Time Nick Message 00:01 Fixer it is not like engine is bad, but minetest game just does not want to move forward to something bigger, I guess, so it is upsets/confuses a lot of people 00:02 Fixer i know there is progress in MTG, but in certain areas only 00:03 Fixer it is evolutionary becames more fancy, but gameplay itself is stuck 00:03 Fixer game mechanics i mean 00:06 sofar mtg has no goal other than the status quo, so there is no progress 00:06 tumeninodes http://www.ode.org/ <--- this needs to be integrated :) or something similar 00:06 tumeninodes last modified may 28 2007 though 00:07 tumeninodes all that is required for interesting gameplay is #1 a goal and #2 obstacle to that goal which need to be faced/overcome 00:07 Fixer sofar: but there is that page with goals, yet it is resisted or i don't understand 00:07 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome 00:07 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2 -- Burned wood 00:08 tumeninodes you're being rude Shadowbot 00:08 Fixer or maybe with just one param-t you can't move that fast 00:09 Fixer i liked how krock/sharas work was reused in MTG, that is good, there should be more of this inclusion of good stuff 00:09 Fixer maybe without kitchen sink, but good enough 00:09 tumeninodes homedecor has a kitchen sink ; D 00:10 Fixer homedecor is obviously not for MTG 00:10 tumeninodes I'm just sayin 00:10 Fixer i guess everyone agrees on that 00:11 Fixer Calinou: minetest can go on steam too 00:13 sofar give me a dead horse and I'll beat it some more 00:13 Shara Fixer: My plan is basically to work on my subgame at the same time as hopefully helping MTG< and hope working on my subgame from the beginning will show me things MTG needs or could use as well 00:13 * tumeninodes loves dead horses 00:13 Shara sofar: can't we have live ones first? 00:14 sofar it's not legal to beat those, in most countries 00:14 sofar unless you're a jerkey, I mean, jockey 00:14 tumeninodes glue 00:14 Fixer Shara: you are not the first here, look at every damn subgame or server 00:14 tumeninodes chicken mcnuggets 00:14 * Jordach sits at the back slowly developing Solar Plains 00:14 Shara Fixer: Never claimed to be 00:15 tumeninodes I want to add horse and buggy 00:15 Shara But you get nothing done by doing nothing, at least in most cases 00:16 Fixer Shara: solutions are lying in mods topic, just pick some :D 00:16 Shara Can't just go adding any random mod 00:16 sofar I think I arrived at the point I am now over 2 years ago - any MP/server focussed subgame development should not be part of what users download by default 00:16 Shara Make suggestions 00:16 sofar there is literally no use for it 00:17 Shara No, nothing server focused should be by default, but there also needs to be an easy way for people to know where to find anything server focused 00:17 sofar differnt order problem 00:17 sofar that's a tiny problem 00:17 Shara At the moment everything is MTG because no one even realises there is anything else until after they set up all the stuff they planned 00:17 Shara It's not tiny at all. 00:17 sofar relatively, yes, it is tiny 00:17 Shara It's why it's like it is 00:17 sofar no offense 00:18 Shara Fix it then :) 00:18 sofar I intend to, see some of the projects I've done in the last 2 years 00:18 Fixer people expect rough m31i31n4234e24cr156a6743ft#34 clone pretty much 00:18 Shara sofar: if it's tiny you don't need that long 00:19 sofar I don't intend to fix mtg, or fix "here's how to develop subgames" 00:19 Shara Not what I'm talking about 00:19 sofar I intend to develop something that *should* be shipped in the default minetest zip 00:19 Fixer dead horse ressurects as a zombie and bites sofar in a bad way 00:20 Shara Here's me been asking for people to help work on just that sort of thing as well. 00:20 tumeninodes Fixer, you mean in the Jolly Roger? 0_o 00:21 paramat Fixer MTG is developing well, better than ever, with lots of good things planned and coming, it's just very slow, there's no resistence to improvement as you suggest 00:21 sofar well, I really need to continue entity_ai and bring it to the next level first 00:22 Shara sofar: was that for mobs? 00:22 tumeninodes ^ yes please :) 00:22 sofar mtg is a bottle of glue already, if you beat it you just get more glue everywhere 00:22 sofar Shara: yes 00:22 tumeninodes or horses 00:23 Shara sofar: no offence, but I honestly wonder why you are even an MTG dev given your feelings on it. 00:24 sofar well if people are still using it, just walking away from it seems rude, at a minimum I'd want to keep making sure it's still secure and stuff works 00:24 sofar but, it will never ever do what I want it to do 00:24 sofar because there is too much resistance to killing all the bad code and bad API's in it 00:25 sofar because it would kill any subgame that would depend on it 00:25 Shara Which do you want to kill? 00:25 sofar no 00:25 sofar not which 00:25 sofar it 00:25 paramat MTG devs are quite useful even if mostly absent, they have good knowledge of much of the code, sofar certainly does 00:25 sofar all of it 00:25 tumeninodes kill subgames, let their creators update/fix em 00:25 sofar it's worth considering 00:26 Fixer sofar: is not that NIH? 00:26 sofar but, might as well make a new game 00:26 Shara Subgames don't depend on MTG... that's kind of the idea of subgames 00:26 sofar NIH is the dumbest word ever invented 00:26 Shara So I assume you mean mods 00:26 tumeninodes even the ones that "don't"... do 00:26 Shara tumeninodes: mine doesn't 00:26 sofar I use the word "game" instead 00:26 sofar there are actual subgames 00:26 sofar and there are mods 00:27 paramat yes so much depends on MTG it is limited by that, new subgames can be much freer 00:27 Shara I prefer to call them games too, but then usually no one is even sure what I mean 00:27 sofar insidethebox is a game 00:27 sofar the client has "games" 00:28 * tumeninodes needs foods 00:28 sofar anyway, I'd want to see a survival style game with mobs, yes 00:28 sofar I need to run, afk 00:28 Shara I'm working on a survival game but not with mobs, unless anyone comes up with something much better than the current ones 00:29 Jordach by the way, SP is meant to be somewhere between beta 1.7.3 and release 1.2.5 with new twists 00:29 Jordach with a sprinkle of modern stuf 00:30 tumeninodes mine is just a crummy building spinoff... no crafting, no survival... just..... build shit 00:30 tumeninodes ok, getting foods now bb 00:38 Fixer mtg would be long dead without paramat support pretty much 00:39 Sokomine tumeninodes: for some of us the goal is to build impressive architecture which nobody could ever afford building in rl. in a way this extends to creating mods, subgames or even the engine. other players need goals, yes. in general the younger they are the more they want to be told by the game what to do 00:40 Fixer https://twitter.com/baphometadata/status/960003927818276864 00:46 Sokomine Fixer: mtg mapgen got very nice over time. i'm glad it exists and is maintained 00:46 Fixer Sokomine: it is in engine, but biomes are defined in mtg iirc 00:46 Sokomine there also needs to be a base for mods. things are brought into the world by crafting (for which you need some materials to start with) or mapgen - which will only affect new areas 00:47 Sokomine fixer: guess both work together to create the nice biomes. it makes a huge difference comapred to old worlds 00:47 Fixer yes 00:48 Sokomine so...mtg is not that bad. i still think it's a good base (to add your own mods to). players who expect to get told what to do may not be happy with it 00:48 Fixer !tell Jordach mc beta 1.7.3 in a lots of ways was near complete game, what was left is refining and more blocks, if you can do that in MTG - you are set 00:48 MinetestBot Fixer: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around 00:49 Fixer new MC is bloated as hell 00:49 Sokomine better formspecs could open the world for adventure-style games: talk to that npc, choose an option from the dialog (old point&click), solve that quest. but that's hard to do with current formspecs 00:49 Fixer those black formspecs are creepy 00:50 Fixer our formspec need just one nice touch - motif-like look, FOR EXTRA HORROR 00:50 tumeninodes Sokomine: exactly 00:50 Sokomine fixer: what i saw of mc and mineclone2 worked indeed well together. but it is only just *one* subgame. mt has much more diversity. join a new server - and be surprised by what exists in that particular world 00:51 tumeninodes meh MS will kill off the thrill of MC eventually, just give them time 00:51 Fixer anyway, mc is long lost his hype, it is dead (in jordach voice) 00:51 Fixer and now veirdous like me go and play mc beta 1.7.3 00:51 Fixer on servers 00:52 tumeninodes heh 00:53 Fixer to me, minetest 0.2/0.3/0.4 always felt like strange hybrid of mc alpha/beta, but without mobs and carts, and with extra blocks 00:53 Fixer there were mobs in 0.2/0.3 though 00:53 tumeninodes an mob 00:53 tumeninodes :P 00:54 Fixer I will be fine if someone adds back rats, oerkkies and dungeon masters (aka pedobears), back to the roots 00:54 Fixer gn 00:56 tumeninodes need some sparkly, swirly, colorful fx, that'll make em all come a runnin 00:56 tumeninodes and some happy bing bling sounds which trigger feeling of achievement 00:57 tumeninodes MTG needs... gifs... yes, that's the answer. gifs solve everything 00:59 tumeninodes and everyone should go try this now... take a break n chill http://garnetgames.com/puzzlemoppet/ 00:59 tumeninodes !title 00:59 MinetestBot tumeninodes: Puzzle Moppet - Garnet Games 01:00 tumeninodes :| ohhh MinetestBot, you're so informed 01:01 tumeninodes gonna eat and bed... night folks 01:21 * Sokomine hands tumeninodes very colorful plasterwork blocks 10:10 sfan5 " But Minecore will not be a small "fork" that branches directly off of Minetest. We are taking it into separate development to make it something of its own, without forgetting about its origin, -which is Minetest. Ours will not be connected to Minetest as a traditional fork in its final product. " 10:11 sfan5 it's not a fork but actually it's one AND we're changing the name 10:11 sfan5 🤔 10:24 celeron55 such a waste of words 8) 12:32 IhrFussel Hi there guys 12:50 tenplus1 hi folks 13:07 tenplus1 Mobs Redo/Animal/Monster/Npc now has updated translations and malay added 13:18 nerzhul it's just a rebranded minetest 13:18 tenplus1 hi nerzhul 13:24 tenplus1 what's thi about a new minetest ? 13:25 tenplus1 hi mister 13:25 Mr-Pardison hello ten 13:25 tenplus1 o/ 13:25 nerzhul hi tenplus1 13:25 tenplus1 :P 13:26 Mr-Pardison \o 13:26 tenplus1 did someone fork minetest again ? 13:26 Mr-Pardison I didn't stick a fork in it. 13:26 Mr-Pardison that's just a cruel thing to do. 13:26 tenplus1 not unless it's tasty but too hot 13:27 Mr-Pardison true 13:27 tenplus1 hi Jordach 13:27 Mr-Pardison g'day Jordach 13:27 * tenplus1 blames Jordach for fork 13:27 Mr-Pardison do you have proof? 13:27 Jordach wat 13:27 Jordach waaaat 13:27 tenplus1 lol 13:28 Mr-Pardison it's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. 13:28 * Jordach launches warframe 13:28 Jordach i ain't done shit 13:28 rubenwardy it's more like a subgame and texture pack 13:28 tenplus1 hi ruben... so it's not a new engine, just a [game] file ? 13:28 rubenwardy it's a rebranded engine currently 13:28 Jordach >not mentioning the full fat re-writes of mods 13:28 Mr-Pardison pretty much. 13:28 rubenwardy not sure if they even have that 13:29 rubenwardy hopefully they'll do engine stuff and add the stuff they promise 13:29 rubenwardy but don't hold your breath 13:29 tenplus1 what kinda things are they promiosing ? and why not just stick to making a [game] file everyone can use on MT 13:29 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=19597 13:30 Mr-Pardison tenplus1: why not kindly ask them to contribute to fixing stuff that is wrong with the game and/or engine itself before trying to fork either of those? 13:31 tenplus1 if what I read is how they're planning to go ahead then I hope they manage it... and add some pulls to MT in the process 13:33 tenplus1 just curious as to why everyone wants to fork mt instead of just supplying a worknig game... seems a lot more work 13:33 rubenwardy all the credit 13:33 tenplus1 even though the majority has already been done by many other devs 13:35 nerzhul tenplus1 they can say our game is the best whereas engine is not modified and they change the graphics, it's like having a ferrari with a lada engine :p 13:35 rubenwardy game#2042 13:35 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2042 -- Add space 13:36 tenplus1 space would be nice, although I'm waiting for paramat's layering changes so we can create custom biomes at specific levels to simulate any number of realms 13:37 rubenwardy don't hold your breath 13:37 rubenwardy XD 13:37 tenplus1 :( 13:37 tenplus1 been wishing for that for years now 13:37 rubenwardy took like 2 years for minetest.get_biome() 13:37 tenplus1 lol 13:37 rubenwardy well 13:37 rubenwardy unless paramat says it's a priority 13:38 Mr-Pardison rubenwardy: I agree that as of now, the best implementation of the issue you raised is other worlds 13:38 rubenwardy I guess it's more mapgen related than get_biome() - which is more code-y 13:38 rubenwardy other worlds is almost perfect as to what I'd like 13:38 rubenwardy well, it's also my inspiration 13:38 tenplus1 I'd say layered mapgens are more important cause it opens the door to better mods that run faster than voxelmanip 13:39 rubenwardy the only things it doesn't do so well (correct me if I'm wrong) is travelling to space, and mechanics when in space (vacuum, physics, etc) 13:39 rubenwardy err, player physics 13:39 tenplus1 player physics needs an api... a table containing levels for gravity etc 13:39 Mr-Pardison different gravity level in space? 13:40 rubenwardy I'd like there to be 0G 13:40 rubenwardy but that's an engine issue 13:40 rubenwardy I was more talking about automatically giving fly or jetpacks, or w/e 13:40 Mr-Pardison you do know that 0G isn't an actual thing as there is still microgravity in space. 13:40 tenplus1 player.lua coudl be rewritten to handle specific gravities and levels 13:40 rubenwardy former is simpler 13:41 rubenwardy yeah, but it's negligible for our intents and purposes 13:41 tenplus1 hi sniper 13:43 sniper338 tenplus1: Ohayo! ;D 13:52 tenplus1 hi thomas 13:53 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1 13:54 celeron55 actually all of that is wrong; there's gravity in space but you generally want to get to an orbit 13:55 celeron55 (to avoid falling down and crashing and dying) 13:55 tenplus1 hi celeron 13:55 ThomasMonroe o/ celeron55 13:56 celeron55 hi 8) 13:56 tenplus1 myabe we could have a ceiling to the world and above that gravity starts to get lower 13:56 tenplus1 ? 13:56 Mr-Pardison makes sense as that's how gravity works irl 13:57 ThomasMonroe if you really want to get realistic, then the force multiplier should be the inverse of the square of the distance from the ground 13:58 ThomasMonroe ie G*(1/d^2) 13:58 tenplus1 o.O 13:58 ThomasMonroe however underground the gravity should remain the same IMO 13:59 ThomasMonroe :P 14:00 Fixer hi 14:00 tenplus1 something like player monoids api shoudl be included in default 14:00 tenplus1 hi fixer 14:00 Fixer tenplus1: what amiga you had? 14:00 tenplus1 I've had Amiga 500 and A1200 (build into tower with PPC 166mhz board with Blizzard 8mb 3d gfx) w00t! 14:01 Fixer tenplus1: did you have hard drive? how you work with that workbench, amiga has only 1 3'5" is not it, so workbench floppy needs to be in all time? 14:02 tenplus1 I had wb 3.1 with squirrel scsi for dvdrw , also eide 120mb hdd 14:02 tenplus1 it was souped up and running better than any pc at the time :) 14:02 Fixer tenplus1: but if you had no IDE drive 14:03 tenplus1 I had 120mb eide hard drive 14:03 Fixer tenplus1: so you load workbench... what now, how you ran programs if you have no IDE or second floppy? 14:03 ThomasMonroe updated screenshot for #6722 14:03 ThomasMonroe https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/26969467/35863358-545ab196-0b46-11e8-8ff0-a6dda088eb8e.png 14:03 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6722 -- Add more settings to the pause menu. 14:04 Fixer tenplus1: is not workbench loaded into RAM, and then you can switch floppy? 14:04 tenplus1 it booted WB 3.1 from hdd and I had everything installed waiting to use (miami for tcpip web etc and amiIRC) 14:04 Mr-Pardison ThomasMonroe: wouldn't it make more sense if when sound is muted that the sound slider would go to 0 and then when un-muted return back to where it was before? 14:04 tenplus1 imagefx for graphics, cinema4d and many more kewl apps 14:04 Fixer tenplus1: i know, with hdd it is easy, but without HDD, with only stock amiga 500 or 1200 14:05 tenplus1 wb is a simple librari on floppy, you can easily copy the needed libs and otehr programs you need onto a single fdd and boot from it :) 14:05 tenplus1 yeah it mostly goes to memory, or you can create ramdisk: and place what you need in there with alias' 14:06 Fixer tenplus1: so you can fit workbench with some program on one floppy? 14:07 tenplus1 yup, WB is so modular you can cherry pick what you want on the disk, cutting it right down to next to nothing 14:07 tenplus1 many of the AmosPD disks I gave to the pd libs booted into demos and such that way 14:07 tenplus1 hi lumberJ 14:07 Fixer tenplus1: but stuff like deluxe paint can be loaded of floppy even without workbench? 14:08 tenplus1 yeah, it only needs CLI/Shell to run, wb is only there if you need some sort of desktop to work on 14:08 tenplus1 most of WB is on the Rom, it only needs LoadWB command to go into it and a few libs (80kb) 14:10 ThomasMonroe hmm maybe Mr-Pardison, but that would have to use a global variable, which I don't want to do. 14:11 Mr-Pardison then just make it go to a lighter shade of grey? 14:11 tenplus1 e.g. running a game or app solely from floppy only needs the basic libs to run... but needing to run specific programs from icon needs loadwb and supporting libs 14:11 ThomasMonroe Mr-Pardison, hmm I might be able to disable it, not sure though 14:13 lumberJ hey tenplus1, hello all 14:13 tenplus1 o/ 14:13 ThomasMonroe hey lumberJ 14:13 Mr-Pardison \o 14:16 tenplus1 stairsplus should have a minetest.after(0,function()) delay before creating stairs so that it loads every mod beforehand and creates stairs for them all at the one time instead of them needing to support IT 14:39 tenplus1 you having issues with your IRC client Thomas ? 14:39 ThomasMonroe nah got up to do something 14:39 tenplus1 :P 14:42 ThomasMonroe hey tenplus1, you ever played with the MT shaders? 14:42 tenplus1 enabled for some screenshots or showing off MT, but not really keeping them on when playing myself :) I get better fps without 'em 14:43 ThomasMonroe no I meant playing around with them 14:43 ThomasMonroe like tweaking them and such 14:43 tenplus1 sadly no, never got around to trying that out 14:43 ThomasMonroe :| 14:44 ThomasMonroe I'll make a thread with some of my modifications on there 14:44 tenplus1 what kinda things did you tinker with ? 14:44 ThomasMonroe the colors :D 14:44 tenplus1 heh, predator vision ? 14:45 ThomasMonroe not yet 14:45 ThomasMonroe mostly weird stuff 14:45 ThomasMonroe like totally inverted 14:45 tenplus1 wonder if anyone has gotten BLOOM working 14:45 ThomasMonroe you need post processing to do that 14:46 ThomasMonroe even one stage postprocessing you could do that 14:47 tenplus1 I focus mostly on lua performance though rather than graphical effects :) 14:47 tenplus1 if possible I'd rather tinker with the code to make things run smoother :D 14:47 ThomasMonroe yeah, but performance is only half of the fun ;D 14:48 tenplus1 true :) 14:48 ThomasMonroe try playing when its totally black and white, no gray 14:48 ThomasMonroe XD 14:48 tenplus1 can only do so much on my nvidia ion v.2 mobile graphics :D 14:48 ThomasMonroe true 14:48 tenplus1 ooh, sounds trippy 14:49 ThomasMonroe its not that fun actually, but I only tried at a halfway threshold 14:49 tenplus1 would be fun to have full 360 degree vision and play the game :D 14:50 ThomasMonroe I made a posteurized shader, only about 3-4 shades of each color :D 14:50 tenplus1 hah 8-bit gameplay :) that'd be fun to try... fixed colour palette 14:51 tenplus1 although from the texture packs I've seen it'd still look amazing if done right 14:51 ThomasMonroe the caves are lacking though 14:51 tenplus1 yeah wish we had more ores in default 14:53 tenplus1 I'd happily include quartz/lapis/silver/mithril 14:53 Calinou hi :) 14:53 Calinou I'm wearing glasses now 14:53 tenplus1 how do they fit? 14:54 Mr-Pardison welcome to the world of those who can see better due to glasses. 14:55 Calinou tenplus1: they fit well :) 14:55 Calinou it feels like I installed an HD texture pack :D 14:55 tenplus1 kewl... sometimes glasses can add to a look :) 14:55 ThomasMonroe Calinou, lol 14:55 tenplus1 :PP 15:00 tenplus1 hi twoelk 15:01 twoelk o/ 15:01 ThomasMonroe o/ twoelk 15:01 Mr-Pardison \o twoelk 15:01 twoelk \o 15:01 tenplus1 o~ 15:01 Mr-Pardison ~o~ 15:01 twoelk ~o~ 15:02 tenplus1 \o/ /o\ oC /o\ 15:03 tenplus1 hi benrob 15:03 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1 15:03 tenplus1 hows things 15:04 benrob0329 Good 15:04 tenplus1 :) 15:05 tenplus1 lol, nice logo 15:07 Mr-Pardison [ff] now that we're in [off] mode, anyone have any ideas on how to repair the root file system of fedora from rescue mode where you have access to GRUB? 15:13 tenplus1 prolly easier to do so Mr-Pardison, I have lubuntu setup with /home in separate partition for quick re-isntall (5 mins) 15:14 Mr-Pardison any advice on what my partitions should be and number of them? 15:14 tenplus1 do you install many apps other than default ??? 15:14 Mr-Pardison I haven't installed anything other than MT. 15:15 tenplus1 I have 50gb root '/' and the rest as '/home' ... works well and can be easily recovered with your files save 15:15 tenplus1 *safe 15:15 tenplus1 swap partition is up to you but a few gb wont go amis 15:15 Mr-Pardison should I make a partition for recovery in the event that this happens again? 15:15 tenplus1 nah, it's a lot easier to re-install 15:16 tenplus1 so long a your files are on /home they will be safe while you re-isntall system 15:16 benrob0329 Fixing isn't necessarily hard if you know what your doing 15:16 Mr-Pardison I will have to transfer them there since I have my stuff in /downloads 15:16 Mr-Pardison boot int oit from the media then transfer them over. 15:16 Mr-Pardison *into it 15:17 tenplus1 backup your data, re-insrtall with new partitions and keep files safe on /home :) 15:19 IhrFussel Guys does MT *require* a drawtype for nodes? Or does it have a default? 15:19 tenplus1 it defaults to "normal" 15:20 tenplus1 als hi fussel 15:23 tenplus1 no probs 15:23 tenplus1 it'l be fun benrob 15:23 benrob0329 Oh yes, these projects always are 15:26 tenplus1 wb... 15:27 Mr_Pardison ty. 15:27 tenplus1 there's a way to boot from an .ISO image using grub... so that when main system fails you always have a fallback 15:29 tenplus1 although you lose that ability when systemd-boot comes into play 15:29 * tenplus1 glared at sofar 15:29 tenplus1 :P 15:39 IhrFussel Does os.execute() require disabled mod security? attempt to call field 'execute' (a nil value) 15:39 tenplus1 yeah think so, mod security must be disabled or mod itself included in safe mods to run setting 15:40 IhrFussel What's the conf setting again to exclude that mod? 15:40 VanessaE why do you need os.execute? 15:40 IhrFussel Create a folder if it doesn't exist yet 15:40 tenplus1 secure.trusted_mods = 15:41 VanessaE isn't there already an API call to do that? 15:42 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2491 15:42 VanessaE so, you don't need os.execute. 15:43 tenplus1 o/ Vanessa 15:43 IhrFussel VanessaE, I'm asking for someone in #minetest who got that error by his mod 15:43 VanessaE (I assume 'path' starts in the world folder) 15:43 VanessaE IhrFussel: tell him what I told you, then 15:43 IhrFussel He is no coder 15:43 VanessaE don't let him use an insecure mod. 15:44 IhrFussel Don't expect a normal user to know how to edit lua code 15:44 VanessaE so yell at the modder who made it. 15:45 * tenplus1 yells at donut for not having sprinkles 15:45 VanessaE heh 15:45 Mr_Pardison well, that's on you as you ordered the wrong kind. 15:46 tenplus1 :P 15:46 VanessaE IhrFussel: bottom line, if a mod wants os.execute, the modder is doing something wrong, and the mod should not be used. os.execute is not only insecure (Obviously), it's OS-specific 15:46 Fixer systemd is like minecraft today, huge bloat and mess 15:47 Fixer too huge to iron out bugs easily 15:47 tenplus1 what do they need to create a folder for ? 15:47 Mr_Pardison like a dead whale that has washed up on the beach. 15:47 IhrFussel I have mod security disabled on my server because I don't like being patronized ... So I couldn't care less which mod uses os.execute() since I read through the code of every mod anyway before I install it 15:49 VanessaE do you also scrutinize every line of code every time you update? 15:49 IhrFussel I only update mods rarely...what do you expect with 175 mods? 15:49 VanessaE I expect "no". 15:50 VanessaE if you claim to read every line of code in a 175-mod collection, frankly, you're full of shit 15:50 IhrFussel I don't update mods via script, I visit the github of it and read through the changes before I manually download and replace 15:51 IhrFussel The server didn't start with 175 mods..it started with 30 which I did read through 15:51 VanessaE have you never heard of the "Underhanded C Contest" ? 15:51 tenplus1 ? 15:52 IhrFussel minetest.mkdir() only works on linux? 15:52 VanessaE tenplus1: it's a contest to write malicious programs that look as innocent and/or obfuscated as possible in source code. 15:52 IhrFussel AndroBuilder got Windows so that's likely where the problem lies 15:53 VanessaE IhrFussel: idk, but os.execute is OS-specific 15:53 tenplus1 ohhhh, heh... sneaky but interesting 15:53 tenplus1 I wonder how many of those innocent lines microsoft has included in windows :D 15:54 VanessaE tenplus1: I imagine there's a lot more than people think, what with all the telemetry Win10 sends back to MS. 15:54 tenplus1 yup, everything from keystrokes to screenshots get sent back 15:55 VanessaE keystrokes, I kinda doubt, but screenshots I'm sure. 15:55 twoelk should I wear a mask and gloves when usingt w10? 15:55 VanessaE twoelk: along with an air gap, in a soundproof room. 15:55 twoelk regarding the recent fingerscan problems 15:57 twoelk oh yeah, I'd need a gps signal proof place - although some wet leaves on trees above often are good enough for that job 15:58 VanessaE IhrFussel: in any case, turning off mod security is equivalent to taking off your seatbelt and defeating your airbags. Don't begrudge yourself a safe environment if it doesn't compromise or impede your use of it. 15:59 IhrFussel I can secure my machine without mod security...there are way worse things someone should worry about when managing a public server 16:00 VanessaE just because you think you can, doesn't mean it's logical to turn off the extra layer of protection if it isn't getting in the way. 16:00 * twoelk hopes VanessaE is more carefull than needed - and trusts anybody mt involved blindly 16:00 VanessaE :P 16:00 IhrFussel It does get in my way...I have multiple mods that require os.execute() and I don't want to touch the code in them cause they look extremely complicated 16:01 VanessaE .. 16:01 celeron55 generally when you're thinking of hacking someone, you end up not doing it because there are too many layers of security 16:01 tenplus1 name the mods, post the links, am sure it can be done a better way 16:01 celeron55 it's when you realize there's only one layer that you really start to look into it 16:01 VanessaE IhrFussel: like I said, if a mod is using os.execute, the coder's doing something wrong. 16:02 VanessaE celeron55: just to spite him, how about we disable os.execute entirely, mod security or not ;) 16:03 IhrFussel I am a coder myself guys not some random average joe who just downloaded MT and plays with the settings 16:03 celeron55 nah, i like the ability to just burn down everything and die in an explody fashion 16:03 twoelk I do wish though minetest would include one folder level outside of /minetest to it's "restricted" and safe playground - so that several minetest installs could share things in paralel 16:03 VanessaE celeron55: heh 16:03 tenplus1 they can share things in parallel by saving to the world folder 16:04 VanessaE ^^ (by request) 16:04 IhrFussel I modify *lots* of mods on a regular basis... I added genders to tenplus1's mobs redo, I added leveling up of animals, I made animals safe from any attack if tamed etc etc 16:04 AndroBuilder thanks 16:04 AndroBuilder http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/ is not online anymore ?! (skin Database) 16:05 tenplus1 fussel, the safe from attack when tamed was already a feature using the protector rune 16:05 twoelk rather like I point all my minetest installations to the same screenshot folder 16:05 VanessaE isn't that krock's site? 16:05 IhrFussel I didn't like that players need to use an item for that...killing an owned animal is griefing IMO 16:05 Mr_Pardison IhrFussel: I agree. 16:05 tenplus1 true, but it's up to owners to protect their pets :P 16:06 tenplus1 we cant baby everyone all the time 16:06 Mr_Pardison I don't leave any of my pets out. 16:06 Mr_Pardison ever. 16:06 Amaz VanessaE: It's addi's 16:06 tenplus1 hi amaz 16:06 Amaz Hi :) 16:06 VanessaE oh ok 16:07 twoelk oh, is King Arthur's Land still online? 16:07 VanessaE guess he didn't pay his bill. 16:07 AndroBuilder nevermind ... "Addi" allready told me it should be back online in 30min 16:07 Amaz :) 16:13 * tenplus1 trips on a wire in twoelk'd office 16:15 twoelk hm, just got some paper delivered ----- and I tripped on the stairs :-D one bundle open now 16:19 * twoelk just notices he can sort the online list of what needs to be done when by date just after he printed several pages and added colored marks to find out what is most urgent 16:26 tenplus1 :P 16:27 tenplus1 wb LJ 16:30 benrob0329 tenplus1: systemd-boot probably wont replace grub, grub is just too good 16:31 benrob0329 AFAIK anyways 16:31 tenplus1 grub is too versatilr 16:31 benrob0329 But a note, systemd-boot is just a rebraned gummyboot 16:31 tenplus1 yeah I read that... 16:31 benrob0329 *rebranded 16:32 * benrob0329 is unsure about whether to arch or whether to debian 16:32 * tenplus1 switches back to LILO :P 16:32 tenplus1 debian... 16:32 tenplus1 more support/builds 16:33 benrob0329 Probably, and they use reproducable builds 16:33 benrob0329 https://reproducible-builds.org 16:34 tenplus1 hi tumeninodes 16:34 tumeninodes hi tenplus1 16:35 tenplus1 got any distros in mind ben ? 16:36 * tumeninodes just got done trying out the Lumina desktop.... (results) thpltpltpltpltplt.... with maximum wetness 16:36 tenplus1 haha... didnt like that one :P 16:37 tenplus1 mate seems nice but I always go back to LXDE/XFCE 16:37 benrob0329 tenplus1: debain with i3 :D 16:37 Amaz benrob0329: Not void anymore? :( 16:37 Amaz :P 16:37 benrob0329 Amaz: nah 16:37 tumeninodes while I do like the lightweight DEs I am stuck on cinnimon...mon 16:38 tenplus1 i3 is similar to amazing minus lua? 16:38 tumeninodes https://lumina-desktop.org/ 16:38 tumeninodes !title 16:38 MinetestBot tumeninodes: Lumina Desktop Environment | Exploring and sharing Lumina 16:38 benrob0329 tenplus1: sort of 16:38 benrob0329 Awesome is DWM + Lua, i3 is a manual layout WM 16:39 benrob0329 Basically, Awesome and DWM arrange your windows for you based on linier order 16:39 * twoelk muses on building a steampunky machine that can switch os with a big lever you need two hands and a healthy breakfast for to move 16:39 tenplus1 hah 16:40 tumeninodes ^after a lot of set up and tweaking (Im talkin to you benrob haha) 16:40 benrob0329 i3 lets you arrange your windows in a sort of grid thing 16:40 benrob0329 And uses config rather than code 16:41 tumeninodes I actually miss Mezzo 16:41 benrob0329 Amaz: I'm off the systemd hate train now, not much use for a nearly unsupported district at that point 16:42 tumeninodes to be honest I miss the comfy sweet purpleness of Solaris and even the old Athene OS and DE 16:42 tenplus1 is it easy to remove systemd and replace with xinit 16:42 benrob0329 *distro 16:42 benrob0329 tenplus1: *facepalm* 16:42 tenplus1 lol 16:42 benrob0329 xinit provides the startx command 16:43 tenplus1 so long as it boots and is stable am not really bothered what they use.:P 16:43 tumeninodes twoelk: yes please 16:44 tumeninodes well then perhaps you would be interested in a nice G3 iMac with os9? :D 16:45 tenplus1 *shudder* 16:45 tumeninodes mmmmm, that yummy goodness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_9 16:46 Mr_Pardison the horror. 16:46 tumeninodes idk tenplus1, it still boots right up and stable as ever for me 16:46 tenplus1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS 16:46 tumeninodes wait I have even better 16:47 tumeninodes https://www.arcanoae.com/shop/arcaos-5-personal-edition/ 16:47 tumeninodes !title 16:47 MinetestBot tumeninodes: ArcaOS 5.0 – personal edition - Arca Noae 16:47 tumeninodes : / really MinetestBot? 16:47 IhrFussel Anyone in here knows if I can make "last" output the hostname not just IP? 16:48 tumeninodes ArcOS is basically OS2! 0_o 16:48 tenplus1 arcaos looks like fwm 16:48 tumeninodes *a 16:48 benrob0329 Oh I can top that :D 16:48 tumeninodes ummmmm? 16:48 tenplus1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system) 16:49 tumeninodes "I can beat that..." 16:49 tenplus1 lololol 16:50 tumeninodes I had seen someone was reviving SymphonyOS (which I loved) yet all the links are dead and there has been nothing since maybe 2014? 16:51 tenplus1 OS2 was pretty good for the time 16:51 tumeninodes yep 16:51 tenplus1 am surprised they went with windows over that 16:52 * twoelk still has some atari TOS simulaters and GEM-Viewmax toys to irritate people on startup screen 16:52 tumeninodes I also like the Athene DE and yes even coughed up some $ for their OS http://www.tucows.com/preview/159024/Athene-Desktop-Edition 16:52 tenplus1 hi CWz 16:53 tumeninodes *liked 16:53 tumeninodes ima step out and have a bit of a cigar... just because afk 16:53 tenplus1 enjoy 16:53 benrob0329 https://i.imgur.com/ipAL0wd.jpg 16:54 benrob0329 See, but I actually have mine :P 16:55 tenplus1 lol nice... I still have my commodore 16 plus4 in a box but no tv to use it on :))) 16:57 rubenwardy IhrFussel, that honestly kills me inside 16:57 rubenwardy don't be lazy 16:57 VanessaE tenplus1: you should be able to hook it to your PC's monitor, most support composite input 16:57 rubenwardy update your mods to use require_insecure_environment 16:57 rubenwardy do you have worldedit installed? 16:57 tenplus1 no composite VanessaE, would prolly be able to get an adaptor for it tho 16:57 benrob0329 VanessaE: old ones 16:57 rubenwardy that has Lua 16:57 VanessaE benrob0329: newer ones too 16:57 benrob0329 Mine doesn't even have HDMI, just Display Port lol 16:57 tenplus1 was my first programming system :) 16:58 rubenwardy having security disabled would have made the worldedit vuln a lot worse 16:58 VanessaE mine all have VGA, DVI-D, composite, and S-video in :) 16:58 VanessaE (Dell 2001FPs) 16:58 rubenwardy you would have had to wipe your system, as it you wouldn't have know if it were compromised 16:58 tenplus1 I have vga./dvi only 16:58 rubenwardy so basically: don't be lazy when it comes to security 16:59 benrob0329 Never be lazy when it comes to security 16:59 benrob0329 Jordach: *cough* 16:59 rubenwardy at this point we should probably remove the option to disable securit ;) 17:00 VanessaE +1 17:00 Mr_Pardison +2 17:00 rubenwardy benrob0329, doctor who/stranger things 17:00 VanessaE as long as doing do doesn't break the irc mod ;) 17:00 VanessaE doing so* 17:00 rubenwardy works fine with security 17:00 benrob0329 rubenwardy: the image, yes. Not the theme 17:00 VanessaE yup, now. 17:00 VanessaE grrrrrrr 17:01 rubenwardy need some MT cross overs 17:01 VanessaE yup, I know. 17:01 benrob0329 rubenwardy: in what way? 17:01 rubenwardy woah, paramat self-assigned space 17:01 benrob0329 Noice 17:03 Mr_Pardison kewel. 17:04 rubenwardy wow 17:04 rubenwardy I've had 3 maps sent to me so far 17:04 rubenwardy for CTF 17:08 benrob0329 rubenwardy: the rocket should be slow enough so that block loading can keep up with it 17:08 rubenwardy it varies per server 17:08 Mr_Pardison what's this about rockets? 17:08 rubenwardy also, depends on how high space is 17:08 benrob0329 Oh..umm..nothing :D 17:08 rubenwardy let's say 6000, with 10 seconds per block thats: 17:08 Mr_Pardison space. 17:08 rubenwardy !c 6000/16/10 17:08 MinetestBot 37.5 17:08 Mr_Pardison *facepalms* 17:09 rubenwardy that's not that long actually 17:09 tenplus1 would it be possible to put a client into a FAST loading mode to quickly load/generate map without having say abms/entities etc getting in the way ? 17:09 Mr_Pardison have to hop from here for now. 17:09 benrob0329 rubenwardy: preloading 17:09 rubenwardy also, what happens if there's obstacles in the way? Hmmm 17:09 benrob0329 The rocket explodes if it crashes 17:10 rubenwardy that sounds good 17:10 rubenwardy reuse TNT 17:10 rubenwardy respect protection 17:10 benrob0329 If we're only going up, you can preloaded the path before taking off 17:10 tenplus1 problem with rockets going into space is that in mc you have 128block limit to travel, in mt you can basically have 31000 blocks to go through so would need limits 17:11 benrob0329 Yes 17:11 rubenwardy yeah, depends where space is 17:11 rubenwardy and it shouldn't work past space 17:11 tenplus1 true 17:11 rubenwardy like, it should stop you 100 in 17:11 rubenwardy fuel limit 17:12 benrob0329 If we're going into space at 6k, then load a one block tower from rocket height to 6k 17:12 benrob0329 OR in smaller chunks 17:12 tenplus1 again we need map layering or at least preset layers for these type of mods to work properly 17:12 benrob0329 like, 100 blocks at a time 17:13 tumeninodes nah, just generate all at once... BAM!..... fizzle 17:14 benrob0329 If its just air it shouldn't be too bad 17:16 tumeninodes ugh, meetings next 4 hours or so... grownuping sucks... see ya all 17:23 benrob0329 Alrght, I should probably be productive hehe 17:23 benrob0329 o/ all 17:23 tenplus1 :) 17:23 tenplus1 cya 17:27 tenplus1 o/ 17:27 Mr_Pardison \o 17:31 Raven262 I almost hate removing these https://i.imgur.com/LXaRFmC.png 17:31 tenplus1 hi raven 17:31 Raven262 Hi ten 17:31 Raven262 Actually I hate that I have to remove them. 17:31 tenplus1 flaoting dungeon 17:31 Raven262 Yea, they're meant to be underground. 17:32 Mr_Pardison is that gravel? 17:32 rubenwardy buggg 17:32 Fixer rubenwardy: you opened very offensive PR!1 That means MTG needs not just rockets, but some machinery to make them or even automate and produce fuel as well (introducing oil-hydrogen-oxygen.io into MTG) 17:32 tenplus1 built in dungeons ? or voxelmanip version ? 17:32 rubenwardy hmmm 17:32 rubenwardy yeah, the tech level needs to be thought about 17:32 rubenwardy also, issue 17:32 rubenwardy not PR 17:33 Raven262 I also wonder how did the trees end up on my dungeons oO 17:34 Mr_Pardison no clue but for production quality images, turning off the HUD and chat are good. 17:35 Raven262 Yea I know 17:35 Fixer rubenwardy: with plot twist if paramat accepts it 17:35 Mr_Pardison speaking of which.... 17:35 tenplus1 have the recent HUD issues been fixed ? 17:35 Raven262 This one isn't exactly for showing around, its more like a development image 17:35 Mr_Pardison https://imgur.com/a/ovRCu 17:36 tenplus1 block of floating gravel ;P 17:36 Fixer Mr_Pardison: felt like on dialup right now 17:38 twoelk Raven262: have the Borg arrived? 17:38 tenplus1 lol, looks that way :D 17:38 Mr_Pardison Fixer: ? 17:38 tenplus1 can just imagine 20 noobs running around a borg ship stealing parts 17:38 Fixer very slow image load 17:39 Mr_Pardison oh. 17:40 Raven262 twoelk, Actually now that you mention it, it does look quite like their arrival is at hand. 17:40 Raven262 Oo 17:40 tenplus1 am surprised no-one has made a star trek mod yet 17:42 twoelk long time ago it used to rain gravel-blocks now and then on some servers - quite some mess 17:43 Raven262 I finally managed to get my dungeon generator to work underground. https://i.imgur.com/ABA3G6W.png 17:43 Raven262 One dungeon system per map chunk, should be enough. 17:48 twoelk looks like lots of underground plants involved? 17:48 tenplus1 underground jungles 17:56 Fixer ha, missed this https://github.com/minetest-mods/turtle 17:56 Raven262 Underground root system... but I am missing some more trees on the surface! 17:57 Raven262 Well, that has to be done in another mod I'm afraid. 18:02 tenplus1 wb 18:04 ThomasMonroe thx 18:16 tenplus1 hi Darcidride 18:38 Mr_Pardison wb all of you. 18:39 tenplus1 o// 18:52 tenplus1 hi Krock 18:52 Krock hi tenplus1 18:52 Mr_Pardison 'ello Krock 18:52 Krock hi Mr_Pardison 19:00 tenplus1 hi TMc 19:04 Megaf rubenwardy: Can you please try to login to your kimsufi? 19:04 Megaf It's not working for me 19:04 rubenwardy website? 19:04 rubenwardy dedi is fine 19:04 Megaf rubenwardy: the control panel, keeps saying my password is incorrect 19:04 Megaf Tho I had it saved in chrome, it can't be incorrect 19:05 tenplus1 hi Megaf 19:05 Megaf rubenwardy: lol, I got it, I have to use us.kimsufi to login... 19:05 Megaf If I change the language it won't work 19:05 Megaf go figure... 19:06 Megaf Hey tenplus1 19:06 Megaf Wanna giveme 5 USD? 19:06 tenplus1 only if you give mt 20 19:06 rubenwardy mt 20? 19:06 tenplus1 *me :P 19:06 rubenwardy 20 minecoin piece? 19:07 rubenwardy buying ingame money??/ 19:07 tenplus1 ehehe, the next cryptocurency 19:07 Megaf tenplus1: I can give you lots of Minegelds 19:07 tenplus1 mtbitcoin 19:07 rubenwardy except MT doesn't burn out GPUs 19:07 Megaf rubenwardy: do you have auto billing for your dedi? 19:07 rubenwardy only the souls of developers 19:07 rubenwardy Megaf, no 19:07 Megaf I can't find the option where I enable the thing 19:07 rubenwardy didn't know you could 19:07 Megaf Me neither, I don't think they have that 19:08 rubenwardy :'( 19:10 Megaf well, just opened a ticket asking that 19:10 Megaf also, can find anywhere in the control panel a place to actually pay the thing... 19:10 Krock except MT doesn't burn out GPUs 19:11 Krock instead, it burns out waek single core performance CPUs 19:15 tenplus1 I got a nice performance boost using ubuntu 18.04 alpha 1... new mesa/intel/nvidia drivers help FPS 19:20 Fixer Krock: one core burn out 19:25 tenplus1 o/ paramat 19:30 Shara Ten, that's been a "story" for... how many years now? :) 19:30 tenplus1 hey Shara... yeah it has... but it's all I'm seeing now in headlines 19:34 tenplus1 also glad to see fireflies get into default :D 19:35 Mr_Pardison fireflies part of default now? 19:35 tenplus1 hi ssieb 19:36 tenplus1 Mr_Pardison: in 0.5.0 dev at least :D 19:36 Mr_Pardison cool. 19:36 ssieb hi 19:39 Fixer tenplus1: it is just a hype 19:39 Shara Yes, still a little amazed they got in, but quite happy with it :) 19:39 tenplus1 :P 19:39 Fixer tenplus1: just a machine learning, not AI 19:39 Shara Spoiler: the fireflies are the AI that will doom us all! 19:39 tenplus1 ehehehe 19:40 Shara You might think they just sit there going upa nd down but... 19:40 * Shara goes back to digging that bot proof bunker 19:40 twoelk uh? will the fireflies take jobs away? 19:40 tenplus1 might need to use fireflies in a few recipes to keep numbers down 19:41 Shara twoelk: is your job sitting inside a bottle to provide light? 19:41 Mr_Pardison it might be. 19:41 * twoelk can dispose of them torch holders he had walking around on one of his maps 19:41 Shara We could have an issue then. 19:42 Mr_Pardison my job is to take care of those who violate the rules. 19:42 twoelk yeah, we'll always need those 19:42 twoelk the law enforcers 19:43 tenplus1 Firefly PD 19:43 twoelk or was it fun spoilers? 19:45 Megaf rubenwardy: they replied the ticket already, they indeed don't have auto billing =; 19:45 twoelk newspaper said today my region is in need of young florists; the interest in the job dropped dramatically among the young :-( 19:45 rubenwardy :'( 19:45 tenplus1 yeah, they all wanna be youtubers or game testers 19:45 Megaf they have auto billing only for OVH, not Kimsufi 19:46 Megaf That was fast, ticket answered in less than one hour, that's Linode fast 19:47 Jordach Megaf: scaleway does automated billing, just take note that there isn't much support to speak of if you aren't a business customer 19:47 Megaf # free -g 19:47 Megaf total used free shared buff/cache available 19:47 Megaf Mem: 2 1 0 0 1 1 19:47 Megaf Swap: 465 0 465 19:47 Megaf :D 19:47 Megaf Jordach: do they have ultra cheap dedicated like kimsufi? 19:48 Jordach yes, ARM cores or x86 Intel Atom 19:48 tenplus1 which do you think is better for those, intel or arm ? 19:48 Jordach ARM in the long run 19:48 Jordach low power, high efficiency 19:49 Megaf Jordach: site? 19:49 tenplus1 true... would love a proper arm desktop or net-top for my next pc 19:49 Mr_Pardison ARM it is for a lappy. 19:49 Jordach https://www.scaleway.com 19:49 Jordach all dedis are SSD based 19:50 Jordach £11.99 for a quad core, 8GB dedi 19:50 Jordach (still better than what i paid for at digital ocean) 19:51 Jordach minetest will run fine on the following: C2M and C2L 19:51 Jordach (my dev server runs C2M with server step at 0.02 19:55 tenplus1 Jordach: https://www.avantek.co.uk/store/avantek-32-core-cavium-thunderx-arm-desktop.html 20:02 Jordach tenplus1: 32 cores but no real commercial software that isn't android 20:02 tenplus1 or 48 cores running at 2.0ghz :) w00t... heh 20:02 tenplus1 coudlnt you compile a linux distro to use it all ? 20:02 tenplus1 imagine clean linux running on that thing... 20:06 Megaf Jordach: I think I will migrate my Linode to C1 20:06 Megaf is that an Raspberry 3? 20:07 tenplus1 pi3's are kewl 20:07 Jordach Megaf: don't think so 20:08 Jordach Megaf: there's also the starter x86 option 20:08 Jordach for the same price and spec 20:10 tenplus1 lol 20:11 Megaf Jordach: well, I rather have ARM cores :) 20:12 * Megaf tries to make a pun with arm, fails 20:12 Mr-Pardison Megaf: you must be pulling my arm with that. 20:13 Megaf hah 20:14 Megaf well, just let me play in my server while I think about ARM server 20:14 Megaf !server Megaf 20:14 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 0.4.17 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/20, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 10ms 20:14 Megaf if anyone wants to make me company... 20:14 Mr-Pardison why not. 20:14 Megaf its night and raining right now 20:14 Megaf light rain, quite relaxing 20:14 tenplus1 does your weather mod affect fps a lot ? 20:15 Megaf Not that I noticed 20:15 Megaf tho I'm playing with view distance of 20 20:15 tenplus1 20 nodes or mapblocks ? 20:15 Megaf I'm in a swamp, so view distance 20, night and light rain makes a very nick atmosfere 20:15 Megaf nodes 20:16 tenplus1 gotta try it out sometime 20:16 Mr-Pardison doing so now. 20:16 Mr-Pardison at least I will when the media loads. 20:17 Megaf keep your view distance low Mr-Pardison 20:17 Megaf otherwise my server will crash your computer 20:17 Mr-Pardison k 20:17 Jordach Megaf: laughs in 400 v_range 20:18 tenplus1 not letting me in Megaf 20:18 Megaf tenplus1: why not? 20:18 tenplus1 connection timed out... addy and port is correct tho 20:19 Megaf 2018-02-06 20:18:58: [Server] Megaf joins game. List of players: Megaf 20:19 Megaf I just joined 20:19 Mr-Pardison media 99% 20:19 tenplus1 getting media now... connecting 3rd attempt 20:20 tenplus1 omg, you using HD texture pack ? 20:20 Megaf tenplus1: nope, but I do have several 1000s of texture files 20:20 Megaf blame VanessaE and Jeija 20:20 tenplus1 o.O taking sooooooooo long to get media... try using optipng sometime 20:20 Megaf they are using huge texture files 20:21 Megaf tenplus1: I did, 20:21 Megaf I spent a couple of days crushing all PNGs already 20:21 tenplus1 1.48gb and climbing 20:21 Mr-Pardison nodes 95% 20:21 Mr-Pardison in! 20:22 tenplus1 mt crashed... ran out of ram 20:22 Megaf I said you need 2 GB of free RAM 20:22 tenplus1 I have 2gb, it ran out 20:22 tenplus1 all I had running was chat and minetest 20:23 tenplus1 connecting to Xanadu... 430mb 20:28 Megaf Xanadu is tiny 20:28 tenplus1 exactly :P 20:29 rubenwardy sounds like Megaf's is just large 20:29 Mr-Pardison it is. 20:29 Mr-Pardison i nterms of the mods. 20:29 Mr-Pardison *in terms 20:29 tenplus1 how many mods you running ? 20:30 Megaf 100s 20:31 tenplus1 whyyyyyyy ? 20:31 Mr-Pardison for the halibut? 20:31 Megaf let me pastebin the mods list 20:31 tenplus1 lol... 50 here inc. default 20:32 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/plain/1009109 20:32 Megaf will self destruct in 24 hours ^ 20:33 tenplus1 eek.... 20:37 tenplus1 wb 20:37 Amaz ty :) 20:38 Megaf by the way, I play this in a Core2Duo @ 1,6 GHz with 3 GB of RAM and integrate old intel GPU 20:39 Megaf at 22 FPS 20:40 * Megaf just tried using a bunny as fuel 20:40 Megaf didnt work 20:40 tenplus1 hah, aww... that's mean 20:40 Megaf will have to use coal instead 20:40 Mr-Pardison animal cruelty! 20:41 Megaf nah, bunny is fine 20:41 tenplus1 shoudl I make hides/leather burnable as fuel ? 20:42 Mr-Pardison no. 20:42 Megaf I think that anything that is flamable should be made into fuel 20:42 tenplus1 will change that on next update... 20:42 Megaf Mr-Pardison: Did you take any saplings from the ground? 20:44 Mr-Pardison from where you had dug them? 20:44 Mr-Pardison yes. 20:47 Megaf Ok, just to know Im not going crazy 20:50 nerzhul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c theu succeed 20:50 tenplus1 rabbit fur shoudl burn same time as stick I suppose, leather hide same as wood mebbe 20:51 Mr-Pardison nerzhul: u see the dash of the roadster? 21:00 tenplus1 mobs feather, net, lasso, nametag, leather, rabbit hide can be used as fuel now 21:06 tenplus1 hi aerozoic 21:08 aerozoic hi tenplus1 21:08 Megaf Ok, enough of playing for now 21:09 tenplus1 nite folks :) 21:10 Megaf Now, I do want an ARM dedicated server 21:10 rubenwardy *arm 21:10 Megaf tho it wont be compatible with the server I have on my Linode 21:10 Megaf so, I think I will have to migrate my minetest server from my current dedicated to a new arm server 21:10 Megaf then Linode to the current dedicated 21:11 Megaf that will take a while... 21:21 Megaf I just learned that I have a @megaf.info email, I had no idea this thing was working 21:23 Fixer fuckk 21:23 Fixer did I miss FH launch, pos fixer 21:24 sofar RD1 engines are now for sale for 20$ per 5 21:24 Megaf sofar: define RD1 engines 21:24 Megaf Fixer: really? Wasnt it tomorrow? 21:24 sofar I mean, rd180 21:24 rubenwardy it was 30 minutes ago 21:25 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVYWR2IUQAAutMB.jpg:large 21:25 sofar still no news on the center core, though 21:25 Megaf xerox123_: xerox123: are you on Slack? 21:26 Megaf rubenwardy, F**K!!!!!!!!! 21:26 Megaf Fixer: f**k us =/ 21:26 sofar just watch the replay, lol 21:27 Megaf BOOSTER LANDIND NOW LIVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSr1RBsB4s 21:27 Megaf THEY LANDED!!!!!!!!!!!! 21:27 Megaf wow 21:27 sofar well yes, the side boosters did live 21:27 Megaf both side boosters landing together 21:27 sofar the center core booster is yet unknown 21:28 Megaf now waiting for the centre booster 21:28 xerox123 Megaf: nope 21:28 sofar 33 minutes and no news on the center core yet 21:28 Megaf hum 21:29 Megaf well, the car flying into space is quite epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c 21:31 Megaf !title 21:31 MinetestBot Megaf: Falcon Heavy Test Flight - YouTube 21:32 Megaf " 21:32 Megaf Welcome to Scaleway! 21:32 Megaf " 21:32 Megaf Jordach: ^ 21:32 Megaf :) 21:33 rubenwardy jesus christ, elon musk is a terrible public speaker 21:34 Fixer yet he is compared with jobs 21:34 Megaf rubenwardy: indeed 21:34 rubenwardy got the impression he'd be good 21:34 Megaf launch https://youtu.be/wbSwFU6tY1c?t=1778 21:34 Megaf oh boy, was that beautiful 21:35 Megaf I'm happy it didn't explode 21:35 Megaf :P 21:35 Megaf :D 21:35 Megaf I'm somewhat proud of that thinking flying 21:35 celeron55 musk is awesome 21:36 Megaf man, that was a huge party 21:36 celeron55 who cares about public speaking 21:36 rubenwardy never said I did 21:37 Megaf When I saw the animation and saw the tesla roadster inside I thought it was a joke 21:37 Megaf man, they actually DID LAUNCH A CAR IN SPACE! 21:38 Megaf the centre stage will go to mars... 21:40 nerzhul Megaf are you a scaleway user ? 21:40 Fixer Musk writes space history and will be along the bestest in the books, he already did major achivements 21:41 Fixer reusable boosters - that was thing for decades, now it is reality 21:42 Fixer loool 21:42 Fixer that car moment 21:42 Fixer felt so South Park like 21:44 Fixer boosters touchdown very impressive 21:45 Fixer core stage probably missed landing boat, but still, that is amazingly good, space these decades was on big declines, now it is great again 21:46 celeron55 that launch only cost like less than $100M 8) 21:47 Fixer and it is dirt cheap, but needs recalc due to loss of 1 central stage (1/3) 21:48 Megaf maybe core stage is fine floating somewhere 21:48 Fixer it is floating, just missed a boat a bit 21:48 Fixer still amazing, you can't just land it easily, needs very accurate landing etc 21:49 sofar who says it's floating? 21:50 Megaf I did 21:50 Fixer sofar: they usually float, it is pretty buoyant 21:50 Megaf Fixer: they are usually detonated actually 21:50 Fixer stage itself is light as f--- 21:50 sofar still no update from @spacex, so, my bet is it cratered the drone ship and they're not announcing yet until they reach it 21:51 sofar F9 launch 5? days ago unexpectedly survived soft splash, so we know they float well 21:51 Fixer not really cratered, stage itself structurally is very weak 21:51 sofar it'll still be unusable 21:51 Fixer yeah 21:51 Fixer ocean landing is more challenging, but possible 21:52 sofar haha they have a live feed from the stage 2 up 21:53 Fixer where? 21:53 Fixer it is landed? 21:53 Fixer or in water? 21:53 sofar https://twitter.com/@spacex 21:53 Fixer weight is 7,7 tons 21:53 Fixer half of it is engines 21:53 sofar stage 2 == upper stage == the car 21:53 Fixer oh sorry 21:53 Fixer was thinking about central core 21:53 Fixer it is still stage 1 ofc 21:53 Fixer this one is stage2 21:56 Fixer looks like stage missed that ship just a little bit, since there was a smoke, but ship is intact, probably due to waves or wind or whatever 21:56 Fixer still very close 22:00 Jordach nerzhul: i've got a scaleway server 22:01 sofar ah, yes, the feed did indicate something was "close" just before it cut out 22:04 Megaf starman LIVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBr2kKAHN6M 22:04 Megaf !title 22:04 MinetestBot Megaf: Live Views of Starman - YouTube 22:05 Megaf I thought the car would go to mars instead of turning into more space rubbis in Earths orbit 22:06 Megaf sfan5: where is MinetestBot located? 22:06 nerzhul jordach i got one too for building on gitlab.com for private projects 22:06 sfan5 certainly not in space, Megaf 22:06 Jordach nerzhul: they're really great at MT servers 22:07 Jordach those Atoms pack a punch 22:07 nerzhul it's just an atom it's too slow for me, but for a go build it's sufficient 22:07 Jordach nerzhul: it handles serversteo 0.02 well 22:08 celeron55 Megaf: it'll go in a solar orbit after some hours 22:08 Megaf celeron55: then Mars? 22:09 celeron55 well i suppose it'll go past mars 22:09 Megaf I wonder if they have a radioactive generator in the car or soemthing 22:09 celeron55 and, well, you know, generally be in orbit 22:09 Megaf sfan5: netherlands? france? 22:10 sfan5 amsterdam, nl 22:11 Megaf kool 22:11 Megaf thanks 22:13 Megaf they dont have teh baremetal arm plan I want for amsterdam, just paris =/ 22:14 Amaz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&p=311245#p311245 :D 22:15 Amaz Opps, wrong channel :P 22:18 Megaf meh, system trashing IP 22:18 Megaf IO* 22:25 Megaf YAY, I have my dedicated ARM server now 22:26 Megaf first step, apt full-upgrade :) 22:27 Calinou inb4 lag spikes 22:29 * Megaf in love with Scaleways dashboard 22:31 IhrFussel Megaf, "dedicated cores" sounds like what I got... a v server with dedicated resources 22:32 IhrFussel But will definitely work better than a regular v server where you share all cores with other customers 22:34 IhrFussel v server = VPS 22:36 tumeninodes how perfect was that?! 22:37 Megaf Why fussel keeps quiting after talking to me? 22:38 tumeninodes he hates you? :P 22:44 tumeninodes And he shall be Elon, and he shall be a good man. 23:44 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KORTP545vAc press conf now 23:45 paramat thanks 23:47 Fixer np 23:47 Fixer it lags as hell though