Time Nick Message 00:05 Fixer instead of ban will be nice to have some kind of post limiter, say 1 post per day for 1 month 00:06 celeron55 yeah, again... phpbb 00:06 celeron55 screw phpbb 00:06 tumeninodes smf celeron55..., smf 00:06 celeron55 there's no end to these obviously good ideas that just don't exist 00:07 Sokomine celeron55: all forum software is somewhat...suboptimal. i miss good old usenet news 00:07 tumeninodes far more modules/options available 00:07 celeron55 i'm pretty certain usenet news is also suboptimal 00:08 celeron55 tumeninodes: more doesn't mean "those that we need" 00:08 celeron55 phpbb has a boatload of options 00:08 celeron55 out of which maybe 5% are useful 00:09 celeron55 the only reasonable way to go is extendability via a stable interface 00:09 tumeninodes but probably more of what you "do" need 00:09 tumeninodes and "true" to your most recent comment 00:09 celeron55 does smf have a stable plugin interface? 00:10 tumeninodes mmmmm... I believe so 00:10 Sokomine celeron55: it was a lot easier to ignore posters or threads with a common newsreader. no need to add to a mysterious "foes" list, no clicking of unintresting threads just to get them marked as read, no the-forum-has-to-keep-track-of-what-i-read 00:10 rubenwardy how do you use a newsreader with phpbb? 00:14 Sokomine you can't. that's the trouble. newsreaders where very useful configurable keyboard-controllable software. forum sites lack means for efficient reading. about all the advantage they've got is easy-to-use for cueless people and images 00:15 celeron55 harder to use for spambots is also a pretty good feature 00:15 celeron55 not that you really get any of that with a standard phpbb install, but... sometimes you do 00:18 Sokomine the forum gets hit by spambots from time to time. luckily the moderators do a good job and remove it fast 00:21 tumeninodes botz be botz... and always will be 00:21 rubenwardy not anymore 00:21 tumeninodes why, did you kill them rubenwardy? haha 00:22 rubenwardy new users have to have posts approved, which kills spammers 00:22 tumeninodes awesome 00:22 red-001 ah so those are teh measures 00:23 tumeninodes rubenwardy knows how to kill 00:30 * Sokomine takes a sword from one of the moderators and kills sofar for building an impressive puzzle box with annoying jumping parts 00:30 tumeninodes inside the box rulez 00:51 Shara Sadly I share Sokomine's frustration to the point of not feeling interested in the server 00:52 tumeninodes I have not gone on in a while but, I love dying in lava 00:55 Sokomine Shara: there are some very nice boxes. it's just that extremly annoying jumping :-( just doesn't work for me 00:55 Shara It's just a huge turn off for me. 00:56 Sokomine ..and i even jump around pointlessly out of fun sometimes in the game as such. but aimed jumping...seldom works 00:56 tumeninodes I never got into the whole parkour thing but I like ITB 00:56 Shara I can do it just... the server feels like it has so much promise in terms of being something other than that... then it throws that at me, and there's better jumping around type games elsewhere 00:56 tumeninodes I really wish someone could do one like pitfall with vines... so I could do some serious dying 00:57 Shara So the moment I hit any kind of jumping around thing there, it's just quit time. 00:57 tumeninodes baby 00:57 tumeninodes do you pout too? haha 00:58 Shara Then, but I poke. Usually in eyes :) 00:58 tumeninodes 00:58 Shara Hehehe 00:58 Sokomine Shara: yes...mostly the same here. i tried that box for a longer time (was really well done), but...the jumping is frustrating. if it's too much jumping i give up soon 00:59 tumeninodes killing something would be nice 00:59 tumeninodes kill this, it drops a key 00:59 Shara I hear CTF is good for random slaughter. 00:59 tumeninodes kill that, and it explodes and kills you 01:00 tumeninodes nah by the time you get there..., everyone is already dead... 01:00 tumeninodes cept this one dude 01:00 tumeninodes rupert? robin? ruben? that's it... rubenwardy 01:02 Shara I've also heard it can be very amusing to chase him with a sword. 01:03 tumeninodes that would be entertaining to see on youtuby 01:05 Sokomine hmm 01:05 * Sokomine hands a sword to a sandmob and walks away 01:12 tumeninodes that sound fairly irresponsible Sokomine 02:01 sofar btw, the idea of itb isn't to dictate what types of boxes people make 02:01 sofar that would be silly 02:02 sofar we just want people to make the boxes they like making 02:02 sofar so, some people make jumping boxes 02:02 sofar some people make lava boxes 02:02 sofar some people make switches everywhere 02:02 sofar my boxes are mostly a balanced mix, but, I'm only 1 of ~30 box builders 02:09 Sokomine maybe you ought to label them so that players can choose the type they like 02:21 Shara ^ 02:21 Shara If I could just play and pick what I felt like, I'd be happy to spend some time there. 02:22 Shara I also seemed to be stuck repeating thigns I already did last time I was there, since apparently I'm not past the tutorial even though I remember having done the levels before, and it makes it kind of dull 02:24 Shara It's just frustrating because it's close enough to what I hoped to do that I really want to be able to enjoy it :) 04:51 tumeninodes if I have a nodebox slab, is it possible for me to set the space above it (which makes up the rest of a full node) as air? And if yes, how? I need an example. This is just for a ridiculous idea that just popped in my head 05:01 tumeninodes can a new table be added such as perhaps "air_above = {" 05:04 tumeninodes or, not table... whatver it's called, added to param2 (really wish I knew this $hit better) 05:12 paramat the rest of the space is already air essentially 05:13 tumeninodes I know, it's just I had an idea, probably stupid but now it's gnawing at my brain 05:13 paramat but the space above the slab can't be considered a separate node as then you would have 2 nodes at 1 pos 05:13 tumeninodes I have done this before :P 05:14 tumeninodes I know about 2 nodes in one nodespace and I defy it haha 05:14 paramat you can have a node elsewhere that extends into another node though 05:14 paramat such as kelp in mtg 05:14 tumeninodes my thinking is related to the water problem with stair and slab nodes 05:14 tumeninodes I was thinking that too maybe that method could be used somehow 05:15 tumeninodes I was just looking at the code for kelp 05:15 paramat yes a similar approach can be used already 05:16 tumeninodes that method should also be added to grass 1-5 as they sometimes find their way under water as well (unless it already has) 05:16 paramat the slab or stair would be a full cubic node plus an extension into the node above, the extension is the slab or stair shape 05:17 tumeninodes would this inhibit other nodes being set above them? 05:17 paramat the slab/stair could then coexist with a water node above 05:17 tumeninodes would be nice 05:18 paramat any node would be addable above, not just liquids 05:18 tumeninodes hmmm 05:19 paramat land grasses do not appear underwater in mapgen so it's not worth the complexity 05:20 paramat so how do you defy and get 2 nodes at 1 pos then? 05:21 tumeninodes I guess that makes sense. although if as a result of landscaping, it does happen too... one has to go around punching it out, as it looks odd. Besides grass does sometimes gorw underwater as in lakes 05:21 tumeninodes I hack it hahaha. It was a mistake I made once and then I just went with it... 05:21 tumeninodes my stackslabs mod (but it affects nodes being placed above) 05:22 tumeninodes I set the coords of the node to the top of the node below and viola 05:23 tumeninodes I've used the same method with a couple other things as well 05:24 tumeninodes setting a window or gate into an arched window node in stoneworks 05:24 tumeninodes that was done by setting the positions to the node behind 05:26 tumeninodes but right now my brain is fixated at trying to resolve the slab and stair node/water issue, because it's driving me nuts for a long time now 05:31 paramat just make a nodebox that extends halfway into the node above, or plus extra bits on top for stairs 05:37 tumeninodes not sure how that is done but will try. is it just a matter of adding a second {positions go here}, line? Eh, I'll goof around with it and if I can't figure it out I will just open an issue and let the pros do it :D. thank you paramat 09:47 tenplus1 hi folks 11:21 tenplus1 o/ 11:21 tenplus1 Farming Redo updated to 1.31 - Added Pineapple (also juice) 11:26 Megaf Hi tenplus1 11:26 tenplus1 hi Megaf 11:27 Megaf rubenwardy: so, just made a simple compile test here, the 4 threads Atom from Kimsufi vs 4 threads ARMv7 from that dedicated Jordach suggested 11:28 Megaf using builtin lua, gmp, json and using systems sqlite3 11:28 Megaf ARM { 11:28 Megaf real 11m25.739s 11:28 Megaf user 41m4.640s 11:28 Megaf sys 1m0.380s 11:28 Megaf } 11:28 Megaf Intel Atom { 11:28 Megaf real 13m43.317s 11:28 Megaf user 48m6.320s 11:28 Megaf sys 3m27.176s 11:28 Megaf } 11:29 tenplus1 arm was faster, nice... what Ghz are each running 11:29 Megaf No idea whats the GHz of the ARM CPU 11:29 tenplus1 model ? 11:30 Megaf Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz 11:30 Megaf tenplus1: ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) that's all I know 11:31 tenplus1 1000mhz 11:31 tenplus1 wow, slower ghz than atom but faster compile time :D nice 11:31 Megaf tenplus1: well, 4 real cores vs 4 fake cores 11:32 tenplus1 am surprised that an arm desktop hasn't made an appearance yet 11:32 Megaf tenplus1: And I presume it uses less power too 11:32 tenplus1 2watts vs intel atom 48watt 11:32 Megaf iPhone and Samsung CPUs are already way more powerful than my Core2Duo... 11:32 tenplus1 my atom 1.8 dual core ht is good but yeah, mobiles kick it's ass 11:34 Megaf Ok, I have two identical Megaf Servers online, one is ARM the other is ATOM 11:35 Megaf same compiler, same OS, same build options 11:35 Megaf !server Megaf Server TEST 11:35 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server ARM TEST v4 0.4.17 | 163.172.154.119:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms 11:35 Megaf !server Megaf 11:35 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server ARM TEST v4 0.4.17 | 163.172.154.119:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms 11:35 Megaf !server Megaf Server v4 11:35 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server ARM TEST v4 0.4.17 | 163.172.154.119:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms 11:35 Megaf meh 11:35 tenplus1 lol 11:35 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30003 11:35 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30003 is up (10ms) 11:35 Megaf Atom ^ 11:36 Megaf !up 163.172.154.119 30003 11:36 MinetestBot 163.172.154.119:30003 is up (11ms) 11:36 Megaf ARM ^ 11:36 Megaf both in France :D 11:36 tenplus1 negligable diff 11:36 Megaf ok, Imma gonna have lunch now. feel free to test. cya 11:37 tenplus1 ehehe, laters dude 11:37 tenplus1 might make noms also :P 11:43 tenplus1 o/ fixer 11:50 Fixer hi 11:58 Wayward_One Hi all :) 12:00 tenplus1 hi Wayward 12:00 tenplus1 o/ 12:04 tenplus1 hi fussel 12:07 IhrFussel Guys I made a command that should take 50 steel ingots from the player when sending it ... can anyone tell me how I get that specific item and only 50 of it? 12:08 IhrFussel Hi tenplus1 12:08 tenplus1 take_item(50) 12:09 tenplus1 check how this barter store does it: https://github.com/tenplus1/money/blob/master/init.lua 12:10 tenplus1 it checks if they exist and then takes on trade 12:10 Megaf back 12:10 tenplus1 wb 12:11 IhrFussel Wait just a simple inv:remove_item() ? 12:11 tenplus1 yar :P 12:28 tenplus1 hi Jordach 12:40 tenplus1 hi aerozoic 12:41 aerozoic wazup tenplus1 12:41 tenplus1 tweaking textures :) added pineapple to farming redo 12:42 aerozoic Finally giving into demands? XD 12:42 tenplus1 ehehe, textures are a bit crappy but it works :) pineapple juice added too 12:44 aerozoic oh hey tenplus1, i was wondering if you have your own server? 12:44 tenplus1 Xanadu 12:44 aerozoic OOOOh that's yours? Awesome 12:44 tenplus1 Shinji owns the server, I do the mods and features :P 12:45 aerozoic oh cool 12:45 aerozoic So all or most of your mods are on that server? 12:45 tenplus1 yeah, a good way to test them all :D 12:45 tenplus1 will hopefully add the new pineapple tonight 12:46 aerozoic Nice, i should check it out sometime. 12:46 aerozoic Oh i had another random thought, it's seems funny that farming redo has pepper but no salt. 12:47 tenplus1 was thinking of adding a simple recipe to cook a bucket of water into salt (giving bac bucket) 12:49 aerozoic I was thinkin about that myself, there is no obvious way to make salt. 12:50 tenplus1 I'll draw a salt shaker and add recipe to cook water bucket into salt :) 12:51 aerozoic Sounds good to me. 12:51 tenplus1 and add group:salt so it can be used in all ercipes 13:03 tenplus1 git updated, salt added 13:08 tenplus1 I was thinking that instead of adding crops to the mapgen, maybe add a Garden Plant that when broken gives you 3x random crops 13:09 tenplus1 also adding utensils and pots/pans for specific recipe crafts 13:09 tenplus1 1x pumpkin + 1x knife = 9x slided pumpkin 13:10 tenplus1 hi LJ 13:26 tenplus1 hi mister 13:26 Mr_Pardison morning. 13:26 tenplus1 o/ 13:33 Calinou hi 13:33 tenplus1 hi Cal 13:33 Mr_Pardison hello Calinou 13:34 Raven262 Hi Calinou, tenplus1. 13:35 tenplus1 hey Raven :P 13:36 Raven262 I've been here the whole time, just invisible :P 13:36 tenplus1 using ninja skills 13:36 * Mr_Pardison goes incognito 13:37 Raven262 Calinou, You might want to see this https://crpgbook.wordpress.com/2018/02/05/update-19-crpg-book-released/ 14:06 tenplus1 hi twoelk 14:06 twoelk o/ 14:07 Mr_Pardison \o twoelk 14:07 Calinou Raven262: I'm not into RPGs 14:07 Calinou Deus Ex is the most RPG-y thing I can tolerate :P 14:09 tenplus1 hi RobbieF 14:09 RobbieF hey there tenplus1! 14:09 RobbieF how are you? 14:09 tenplus1 how's tricks ? am okie, working on a few mods 14:10 RobbieF great man. NEMS is doing very well and growing, and I'm releasing a new Plex Media Server distro for Raspberry Pi 3. 14:10 tenplus1 ooh nice one dude :) 14:11 tenplus1 seems arm servers are running smoother than intel atm 14:11 RobbieF NEMS is blowing up though - been an exciting time. Even Nagios themselves took notice. 14:11 RobbieF They're doing a case study on it. 14:11 RobbieF haha yeah really eh? 14:11 RobbieF smooth, just not fast. LOL 14:11 tenplus1 Nagios ? 14:11 RobbieF but learning to milk it with things like ZFS 14:11 RobbieF whoops 14:11 Mr_Pardison did someone say tacos? 14:11 RobbieF fingers move faster than brain 14:11 RobbieF ZRAM 14:11 tenplus1 ehehe 14:12 RobbieF Nagios Inc I think it is? - the company that develops the monitoring software at the heart of NEMS (I used their open source version to build upon) 14:12 RobbieF maybe it's Nagios Foundation? I unno. 14:12 tenplus1 heh, you're making it better 14:13 RobbieF Nagios is what Nasa uses to monitor their gear. 14:13 RobbieF Yeah, I actually am TBH. 14:13 RobbieF It's script-based. 14:13 RobbieF I made it a web gui 14:13 tenplus1 brb 14:13 RobbieF this month I wrote offsite backups into the software. 14:14 Mr_Pardison cool. 14:19 tenplus1 handy feature ;) 14:21 tenplus1 what's the overhead of running a nems setup ? 14:28 Raven262 Calinou, really? 14:28 Raven262 Well, I didn't really post it cause they are RPG-s, but because they are some older games. 14:29 tenplus1 classic content :D 14:29 * tenplus1 found a windows version of "Wizball" that's awesome (running through Wine 3.0 of course :) 14:30 * Mr_Pardison takes the wine and drinks it 14:30 Raven262 Its also fun reading how the elder scrolls series got dumber and dumber by each new game release. 14:30 tenplus1 aww, they forced them out for cash 14:30 * Raven262 installs a new wine then. 14:31 Raven262 Mostly, but everything seems to go bad when a small company that makes nice games gets bought by a larger one. 14:31 Raven262 (and everything goes to hell) 14:31 tenplus1 yeah... Psygnosis was bought over by Sony and it went downhill from there too 14:32 Raven262 But still, we've still got the old games to play them :D 14:32 tenplus1 emulators to the ready! 14:32 Raven262 I'm actually quite amazed at how good the wine works for me. 14:33 tenplus1 ubu 18.04 alpha comes with the new 3.0 stable which I was surprised about 14:33 Raven262 Oh, finally 14:33 tenplus1 got steam for windows running and it works well 14:34 Mr_Pardison nice. 14:34 Raven262 lol, lisac did that once. 14:34 tenplus1 some games I cant run on linux so wine handles those well enough :) 14:36 tenplus1 although I DO wish that games companies would release for linux as well... 14:36 Raven262 Yeah, its nice when they release something for linux. 14:37 Raven262 New games can't run on wine here 14:37 tenplus1 new games all seem to want DOTnet or something stupid to run them... 14:37 Mr_Pardison so nice when they do release a game for linux. 14:38 tenplus1 I installed "Shatter" and it wanted dotnet3.6 to which I cancelled it and it still ran 14:38 Raven262 Like dotnet is the future 14:38 tenplus1 why NEED something that isnt essential to the gameplay 14:38 tenplus1 microsoft crap! 14:38 Mr_Pardison ikr 14:39 RobbieF tenplus1 the overhead? Nothing. You just need a dedicated Raspberry Pi. 14:39 RobbieF It becomes the server/appliance. 14:39 RobbieF You can use it to monitor Minetest servers 14:39 tenplus1 woudl be handy robbie :) dont think shinji woudl be up for it tho :D 14:39 RobbieF :) 14:41 tenplus1 adding new farming changes is as good as it gets for now :D lolol 14:43 tenplus1 hi thomas 14:43 Mr_Pardison morning ThomasMonroe 14:49 tenplus1 is anyone running 0.5.0 dev on their servers ? 15:11 * benrob0329 makes an appearance 15:12 benrob0329 Hey tenplus1, RobbieF, Mr_Pardison 15:12 tenplus1 hi benrob 15:12 benrob0329 I have decided...to learn python *croud gasps* 15:13 Mr_Pardison hello 15:13 tenplus1 heh, you got a use for learning python ? 15:13 * Mr_Pardison isn't part of that crowd 15:14 RobbieF hey benrob0329 15:14 benrob0329 Lua just isnt general purpose enough for what I wabt to do 15:14 benrob0329 The libraries are all odd or nonexistent 15:15 tenplus1 yeah, in need of a good GUI library on all platforms for lua 15:15 tenplus1 but python is that at leaast 15:15 benrob0329 and a good http library for all platforms 15:15 tenplus1 yeah... Deluge was a kewl torrent prog made in python, remember it well :D 15:16 benrob0329 I mean we have curl but thats not for anything more than one time connections afaik 15:17 tenplus1 kinda wish all the libs/progs using python2 would hurry up and be upgraded to 3.x... 15:18 benrob0329 tenplus1: most of them have afaik 15:19 benrob0329 But the best GUI for lua is LGI 15:19 tenplus1 sad to say but GIMP still depends on python2.... 15:19 benrob0329 Which is GoObject, and the Gnome devs are about as far from considerate as I can think of 15:20 tenplus1 lua should have LGI packaged and ready on all platforms as standard, a gui is needed in any base language these days 15:20 benrob0329 I think having a good gui is more important than packaging it by default 15:20 benrob0329 Python has PyQT and Kivy for example 15:21 tenplus1 lua has none in the repo's, gotta compile it all yourself 15:21 tenplus1 should be a base lib 15:22 benrob0329 But for comparison between Lua and Python: https://gitlab.com/snippets/1697751 15:23 benrob0329 Very small program, butit strikes me how much cleaner the python is 15:24 sfan5 I mean we have curl but thats not for anything more than one time connections afaik 15:24 sfan5 wrong 15:24 tenplus1 hi sfan 15:24 sfan5 unlike many other http libraries, curl actually supports keeping connections alive for further requests 15:24 benrob0329 sfan5: oh cool, did not know that 15:24 sfan5 curl does pretty much everything you might need in a http library 15:25 sfan5 not sure what kind of "good http library" you're looking for... 15:25 benrob0329 Something better than LuaSocket and more cross platform than LuaHTTP 15:26 tenplus1 isnt python a LOT bigger than lua though 15:26 benrob0329 Or I was, I'm not continuing down the general purpose Lua path 15:27 sfan5 lua is indeed not good for general purpose appliations 15:27 benrob0329 tenplus1: yes, but it has a lot more with it 15:28 tenplus1 true 15:46 tenplus1 hi CBugDCoder 15:46 CBugDCoder hi ten 15:59 tenplus1 hi astorian 16:21 IhrFussel Please can someone help? My server crashes sometimes a lot of times cause of this: 2018-02-08 17:10:26: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod 'stamina' in callback luaentity_Step(): Runtime error from mod 'stamina' in callback on_player_hpchange(): ...t/worlds/oldserver/worldmods/3d_armor/3d_armor/armor.lua:557: attempt to ind 16:21 IhrFussel 2018-02-08 17:10:26: ERROR[Main]: x a nil value 16:22 tenplus1 which stamina mod are you using, the one from minetest-mods or my fork ? 16:22 IhrFussel armor.lua:557 is "if minetest.registered_items[item].description then" 16:23 IhrFussel The one from minetest-mods I think ... but stamina isn't causing it I think since the error line is in armor.lua 16:24 sfan5 classic mistake 16:24 sfan5 items can be undefined 16:24 sfan5 needs to be "if minetest.registered_items[item].description and minetest.registered_items[item].description then" 16:24 tenplus1 yuyp 16:25 IhrFussel You mean one time without .description? 16:25 sfan5 yes 16:25 sfan5 sorry, my mistake 16:26 atorian37 hi tenplus1 16:26 tenplus1 wb atorian 16:26 atorian37 sorry got disc 16:26 IhrFussel sfan5, so it's likely caused by an armor piece that got removed? 16:26 sfan5 possible 16:30 tenplus1 add pull so it gets fixed fussel 16:42 tenplus1 wb 16:42 ThomasMonroe thanks tenplus1 17:17 tenplus1 laters all 17:17 tenplus1 o/ 17:37 benrob0329 ghosting really is quite handy for when you have multiple devices 17:38 Mr_Pardison ah, the luxury of having multiple devices. 17:38 Mr_Pardison I wouldn't know it. 17:38 Mr_Pardison :P 17:42 red-001 !title 17:42 MinetestBot red-001: Sci-Fi Short Film - "Hyper-Reality" presented by DUST - YouTube 17:51 Krock o/ 17:52 Megaf Hi Krock 17:53 Krock hi Megaf 17:53 twoelk o/ 17:53 Megaf !server Megaf Test 17:53 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server ARM TEST v4 0.4.17 | 163.172.154.119:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms 17:56 twoelk has anybody ever used wxlua? is it any good? 17:56 Megaf Anyone interested in helping testing a server running on a dedicated ARM server? 17:57 Megaf twoelk: what is it for? 17:58 twoelk http://wxlua.sourceforge.net/ can run standalone lua scripts 17:58 twoelk sort of 17:58 Sokomine tenplus1: pinapple juice sounds great :-) please keep a glass for me 17:59 Megaf Somebody had a board that could run lua via hardware 17:59 twoelk wxLua homepage says: wrapper around the wxWidgets cross-platform C++ GUI library 18:00 * twoelk used to eat fresh pineapple until the mouth bleeded as kid 18:00 * twoelk spent part of his childhood near pineapple fields 18:00 Megaf oh 18:01 Megaf I used to lots of some sort of berry 18:01 benrob0329 twoelk: looked abandoned last I checked 18:01 Megaf mulberry 18:02 twoelk mango, rambutan, pineapple, bananas the fruit diet I grew up on 18:02 Megaf can't find mulberry in ireland tho 18:02 Megaf I grow up with mulberries, bananas, apples and water melons 18:03 twoelk abandoned , yeah, could well be 18:03 Mr_Pardison mm..... mango. 18:03 twoelk oh, water melons too of course 18:03 Megaf [02:37:48] Today, I have two devices on my desk that support Lua scripting 18:03 Megaf [02:38:16] (TI-Nspire and ESP8266) 18:03 Megaf [02:38:50] not to mention how many games that I play that have Lua scripting interfaces 18:03 Megaf There ^ 18:03 Megaf Lua via hardware 18:03 Megaf Solution for all Minetest performance problems 18:03 Megaf we just need to find a way of interfacing that thing 18:04 twoelk wxlua looked sort of promissing :-( 18:05 benrob0329 twoelk: iup or lgi are your best bets 18:05 benrob0329 I just did this research :PP 18:06 twoelk binding to [GObject based] libraries? can't parse 18:06 Megaf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NodeMCU 18:06 Megaf !title 18:06 MinetestBot Megaf: NodeMCU - Wikipedia 18:06 Megaf http://www.nodemcu.com/ 18:06 Megaf !title 18:06 MinetestBot Megaf: NodeMcu.com 18:07 Megaf Lua based firmware and microcontroller 18:07 twoelk [Crazy Eddy's GUI system] sounds like an interesting name 18:07 * twoelk is browsing http://lua-users.org/wiki/GraphicalUserInterfaceToolkits 18:08 benrob0329 twoelk: I couldn't find any recent documentation on CEGUI's lua interface 18:08 benrob0329 there are some bindings to qt4, if you don't mind outdated bindings 18:09 benrob0329 or Love2D + Nuklear (or similar) 18:09 twoelk CEGUI? - reminds me somehow of a name in a comic by Moebius 18:09 benrob0329 but the Gui world for Lua is really sparse 18:09 benrob0329 twoelk: Crazy Eddy's GUI 18:10 twoelk LOL 18:28 twoelk hm , CEGUI supports Irrlicht 18:51 Mr_Pardison quick question. 18:51 Mr_Pardison what's the range of attack for a mobile player? 18:52 Mr_Pardison as in how far away can they attack someone from where they are. 18:55 sfan5 however far the item range is set for the hand item 18:55 sfan5 (only applies if anticheat is enabled) 18:55 Mr_Pardison for the default diamond sword. 18:58 Krock that's 4 by default AFAIK 18:58 Mr_Pardison by default. 18:59 Mr_Pardison but one player said that they can hit things from 50 nodes away. 18:59 Krock there was a bug recently that caused an unlimited interact distance in the 3rd person perspective 18:59 Mr_Pardison jeez. 18:59 Wayward_One on android 0.4.16 there's a bug that lets you interact very far away, but that's been fixed in 0.5.0-dev 18:59 Krock where recently = a few months ago 18:59 sfan5 that bug is client-side so it doesn't really matter 18:59 Wayward_One not just third person in my experience 19:32 IhrFussel Guys it still happens sometimes that the protections don't load after a restart...no error from io.open() it seems 19:35 IhrFussel Maybe the error happens in minetest.deserialize()...will add a log to that 19:37 red-001 IhrFussel, you could try the patch I made 19:38 IhrFussel red-001, post link again please 19:45 red-001 https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas/pull/28 19:47 Fixer mmmmm, moebious 19:48 Megaf twoelk: sofar: gentlemen. I could do with a piece of advice. 19:49 Mr_Pardison what? Megaf asking for advice? 19:49 Megaf So, I am applying for this job as IT/Network Manager for this college. 19:49 Megaf I am trying to find things that are wrong, things that could be improved and how to fix and improve things 19:49 Megaf as well implementing new stuff 19:50 Megaf One of the thing I cam up with is using user based auth for the wifi 19:50 Megaf instead of a single password for everything 19:50 Megaf and separating access in students, staff and guests 19:51 Megaf each with a proper access rights to the interwebs 19:51 Mr_Pardison different networks for each or just a single network? 19:51 Megaf also, I would implement a local web proxy to cache the most accessed website 19:51 twoelk hehe, so they will always need you as rights-manager 19:51 Mr_Pardison job security! 19:51 Megaf staff will be automatically in a VPN once they login 19:52 Megaf student will have optional web proxy and a not so strict firewall rules 19:52 Megaf guests would have very strict firewall rules and enfornced proxy 19:52 twoelk several networks might help against single point of failure scenarios 19:52 red-001 wouldn't almost every site using https mess up that cache idea? 19:53 Megaf twoelk: that is interesting 19:53 Megaf red-001: nope 19:53 Mr_Pardison Megaf: give me a sec to pull up the nets we have here at school. 19:53 Megaf twoelk:one thing that I was thinking was making IP address follow the user, not sure if that would be good 19:54 Megaf and IP leases would be 24 hours long 19:54 Megaf I'd implement redundancy in the firewal too 19:54 twoelk IP-address as personal id? 19:54 Megaf kinda 19:54 twoelk you would need some central handler 19:54 Megaf or maybe just for staff 19:54 Megaf I'm looking at things like RADIUS 19:54 Mr_Pardison 6 different networks but the most used ones are the -student and the locked one for staff. Includes guest network (requires a login password to use). 19:55 Megaf tho I don't quite like it's security 19:55 Megaf and with WPA2 once you are in you can sniff everything 19:55 Megaf same thing for cable, once you plug in you can sniff 19:56 Megaf so one solution for this would be a WPS2 network, with captive portal, that would then put people in a VPN 19:56 Megaf I'm just not quite sure how to implement that 19:56 Megaf opinions so far? 19:57 Megaf *I know it's complicated. hence the need for good documentation and the need to keep be employed once hired :P 19:57 Mr_Pardison captive portal is what is used for the guest wifi network. 19:57 Mr_Pardison for the student one, you have to have a school email address to be able to use it. 19:58 Megaf above I saud WPS, I mean WPA 19:58 Megaf Mr_Pardison: problem is, user based auth is either WPA or WEP 19:58 Megaf extremely unsafe 19:58 red-001 on the topic of WPA2 how was that protocol weakness in it fixed without writing a new standard? 19:58 Mr_Pardison ik. 19:59 Mr_Pardison that's the problem I have with it. 19:59 Megaf check to security protocol in use 19:59 Megaf the* 20:00 Megaf I have around 1:30 hours of attention remaining, I want to use it to come up with ideas and put in the document 20:00 Megaf ah, also I'd like to implement a local software repositorio for the software we use that is freely available on the internet 20:00 Mr_Pardison and I was going to install wireshark on my computer and see if I can get access to the staff network and then show them how vulnerable it is. 20:00 Megaf Mr_Pardison: spoof you MAC before that 20:01 Megaf or buy a cheepo wifi nic 20:01 Mr_Pardison well, duh. 20:01 sfan5 red-001: it was just an implementation issue afaik 20:02 Megaf about the local software repo, then things like wireshark, eclipse, dia, libreoffice, windows trials and some linux distros would all be in a local server, we wouldnt saturate the network 20:02 Megaf I mean, the external link 20:02 Megaf their pipe is not that big 20:02 red-001 sfan5, funny sort of implementation issue then if literally every implementation of WPA had it 20:03 Megaf twoelk: sofar: and the holy grail I think would be implementing a MESH network and voluntary p2p storage. Tho that would be more complicated I think 20:03 red-001 I guess no-one thought about it but still 20:04 Megaf welcome back CBugDCoder 20:05 CBugDCoder thx Megaf 20:05 Megaf to control all that I'd use something like pfSense, there's plenty of nice plugins for it 20:06 Megaf tho myself I rather use something Debian based, custom solution by myself with a custom build hardware 20:06 Megaf currently they have one AP per classroom 20:06 Megaf it's a small building, I recon I could use one AP per floor with a powerful omni directional antenna 20:07 Megaf and 1 watt radios 20:07 Megaf I'd be still using 802.11b since it works well and it's very well supported by several devices 20:07 Megaf and maybe even 802.11a, because 5 GHz 20:08 Megaf All sharing same SSID for easy migration between APs 20:08 twoelk I have a portableapps.com repo on the company server and smaller more specific ones on local machines. makes updating and moving things around super easy 20:08 Megaf ok, one hour left of attention, better put some stuff on paper 20:08 * Mr_Pardison leaves this to twoelk 20:08 Megaf for public software repo I most likely would use something distributed 20:09 Mr_Pardison I'm out of my depth with this one. 20:09 Megaf like, one file server per floor with a 10 gpbs link to the APs 20:09 twoelk I point the local update requests of paf to may server repo so that they can't download wildly 20:09 Megaf Mr_Pardison: now we are leaving knowledge territory and entering experience territory 20:09 Mr_Pardison yup 20:10 Megaf twoelk: well, I just want something like, students and staff type http://collegename.com/Software_Repo 20:10 Megaf and then they can just download stuff 20:11 Megaf I thought about using Torrent for that, because P2P and would remove local from teh servers, tho I dont want the torrent to lean into the web 20:11 Megaf I mean, it wouldnt be a problem with LibreOffice, Dia and Eclipse 20:11 Megaf but what about Windows ISOs? 20:12 * Megaf looks at Shara 20:12 Megaf Not sure whoelse here with experience in IT infrastructure 20:15 Calinou captive portal is what is used for the guest wifi network. 20:15 Calinou some university networks (like eduroam) have an option to not use a captive portal, but rather a proper authentication protocol 20:15 Calinou so you enter username/password in your OS directly 20:15 Calinou this is supported on all OSes out t here 20:15 Calinou there* 20:15 sofar Megaf: 802.1x 20:16 Calinou I don't remember how it's called 20:16 Mr_Pardison Calinou: ik that since that's what the guest network page says right on it (Captive Portal Authorization) 20:16 Calinou (even though I'm using it at my current university) 20:16 twoelk win-iso (plural)? sounds like some traffic 20:17 Calinou you can't distribute Windows ISOs legally 20:17 Calinou what kind of university requires downloading Windows ISOs from their network? :P 20:18 Megaf [20:15:32] some university networks (like eduroam) have an option to not use a captive portal, but rather a proper authentication protocol 20:18 Megaf [20:15:40] so you enter username/password in your OS directly 20:18 Megaf that what I want 20:18 Megaf tho I'm not conviced about the safety of that 20:18 Megaf all students and staff already have an UID and PSW 20:19 Calinou why would it be less safe? eduroam seems to be working fine 20:19 Megaf Calinou: sometimes we deploys windows server VMs to learn windows server... 20:19 Megaf for example 20:19 Calinou yeah, I see 20:19 Calinou just tell students to get ISOs at home :P 20:19 * Calinou hides 20:19 Calinou I have tons of ISOs on my NAS due to this 20:19 Megaf sofar: is 802.1x widely supported? 20:20 Megaf like Android 4.x, iOS 4.x, Windows XP, Kernel 3.x 20:20 Megaf Calinou: that's how it works currently 20:20 Calinou not sure about Windows XP, but it's EOL for 4 years now. 20:20 Calinou upgrade your mind :-)= 20:20 Calinou -= 20:21 Megaf Anyway, droid 4.x and iOS 4.x still common 20:21 Megaf well, apple is good at killing old IOSs 20:21 Mr_Pardison ping me on another irc channel if something comes up that I might like 20:27 Megaf Calinou: is eduroam free/open? 20:32 Megaf Calinou: sofar: twoelk: Other thing that I've been thinking is caching main website, moodle and other essential websites locally and delivering a local version of it 20:32 Megaf basically a reverse proxy, yes 20:33 Calinou no idea 20:33 Calinou iOS 4.x is common? eh… 20:33 Calinou most users run the latest version, or N-1 version 20:33 Calinou Apple users are generally good on staying up-to-date 20:33 Calinou (with rare exceptions) 20:34 Calinou plus, Apple supports its devices for a long time, unlike Android OEMs 20:34 roben1430 >just installed lineageOS on s5 because OEM no longer supports device 20:35 Megaf LeneageOS community is a pain in the neck 20:35 Megaf very unfriendly 20:35 Megaf and they don't give a flying s*** for older devices 20:35 Megaf I tried 20:37 Megaf https://www.networkworld.com/article/2332876/lan-wan/vendors-hit-the-802-1x-mark-for-access--but-security-holes-remain.html 20:37 Megaf !title 20:37 Megaf from 2004 20:37 MinetestBot Megaf: Vendors hit the 802.1X mark for access, but security holes remain | Network World 20:37 Megaf not safe 20:37 paramat Megaf too much offtopic today, please could you use a separate channel for long discussions about job stuff? :] 20:38 Megaf paramat: Not sure. 20:39 sfan5 go to #minetest 20:39 * Megaf sees -Hub as a community of people with a common interest in Minetest. People that are happy in helping each other succeed 20:39 paramat see channel rules 20:39 Megaf paramat: if you op me I will kick you. 20:39 sfan5 it doesn't matter what you see it has, "keep offtopic short" is a rule 20:39 sfan5 s/has/as/ 20:39 * Megaf notice his medication is begining to wear of as he gets more impulsive again 20:40 Megaf wear down? 20:40 paramat i am op and will kick you :] 20:41 paramat this amount of offtopic is too much for #minetest also, new channel please 20:41 paramat it's ok to ask around here and invite others to advise elsewhere 20:41 Megaf paramat: I will be nice to you because you said please :P Thanks 20:42 sfan5 paramat: while that's true, I see no harm in applying a more "forgiving" interpretation of the rules in #minetest 20:43 sfan5 i'm missing the correct adjective here... 20:43 Calinou this channel isn't excessively busy 20:43 paramat i am being forgiving 20:43 ssieb eduroam is using WPA2-Enterprise, not 802.11x 20:43 paramat Calinou that's not the point 20:43 ssieb Megaf: I really hope you weren't serious about 802.11b! 20:45 Calinou 802.11ac is where it's at 20:45 Calinou our university has it :) 20:45 paramat take it to a dedicated channel please 20:45 sfan5 like #minetest 20:46 Megaf Calinou, sfan5, sofar, #Minetest-Chat please if you want to keep talking about IT 20:46 sfan5 (I personally have no problem with excessive offtopic in #minetest as long as it's not hindering talk about the primary objective) 20:46 paramat excessive offtopic is not allowed in minetest 20:46 paramat that's a rule 20:46 sfan5 correct 20:47 sfan5 but like I said there's no problem with being less strict on that (in #minetest, not here) 20:47 paramat there is somewhat, because we need to monitor it for MT stuff 20:48 paramat that channel is not 'offtopic'. maybe someone can start a MT offtopic channel? 20:51 Shara There's already a "chat" channel 20:51 Shara Though somewhat unofficial 20:51 paramat good :] 20:52 paramat oh just saw it went there, thank you all 21:11 Megaf ok, paramat left. 21:11 Megaf so, 802.1x 21:11 Megaf xP 21:12 * Megaf hides and almost dies laughing 21:13 Megaf ssieb: ^ 21:15 ssieb :-P 21:20 Shara Megaf: Stop being a child :P 21:20 Megaf lmao 21:20 Megaf Anyway! 21:21 sofar Megaf: btw as to recommendations, I would say that without in-depth knowledge of topography, issues and usage you can only make random stabs at improvements 21:21 Megaf So, Minetest, I'm testing this dedicated ARM server. Minetest is running jsut great 21:27 Megaf [21:27:34] * Nick _ChanServ_ contains illegal characters 21:28 Megaf Sorry, wrong channel 21:30 Fuchs *Serv* is RESVd for the very reasons that people don't get stupid ideas 21:30 Fuchs and I highly recommend not trying around with it :) 21:31 Megaf no need to offend alright, I have feelings 21:31 Shara Hi Fuchs 21:32 Fuchs hi :) 21:34 benrob0329 Megaf: I find that hard to believe when my tablet from 2012 has official images 21:34 benrob0329 and hey we're back 21:35 Megaf :) 21:48 Megaf why wouldnt it? 21:48 Megaf its Android 21:51 twoelk minetest on android does not always behave as intended so ... 21:52 Megaf correction 21:52 Megaf minetest doesnt always behave as intended 21:52 twoelk dunno wether mt speaks every android dialect 21:54 Wayward_One i've run mt on about 5 different types/forks of android so far 21:55 twoelk write in the wiki about it -> could be of interest for others :-P 21:57 twoelk I've tried on two regular android versions, one failed and the other kept freezing - but they where old crappy devices anyways 22:04 twoelk I once hooked a android device to a tv set and as the touchscreen was out of reach ran minetest navigating with wifi devices - kinda' not worked well - was fun though 22:05 Wayward_One nice 22:40 Fixer 12309 in windows, SAD! 22:53 rubenwardy My ad views on my pages have increased by 30% in the last month, but my as revenue has.halved 22:53 rubenwardy Damnit Google 22:57 xerox123_ :( 22:57 xerox123_ Poor ruben 23:38 Fixer rubenwardy: heheh