Time Nick Message 01:03 Megaf #6965 01:03 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6965 -- [WIP] Basic pause menu settings by ThomasMonroe314 11:29 IhrFussel Guys I have a player on my server that seems like flying in 1 specific direction every 2 sec...it's like it's moving into 1 direction every 2 secs or so 11:29 sfan5 high latency 11:33 IhrFussel Doesn't look like latency to me o.o ... even when dead the player continues to move 11:36 sfan5 anticheat prevents dead players from moving 11:36 sfan5 well no, dead players can't move regardless of anticheat settings 11:37 IhrFussel You're right...the player respawned but the skin state didn't change yet 11:37 IhrFussel But that still doesn't look like latency to me 11:42 IhrFussel sfan5, latency can make it look like a player using fly and noclip for 3+ minutes? 11:42 sfan5 nah 11:43 IhrFussel Then it must be a bot? 11:43 IhrFussel It only moves every 1.5 - 2 secs in the exact same direction 11:44 sfan5 no idea 11:49 IhrFussel In case it was a new kind of bot...could it be linked to Shara's problem? 11:51 IhrFussel I see LOTS of "2018-01-22 02:44:56: ACTION[Server]: Player sallee moved too fast; resetting position" in the log... 11:52 IhrFussel That was very very weird...never saw something like that before 13:10 Megaf [11:42:16] sfan5, latency can make it look like a player using fly and noclip for 3+ minutes? 13:10 Megaf yep 13:10 Megaf not latency alone 13:10 Megaf combine a slow device with problematic internet 13:10 Megaf then yes 13:11 Megaf [11:51:31] I see LOTS of "2018-01-22 02:44:56: ACTION[Server]: Player sallee moved too fast; resetting position" in the log... 13:11 Megaf That's why we disable anticheat 13:11 Megaf it causes more harm than good 13:11 sfan5 lol sure 13:13 red-001 rubberbanding doesn't tend to be bad in minetest compare to some other games 13:15 IhrFussel Megaf, did you watch the video I linked earlier? That looked a lot like programmatically movement 13:17 Megaf IhrFussel: I could totally explain that with my already exlained explanation 13:17 Megaf [13:10:45] combine a slow device with problematic internet 13:17 Megaf I've seen it many times in 6 years 13:18 Megaf specially when Minetest uses all my 4 GB of RAM an my computer just hangs trashing IO, that's how people see me 13:18 IhrFussel But right after I killed the player he respawned and continued with that movement...I tried that 3 times 13:18 Megaf IhrFussel: that confirmes is just a hang computer with bad internet 13:18 Megaf relax man 13:19 Megaf Minetest is bad and ineficient by design 13:19 IhrFussel AFAIK the PC/device cannot respawn by itself 13:19 Megaf and with UDP we can't check the network, we just get pieces of things 13:19 IhrFussel It requires user interaction to respawn 13:19 Megaf yep, maybe he did manage to click respawn 13:19 Megaf or maybe is a shitty android fork 13:20 Megaf that does that automatically 13:41 Megaf Foks, did we ever tested TCP instead of UDP? 13:42 Megaf Wrong channgel, but stil 14:00 IhrFussel I managed to implement an "atk up" potion on my server which increases the damage of players for 60 secs ... now it will feel a bit more RPG-like 14:26 Megaf rubenwardy: KS-6 is VERY VERY tempting 14:26 Megaf KS-6 Intel Xeon 2xE5530 8c/16t 2.4GHz 24GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz 2TB 100 Mbps /128 $37.99 14:29 ThomasMonroe O_O 14:29 Megaf that would be faster than any Linode offer CPU wise 14:42 Jordach ^^ 14:42 Jordach i want shit with good bitrate in FLAC 14:43 Megaf same 14:45 Megaf Not a great audio capture tho 14:46 Megaf Now, if you search for hans zimmer vinyl you will find some good stuff 15:46 Fixer just don't play FLAC on $10 USD headphones 16:14 benrob0329 Looking foreward to catching and releasing fireflies :D 16:15 Megaf Fixer: I already had some pretty good 10 USD headphones man 16:15 Megaf amazing sound quality, not so great build quality... 16:15 Mr_Pardison I presume u mean the ones that look like mini travelnet boxes and not irl ones as it isn't quite time for them yet. 16:16 benrob0329 Make a huge cave with fireflies giving it a nice atmospheric glow 16:17 benrob0329 Mr_Pardison: the ones probably going to make it into MTG 0.5 16:17 benrob0329 Shara's mod 16:17 Mr_Pardison Would be happy to see those. 16:17 benrob0329 Could be nice for videos 16:17 Mr_Pardison I'd keep them in glass jars and use them for lights if possible. 16:18 benrob0329 Pretty soon I'll have custom lighting setups for shots when doing videos lol 16:18 benrob0329 The world's first MT filming production 16:32 ThomasMonroe yay? 16:34 Megaf I once had a mod that gave a torch that you held in your hand and it lit the way as you moved 16:35 Megaf For me that was like magic and I could never find that mod again 16:35 Calinou it was server-side, so it caused tons of lag 16:35 ThomasMonroe yeah sooo much lag 16:36 ThomasMonroe hey Megaf, I think I'm gonna add the enable_build_where_you_stand option to the pause menu 16:53 benrob0329 ThomasMonroe: noclip does that 16:53 benrob0329 Or is that build where your head it 16:53 ThomasMonroe try building under your feet with and without that setting :P 16:54 benrob0329 If its only your head then the setting could just be combined with niclip for simplicity 17:15 Sokomine was realtest moved in the forum to old mods or so? 17:16 Sokomine megaf: wieldlight or something like that 17:16 Megaf light calculations should be done on the server of course, 17:17 Megaf but the actual rendering should be client side 17:17 red-001 ThomasMonroe, what for_ 17:18 red-001 seems if someone wants to use it they will just set it and keep it that way 17:20 ThomasMonroe its useful for building sometimes, but it gets annoying when you are trying to do other things 17:20 Calinou Megaf: frequent light calculations are too much for the server, I guess the server should only send the position of the invisible light node and let the client do the rest 17:20 Calinou or, you know, use hardware dynamic lights for this 17:20 Calinou (which won't affect plant growth and mob spawning, but it probably doesn't matter) 17:20 Calinou this is what OptiFine does 17:20 Megaf Calinou: problem is, how would a sapling know when to grow? 17:23 red-001 Megaf, use static lighting? 17:24 red-001 I say it's fine if saplings aren't effected by sun movement or a torch the player is holding 17:25 Calinou Megaf: as I said, the server wouldn't know about it 17:25 Calinou but I don't think it matters 17:47 IhrFussel Why is it that most servers run by kids (no offense) are a total clusterfrick? 17:49 IhrFussel Like arguing about who will be admin, who will be hoster ... talking about "xyz is a hacker maybe" just because they guessed the password right...those forum topics are totally dumb 17:49 Mr-Pardison because they don't know what they are doing. 17:50 IhrFussel They trust their "friends" who they likely never met too much 17:51 IhrFussel Not saying you should only trust persons you know in RL but mature people just know when it#s enough to trust somebody 17:56 red-001 > implying thier irl friends wouldn't also mess up the server 17:58 Fixer IhrFussel: because kids are not 1.0 enough to get things done, heck, even lots of adults are not 1.0, look at politicians for example 18:11 Calinou kid 0.1.0 beta-rc1 18:40 Sokomine ThomasMonroe: i asked for he enable_build_where_you_stand option to be added to the game back when it was changed so that you couldn't build there anymore. in tight corners, where orientation of a node is relevant, it is often impossible to build without 18:43 Sokomine Calinou: are there upgrades for kids? :) 18:43 Calinou yes, but they make your kid even less stable 18:43 Calinou so you usually rollback to the stable version of the kid :( 18:43 Sokomine :-) 18:43 Sokomine guess they automaticly self-upgrade :) 18:44 Sokomine maybe upgrades for politicians might be a good idea 18:45 Mr-Pardison oh most of them are seagull managers anyway. 18:45 Sokomine er...if any texture creater is reading this: i'm looking for a texture for a machine that "coats" nodes (mostly applys color). i have an idea for that but even a pretty simple texture is difficult for me. maybe low-ress, simple and slightly animated 18:48 ThomasMonroe ah ok Sokomine 19:00 benrob0329 Sokomine: colormachine 2.0? 19:14 Sokomine benrob0329: something more restricted. simple_houses is spawning colored houses (those blocks are so cheap to do!) 19:15 Sokomine i think it'd be unfair not to give players a way to obtain more nodes of the same color 19:15 Sokomine thus: machine that takes cobble, processes it, and creates out of 10 cobble 1 stony node that's "coated" in the right color and texture 19:16 Sokomine problem is: people have to be able to identify the machine somehow. can't take the chests or furniture texture for all nodes i create 19:37 Raven262 Sokomine, what is this machine made of? and do you accept nodeboxes? 19:41 red-001 hi nerzhul 19:42 nerzhul hi red-001 19:42 * red-001 once again fails to be faster then tenplus1 19:45 Megaf He is not ever here 19:48 IhrFussel Megaf, the player is back and still has the exact same problem 19:50 Megaf lol 19:50 Megaf does he speaks? 19:52 IhrFussel No, still only floats in one direction 19:53 Sokomine Raven262: i usually love nodeboxes. in this special case i think it might be more helpful to have a full node. can't think of any good way a machine might look like 19:55 Raven262 Well, I'm currently making a nodebox machine. 19:55 Raven262 Currently doing textures, I'll send you a screenshot when I finish it. 19:56 Raven262 Even if you decide that it doesn't look like what you need, I can always use it for some project of mine :D 20:07 Jordach Krock: it's the whole reason why i prefer 4chan 20:08 Jordach someone spoke out against the circlejerk? bans and mass downvotes 20:08 Jordach meanwhile on 4chan, you get called a fag 20:12 red-001 2048chan all the way 20:12 rubenwardy 4chan sucks 20:12 Jordach rubenwardy: still better than reddit 20:12 red-001 or maybe 4096chan 20:12 rubenwardy 4chan is basically entirely r/incels 20:12 Jordach lmao 20:12 Jordach that's what the defaults have fed you 20:12 Jordach OMEGALUL 20:13 Jordach incels was teen angst that could never get a gf ever 20:13 Jordach it's literally reddit meet early 2000s livejournal 20:13 red-001 > implying 4chan isn't 20:14 Jordach 4chan is just un moderated shitposts 20:14 rubenwardy incels was sad rapey men 20:14 Jordach i shitpost on /o/ with my twingo 20:15 sfan5 rubenwardy has only visited /pol/ apparently 20:16 Jordach the internet was never for normies :^) 20:17 red-001 ohh no-one has registered 2048chan.org 20:19 Jordach *insert jojo OH NO* 20:20 red-001 and so is 512chan.org 20:20 red-001 or 256 20:32 Sokomine Raven262: nice machines are always welcomed :-) 20:44 Raven262 Sokomine, https://i.imgur.com/5Pwppyr.png 20:45 Krock that's a "thing" 20:45 Raven262 Fixing some texture errors now. 20:53 Raven262 Fixed the textures https://i.imgur.com/UMzFy2r.png 20:55 rubenwardy nice 21:04 Sokomine does indeed look very nice :-) 21:04 * Sokomine grabs Raven262s machine and runs away with it quickly 21:05 Sokomine can you perhaps add more colors to the texture? or is it possible to apply colorization to models as well? 21:05 Raven262 https://github.com/theraven262/modding-stuff/tree/master/machine_1 21:05 Raven262 there 21:05 Sokomine thank you :-) 21:06 Raven262 np 21:16 Sokomine hmm. if i put it into a lone mod (the machine might be nice regardless of any houses) - how would english-speaking people call it? maybe plaster... 21:20 Sokomine plasterwork seems to fit 21:20 benrob0329 Sokomine: for what? 21:20 benrob0329 Your coloring machine? 21:21 Sokomine for what the machine is supposed to do :-) real plaster would probably be applied by hand or sprayed...we'll get the machine for that 21:21 benrob0329 Plaster, or paint? 21:21 Sokomine no, not my color machine. the new machine you did. it will not be as versatile as the color machine. it'll be one for nodes with up to 256 colors 21:21 benrob0329 Plaster isn't sprayed.. 21:22 Sokomine not really, no. but if all you've got is some stones and cobble there's got to be some flexibility. crafting just won't do :-) the machine will transform the node into one with plaster ready-made applied. no fussy placing blocks first, then applying plaster 21:23 benrob0329 Like, drywall mud? 21:24 Sokomine kind of 21:24 Megaf 20:53:09 Fixed the textures https://i.imgur.com/UMzFy2r.png 21:24 Megaf What is that? 21:24 Megaf It looks like a mouse trap 21:25 Sokomine the idea is to fill the machine with cobble, let it extract some nice minerals, and then let it create a coat (plaster-like) on one of the remaining cobble blocks 21:25 benrob0329 Sokomine: what I'm gathering is that your making a machine that skim-coats blocks 21:25 benrob0329 So, you'd end up with a grey block? 21:26 Sokomine (all this is just an excuse in the end to turn a material that is actually available to the player in sufficient quantities into something that can be used to extend and repair some spawned buildings) 21:27 Sokomine benrob0329: in a way. disassemble enough cobble blocks (=cheap material that needs to be removed from the world anyway), scratch a bit off of the target block, apply the newly created coat to the target block 21:29 Sokomine most of that really is just a way to make useful building materials available. clay and coral are great textures and work fine with colors applied; but there isn't enough of that material in the world to actually do something significant with it 21:30 Sokomine and to justify technicly in a hopefully sufficiently convincing way how it was done 21:32 benrob0329 Space magic 21:32 Sokomine can't spawn houses and then let the players be without materials to turn automatic structures into something individual and nice-looking 21:32 Sokomine yes. bet on some mese beeing required to craft the thing 21:33 benrob0329 Someone should make a star wars parity in MT 21:33 benrob0329 Where the standard good guy color is yellow 21:38 Jordach feelsbadman 21:38 Jordach you'd expect override_item to work on the fcly 21:38 Jordach fly* 21:51 Fixer that lmr page is annoying, while I had almost 1000px of height, it managed to only 5 lines of useful information 21:53 Fixer btw, reading deepfakes, it is interesting 21:53 Fixer so it is possible to pretty much fake everything 21:54 Fixer https://gfycat.com/IllinformedBriefBluemorphobutterfly 21:54 Fixer not really very close but still funny 21:55 Shara Note regarding what IhrFussel brought up earlier... the odd player he reported... 21:55 Shara Found same player in my logs, same IP address... at the time I had problems 21:55 Shara from player file: position = (30039,-274,-40276) 21:55 red-001 huh 21:55 Shara Player didn't even have interact. 21:56 Shara Now you tell me there's no exploit here 21:56 Shara Also: IP address is a VPS 21:56 Fixer known exploit *cough* 21:56 red-001 Fixer, ? 21:56 Shara Fixer: Care to explain? 21:56 Shara A two+ years old server that was very popular has been trashed by this 21:56 Fixer there is no known exploits, but there are possible unknown ones / Captain Obvious to the rescue 21:57 IhrFussel The player somehow was able to use fly, noclip and auto respawn ... the movement was definitely not by a human (1 step at a time at a fixed interval) 21:57 red-001 fly + noclip is easy 21:57 Shara Fixer: Glad you find years of my work getting ruined amusing, but if you can't be constructive on this, please don't say anything 21:57 red-001 Shara, do you have anticheat enabled? 21:58 Shara No. Too many problems with it, and it does nothing to stop fly/noclip anyway 21:58 IhrFussel red-001, I have it enabled and it didn't help...just flooded the log with "moved too fast" messages 21:58 Fixer Shara: post this info in anticheat issue on github 21:58 red-001 well there you got the issue 21:58 Shara red-001: Sorry, not buying that. 21:58 red-001 no anticheat == no movement checking 21:58 red-001 you can just move infinatly fast 21:58 Shara I have my own checks running to prevent players out of certain boundaries 21:58 Fixer i pretty much expect minetest to have unknown exploited vulnerabilities 21:59 Shara It's CREATIVE, fast is default 21:59 Fixer anticheat must be enabled 21:59 Fixer even if fast 21:59 red-001 afaik minetest does no speed tests if anticheat is off 21:59 Shara Then anticheat needs to be fixed 21:59 red-001 so they can move at 3 million blocks a second if they want to 21:59 IhrFussel Well it might've helped on my server but the player "sallee" is very suspicious since he used the same IP on Shara's and my server and the IP is a VPS 22:00 red-001 Shara, whats the issue with the player anyways? 22:00 red-001 apart from them liking places that are out of map bounds 22:00 Shara SImply that they seem very likely to have been the one to cause the damage 22:00 red-001 IhrFussel, ty 22:01 red-001 Shara, what damage? 22:01 IhrFussel Like I said that movement is not humanlike...do you agree? 22:01 Shara You think mapgrpwth of +50% previous size in no time at all is normal? 22:01 Shara map expanded until server ran out of space 22:02 red-001 Shara, I guess trying to reason with them didn't help did it? 22:02 Fixer jeez, what was the map size? 22:02 Jordach why'd you think i run 0.5-dev 22:02 Shara They never spoke 22:02 Shara I don't know who it is 22:02 red-001 and they just get new ips after you ban them? 22:02 Fixer maybe a bot that maps/worldsaves the server or just intentionally filling disk space 22:02 Shara Uhmm.. I've not mentioned banning them 22:02 red-001 that would seem like a logical step 22:03 Shara I didn't know who was to blame until Fussel provided something to check and compare against 22:03 IhrFussel We didn't ban him since we didn't even know until today that he acts that weirdly 22:03 Jordach jordach@Carbon:~/minetest-master/bin$ du -sh \n 145M 22:03 red-001 bot is damging your servers operation so it seems reasonable to ban them with a message to the operator 22:03 Shara And since it killed my map, I don't currently have a server to ban them from 22:03 sfan5 Shara: I assume the problems you had with anticheat are the usual "player moved too fast; resetting" complaints, correct? 22:03 Shara Plus, you know, VPS... it isn't their actual IP address 22:03 Jordach inb4 minetest goes centralised 22:03 Shara sfan5: Yes, especially when player is attached to anything 22:03 Jordach with ban auth through SRP 22:04 Fixer Jordach: what's inb4? 22:04 red-001 IhrFussel, for that player I assume? 22:04 red-001 Fixer, in before ban 22:04 sfan5 Shara: is there an issue open for that? 22:04 Shara I already have a plan to prevent this happening again, when/if I can fix the map 22:04 red-001 4chan meme or something 22:04 Shara sfan5: I believe one was opened not so long ago 22:04 IhrFussel By the way the speed in the video I linked is SLOW compared to later...I watched him a bit more and at some point the player suddenly sped up to almost walking speed (~3 nodes per sec) 22:04 Fixer can you tell that players name? 22:05 red-001 honestly apart from anticheat being a mess there is nothing wrong here 22:05 red-001 maybe we can add levels to anticheat or something 22:05 Shara Fixer: Fussel already did 22:05 Shara It needs levels. Or something. 22:05 IhrFussel Fixer, sallee 22:05 Shara I want to use it, but everytime I turned it on I had problems. 22:05 red-001 detect the biggest cheaters and ignore smaller issues 22:05 Fixer never heard about it 22:06 red-001 IhrFussel, Shara no idea what version string thier client is claiming to be? 22:06 Shara sfan5: #6852 22:06 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6852 -- More granular anticheat 22:06 IhrFussel And I want to add that the player first joined my server Jan 21 ... he joined well over 10 times in the recent days and *all* he did was sending /spawn ... no other commands/messages in the chat 22:06 IhrFussel Very very suspicious 22:06 Shara red-001: os there anything that would catch that by routine? 22:06 Shara Is* 22:07 red-001 iirc minetest includes some build info in that 22:07 sfan5 Shara: i was hoping more that there's an issue open for the issues when players are attached 22:07 red-001 could be remebering wrong 22:07 Sokomine red-001: sounds like it's a bot. not much point trying to talk to one i'm afraid 22:07 IhrFussel I log the protocol version from joins one sec 22:07 IhrFussel 32 22:08 red-001 Sokomine, operator might log kick messages, it's a stretch but why not try 22:08 Shara Red.. "that" being what? 22:08 Fixer IhrFussel: well, it is open source, you can be creative and write a bot to annoy server owners, or imitate a player etc 22:09 Shara sfan5: I'd open one, but don't really hav ea good way to test performance in current dev in case of any change 22:09 red-001 oh nvm we still not let mods get vers_string 22:09 Sokomine anticheat isn't good. it harms human players. it is very irritating if your position gets constantly reset because server and client have minimally diffrent opinions about where you ought to be. that causes sickness in the player 22:10 IhrFussel Slowly but surely I really get the feeling that we certainly have some malicious bots on our servers on a reular basis ... some things certain players type look like program code and sometimes I have FIVE players who join at once 22:10 sfan5 that's mostly because the speed cheating code seems to be very strict 22:10 red-001 because those someone might use it to stop those poor poor android users 22:10 Shara But on my survival server it's especially noticeable. Any attempt to ride a flying creature and you get constant little pauses and jerks in motion 22:11 red-001 Shara, nvm looks like saving mod authors from every possible mistake they could make means that you can't get the version string 22:12 Shara red-001: somehow not surprised 22:12 IhrFussel red-001, The protocol version by sallee is 32 so 0.4.16 22:12 Sokomine maybe checks ought to happen less frequently and position violations only getting logged if it's too far off. the current way isn't really usable 22:12 red-001 without recompiling but thats just a waste of time 22:12 Shara On one level, as long as I can fix this, I don't care that it happened, since the server will actually end up much more mangeable and secure (if the changes I'm working on actually work) 22:13 Shara But there are plenty of servers that probably couldn't recover from this 22:13 Shara Or the owners/team might simply not have the time to spare on it 22:13 red-001 IhrFussel, I was looking for the version string which is what is suffixed to the name (version number + git hash) 22:13 Fixer IhrFussel: https://i.imgur.com/vfgm065.png 22:14 Shara So instead of trying to push the blame on me, I'd just ask that, if anticheat would really solve it, maybe anticheat can be relaxed to the point where it's usable. 22:14 Shara So maybe there's less chance of some other big map getting messed up this badly 22:14 Fixer anticheat should be enabled 22:14 red-001 IhrFussel, do they auto rejoin if you kick them? 22:15 Fixer and if smth is wrong with it - fix it (somehow) 22:15 IhrFussel Fixer, that exact same user was on my server...not sure if they also typed such weird texts though 22:15 Shara Fixer: stop pushing it onto server owners. 22:15 IhrFussel Nope, I kicked him the first time this afternoon with reason "Are you a bot?" and he joined a few hours later again doing the EXACT same thing 22:15 Shara I'm all for anticheat being fixed, but you can't expect the server owners to do that 22:15 red-001 that somehow doesn't look like true random text but keyboard mashing 22:15 Fixer IhrFussel: notice "vCard x Hurd ::))" part, this feels like those neural network talking bots 22:15 Fixer red-001: read ending 22:16 red-001 it's like a bot learning human langauge from 4chan or youtube comments 22:16 Fixer yeah 22:16 sfan5 must be a shitty bot if that's all it learned 22:17 Fixer yeah 22:17 IhrFussel Can we be 100% sure that such behavior cannot be caused by malicious CSMs? 22:17 Fixer i had fun with those bots, they were hillariously good 22:17 red-001 can't say if it's beautiful or terrifying 22:17 red-001 IhrFussel, yes 22:17 red-001 I mean chatbots no, but map logs/explorers/something yes 22:18 IhrFussel Well...since sallee uses a VPS to connect to servers they must have at least *some* tech knowledge 22:18 Shara This isn't CSM 22:18 red-001 is it a vps or a vpn? 22:19 sfan5 regardless of that your assumption is incorrect 22:19 Jordach Shara: alternative, log user positions 22:19 Jordach once per 30 seconds 22:19 Jordach you can then compare it 22:19 Fixer just finish this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6219 "WIP: Server side movement #6219" 22:19 IhrFussel Would be fairly easy with vector.distance() 22:19 Shara red-001: seems to be VPS... Same hoster I use 22:19 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6219 -- WIP: Server side movement by bendeutsch 22:20 Jordach get the differences of all co-ords, and then see if the second positon is exact between the first pos and third pos 22:20 Shara Jordach: I plan other things to prevent this in the future 22:21 red-001 send them random map data 22:21 Jordach Shara: this can be done automatically 22:21 Shara I'm just going to disable creation of any new mapblocks 22:22 sfan5 Shara: attached players are not actually checked for movement cheats 22:22 Fixer Shara: you can limit mapgen, if you are saving space 22:22 Shara Any place that ever should be generated almost certainly is by now 22:22 sfan5 so disable_anticheat = true fixing that issue is not possible 22:22 Shara Hmm 22:22 IhrFussel Guys the pos in the player file needs to be divided by 16 to get the actual last known coordinates correct? 22:22 sfan5 by 10, not 16 22:22 Shara sfan5: yet I've tested multiple times. Issue is there with anticheat on, gone with anticheat off 22:22 sfan5 Shara: and it says exactly "... moved too fast; resetting position" ? 22:23 Shara Doesn't say anything. 22:23 sfan5 then it not this part of anticheat 22:23 sfan5 generally anticheat says when something is wrong 22:23 Shara Could it simply be the extra underlying checks themselves doing too much then? 22:23 sfan5 possible 22:24 sfan5 though these checks don't run when the player is attached... 22:24 sfan5 hm 22:24 Shara I'm sure I duplicated on singleplayer too though... which makes "server is not powerful enough" unlikely. 22:24 Shara But I'd need to verify that again to be sure 22:24 Shara Even if it's not directly the fault of anticheat, it does seem to correlate perfectly with it 22:25 Jordach my jetpack has 0 issues when flying at beyond 2 mapblock/sec 22:25 Jordach provided it doesn't collide with ignore 22:26 IhrFussel sfan5, ok thanks... the last know pos of sallee is pretty far away from the spawn...so his movement must've increased by quite a lot when I was busy 22:27 Shara Your jetpack is unnaturally responsive. No mobs I know of give that performance 22:27 Jordach Shara: my server runs with server_step 0.02 22:27 Jordach it's a fucking 60hz server 22:28 Jordach with no additional load 22:28 Jordach by default, MT is afaik 10hz 22:28 Shara Hmm, could explain it 22:28 Jordach yes, i have to do more acceleration controls 22:29 IhrFussel Default server_step is 0.09 22:30 Jordach IhrFussel: basically 10hz assuming 1000ms steps 22:30 Jordach or 100ms * 22:30 IhrFussel But on a server with many mods that server_step will likely not keep up 22:30 Jordach IhrFussel: i use 0.02 since the Atom in this dedi can handle it 22:30 Shara But a subgame well and it does not need many more mods 22:30 Shara but build* 22:31 IhrFussel This Xeon machine stays mostly at 0.3 max_lag with 175 mods 22:31 IhrFussel About 10 pretty heavy 22:32 Fixer this is perfect, how much players? 22:34 IhrFussel The player count doesn't really affect it much... it's 0.3 with 10 players and with 20 ... I had 33 recently and the max_lag spiked to 0.5 22:35 Fixer IhrFussel: it is very good max_lag, congratulations 22:35 red-001 and somehow carts still don't work right 22:35 IhrFussel Well it's a VPS with dedicated CPU and most of the time the performance is awesome for $15/month 22:36 Fixer red-001: you have not seen those original carts from mushroomAdam, today's carts are silky smooooooooth compared to them 22:36 Fixer also, minecraft beta and up to 1.8 or so had laggy as hell boats/carts too 22:37 red-001 Fixer, I almost vomit everytime I try to use them 22:37 red-001 get stuck ~30% of the time 22:37 IhrFussel red-001, stuck in an endless loop? That's what I always get when I use default carts 22:37 red-001 and then just keep teleporting back and forward 22:37 red-001 IhrFussel, yep 22:38 IhrFussel Anyways need to sleep now... see you later =) 22:38 red-001 cya 22:39 Fixer red-001: post a bug about that, they were working fine for me 22:41 sfan5 anticheat does not take care of all possible physics modifiers 22:41 Fixer red-001: Krock will probably look into it, just post a bug 22:41 sfan5 indeed, this can be fixed 22:45 Shara sfan5: any improvement at all would be appreciated when it comes to anticheat