Time  Nick         Message
08:46 Peppy        hi
10:41 tenplus1     hi folks
11:07 shivajiva    Hiya tenplus
11:07 tenplus1     hi shiva
11:08 shivajiva    hows things?
11:09 tenplus1     good thanks, first day off in a while so chilling :)
11:09 tenplus1     you ?
11:09 tenplus1     been checking out mc changes, they copying mt again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Ikg1lUMDs
11:09 tenplus1     hi fixer
11:10 tenplus1     does anyone know how to compile or find latest 0.5x version in a standalone folder for testing ???
11:10 tenplus1     .tar.gz
11:11 shivajiva    not bad,  it's a bit chilly never mind chillin :P
11:11 tenplus1     heh, gonna hit -8c this week at some point
11:13 shivajiva    heh can't wait for them to pass the 14% increase in fuel on even though they bought it 6 months ago
11:15 tenplus1     ouch, they want your money money money
11:16 shivajiva    I gave up on the idea of storing a million spawns btw and went for something far more simplistic....if there is an island on the right keep going, if not add it and change direction for the next
11:17 tenplus1     good idea...
11:17 tenplus1     faster too
11:18 shivajiva    because there is an optional height diff setting I have to search a radius to make sure though
11:26 shivajiva    tenplus: I'll try building it
11:27 tenplus1     building skyblock ?
11:27 shivajiva    latest 0.5
11:29 tenplus1     ohh, kewl :)
11:29 tenplus1     I mentioned before that it would be great to have a "minetest-next" version for testing latels builds that doesnt interfer with pre-installed "minetest" games
11:29 tenplus1     then we could have both running side by side
11:30 shivajiva    yea it gets a bit messy with an install and build in place versions
11:31 tenplus1     opera did a great thing by including opera-next builds to run alongside official stable, maybe I'm hoping too much :P
11:33 shivajiva    probably :)
11:36 * tenplus1   glares at devs
11:37 shivajiva    Linking CXX executable ../bin/minetest
11:37 shivajiva    [100%] Built target minetest
11:38 shivajiva    no deps added since previous build it seems
11:39 tenplus1     still wondering why 0.4.16 requires python2 as dependency
11:40 shivajiva    must have been installed already over here because I didn't notice the requirement
11:41 shivajiva    where does it fail for you on build?
11:41 tenplus1     I cant remember, last time I tried it kept trying to use .minetest configs instead of the one's in the folder it ran from
11:42 Amaz         Did you add the -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 option to cmake?
11:42 shivajiva    interesting, DRUN_IN_PLACE should stop it looking beyond the folder
11:42 tenplus1     hi amaz
11:43 tenplus1     am sure I did
11:43 Amaz         Hi :)
11:43 Amaz         Hmm, that's odd.
11:43 tenplus1     was a guide I followed from somewhere :)
11:43 tenplus1     coudl have just been a jinky dev version
11:43 shivajiva    heh I stopped following guides when it broke last year
11:43 shivajiva    Hi Amaz :)
11:44 tenplus1     hi nore
11:44 nore         hi :)
11:45 shivajiva    can't run that build to connect to skyblocks though, protocol version mismatch
11:46 tenplus1     yeah,e xactly why I wanted a minetest-next version to have both available :P
11:47 shivajiva    I currently don't have mt installed but I do have 0.4.15, 0.4.16 and latest all built and self sufficient
11:48 tenplus1     handy test builds :P nice
11:50 shivajiva    okay just made a world and for latest and it works as expected
11:50 shivajiva    -and
11:51 shivajiva    want a zip of it?
11:51 tenplus1     ooh thanks
11:52 tenplus1     you need email ?
11:53 shivajiva    I know your email
11:54 tenplus1     ehehe
11:55 shivajiva    how do I clean it up to reduce the size?
11:55 tenplus1     how big is it ?
11:55 shivajiva    200MB
11:56 tenplus1     wow, that is big...
11:57 shivajiva    ah I used that folder for cross compiling wonder if thats why
11:58 Wayward_One  Hi all :)
11:58 shivajiva    Hi Wayward_One
11:58 tenplus1     hi wayward
12:12 shivajiva    okay got it down to 28MB, it was the win folder that was making it large
12:12 tenplus1     hi Jordach
12:12 shivajiva    Hi Jordach o/
12:13 tenplus1     so all that's left is the 64-bit linux part ? :P
12:18 shivajiva    yup
12:25 tenplus1     back laters
14:35 tenplus1     hi folks
14:36 Mr_Pardison  hi
14:36 Mr_Pardison  afk-ish
14:36 tenplus1     hi mister: ) no probs
14:44 lisac        hey tenplus1
14:44 tenplus1     hi lisac
14:46 lisac        tenplus1: what do you think about #7069
14:46 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7069 -- [WIP] Add minetest.register_on_moveplayer by lisacvuk
14:47 tenplus1     wont that cause lag on servers ? checking if player moved and calling functions each time ?
14:49 tenplus1     if something like this is required for a mod/game then using globalstep and a quick keyboard check could be sufficient
14:53 lisac        tenplus1: globalstep is a lot slower than this
14:53 tenplus1     checking code :PP
14:53 lisac        this is called ~4 times a second
14:53 lisac        globalstep every 0.05 AFAIK
14:53 tenplus1     as paramat says, what about micromovements ?
14:53 lisac        as long as player doesn't leave the node, it won't get called
14:54 tenplus1     do you have a usage planned for this new feature ?
14:54 lisac        yeah, as paramat says, it's like on_walk_over
14:55 lisac        you can also try this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7069#issuecomment-368253315
14:57 paramat      if a mod detects every time a player moves to a new node (like a footprints mod) this PR will do it more efficiently
14:57 tenplus1     I feel a player node table would be more advantageous in showing nodes under foot, foot level, head level instead... then mods will find many uses for that instead of just moving
14:57 tenplus1     hi paramat
14:59 tenplus1     e.g.    if player[name].standing_on_node == dirt_with_grass then replace with grass_with_footsteps
14:59 tenplus1     and with that we could also include suffocation checks and more
15:01 lisac        tenplus1: you'd have to check on a specific interval, probably a small interval, which would either lag or miss nodes
15:01 tenplus1     the engine already gets these nodes many times per step in order to check for collision and more
15:02 tenplus1     all we'd be diong is storing them in a mod accessible table for them to use isntead of having to get_node
15:02 lisac        We'd probably have to store them every time a player moves, too, which would again generate more lag than this.
15:03 lisac        nothing prevents you from having that table with this PR, either
15:03 tenplus1     the engine already does this many times, all we're doing is storing what it already gets
15:03 tenplus1     +1 if you add this feature
15:03 * lisac      goes to craft an example mod.
15:03 tenplus1     :)
15:04 tenplus1     example mod for on_move function ?
15:04 lisac        I'll make on_move_player update a table indexed by player names containing nodes at specific positions
15:05 tenplus1     if you can do this in the engine it would be great, as for mods, playerplus already does this
15:05 tenplus1     and has on_walk_over active
15:05 lisac        what's the improvement on doing it in engine?
15:06 lisac        you probably would generate the same amount of lag, if you access the table on globalstep
15:06 tenplus1     the engine gets all these nodes already but storing in a table saves any mod needing to get 3x nodes for each player on each step... it's faster
15:06 lisac        I don't think get_node() generates that much lag
15:07 tenplus1     3 times per player per tick, oh yes, it'll lag :)
15:07 paramat      lua 'get node' is slow
15:07 tenplus1     the engine does it already per tick per player, we're just wanting to store it for access
15:10 paramat      let's discuss in the thread
15:11 benrob0329   Oh hey tenplus1
15:11 tenplus1     hi benrob
15:13 tenplus1     nice one :) all working well ?
15:14 tenplus1     both I suppose :) eheheh
15:15 benrob0329   (People are going to wonder why you're talking to yourself in the logs lol)
15:15 tenplus1     too much sugar prolly :P
15:15 benrob0329   Server is working good, need to do the "email comes from here" DNS  settings
15:16 benrob0329   And need to load some firmware on the laptop
15:16 tenplus1     no issues with openbsd ?
15:16 benrob0329   Going to try and rice OpenBSD with as little stuff from the outside as possible, it seems to come with a decent base
15:17 benrob0329   Sure, its Xterm but I can work with that :P
15:17 tenplus1     hehe, I use xterm as well :) nice n simple
15:56 tenplus1     o/ atorian
16:19 tenplus1     wb peppy
16:19 Peppy        hi
16:21 tenplus1     :P
16:32 tenplus1     hi Krock
16:32 Krock        hi ten
16:32 Krock        aagh *resizes window*
16:32 Mr_Pardison  'ello Krock
16:32 Krock        'ello Mr_Pardison
16:47 Peppy        {off} to me, having toxic guys talking to the kids is much more a problem than cloned map...
16:51 tenplus1     xerox123 it is already, stairsplus support is there if you have latest release
16:52 xerox123     huh, when I try and put it in just gets rejected
16:52 tenplus1     weird, stairsplus is definitely detected and stairs used
16:53 xerox123     stairsplus is loaded...
16:54 Shara        Remind me to never update those mods again then
16:54 red-001      !seen Mr_Pardison
16:54 MinetestBot  red-001: mr_pardison was last seen at 2018-02-26 16:51:40 UTC on #minetest-hub
16:54 tenplus1     lemmie check it
16:54 xerox123     but there's a stairsplusin moreblocks
16:54 xerox123     and a stairsplus outside of it as a standalone mod
16:55 red-001      ~seen Mr_Pardison
16:55 ShadowBot    red-001: I saw Mr_Pardison in #minetest-hub 3 minutes and 29 seconds ago saying "[off] Peppy: I take being a moderator very seriously as I like to keep the server running smoothly while the admins are either busy or away."
16:55 Krock        off leaks
16:56 benrob0329   ShadowBot, get your crap together
16:56 ShadowBot    benrob0329: Error: The command "get" is available in the Quote and Topic plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
16:56 benrob0329   *sigh*
16:57 tenplus1     working fine here xerox
16:57 tenplus1     plopped in 99 red bakedclay and it's letting me make all sorts of shapes
16:57 * tenplus1   makes a celebratory pancake
16:58 xerox123     could it be to do with the standalone stairsplus?
16:58 tenplus1     yeah, only use stairsplus inside the moreblocks mod
17:00 xerox123     hm, unloaded and restarted, still can't cut
17:02 xerox123     moreblocks is loaded...
17:02 Mr_Pardison  red-001: why were you looking for me?
17:02 tenplus1     o/ sniper
17:04 red-001      Mr_Pardison, nvm just needed to fix my ignore list
17:04 Mr_Pardison  ah.
17:04 red-001      had kiwiirc on it
17:05 xerox123     got it to work, moreblocks wasnt listed in depends.txt for some reason
17:05 xerox123     yay
17:05 Mr_Pardison  I can use the lounge webchat thing if it's easier for you.
17:05 tenplus1     depends for what ?
17:11 sniper338    tenplus1: Ohayo! ;D
17:11 tenplus1     :P
17:19 tenplus1     wb andro
17:32 tenplus1     Shara: do you think it'd be easier if a node had the group {stairs=1} to register all stairs required ?
17:32 Shara        possibly
17:32 Shara        not really sure though
17:32 Shara        what if you want slabs but not stairs, or just stairs for a node and nothing else?
17:33 Shara        You lose some felxibility
17:33 tenplus1     was thinking, instead of a mod actually registering all the stairs the group would have it done automatically
17:33 tenplus1     true
17:33 Shara        I don't want to redo all my mods either
17:33 Shara        I'd go mad
17:33 tenplus1     eheh
17:37 tenplus1     was a fleeting thought :P
17:40 xerox123     stairsplus support for cblocks would be great :P
17:40 xerox123     *wink wink nudge nudge*
17:40 tenplus1     lolol
17:42 paramat      #7067 is merged and intended for backport to 0.4.17
17:42 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7067 -- SAO limits: Allow SAOs to exist outside the set 'mapgen limit'. CollisionMoveSimple: Collide with 'ignore' nodes by paramat
17:42 Shara        Please please please let me know once it's in backport
17:42 Shara        Also, thank you
17:49 tenplus1     https://github.com/tenplus1/cblocks <-- added stairsplus/stairs support
17:54 paramat      will do
17:54 tenplus1     wait a sec, stairsplus doesnt do seethru blocks ?!?! damn
17:54 Megaf        MinetestBot!
17:54 MinetestBot  Megaf!
17:55 tenplus1     hi megaf
17:55 Megaf        tenplus1: I am afraid you are not in time gentleman. I have been around for a considerable amount of time.
17:56 tenplus1     lol, havent seen you write in channel :P
17:56 Megaf        Although I have been just chatting and not hubbing. You you know what I mean.
17:57 Megaf        I do want to make a new amazing Minetest server, I just don't have space in my mind for that at this time
17:58 * tenplus1   clears out childhood memories... how about now ? :P
17:58 ThomasMonroe lol
17:58 Megaf        You'd have to defrag the college area
17:59 Megaf        the current mem
17:59 Megaf        resident mem, and wipe out cache and buffers
17:59 tenplus1     lolol
17:59 tenplus1     hi thomas
18:00 Megaf        !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEf_hXaVvfA
18:00 MinetestBot  Megaf: 10 Best Movie Effects That Didn't Use CGI - YouTube
18:00 Megaf        :S
18:01 tenplus1     ooh
18:04 tenplus1     hi sparky
18:08 ircSparky    hi
18:09 Krock        Megaf, surprise! most pre 90s movies had some nice effects.
18:09 tenplus1     they are too quick to fall back to CGI now
18:13 tenplus1     hi Darcidride_
18:13 tenplus1     you have a tail
18:26 tenplus1     wb lJ
18:31 tenplus1     wb sokomine
18:44 lumberJ      thanks tenplus1, guess thats another alias i need to add to my alert list :P
18:46 tenplus1     lol, sorry dude, just me being lazy :P
18:46 tenplus1     hi redblade
18:46 lumberJ      no worries
19:06 redblade7    hi
19:17 Fixer        damn I'm good https://i.imgur.com/hCmIslV.png
19:18 tenplus1     nice compass
19:19 Krock        looks like a clock
19:19 tenplus1     heh
19:19 Calinou      nice nyancat
19:20 tenplus1     hi Cal
19:22 tenplus1     wb
19:23 Mr_Pardison  T.Hanks
19:23 tenplus1     Tom Hanks.... where ???
19:26 tenplus1     hi cwz
19:26 CWz          ello 10+1
19:29 Fixer        nyancat is not mine
19:30 tenplus1     just flew by when you took the snapshot :P
19:30 Mr-Pardison  lol
19:31 Fixer        when minimap in mc beta from 7 years ago works flawlessly and even has waypoints, and ours is not usable on $200 GPU
19:31 tenplus1     what's slowing it down ? the hud ?
19:34 Fixer        minimap
19:34 sofar        how is it unusable? it never gives me issues
19:35 paramat      ours used to be slower but was improved a while back
19:36 Fixer        $200 GPU, turning minimap reduces fps to 50-60-70 with noticeable jitter
19:36 Fixer        it is now dead gpu though
19:36 Mr-Pardison  interesting.
19:38 sofar        completely nonsensical performance complaint
19:42 tenplus1     hi sofar... *cough* https://github.com/minetest-mods/stamina/pull/18
19:42 Fixer        not nonsenical, minimap for MC just works on ~14 year old gpu, minetest one noticeably brings fps down on ~7 year old one
19:43 tenplus1     do we know how mc handles map so well ?
19:43 Fixer        no idea, problem is in minetest somewhere :)
19:50 sofar        it's not unusable. loss of a few fps is ... not good, but it's usable
19:51 sofar        don't say "it's unusable" unless you mean "it's unusable"?
19:51 sofar        the next time your game no longer starts, that's unusable
19:51 sofar        or you're down to 2fps total, that's unusable
19:51 sofar        or the minimap is all black or messed up, that's unusable
19:54 Shara        Also, works fine for me.
19:54 Shara        That's not to say it can't be better... but calling it not usable is silly.
20:03 Fixer        it introduces fps jitter in unpleasent way, loss of smoothness
20:03 Shara        I don't experience.
20:04 Shara        this*
20:05 Shara        Hmm
20:05 Shara        DIfficult for me to test
20:06 Shara        Standing still, no minimap, FPS = 99
20:06 Shara        Turn minimap on and it seems to be jumping between 97 to 99
20:06 tenplus1     so it's when generating map it lowers maybe ?
20:06 Shara        I'm standing still here. No map being generated
20:07 Shara        Hmm, got it without the minimap too now
20:07 * Shara      shrugs
20:07 tenplus1     maybe the fps drop fixer is experiencing is when map is being generated and minimap updates
20:11 tenplus1     hi ransom
20:19 Fixer        Shara: you should move
20:19 Shara        I did.
20:19 Shara        It doesn't affect my ability to play the game in any way at all.
20:20 Shara        And though this isn't by any means a bad machine, it's past the 5 year old mark now... I've also player MT with minimap on my laptop without issues, which isn't close to as good as this machine
20:21 Shara        played*
20:21 IhrFussel    Hello guys
20:21 Shara        Hi Fussel
20:21 tenplus1     hi fussel
20:22 IhrFussel    Still not sure what exactly causes my protection to not get loaded sometimes... it didn't happen in almost 2 weeks 2018-02-14 18:49:01: ERROR[Main]: AREAS FROM FILE ARE NOT A TABLE
20:22 IhrFussel    2018-02-14 18:49:01: ERROR[Main]: DUMPED AREAS DATA: nil
20:22 IhrFussel    protections*
20:22 tenplus1     ouch
20:23 IhrFussel    Before that it complained about "areas.dat no such file or directory" but that is wrong...the file is there and nothing else touches it
20:28 Fixer        IhrFussel: you should add more PRINTS or smth diagnostic into the code
20:31 IhrFussel    I already added a minetest.log() when read/write/serialize errors happen ... ^ that one got only triggered after minetest.serialize()
20:34 IhrFussel    Relevant lines regarding the error: https://pastebin.com/CvCqKJ7T
20:35 IhrFussel    Sorry it#s .deserialize() not .serialize()
20:40 tenplus1     o/ paramat
20:43 tenplus1     nite all o//
20:44 Fixer        ooo///
21:34 shivajiva    you have to be quick to catch ten before he leaves, he gives you the 4 seconds required to process it and exits :)
23:10 Megaf        !server Megaf
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23:12 Megaf        folks, if you are into cooking, we have #Minetest-Rice and #Minetest-Bread :P
23:53 ThomasMonroe lisac: LoS_Server> <monk> I've found a bug: when i switch tools using 1-8 keys, it always prompts a little text at the abottom about level 1 and nodes dug 0 for pick/axe/shovel while actualy those tools are higher level