world edge stuff
20:02 IhrFussel     I already said it once: As long as we don't have an official iOS app (which will likely be forever) we will not be able to help many players update...they are forced to use 3rd-party apps
20:02 Tenplus1      turn off ????  you wont see the light during the day anyhoo
20:02 Shara         This already works in HW, but MTG is more complicated (because gennotify is ikky)
20:02 Shara         Tenplus1: in HW the fireflies vanish in the day and return at night
20:02 Tenplus1      ohh
20:02 IhrFussel     The marketshare for iDevices is huge and we cannot deliver those the *real* experience
20:03 Tenplus1      so invisible node during day
20:03 Shara         Yup
20:03 Shara         hidden_firefly is an airlike node
20:03 Tenplus1      IhrFussel: apple make it difficult to do an open-source game for ios cause of the money they require to host in app store
20:04 Tenplus1      Shara: kewl, kinda like the moonflower :)
20:04 Shara         I wanted to ask you what your moonflower is using to update
20:04 IhrFussel     I know that the Mt license is not allowed and that we would have to pay $100 yearly ... but the first problem is the biggest
20:04 Shara         But I realised they don't spawen on mapgen (or do they?)
20:04 Shara         spawn*
20:04 Tenplus1      a simple abm that runs every minute...  checks time of day, if night it opens flower, if day it closes :)
20:05 Shara         Ewww... had thought you'd avoid ABMs :)
20:05 Tenplus1      rare item, gotta be given :) are inside lucky blocks tho
20:05 Tenplus1      this is a very slow running abm with no checks apart from tod...  no lag :)
20:05 Shara         fireflies are using nodetimers
20:06 Tenplus1      :P
20:06 IhrFussel     By the way are nodetimers only checked once per loading or in realtime?
20:06 Shara         Checked in what sense?
20:07 IhrFussel     Time check
20:07 Tenplus1      they run every tick and when time occurs it runs function
20:07 Tenplus1      are on a list for running with times involved :)
20:07 IhrFussel     And that is not intensive?
20:07 IhrFussel     Imagine 100 nodes loaded with nodetimers
20:08 Shara         Not from what I've been told, but I'm not the best judge of that
20:08 Shara         paramat ?
20:09 Tenplus1      from what I know it's a list of registered nodetimes with server time and timer running... if timer is reached it runs attached function etc.
20:09 Tenplus1      so just an if statement and a for loop
20:10 IhrFussel     Yes but what's the actual nodetimer radius? Will it run for all nodes in memory? Or just send_distance nodes?
20:10 paramat       erm
20:10 Tenplus1      runs for all nodes loaded within player active area
20:10 Tenplus1      sorry paramat, am prolly botching up the terminology here for how it all works...
20:10 Shara         only for ones a timer has specifically been set for
20:10 paramat       same radius as ABMs i think
20:11 Tenplus1      nodetimers are useful things, but sometimes a simple abm can run better imo
20:11 Shara         and once it triggers, it's gone
20:11 IhrFussel     Yes but the question is will it be really "lag-free" if one of my players randomly decides to horde many of them at one spot?
20:11 paramat       nodetimers are less intensive than ABMs
20:12 Shara         Nothign that needs to be monitored to trigger updates of some kind will be without any performance cost
20:12 Shara         Nothing*
20:12 Shara         It's just a case of what that cost is
20:12 IhrFussel     Nodetimers should probably be added to the profiler somehow...
20:12 Shara         And whether it's noticeable
20:12 IhrFussel     In case they aren't yet
20:13 paramat       due to player walking speed ABMs somewhat need to have an interval < 16s otherwise nodes can be missed. an ABM search is searching through all nodes in a 3 mapblock radius, that's intensive
20:14 Tenplus1      my issue is that the on_timer = function(pos, elapsed) and gives no reference to the node itself, so you need a get_node to check what it is
20:14 Tenplus1      whereas an abm will tell you what the node is and let you skip that check meaning it can be quicker
20:15 Shara         why does on_timer need to know the node?
20:15 Shara         surely all it needs is what you do with it
20:15 paramat       and of course ABMs run whether the relevant nodes are present or not, so for fireflies ABMs would run in all the non-forest biomes, in the air, underground etc.
20:16 paramat       we made a big effort in MTG to remove as many ABMs as possible
20:16 Tenplus1      think for fireflies...  if nighttime and node isnt firefly then set to firefly... if daytime and node is firefly then set to air_firefly
20:16 Tenplus1      this can be done with abm very easily...  using nodetimer needs a get_node to check
20:16 Tenplus1      so not only are you checking the node timer, you're adding a getnode into the equation where abm's already get that node in engine (faster)
20:16 paramat       MTG used to be an intensive mess, much better now
20:17 Tenplus1      yeh paramat, it's a lot better... but certain functions have their uses :SD
20:17 Shara         It doesn't list node in the function because you don't need it
20:18 Shara         I'm not sure what the code underneath it is like, but it's not a thing you need to check when using it
20:18 Tenplus1      sometimes you need to know the state of a node inside node_timer so you can do something specific
20:18 Shara         firefly and hidden_firefly are two different nodes though.. on_timer is node specific
20:19 paramat       a timer is set on a node, so node doesn't need checking when it hits zero
20:20 Tenplus1      very true :P
20:20 Tenplus1      ignore me, am tired and not thinking straight... ahaha
20:20 Shara         Hehe, no worries
20:20 Shara         Worth following it through to be sure it's the right approach :)
20:20 * Tenplus1    makes coffee
20:21 Tenplus1      lol
20:21 Shara         When the timer triggers, it's just:
20:21 Shara         if minetest.get_node_light(pos) > 11 then
20:21 Shara         minetest.set_node(pos, {name = "base:hidden_firefly"})
20:21 Shara         Then restart the timer
20:21 Tenplus1      node specific... check time, set node
20:22 Tenplus1      ooh, wonder what's more intenstive, get_node_light or get_time ?  I see a test approaching :D
20:22 Shara         Feel free to test and let me know :)
20:22 Shara         Or just make a PR if time works out better. You know where the HW repo is :P
20:23 Shara         Using it as a test so we can also try it in MTG if gennotify issues get worked out
20:24 Shara         Oh, I actually choose light because artificial light or shadow should matter too
20:25 Shara         Like if you release a bunch of them in a cave, they won't care what time it is
20:25 Tenplus1      so someone placing a torch next to firefly will make it disappear also :)
20:26 Shara         Obviously ones trapped in bottles won't go away
20:26 Tenplus1      unless they are ghosts :D
20:27 IhrFussel     Running minetest.get_timeofday() 50 times in a row takes 0.5 ms
20:27 Tenplus1      lol, fussel beat me to it :D ehehehe
20:27 Shara         I suspect checking time is more efficient
20:27 Tenplus1      how long does minetest.get_node_light(pos) take
20:28 Shara         But the saving would need to be kind of huge to make me change (due to stuff I just said)
20:28 Tenplus1      that's ok... am just curious :) nothing more
20:28 Shara         I am as well :)
20:28 Tenplus1      I always like testing different ways of doing the same thing
20:29 paramat       get node light has to access the database, get time is much simpler
20:30 Shara         Well, for MTG you can take your pick, but personally I'd prefer them to check light
20:30 Shara         Opens up much more potential for players to be creative
20:30 paramat       me too
20:33 Tenplus1      having more things for players to play with is always fun :D
20:39 IhrFussel     Tenplus1, Shara get_node_light actually is much faster from what I tested
20:40 IhrFussel     50 times run takes 0.1 ms
20:40 Shara         Hmm, that's interesting.
20:40 paramat       weird
20:40 IhrFussel     But both methods are faster than the eye can see
20:41 Shara         I would have thought locating the info for one specific node would have been more work than retrieving a value that is consistent for the whole server
20:41 paramat       0.5ms for 50 'get time's is a long time
20:41 Tenplus1      interesting :)) I like rogue functions... ehehe
20:42 paramat       0.5ms is a long time in code
20:42 Shara         But no point guessing what's happening without checking the actual code beneath it all
20:42 IhrFussel     I will test again to make sure it wasn't a CPU issue
20:44 IhrFussel     Okay seems like something wasn't idle when I ran the first time... now 20x minetest.get_timeofday() takes 0.005 ms
20:44 IhrFussel     50x*
20:44 Tenplus1      ehehehe
20:45 IhrFussel     And get_node_light...one sec
20:45 paramat       that's better
20:46 paramat       i looked at the code, it's extremely simple, gets server time, divides by 24000
20:46 IhrFussel     50x get_node_light() takes between 0.070 - 0.150 ms
20:46 Tenplus1      yeah, stored value quicker access than checking map
20:47 IhrFussel     So we can safely say minetest.get_timeofday() takes max 1 ns to execute
20:49 IhrFussel     On a CPU from 2010
20:55 IhrFussel     Doing maths with floats in Bash is overly complicated
20:56 Tenplus1      why not use print statement in lua :P
20:56 IhrFussel     It's a script that greps debug.txt regularly and calculates the avg/max lag which gets logged every minute
20:57 Tenplus1      ahh
20:58 Tenplus1      mines checks the env_meta.txt for last update :)
20:58 IhrFussel     But since Bash doesn't support floats I have to use bc for each condition "if (( $(bc <<< "$num1 > $lastnum") ))"
20:58 Tenplus1      if over 1 min then it restarts server
21:00 IhrFussel     sadly php does have overhead or else I could just use that... maybe python is faster than bc? But I doubt it
21:00 Tenplus1      am sure there will be faster ways of doing a check
21:01 IhrFussel     #bash didn't help much...all they pretty much do is telling you a wiki link
21:02 IhrFussel     I wonder why Bash doesn't know floats...is it too old or did the devs just think "not needed"??
21:04 Tenplus1      IhrFussel: did you try:    int=${float%.*}
21:04 Mr-Pardison   g2g cya
21:04 Tenplus1      float=1.23
21:04 Tenplus1      cya mister
21:06 IhrFussel     Tenplus1, 1 xP
21:06 Tenplus1      :)
21:07 IhrFussel     999x bc takes 3.7 secs?? Can that be real?
21:08 IhrFussel     That sounds super slow
21:08 Tenplus1      what's that for ?
21:08 IhrFussel     I just did time for ((i=0;i<999;i++)); do echo "$(bc <<< "1+0.1")"; done for testing its speed
21:09 Tenplus1      run using xterm... might be quicker :)
21:09 Tenplus1      bash isnt the fastest tbh
21:10 Tenplus1      hi twoelk
21:10 IhrFussel     Lua takes 18 ms for the same task
21:10 twoelk        o/
21:10 Tenplus1      lua is much faster than bash :P
21:10 twoelk        greetings from the freezing kontinent
21:11 IhrFussel     But I need my values as shell scripts >.<
21:11 IhrFussel     And I guess if I call lua 999 times from bash it will also be slow
21:12 Tenplus1      any reason you call it 999 times ?
21:12 Tenplus1      twoelk: what's the temp ?
21:12 twoelk        rumors have it approaching -10 at the moment
21:13 Tenplus1      oof, it's -2 here just now but snow stormin'
21:13 twoelk        nice closed blanket of some 10cm of snow where I live
21:14 Shara         Still no snow here :(
21:14 twoelk        at least the last time I looked outside I coild still see the car
21:14 IhrFussel     Tenplus1, the lag lines my script checks will be more than 999 ... imagine the server logs the current avg lag/max lag of the recent minute every minute to debug.txt and my script will run every few hours and get all those recent lag value lines and then compares the floats in them ... calling lua from Bash seems to be faster than bc ... 2.3 secs vs 3.7 secs
21:15 Tenplus1      o/ Fixer
21:16 Fixer         hi
21:16 twoelk        good thing that tardis is in a glass case - or else I couldn't resist to take it :D
21:16 Tenplus1      hi lumberJ
21:16 lumberJ       hey Tenplus1
21:16 Tenplus1      lol twoelk
21:17 Tenplus1      ooh, asus tinkerboard S is out soon, looks amazing for mt server setup (low power) with gigabit ethernet
21:19 Tenplus1      nite folks o/
21:26 IhrFussel     Really sad how people sometimes choose easy-to-guess passwords..... just now someone wants to have it as "david"
21:27 IhrFussel     It's "password" not "first name"
22:20 Megaf         2018-02-27 21:34:10: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod 'moretrees' in callback node_on_timer(): ...erver/BinMegafServer/bin/../mods/moretrees/date_palm.lua:235: find_nodes_in_area(): area volume exceeds allowed value of 551368
22:20 Megaf         paramat: is that fixed yet?
22:21 Megaf         that's the only crash I have been having
22:27 paramat       fixed in engine
22:28 Megaf         paramat: backported to 0.4 already?
22:28 Megaf         I saw there was PR
22:28 paramat       and in todo for backporting to 0.4.17
22:29 paramat       sfan-5 is the backport person
22:32 paramat       easy fix in moretrees mod though
22:32 paramat       reduce the parameter 'date palm polination distance'
22:35 paramat       halving it should work
22:36 paramat       no wonder moretrees is slow, date palms search a 5 mapchunk volume before being placed :]
22:37 Shara         paramat: version of moretrees I used didn't have date palms, but was still a major problem on RC
22:38 Shara         Removing the trees from mapgen was one of the biggest improvements that server ever saw
22:38 twoelk        sadly
22:39 twoelk        'cause I love the landscape moretrees creates
22:39 paramat       yes the other trees might do similar searches
22:39 Shara         I like them as well... bbut I want me server to actually work
22:39 Shara         And this way players can still plant them
22:39 paramat       need a light version
22:40 paramat       ah good idea
22:40 Shara         There's many mods that need a light version.
22:41 paramat       all that is needed for mapgen is the saplings as registered decorations, located in suitable biomes
22:41 tumeninodes   light versions... with ads... and offer deals for full bloated versions ; )
22:42 paramat       moretrees was written for mgv6 before we had the biome API
22:42 Shara         Back then I didn't know enough about modding to really dig in and fix it
22:42 Shara         I was learning as I went... found deleting thos ebits did the job
22:43 tumeninodes   no one wants to tackle any of the older, out-of-control big mods now
22:43 Shara         Now I could probably fix it, but there's so many other things to work on as well :)
22:44 Shara         I did do a lot of tidying up for riventest, but I think mine is the only public server using it now
22:44 tumeninodes   just add patches and aliases, atop of one another
22:45 tumeninodes   I stole (I mean "borrowed") from riventest when I did my first blunder "artdeco"
22:45 * Shara       likes commenting out huge chunks of mods because "a creative server doesn't need that stuff"
22:46 twoelk        there was/is a french server that used a "complete" moretrees - it looked lovely - but I guess VEC and VES also use it - of course
22:47 Shara         I actually hav ea copy of a mod somewhere (or I really, really hope I still have it)... that has actual models for trees. It looks amazing
22:48 twoelk        riventest (sigh) guess I sort of miss mauvebic and his servers, always with some mods only he had
22:51 paramat       i really liked mauvebic, quite a character
22:52 Shara         I can't find that mod :(
22:57 twoelk        yeah, was fun talking to him
23:01 twoelk        https://wiki.minetest.net/Mods:Nature <- lots of trees
23:01 Shara         This mod was never anywhere public... sadly I think I had the only copy
23:02 twoelk        maybe the mesh trees of EpicNode? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13758
23:02 Shara         It was made by one of my moderators... his first mod. He didn't publish it anywhere.
23:03 twoelk        ah
23:04 twoelk        I once stole some WOW trees and plugged them into minetest - didn't look as epic as I had hoped
23:04 Shara         These things were something.
23:05 Shara         Would have never worked on a server as they were... Really big files, but I'd love to have seen him develop it.
23:05 * twoelk      wonders where his milkshape viewer went
23:07 twoelk        oh well, time to attempt to get home,  bye
23:07 Shara         See you :)
23:08 * tumeninodes has toyed around with epic nodes
23:26 tumeninodes   do I smell or something tonight? :P
23:32 Wayward_One   Lol
23:32 * Wayward_One peeks in
23:33 * Shara       tries to make the peg on her nose less obvious
23:33 Shara         No tumeninodes, you don't smell at all.
23:33 Wayward_One   xD
23:36 tumeninodes   actually, I do... but that is not important
23:40 Megaf         well, I manage to reduce my max lag from 30+ seconds to 3 seconds
23:43 Wayward_One   That's a pretty big improvement
23:45 Megaf         Thomas-S: mate, streets could do with some improvements. Streets 1 didnt cause any lag, streets 2 is crashing clients on join and causing 30+ seconds of lag in servers
23:45 Megaf         =/
23:45 Megaf         Which is a shame, because is such a fantast mod
23:47 Megaf         !server Megaf
23:47 MinetestBot   Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 11ms
23:47 Megaf         fantstic I mean