Time Nick Message 00:03 Peppy hey sofar, i hope I'll soon be able to spend some time to finish the box i told you ;) 00:31 rubenwardy https://soil.rubenwardy.com/en/chapters/environment.html 00:31 rubenwardy !title 00:31 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Basic Map Operations - Minetest Modding Book 00:49 Sokomine Peppy: hope it's not another one of these jumping boxes 00:54 Peppy No it's not. 00:54 Peppy I started this one a long time ago and found out I couldn't use teleports. So, re-doing almost everything takes time. 00:56 Sokomine ah. looking forward to your box then 00:57 Peppy just be patient :D 00:59 Peppy anyway, i guess teleports would be a great feature... 09:22 Tenplus1 hi folks 09:23 VanessaE hi 09:23 Tenplus1 hi Vanessa 09:37 Tenplus1 Q. if I enabled floatlands with the exact same biomes woudl it mirror the 0-level biomes ? 10:04 CWz ello 10:05 Tenplus1 hi CWz 10:14 shivajiva Morning CWz, tenplus 10:15 Tenplus1 hi shiva 10:15 CWz Noon for me 10:15 shivajiva Hi noon 10:15 CWz floatylands 10:15 Tenplus1 CWz lives in the future 10:39 CWz in build 0.5.7 we will finally get coloured lighting 10:39 Tenplus1 what, where, how ? 10:39 CWz #livesinthefuture 10:40 CWz But it will be a while before it is stable 10:41 * Tenplus1 just wants 0.5 stable to start testing with... 10:41 CWz we will also have over 1000 servers 10:41 CWz 4 new devs 10:41 CWz and HTML6 will be out 10:41 Tenplus1 lolol 10:42 CWz Microsoft will descontiue windows 10:42 CWz Since PCs will fall into disuse. 10:42 Tenplus1 nuuuuuuuuu, I like my pc 10:42 rubenwardy we'd probably get 4 new devs way before then 10:43 Tenplus1 hi ruben 10:43 rubenwardy hey 10:58 Wayward_One hi all :) 10:58 Tenplus1 hi wayward 10:58 Tenplus1 saw your mac minetest vid 10:59 Wayward_One nice :) 10:59 Tenplus1 so long as they run mt servers it's all good :P 11:01 Wayward_One lol yep 11:02 Tenplus1 am watching clips from Love2D lua engine and it looks like it would add a LOT of functionality to Mt if it were implemented :D 11:03 Megaf Hi Tenplus1 11:03 Tenplus1 hi Megaf 11:04 CWz what minetest mac vid 11:05 Tenplus1 CWz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlTKJYBBj8k 11:07 CWz I see my server on the server list in the video, thanks for advert mr Wayward 11:08 CWz A free bacon winner is you! 11:08 Megaf bacon winner, hum 11:08 Tenplus1 eheheh 11:08 Wayward_One Lol no problem :P 11:08 Megaf I shall pass that 11:08 Megaf !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW70dL5430c 11:08 MinetestBot Megaf: 3D Printed Nitro Engine Plastic Connecting Rod - YouTube 11:08 Megaf I rather have one of those 11:09 CWz and the Iso Phorks Phecken suck it seemz 11:09 CWz *IOS 11:11 Tenplus1 I dont like the ads that appear in-game tho for those mac clones 11:12 CWz one of seems to force you to pay to join servers 11:12 Tenplus1 yeah, the coin setup where ads = coinage... pah! 11:12 Wayward_One Lol yeah 11:13 Tenplus1 I've been looking at basic_machines vs technic and wondering which would be easier for noobs and better for server usage 11:14 Wayward_One CWz, that was actually my own server it was trying to get me to pay for xD 11:14 Tenplus1 lol 11:15 CWz Tenplus1, the answer is neither they too effin stupid to use either 11:15 Tenplus1 heh, oh well :P 11:15 CWz also Wayward_One was there a banaland? 11:15 * Tenplus1 saw banana land 11:16 Wayward_One Yeah 11:16 CWz in the pay to play one 11:16 CWz ? 11:17 Wayward_One Yeah, they both connect to Minetest servers 11:17 CWz shit which means i am going have to update my motd 11:23 Tenplus1 o/ fixer 11:26 CWz I wonder if it remembers what "servers" you payed for 11:28 CWz Wayward_One, what is the name of the 2nd fork? 11:29 CWz hmm if there is a snake mobs, i think we should also have a plane biome mod and have the snakes spawn there 11:29 CWz *aeroplane 11:29 Tenplus1 aha yeah... is that the one ExeterDad has done ? 11:32 CWz my internet is stupidly slow 11:34 Tenplus1 what speed ya got ? 11:39 Tenplus1 CWz: you on windows ? 11:39 CWz linux, normally my internet is faster than this 11:40 Tenplus1 maybe work in your area 11:41 Tenplus1 hi raven 11:41 Raven262 Hi ten 11:44 Tenplus1 hi lumber 11:47 lumberJ hey Tenplus1, hows it going? 11:48 Tenplus1 good ta, looking into love2d engine to see how well it would make minetest animated formspecs :D 11:58 lumberJ hm, thats an interesting idea 11:58 lumberJ i like love 2d from the little i have played with it 11:58 lumberJ never occurred to me that it might be able to be used within minetest 11:58 Wayward_One CWz, the first one was Multicraft (not the one from MoNTE48, which is printed as Multi Craft) and the second was Exploration 12:26 Tenplus1 wb 12:39 paramat Tenplus1 i'll tell about floatland biomes in a few mins 12:39 Tenplus1 hi paramat 12:49 Tenplus1 hi lisac 12:49 lisac hey Tenplus1 12:56 Tenplus1 wb lumber 12:58 Tenplus1 hi sniper 13:00 lumberJ thanks, Tenplus1 13:02 paramat Tenplus1 answer is yes, float biomes will have the same XZ distribution if their heat/humidity points are identical 13:02 Tenplus1 w00t, so if I make a portal to floatlands on an island hthe player will spawn on same landmass instead of mid air ? 13:03 sniper338 Ohayo Tenplus1! ಠ‿↼ 13:03 Tenplus1 o/ 13:03 paramat on the same biome yes if XZ are the same 13:03 Tenplus1 kewl, thanks paramat :))) 13:03 paramat if you want to add floatland biomes to a biome system of your own i can tell you how 13:03 Tenplus1 am looking into a new-style Ethereal mod where the ethereal biomes are using floatlands instead of default... 13:05 paramat you will need to register a duplicate set of all biomes for the floatlands and set y limits carefully 13:05 Tenplus1 yeah, and removal of water :) 13:05 paramat no, ocean biomes are needed for floatlands 13:06 Tenplus1 even better :) although I will have to think of some new mobs to add for floatlands :D 13:06 paramat if you do this let me know and i'll explain in detail 13:06 Tenplus1 default biomes are so well done I dont wanna remove/replace them 13:07 Tenplus1 so floatlands with some mysterious coloured dirt/tree's etc sounds better 13:07 paramat ah good idea 13:08 Tenplus1 also am gonna limit mod generation for animals to a height limit of 80 13:08 paramat in MTG we need some dedicated special biomes for the floatlands, the current ones are just a placeholder / example 13:08 Tenplus1 is kinda weird having a cow appear otop a mountain :D maybe a goat tho :D 13:12 Tenplus1 how's the different stone types coming along ? 13:19 paramat early discussion 13:19 Tenplus1 caves would look a lot more colourful :) am all for it 13:21 Tenplus1 still would like to see silver appear as an ore though, can be used for many kewl things :) 13:24 paramat we're being more careful about adding new ores now =) 13:24 Tenplus1 just thinking since we already have gold, silver would be worthy for currency also 13:25 Tenplus1 also alloys, batteries, glass coating, chips, medicine, nuclear mods, photography items, solar, chips etc... it's a widely used metal 13:25 paramat it's possible 13:26 Tenplus1 mithril not so much as it's a LOTR metal... and we already have mese :) but silver is useful and wanted 13:28 paramat we've ruled out mithril 13:28 Tenplus1 heh 13:29 Tenplus1 hi mister 13:29 Mr_Pardison 'ello 13:29 Mr_Pardison quick question for you. 13:29 Tenplus1 ? 13:29 Mr_Pardison are there any differences between Ethereal and Ethereal NG? 13:30 Tenplus1 yes, ethereal is the older 0.4.13 and below edition that was started by ChinChow and taken over by myself 13:30 Mr_Pardison ah. 13:30 Tenplus1 Ethereal NG is the newer 0.4.16+ edition with new features and better functions added 13:31 Tenplus1 also ethereal forum page is still under chinchow's control :) ng is under my own 13:31 Mr_Pardison got it. 13:31 Mr_Pardison thanks. 13:31 Tenplus1 np 13:36 Tenplus1 wb CWz 13:36 Tenplus1 what isp are you with dude ? they need a telling off :P 13:37 Mr_Pardison occasionally, every isp might need that 13:38 Tenplus1 yeah, they increase prices but don't improve service 13:38 Mr_Pardison unless they provide you solid constant high speed connections 13:40 Tenplus1 I'll give VirginMedia credit, they do deliver stable speeds but they keep trying to increase prices which isn't nice 13:40 Tenplus1 hi thomas 13:41 ThomasMonroe O_O 13:41 ThomasMonroe a CAPITAL T!?!?!?!!?!? 13:41 ThomasMonroe :O 13:42 Tenplus1 hi Thomas <-- with capital 13:42 Mr_Pardison shocking, isn't it? 13:42 VanessaE yeah, he's ten-minus-31 now :P 13:42 Mr_Pardison lol 13:42 Tenplus1 nooooo, am getting younger.... *benjamin button mode activate* 13:43 VanessaE lol 13:43 Tenplus1 ooh paramat, how about adding gold/silver nuggets also for currency bits :D 13:43 Tenplus1 and of course future potions :DDDD 13:43 Mr_Pardison nuggets? 13:43 Mr_Pardison they sound tooth-breaking when eaten. 13:43 Tenplus1 1x gold ingot = 9x gold nuggets (like coins) 13:44 VanessaE better strips or slips :P 13:44 Mr_Pardison IOU's 13:44 VanessaE a nugget is after all gold in its native form :) 13:44 Tenplus1 isnt that a lump ? 13:44 Tenplus1 :P 13:44 ThomasMonroe how about gold leaf Ten? :P 13:45 VanessaE well it is in MT 13:45 Tenplus1 1x nugget put into compressor/presser :D 13:45 VanessaE but in the real world, a nugget is what you find when mining for gold 13:45 Mr_Pardison yup 13:45 Tenplus1 weirdly I kinda like how Mc handles ore... dig the actual ore block, smelt and give ingot... no nuggets involved 13:48 Mr_Pardison Tenplus1: as far as I know, the compressor is only in technic. 13:49 Tenplus1 technic really needs a redo 13:49 Mr_Pardison in what parts? 13:50 Tenplus1 simplicity in reading the code... ehehehe... it's all functions of functions of functions :) lol 13:50 Tenplus1 works well though but slow on servers 13:50 Mr_Pardison large setups can cause lag. 13:50 Tenplus1 yeah, hell even small on/off lights can lag 13:51 Tenplus1 basic_machines is easier on servers but a tad fiddly to setup 13:56 Tenplus1 o/ 13:56 Raven262 o/ 13:57 Tenplus1 hi lisac 13:57 lisac hey Tenplus1 14:10 Tenplus1 paramat: are ice caves possible or is it just stone it generates inside ? 14:25 Tenplus1 hi ae 14:25 Tenplus1 too short :) lol, hi aerozoic 14:25 aerozoic lol, wazup Tenplus1 14:25 Tenplus1 :P 14:26 aerozoic I was supposed to ask you about something, but i forgot what it was :/ 14:26 Tenplus1 heh, it'll come back to you :P 14:27 Mr_Pardison like a boomerang. 14:27 paramat ice caves are possible if i add a second ice node that 'is ground content', maybe freshwater ice 14:27 Tenplus1 ooh, intieresting concept :D 14:28 paramat or, an identical ice that drops normal ice, not sure which 14:28 Fixer oh boy, moving from ut 2.2.1 to new qbittorrent is pain in the ass 14:28 Tenplus1 qb is ok but I find transmission a lot easier to use :D 14:28 Tenplus1 unless you really need the advaned feature access 14:41 lumberJ nice Tenplus1 14:41 Tenplus1 :P very minimal 14:42 Tenplus1 w00t! 14:43 Tenplus1 yeah... turned off text and have icons only :) w10 style 14:44 Tenplus1 my whole desktop after boot is only 180mb... and it has everything enabled 14:45 Tenplus1 yeah... what languages do you teach ? 14:46 Tenplus1 like I mentioned earlier I've been looking at Love2D and that in itself with LUA would be amazing to teach kids 14:46 Tenplus1 so many new games in the making :D 14:46 Tenplus1 old school style 14:49 Tenplus1 I can see Minetest gaining popularity this way :) they will be proud of their own mods 14:49 Tenplus1 +100 14:50 paramat erm don't use off for ontopic 14:51 Tenplus1 [on] ok 14:51 Tenplus1 :P 14:51 Tenplus1 lua needs a decent gui library for projects anyhoo, so love2d fits the bill and is on all platforms 14:52 lumberJ lol, paramat, kind of started off topic and ended up getting sort of on topic :D 14:52 red-001 hi Peppy 14:52 Peppy hi 14:53 * red-001 finnally defeated tenplus1 14:53 Tenplus1 lol, hey red... hi peppy 14:53 * Tenplus1 was distracted by puppy 14:53 Tenplus1 o.O 14:54 aerozoic Tenplus1, i remember now what it was but after some investigation it's not your mod that is involved. 14:54 lumberJ Rubenwardy, I have a link to your book here: https://codeminers.neocities.org/ 14:54 Tenplus1 what was the issue aerozoic ? 14:54 aerozoic I was trying to make a one way door using protected doors and pressure plates. 14:54 lumberJ i've used minetest modding book a little with the students, but most need a little more visual instruction and don't learn as weel from reading based tutorials 14:55 Tenplus1 ahh... protected doors arent in the door group so wont work with plates/switched :P 14:55 Tenplus1 nice page lumberJ 14:55 Tenplus1 https://love2d.org/ 14:55 aerozoic Yep, and i don't think there is any way to actually make a one way door without finding a mod that will do it. 14:55 lumberJ my 90's style web design skills at work :P 14:55 lumberJ lol 14:56 Tenplus1 you COULD register a door but blank out owner so no-one can open it irl and have switches handle it :D 14:56 Tenplus1 so long as it's easy to read lumberJ it's all good :P 14:56 * benrob0329 walks in 14:57 Tenplus1 hi Tmc 14:57 benrob0329 Hi Tenplus1, lumberJ, TMcSquared 14:58 Tenplus1 is there any reason that Minetest has a Python2 dependency ????? 14:58 Tenplus1 hi benrob 14:58 TMcSquared o/ its me, ThomasMonroe 14:58 Tenplus1 doppleganger alert!!!! 14:58 lumberJ i think some of the middleschool students might be able to hang with love2d, tenplus1 14:59 Tenplus1 the example games alone are amazing :) but having access to drawing functions, bitmaps etc. would help them make their own apps also and allow them to run on phones 14:59 Tenplus1 my main thing when I started programming was to write my own apps as I needed them :) 14:59 lumberJ yeah, something like khan academies drawing course for lua in love 2d would be a good format 14:59 Tenplus1 even in basic/pascal I wrote my own gui library to help :) was fun 15:00 * benrob0329 needs a good IRC client :P 15:00 lumberJ i'm relatively new to coding myself, so i have to spend a good amount of time with a platform before i try to put together a course. 15:01 Tenplus1 I hear ya :) LUA is a good choice though 15:01 lumberJ I've got a couple projects on minetest platform i'm trying to execute now, but after that i'll probably try to get a little deeper into love2d 15:01 lumberJ yeah, i think its a good start language despite its quirks 15:01 lumberJ starter* 15:02 Tenplus1 minetest is a good eye opener for kids to learn, lua standalone/love2d to adapt and write your own 15:05 Tenplus1 noooo, I dont wanna see that one 15:06 Tenplus1 o.O 15:08 Tenplus1 k, I gotta go for now :) laters all o/ 16:12 Fixer jeez, qbittorent is clusterf--k 16:31 Fixer ut 2.2.1 was best and still best, sadly it has some serious vulnerability with option that seems to fix it, qbittorent is _dangerous_ to use 16:50 Calinou Fixer: qBittorrent is pretty good 16:50 Calinou I've been using it since late 2013 16:51 Calinou the UI is old-fashioned but does the job and it doesn't look too bad 16:51 Fixer Calinou: it is good, but handling files is s l o p p y 16:51 Calinou plus, it has an integrated search engine 16:51 Calinou it's not that bad 16:51 Fixer Calinou: it has critical bugs that may delete your files and such 16:51 Calinou that hasn't occured to me 16:51 Fixer it has weird errors without anything in logs 16:51 Calinou I use my NAS as a seedbox currently, there's a built-in torrent client 16:51 Calinou (it's only active at night) 18:46 lisac does anyone else feel like forum isn't the best place for mods? 18:47 lisac you can't sort them by last update, most downloads, highest rating, etc. 18:48 lisac also pretty hard to find some mods due to lack of tags 18:51 Krock mod database was a thing. was. if ever anyone has the time to develop such a platform (or find an existing one) will surely be accepted 18:55 rubenwardy certainly needed 18:56 CWz Hello, RobbieF 18:56 RobbieF Hi CWz. Been well? 18:56 CWz Yes. 18:56 CWz You? 18:56 RobbieF Very well thanks! 18:58 ThomasMonroe heya RobbieF! 18:58 RobbieF hi ThomasMonroe. How you been? 18:58 ThomasMonroe been doing great, and you? 18:58 RobbieF Very well! Exciting times all round. Busy busy. 19:32 Fixer minetest probably needs smth like this http://bananas.openttd.org/en 19:36 rubenwardy I made a mod database literally like 6 years ago 19:37 rubenwardy it was in php, and sucked, but it shows there's been interest in it for a long time 19:41 Shara It's something I would like to see. 19:43 lumberJ its a noble cause for sure, rubenwardy 19:43 lumberJ its been the place to go and find some old mods that don't seem to be stored anywhere else, at time 19:52 Fixer funny how speed of AV UI degenerated to a point where they show layout of stuff beforing loading it, like on those shitty websites, eh 19:59 Sokomine without krocks mod search i'd be at a lost most of the time. that serach tool seems to be the approach that works best 19:59 Sokomine i tried to categorize mods some years ago but had to give up due to the sheer amount of them 20:00 Shara Issue for me has always been how to assess quality 20:00 Shara Eventually realised there is no way unless I just read code + test them 20:04 Fixer and forum search is worst thing ever 20:04 Fixer WORST 20:04 sofar tbh the idea of minetest-mods was to get a more curated collection going where peer review would be easier and more acceptable 20:04 sofar so far that seems to be working 20:05 sofar if you'd make a mod manager in-game and just hook it into minetest-mods only, you'd get very far 20:06 Shara And lock out those of us who don't want to have our mods there? Nice. 20:07 Shara That would keep out some pretty popular mods :) 20:08 Shara Something that pulls from what's posted on the servers seems best. 20:09 Fixer also, github will die eventually 20:09 Shara Specifically from Mod Releases. Then anythign found not to reach the standard to be there can just be moved back to WIP or Old mods anyway. 20:21 sofar forums are not a content delivery mechanism 20:22 * Megaf waves 20:22 sofar technic is in minetest-mods, mesecons is in minetest-mods 20:23 * sofar shrugs, makes a project for other people, people shit on it 20:23 Shara Uhh, me not wanting to use a thing is not me shitting on that thing 20:24 sofar alright alright 20:24 Shara minetest-mods to pick up mods that have been abandoned is great 20:24 sofar "people dismiss it" :p 20:24 Shara To me that's a brilliant reason for it 20:24 sofar eh? there's only a few abandoned mods, and ... the whole idea of minetest-mods is to stop them from being abandoned 20:25 Shara But why should my mods be excluded from whatever just because I wish to keep hold of the main repos for them? 20:25 sofar your mod isn't community maintained? 20:25 Shara I'll take PRs gladly 20:25 Shara But I decide who gets the right to merge anything 20:25 sofar that doesn't change in minetest-mods 20:26 Shara Actually it does 20:26 benrob0329 Soon: All MT mods will be on a custom Git server 20:26 * benrob0329 hides 20:26 sofar well, it's nuanced, you write it as if people sign away their mods when they move to minetest-mods 20:26 sofar excuse me if I object to that paraphrasing 20:26 Shara Unless you allow people to remove them... 20:27 sofar it's open source, they can stop using it and continue development in their own preferred location? 20:27 Shara And na, not excusing you, but then I don't expect you to excuse me either :) 20:27 sofar it's not exactly hijacking projects either 20:27 sofar again, nuances 20:28 sofar anyway, I would frown if people made a mod manager that puts in random mods scraped from the forum 20:28 sofar that's just too easy to abuse 20:29 Shara If it's as I said, it would not be random 20:29 Shara It would be only ones moderators moved 20:29 Shara Including from WIP would be random, and I'd agree completely that would be bad 20:30 Shara (though it would be nice to think a "bad" mod wouldn't even last long in WIP because it would get reported...) 20:30 sofar having an easily trackable git tree to verify commits is easy to do and can be used to verify commits afterwards 20:30 sofar so at a minimum you'd want to build mod release tarballs for this in a controlled environment 20:31 sofar so no downloading from mrpickles.com to minetest clients 20:31 Shara Well, I guess you just want to exclude my mods, Ten's mods, mods like sban and sauth and so on then 20:31 sofar I don't 20:31 sofar at least those are on github 20:32 Shara Well yes. I wouldn't expect inclusion of anything that wasn't, to be honest 20:32 sofar not like some others (bitbucket, repo.org.cz, others) 20:32 Shara Should be in released mods subforum and have github link that works 20:32 sofar I honestly could care less about forum mods 20:32 sofar a lot of mine are still in WIP 20:33 benrob0329 >forcing Github 20:33 sofar heh, I should probably move them myselves 20:33 Shara I generally don't bother posting WIP mods to the forum at all 20:33 sofar I don't bother posting WIP mods, all my mods are usable when I post them 20:33 Shara Same 20:33 sofar they just go into WIP mods by default 20:34 Shara Well, move them so people know they are actual whole and functional mods :) 20:34 Shara It makes it easier for those trying to assess which mods are ready to be used 20:34 Shara In WIp it can be a nice guessing game 20:34 Shara WIP* 20:36 Shara benrob0329: I'm mostly just against when people link to a random download site and you can't see the code first 20:37 benrob0329 Shara: agreed 20:48 Megaf MinetestBot! 20:48 MinetestBot Megaf! 20:52 Sokomine hm, yes. mods start as wip. only a few actually are (although all will be developped over time if need arises. may just take time). guess i ought to clean up and post in that thread which mod ought to be moved where (some few got obsolete, some are long since something that belongs to released, ..) 20:53 Sokomine those people who link to random download sites probably do not know how github works 20:55 redblade7 hi 20:56 Mr-Pardison 'ello redblade7 20:56 Shara Hi redblade7 20:57 redblade7 any more nasty ip addresses or ranges to block? 20:58 Megaf !server Megaf 20:58 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 11ms 21:00 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=312568#p312568 lol 21:01 Shara sofar: you can move them yourself, right? :D 21:01 sofar honestly I don't see how 21:01 sofar "move posts" but is that the same? 21:02 Shara move topic probably 21:02 sofar probably looking in the wrong phpbb page... 21:02 Shara bottom right dropdown while in the topic 21:03 Megaf MinetestBot! 21:03 MinetestBot Megaf! 21:04 Shara I have two of those mods on my list of "mods I really should spend some time looking at" :) 21:29 * sofar figures it out 21:39 Fixer time is running out.... 21:39 Fixer god damn quassel stalling under medium disk i/o load 21:42 Fixer compile time for minetest with 7061 21:44 Fixer also, github has beca(o)me one of those 2big2fail, and when it fails - there will be a disaster, same with youtube (profitability unknown) 21:52 sofar that's why companies left and right are setting up their own githubs 21:52 sofar I think people will adapt. the nature of git creates a fast way of detecting modified repos 21:53 Fixer it is just initial shockwave and huge disruption and archivists golden time 21:53 Fixer and death of some projects that were left behind 21:54 Fixer webarchive needs to start selecting and archiving best of youtuve 21:54 Fixer tube* 21:54 Fixer actual best, not that clickbait shit 21:55 sofar sf.net is still hosting legitimate projects 21:56 sofar (there's an oxymoron in that sentence) 21:56 Fixer sad 21:56 Fixer it is more usable and stopped that policy of bundling badware 21:56 Fixer but it has projects like FlightGear 21:56 Fixer and ctulhu know how the hell their developers navigate in that hell 21:57 Fixer found a regression in refresh button 21:58 celeron55 when things become too big to fail, they just start defining to society what is good and what isn't, while not actually doing any good 21:58 celeron55 they fail but nobody thinks it's a failure, it's just accepted 21:59 celeron55 there will be a big group of people who think github is good even after it isn't 8) 21:59 Fixer it is funny how youtube pushed and endorsed clickbait mess, and then when it got really hot with that dead bodies and stuff it condemned it 21:59 celeron55 i wonder if we will belong to that group 21:59 Fixer also, I see a new shitty trend 22:00 Fixer opensource freeware in windows 22:00 Fixer at first it is harmless, but then they pack in adware, then pulsating donate button, etc 22:00 paramat server owners #7067 here's the new version of the PR that will help you deal with the world-generation/copying hacked bot attacks, but useful for other reasons too, please support 22:00 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7067 -- SAO limits: Allow SAOs to exist outside the set 'mapgen limit' by paramat 22:02 Fixer celeron55: depends on github revenues, hmmmmmm (googles) 22:02 celeron55 usually the point at which things start going to shit is easy to point out 22:02 celeron55 it's when a business is sold 22:03 Fixer GitHub lost $27 million in the fiscal year that ended in January 2016 22:03 Fixer celeron55: one of the points, yes 22:03 Fixer celeron55: buy out = RIP 22:03 sofar amazon didn't make a profit until last year 22:03 sofar losing money isn't a measure of success or failure 22:04 sofar the customer doesn't define failure, the business owner does 22:05 celeron55 losing money is fine if you're likely to have profitable years in the future 22:05 celeron55 or if you'll just sell the company to someone who thinks they'll get something out of it 22:06 celeron55 1) start company, 2) lose money for years, 3) sell it for 10x the lost money 22:06 celeron55 8))) 22:07 red-001 4) watch it all go belly up while you move to rio 22:09 celeron55 4) close all windows, doors, order a lot of pizza and play videogames for 40 years 22:09 rubenwardy the dream 22:09 red-001 kinda surprised github choose to release how much they lost, pretty sure that if you are not publicly traded you don't have to 22:12 red-001 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_corporation#Financial_statements ah 22:21 Fixer i googled a bit, other say they can be profitable 22:21 Fixer it is strange that there is no public data on this 22:23 Fixer ThomasMonroe: I have text over your refresh button... https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/16494741/36508838-84c1d7a2-1766-11e8-9ed6-8014471c115e.png 22:24 red-001 TMcSquared, thunderbird as in the IRC client? 22:25 red-001 ehhh 22:25 red-001 s/irc/email 22:31 Fixer red-001: wat? 22:31 red-001 -TMcSquared- VERSION Thunderbird 52.6.0 22:35 Fixer red-001: firefox has irc client, but thunderbird? 22:35 Fixer "As of Thunderbird 15, Thunderbird supports instant messaging and chat using IRC, XMPP, Twitter, and Google Talk." 22:52 Calinou yeah 22:52 Calinou some people really like using it as an IRC client, but I don't 23:06 * Fixer right now https://i.imgur.com/slwiasg.jpg 23:09 Fixer what I was thinking when created world Zucc? What I was testing? 23:17 Fixer I was testing carts, and they were fine 23:18 Fixer not sure about those reports about problems, they are not posted anywhere on github