Time  Nick          Message
00:10 benrob0329    IhrFussel: whats UTF-8 support?
00:17 IhrFussel     benrob0329, something unknown in MT =P
00:19 rubenwardy    ARGH
00:19 rubenwardy    WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID GITHUB
00:19 rubenwardy    JEEZ
00:21 Megaf         ruben, where is that coming from?
00:21 rubenwardy    Whenever I try to search something in lua_api.txt, it either goes into quick find file or edit mode
00:23 Megaf         rubenwardy: just ctrl + f and type wht you need?
00:23 Fixer         FINALLY SOMEONE USES CAPSLOCK
00:23 Megaf         MEH, THIS IS NOT POLITE Fixer
00:24 Megaf         n o t  p o l i t e
00:24 rubenwardy    Megaf, can't
00:24 Megaf         !?
00:24 rubenwardy    page listens for key stokes and does the "smart" stuff
00:25 rubenwardy    find takes a split second to open, but in that time I've typed the first letter
00:25 rubenwardy    so if I do   ctrl+f e n v i r o n m e n t
00:25 rubenwardy    the e will be caught by the page and ctrl+f, but the page does stuff first
00:25 Megaf         works perfect in Chromium for me https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
00:25 rubenwardy    (y)
00:25 rubenwardy    congrats
00:25 Megaf         ctrl + f uses chromiums search thing
00:26 Megaf         rubenwardy: just use RAW https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest/minetest/master/doc/lua_api.txt
00:32 benrob0329    rubenwardy: gitlab or the search function under <menu>
00:39 benrob0329    What is it with people and bumping 4 year old mods that ofc arent going to work anymore
00:57 twoelk        hope?
01:00 Fixer         maybe they do work
10:26 CWz           BananaLand isn't showing up on the server list
10:38 lumberJ       CWz its showing here: http://servers.minetest.net/
10:39 lumberJ       daconcepts.com:31009
11:14 nerzhul       note, yesterday i read some things about user limit count, don't forget minetest.register_can_bypass_userlimit
11:37 MinetestBot   paramat: Jan-12 07:59 UTC <tumeninodes> thank you related to step height
11:38 tenplus1      hi folks
11:50 tenplus1      hi Darcidride
12:28 Darcidride_   Hi tenplus1
12:29 tenplus1      o/
12:38 Fixer         hi
12:38 tenplus1      hey fixer
12:53 tenplus1      Xanadu updated with latest farming and mobs changes :D
13:02 tenplus1      wb
13:16 tenplus1      hi evergreen
13:23 tenplus1      hi aerozoic
13:23 aerozoic      hello
14:18 tenplus1      wb folks
14:20 Fixer         ty
14:20 Fixer         did some postmeltdown DISK related benchmarks
14:20 Fixer         crystaldiskmark and atto ones
14:21 tenplus1      not see 'em
14:21 Fixer         also
14:22 Fixer         seems like performance issues are not over
14:22 tenplus1      what you noticed ?
14:23 Fixer         according to microsoft "In general, our experience is that Variant 1 and Variant 3 mitigations have minimal performance impact, while Variant 2 remediation, including OS and microcode, has a performance impact."
14:23 tenplus1      so far I have latest kernels and microcode and I dont notice any major regression
14:23 Fixer         Windows and Linux users already received Meltdown patches (Variant 3)
14:23 Fixer         Microcode Update for Spectre for some CPU was released recently
14:24 Fixer         Variant 2
14:24 Fixer         Spectre mitigation will have bigger penalty :/
14:24 Fixer         tenplus1: minetest itself had same fps before/after patch, however emergeblocks was like 15% slower iirc
14:25 tenplus1      after running ubu 18.04 with all new kernel.microcode.mesa I get fps increase
14:26 tenplus1      but I think the newer drivers are helping accomodate the regression from spectre
14:26 Fixer         tenplus1: I compared my old CrystalDiskMark test from 2014 with todays numbers, they are a bit lower, ATTO gave me mixed results, something was lower and smth higher
14:27 Fixer         crystal disk mark: https://i.imgur.com/RTVmhcL.png
14:29 Fixer         disk io gonna suuck
14:30 Fixer         seems like worst part will be Spectre mitigation, it is not final slowdown we see
14:30 tenplus1      damn, it hits io hard
14:30 Fixer         yeah
14:30 Fixer         same for some SSD operations
14:31 Fixer         some workloads will be hit hard when that Retpoline goes merged
14:31 Fixer         into linux
14:31 Fixer         server related crap
14:31 tenplus1      wonder how amd compares after fix
14:32 Fixer         "Intel promises transparency as Meltdown patch causes reboot problems with Broadwell and Haswell chips"
14:32 Fixer         ke-ke-ke
14:32 Fixer         AMD has BSODS iirc
14:33 Fixer         AMD is affected to Spectre, but not to Meltdown
14:33 Fixer         "Warning: Microsoft's Meltdown and Spectre patch is bricking some AMD PCs"
14:33 tenplus1      if only they gave an option/boot setting to disable fixes and bring back speed
14:33 Fixer         "Microsoft pausing the rollout of Spectre and Meltdown patches to AMD systems"
14:33 Fixer         tenplus1: you can
14:33 Fixer         tenplus1: in linux at least, for meltdown at least
14:33 Fixer         kptioff or smth like that, at boot
14:34 Fixer         not sure about retpoline/spectre thingy
14:36 Fixer         tenplus1: ordinary users with meltdown patch, that do game/office should not be screwed much
14:36 tenplus1      end of the day you still need access to pc to do anything with flaws,
14:39 tenplus1      hi srf
14:39 tenplus1      lol, too short :) hey srifqi
14:40 Fixer         "With the Spectre attack, this information can be used to, for example, leak information within a browser (such as saved passwords or cookies) to a malicious JavaScript."
14:40 Fixer         this part is especially horrifying
14:40 tenplus1      thankfully I dont save either... :D
14:40 srifqi        Hi tenplus1 !
14:41 srifqi        What is Spectre attack?
14:43 tenplus1      it's a sinister group in the bond movies that plan to take over INtel
14:47 srifqi        :O
14:48 Fixer         "Windows will use PCID if the hardware supports INVPCID—that means Haswell or newer. If the hardware doesn't support INVPCID, then Windows won't fall back to using plain PCID"
14:48 Fixer         this suck too
14:48 Fixer         s
14:48 Fixer         i have PCID, but not INVPCID
14:48 tenplus1      why they gotta mess with the chips... whyyyyyyyy
14:53 Megaf         Are PowerPCs affected?
14:53 tenplus1      those are too old to be affected
14:53 Megaf         PPC still very alive tenplus1
14:53 Fixer         very good article https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/heres-how-and-why-the-spectre-and-meltdown-patches-will-hurt-performance/
14:54 Megaf         tenplus1: the current PowerPC are the POWER 9
14:55 Megaf         They have up to 8 threads per core and 12 and 24 core CPUs
14:56 Megaf         So up to 96 threads per CPU
14:56 tenplus1      damn, didnt know they were still being worked on... thought ppc died a death when apple moved to intel
14:56 tenplus1      also hi Megaf
14:56 Megaf         Hi :)
14:56 Megaf         I wish I had a POWER9 workstation
14:56 Megaf         Debian do support them
14:56 Megaf         oh, and 4 GHz
14:58 Fixer         https://twitter.com/fran6wol/status/949696666172641280 python slowdown
14:58 Megaf         tenplus1: you know this? https://raptorcs.com/TALOSII/
14:58 Megaf         opensource powerpc computer
14:58 tenplus1      nice
14:59 Megaf         So my question stands, are PowerPCs affected? :)
14:59 tenplus1      http://tenfourfox.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/is-powerpc-susceptible-to-spectre-yep.html
15:00 Megaf         yep, I'm reading some websites abut that
15:00 Megaf         now, what about SPARC!?
15:01 tenplus1      ehehe
15:01 tenplus1      POWER 8, POWER 9, System z, and SPARC are also vulnerable.
15:01 Megaf         oh boy, what do we have left?
15:01 Megaf         RISC V
15:02 tenplus1      https://www.techpowerup.com/240310/risc-v-foundation-issues-statement-on-spectre-meltdown-exploits
15:04 Megaf         Aha!
15:04 Megaf         They did not disapoint me
15:04 tenplus1      lol,
15:04 Calinou       "if you are rich, come to us"
15:04 Calinou       "ditch your girlfriend and enjoy CPU safety"
15:04 Calinou       :D
15:04 tenplus1      think I'll wait until the next-gen cpu's appear before ever upgrading...
15:04 Megaf         ditch girlfirend, done
15:04 Megaf         can I have my CPU now?
15:04 tenplus1      hi cal
15:05 Calinou       hi
15:05 Megaf         I think MIPS CPUs are safe too tenplus1
15:06 Megaf         if MIPS were affected then havoc would happen
15:06 Fixer         Calinou: ditched my girlfriend @ finally updated my PC @ PCMasterRace
15:06 tenplus1      wonder if I can stack 68040's and use those :P
15:06 Megaf         since a lot of routers, switches and stuff use MIPS
15:07 Fixer         good benchmarks here https://www.techspot.com/article/1556-meltdown-and-spectre-cpu-performance-windows/
15:07 Fixer         also, part 3 is SAD!
15:07 Megaf         Fixer: the website is very sad, it's a piece of crap
15:07 Megaf         since it requires JavaScriptt to function
15:07 tenplus1      lol
15:08 Megaf         not enabling JS for a website, no way
15:08 Megaf         no even Google has JS from me
15:08 Megaf         meh, anyone can edit wikipedia and add JS that exploits meltdown
15:08 Calinou       uh, I don't think so
15:09 * Megaf       removes wikipedia from the whitelist
15:09 Calinou       you can add CSS and JavaScript to your own user account, which will only be used by yourself
15:09 Calinou       (either for a specific theme, or for all themes)
15:09 Fixer         from what I see, when I get microcode update - my HDD will start crying
15:10 Megaf         very nice website that doesnt use JS https://newworldinteractive.com/
15:10 Megaf         or at least works well without it
15:11 tenplus1      wow, that's nicely done
15:12 Megaf         Indeed
15:12 Megaf         see? That's why I hate JS
15:12 tenplus1      it can all be done with html5
15:12 Megaf         heavy as hell, devs make terrible use of it, it's vunerable, and totally not necessary
15:14 tenplus1      maybe 2018 will see some browser changes to stop all that
15:14 tenplus1      what would you say is the best plugin for chromium to limit JS usage ?
15:14 lisac         any idea how does one create vertical tabheader?
15:15 Megaf         tenplus1: just disable JS
15:15 Megaf         then enable it for the websites you want
15:15 tenplus1      wont that mess up MANY sites
15:16 Megaf         the messed up websites you stop visiting
15:16 Megaf         because they are crap
15:16 tenplus1      lol
15:16 tenplus1      will do a test, lemmie disable JS and reset browser
15:18 tenplus1      lolol, youtube doesnt work at all :P hah
15:18 tenplus1      that's so sad
15:18 lisac         tenplus1: I thought YT was HTML5 since ages ago
15:18 lisac         wait
15:18 lisac         kill me
15:19 lisac         anyway, you can use noscript
15:19 tenplus1      all I get is a youtube logo in corner and nothing on screen...
15:19 tenplus1      hi lisac
15:19 lisac         hey tenplus1 :)
15:19 lisac         https://noscript.net/
15:19 Megaf         13:18 <tenplus1> lolol, youtube doesnt work at all :P hah
15:19 Megaf         confirmed ^
15:20 Megaf         and that's sad
15:20 tenplus1      indeed... why do so many sites use this
15:20 Megaf         as I previously shoes in te newwroldinteractive, you don't need JS for videos
15:20 tenplus1      I coudl add a javascript button to the page and enable.disable at will
15:20 tenplus1      hrm
15:21 Megaf         tenplus1: for the same reason people use Windows, .NET and other crap. because they are lazy ass and don't want to make something really good
15:21 tenplus1      damn their lazyness
15:21 Megaf         And as I always said, It's too easy making software for powerful hardware
15:21 Megaf         it doesnt care about your lazyness and mistakes
15:22 tenplus1      chromium has a scriptsafe plugin
15:22 srifqi        Minetest landing page?
15:22 Megaf         down
15:23 srifqi        I mean, can Minetest main web page still run without JS?
15:23 Megaf         Dont know, it's down
15:23 Megaf         http://servers.minetest.net/ is just a white page without JS
15:24 Megaf         srifqi: minetest.net seems to work ok withtou JS
15:24 Megaf         apart from the menus
15:24 srifqi        Minetest server list depends on JS for content update.
15:25 Megaf         the bloody menus are stupid JS code
15:25 srifqi        The menus don't work?
15:25 srifqi        I thought it was CSS.
15:25 Megaf         man, you can do nice menus in old HTML 4
15:25 Megaf         without JS
15:25 Megaf         2018, really?\
15:25 Megaf         /o\
15:25 Megaf         ╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
15:26 Calinou       servers.minetest.net uses AJAX to update without having to refresh the entire page
15:26 Calinou       ("meta refresh" can be used to do that in HTML, but it makes for a really bad user experience)
15:27 Calinou       (it cannot be controlled by the user, it will scroll back up on refresh and everything)
15:27 Megaf         feck this. I ain't enable JS. ┻━┻ ︵ ¯\(ツ)/¯ ︵ ┻━┻
15:27 Calinou       (plus, it flashes)
15:28 red-001       just read http://servers.minetest.net/list
15:29 Megaf         oh my
15:29 Calinou       JSON is my son!
15:29 red-001       Calinou, couldn't the server do some noscript stuff and serve a static page to anyone in <current year> without javascript?
15:30 Megaf         wb tenplus1
15:30 tenplus1      thanks...  I have javascript disabled by default and can enable with button on navbar :D
15:32 Calinou       red-001: it's possible but it won't refresh automatically
15:32 Calinou       it would require moving the HTML rendering server-side, too
15:32 red-001       Calinou, gets the JS haters to stop complaining through
15:32 Calinou       (it's client-side right now, IIRC, I'm not sure)
15:33 red-001       yeah it's seems to be client sided
15:33 Megaf         Can't PHP do a lor of JS stuff?
15:33 Megaf         lot*
15:33 red-001       Calinou, what about the minetest.net menus, I have heared people complain about them way too many times
15:34 tenplus1      wow google search looks sooooo different without javascript active
15:34 Megaf         It's the old site
15:34 Megaf         it used to be like that
15:35 tenplus1      I prefer it, loads fast
15:35 Calinou       red-001: yeah, not sure if Bootstrap easily supports a way to make them display on hover using CSS
15:35 Megaf         And I rather like that version
15:35 Calinou       (instead of on-click using JavaScript)
15:35 Megaf         also, it doesn't mask the page URLs
15:35 Calinou       DuckDuckGo still has a no-JS version by the way
15:35 Megaf         tenplus1: try your GMail :)
15:35 red-001       they kinda need to Calinou
15:35 Megaf         you can even midle click your emails to open them in a new tab
15:36 red-001       thier selling point is that they wouldn't track you
15:36 tenplus1      sweeeet, so fast... what the hell are google playing at using the slow ass javascript
15:37 Fixer         Megaf: js is not purely evil, you can enable bits you trust and leave trash/trackers disabled
15:37 Megaf         tenplus1: verbatim mode in google search, try it
15:37 Megaf         no ads in teh results
15:38 Fixer         i have not seen ads in google since ages
15:38 tenplus1      have had adblocker enabled for years now :D
15:39 Megaf         apple.com also works without JS
15:39 Megaf         adblockers slow things down a lot
15:39 Megaf         and make your browser use lots of memory/cpu
15:39 tenplus1      they do, but I dont wanna see so much crap being loaded with a site
15:39 Megaf         best thing is use clean chromium, without JS
15:39 Megaf         and plugins and extension
15:40 Calinou       I went back to Chromium, it's much smoother on Linux than Firefox
15:40 tenplus1      agreed
15:40 Calinou       Firefox on Linux has CSD now (especially in Fedora) so you gain some vertical space, but it's still less smooth
15:40 Megaf         Firefox is very slow indeed
15:40 Calinou       I forced hardware acceleration in both, and tweaked many flags in Chromium
15:40 red-001       I'm about 50% sure that browsers use that much memory just to drive up ram prices
15:40 tenplus1      I use to hate chromium for it's lack of cache settings, but found a way around it :D
15:40 Calinou       (new prefetcher, 4 render threads, …)
15:41 Fixer         adblocker for decades actually
15:41 Megaf         tenplus1: Opera up to 12 was the best browser
15:41 Calinou       pages on https://www.notebookcheck.net/ load in < 1 second, despite having an ADSL connection
15:41 Megaf         you could set up settings for ram cache AND disk cache
15:41 Calinou       sometimes < 0.5s even
15:41 tenplus1      opera was a great browser, I use it until they went chromium and it exploded in site
15:41 tenplus1      *size
15:42 Megaf         rebotting to kernel 4.15, brb
15:42 tenplus1      good luck
15:42 Fixer         Calinou: it is funny how manufacturers raped everyone with 16:9, so you need to CSD, and other """workarounds""", when you can sell 16:10 for good prices but you don't want because it is made into Elite category
15:42 Calinou       with 7 tabs, the Chromium processes amount to ~1.2 GB of RAM or so right now
15:42 Calinou       it's a lot but I have 32 GB…
15:42 Calinou       and I set some flags which increase memory usage, but make it a bit faster
15:43 Calinou       Fixer: to be fair, I don't need 16:10 on 32" :)
15:43 Calinou       I'd like it on a laptop though
15:43 tenplus1      Cal, what are your fav. flags to change ?
15:43 Calinou       or even 3:2 like the Surface Pro
15:43 Fixer         Calinou: yes, laptops are affected a lot by this nonsense
15:44 Fixer         i really need to calculate what 16:10/9 i need to replace my 19" 5:4 to have as much physical height
15:45 Calinou       tenplus1: I enable Override software rendering list, Display list 2D canvas, Fast tab/window close, Overlay Scrollbars, GPU rasterization, TCP Fast Open, Zero-copy rasterizer, Number of raster threads (4), Allow invalid certificates for resources loaded from localhost, Brotli Content-Encoding, No-State Prefetch (Enabled Prerender), Speculative Prefetch (Enabled Prefetching), many Omnibox things (narrow dropdown, 8 matches instead of 4, site
15:45 Calinou       favions, no trivial subdomains)
15:45 Calinou       whew :)
15:45 Calinou       the browser is still super stable
15:46 tenplus1      oof, lemmie copy n paste that one :D
15:46 tenplus1      I just disable cache and add adblocker :P
15:46 Fixer         Calinou: 1920x1200 is amazing for retro, since you can have proper pixel sizes
15:47 Calinou       https://lut.im/rRvVH1bf6e/QqHa6qfBd8A2buoq.png
15:47 Calinou       my Omnibox looks like this
15:47 Calinou       Fixer: 2560×1440 works well for lowres Doom :P
15:47 Calinou       (6× scale in Chocolate Doom, 3× scale in Crispy Doom)
15:47 Fixer         Calinou: 2560 is probably overkill
15:47 Fixer         i don't have THAT MUCH CASH
15:49 Fixer         according to calculations, I need at least 24" 16:9 to have same height (physical and pixel)
15:49 Megaf         meh, nouveau is totally broekn in 4.15 rc5
15:49 Calinou       2560×1440 is fairly cheap in 24"/25"/27" but you need scaling
15:50 Megaf         rebooted in macOS instead...
15:50 Calinou       32" doesn't require it, but starts at €420 or so
15:50 tenplus1      yeh, when using minetest it eventually stalled desktop Megaf
15:50 Fixer         no wait
15:50 Megaf         I couldnt even get the kernel to load properly tenplus1
15:50 Megaf         framebuffer wast working
15:50 Fixer         according to my calc, 24-25" should be good enough
15:51 Fixer         or 23" 16:10
15:51 tenplus1      amd opensource is much better
15:51 Fixer         24" 16:10
15:53 Fixer         https://www.ghacks.net/2018/01/11/check-linux-for-spectre-or-meltdown-vulnerability/
15:53 Calinou       I checked it, I still have vulnerability to Spectre :)
15:54 Calinou       I reported https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker/issues/46 :P
15:56 Fixer         Calinou: you have updated bios/microcode?
16:00 Calinou       nope
16:00 Calinou       I just updated the kernel
16:00 Calinou       so I have the Meltdown fix at least
16:04 Fixer         "In a world where vintage-2011 Sandy Bridge processors"
16:04 Fixer         V I N T A G E????
16:05 Fixer         writer is probably apple user
16:05 tenplus1      ahaha
16:06 tenplus1      my intel atom came out 2012 so I'm not quite vintage yet :D
16:06 Calinou       Fixer: eh, 8 year old CPUs are vintage
16:06 Calinou       even Sandy Bridge could be considered vintage
16:06 red-001       vintage apple product: anything older then ~6 months
16:06 Fixer         no it is not
16:06 Fixer         386 is vintage
16:06 tenplus1      lol red
16:07 Fixer         Celeron 300MHz is vintage
16:07 Fixer         Pentium III is vintage
16:07 Fixer         everything else still used actively
16:07 Fixer         you can slap more RAM on Athlon XP and keep using it in office
16:08 Fixer         they are not updating, they install more RAM and keep using whatever was installed, XP or 7 or whatever
16:08 tenplus1      yeah, hell I've used a 286 pc with 4mb memory and working with Lotus Office :D
16:08 Fixer         even stuff like Celeron 1.7Ghz is used
16:08 Megaf         Calinou: AFAIK you need new firmware and a matching kernel
16:09 Megaf         Calinou: how can I test if I'm affected?
16:09 Fixer         i have notebook in use with CPU from 2008 or so
16:10 Fixer         today if you don't game at Ultra settings you dont need upgrade much anymore
16:10 Megaf         I wonder if that will work on OS X
16:11 Fixer         some """"""""vintage""""""" core i5 with 200usd videocard is still perfectly up for most tasks
16:11 Calinou       Megaf: https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker on Linux
16:12 Calinou       other tools exist for macOS, surely
16:12 red-001       honestly kinda surprised apple didn't get thier hardware to brick itself after 2 years, I guess that might have been too on the nose
16:12 Calinou       Fixer: today's games pretty much require a quad core CPU to run smoothly, regardless of settings
16:12 Calinou       these debuted in 2011 laptops :)
16:12 Fixer         Calinou: require? they will not refuse to work anyway
16:13 Calinou       they'll run poorly, often stuttering below 30 FPS
16:13 Fixer         it is like, hey, you got only two eggs, i mean cores, f--k you, i will not run
16:13 Fixer         Calinou: quad cores were available since ages
16:13 tenplus1      2fps... pfft
16:14 tenplus1      64-bit has been available for ages and games still dont take advantage
16:14 Fixer         4 cores since 2007 in Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600
16:15 Megaf         I might buy a Core2Quad laptop next month
16:15 Fixer         tenplus1: yeah, iirc, ETS2 was 32bit and sometimes crashed because of limit
16:16 Fixer         i had no such problem though
16:16 tenplus1      :P
16:17 tenplus1      my nettop has 32-bit linus on it for so long and eventually installed 64-bit by mistake and it worked :) ahahahaha
16:17 Fixer         if you don't use much mem, there is no need for 64 bit
16:17 Megaf         restarting, going back to Debian now (installing update on macOS)
16:17 tenplus1      w00t
16:17 Fixer         but it is prefered for now
16:18 Calinou       Fixer: in laptops, no
16:18 Calinou       you mentioned laptops ;)
16:18 tenplus1      at the time I had 2gb... now I have 4gb (nettops limis)
16:18 Fixer         Calinou: nah, nobody plays on craptops, apart from mazos
16:18 Calinou       I remember 32-bit Minecraft OOMing in late 2011 when using the Far render distance
16:18 Calinou       Mojang eventually discouraged the usage of 32-bit Java if using the Far render idstance
16:18 Calinou       now, the maximal renderer distance depends on the -Xmx value you use
16:18 Calinou       I can set up to 64 since I use -Xmx4G :)
16:18 red-001       is 32-bit not dead yet?
16:18 Fixer         but times change, now people buy 1USD chinese speakers to listen to music @ It is 2017
16:19 tenplus1      it will be in a few years when the older systems eventually die or stop being suported
16:19 Calinou       many distros no longer provide support for 32-bit
16:19 Calinou       Arch Linux doesn't even provides updates anymore, but an official continuation exist
16:19 Calinou       exists*
16:19 tenplus1      lubuntu is the only *buntu version to do so... the rest are 64-bit only now
16:19 Fixer         debian/slackware will probably support
16:22 tenplus1      considering how cheap it is to buy a 64-bit system now am sure ppl will upgrade where poissible
16:22 * Wayward_One is running 32 bit mint 18.3 on this 2-in-1
16:23 Wayward_One   :P
16:23 red-001       hi Wayward_One
16:23 tenplus1      hows it run ?
16:23 tenplus1      also hi
16:23 Wayward_One   really well
16:23 Wayward_One   hi :)
16:23 Fixer         tenplus1: not everywhere, in a lot of countries apart from US/Japan/EU stuff gets MORE PRICEY every damn day
16:23 Wayward_One   considering this device only has 2Gb ram
16:23 tenplus1      my 64-bit lenovo desktop was 99quid... that has a quad j2900
16:24 Fixer         there is a reason why I'm using Core i3 Sandy Bridge... it costs 3x as much today as when I bought it
16:24 srifqi        My 32-bit pentium 4 computer runs on lubuntu.
16:24 tenplus1      sweet, all my systems run lubuntu...  even xanadu server on it's core i5
16:25 srifqi        ... with 72 GB HDD and 512 MB RAM. ._.
16:25 tenplus1      wow, what do you use it for ?
16:31 tenplus1      hi CBD
16:32 CBugDCoder    hi ten
16:33 tenplus1      srifqi: did you add the 'vm.swappiness = 15' line to /etc/sysctl.conf  file to help with memory ?
16:33 CBugDCoder    I just got done modifying mobs-redo so that the mobs turn smoothly :)
16:33 tenplus1      ooh nice, you got it on git ?
16:34 srifqi        tenplus1: mostly because I have old data archived there and I need an OS to run it so that it still has some value to not to be ended up in trash.
16:34 srifqi        Also, my brothers still use it.
16:34 tenplus1      I agree, mightbe old but if it still works :) yay
16:35 CBugDCoder    not atm it is for athermensia but i can send you the changes in a pm if you want i also made the mobs runaway crooked as if they are scared XD
16:35 srifqi        Never heard about sysctl.conf.
16:35 Calinou       sysctl.conf has been here for over 10 years, IIRC
16:35 Calinou       it's not linked to systemd
16:35 tenplus1      srifqi: it handles virtual memory so it doesnt use it too soon, hence slowing down the computer,
16:35 tenplus1      CBugDCoder: that'd be kewl thanks, would like to see changes :)
16:36 srifqi        Basically, use RAM more often than virtual memory?
16:36 tenplus1      exactly, and once it hits 15% left use vm to unload memory
16:36 tenplus1      it helps a lot
16:36 tenplus1      even setting to 20 would be ideal wit 512mb
16:37 srifqi        Will try next time I use it.
16:51 srifqi        Late night here. See you!
16:52 tenplus1      o/
17:01 rubenwardy    yo
17:01 tenplus1      hi ruben
17:03 rubenwardy    > spam up on the forum for 10 hours
17:03 tenplus1      is it that damn tech product thing again, fed up reporting those
17:06 rubenwardy    yeah
17:06 tenplus1      kinda wish I had a wee delete button next to the alert icon so I could just remove it
17:06 rubenwardy    always the same   [a-z]apedLen
17:06 rubenwardy    I wish there were a delete icon
17:07 rubenwardy    you have to select the user profile, click administrate, enter password, ban their IP, then delete posts
17:07 rubenwardy    the last action takes about 20 seconds
17:07 rubenwardy    maybe 10
17:29 nore          rubenwardy: install selenium and make a script for that :p
17:33 rubenwardy    new homepage https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/index.html
17:33 rubenwardy    O_o
17:33 tenplus1      :P
17:33 rubenwardy    older one had a lot of junk
17:33 rubenwardy    nore: I'll look into it, hesistant though
17:33 rubenwardy    don't want to accidentally delete a user again
17:33 rubenwardy    <_<
17:35 Dargod        hi all
17:36 rubenwardy    hi
17:37 tenplus1      hi Dargod
17:50 red-001       I use sytlebot to inject css
17:54 Megaf         Opera used to change sites styles...
17:54 Megaf         Man, Opera was so amazing
17:55 Megaf         opera/stable 12.16.1860 amd64
17:55 Megaf         Fast and secure web browser and Internet suite
17:55 Megaf         cool
17:56 Megaf         apt search opera ^
18:01 Fixer         rubenwardy: for some reason, it does not fit like 1-2 pixels by height, so I see a scrollbar
18:01 Fixer         rubenwardy: 1280x1024
18:02 rubenwardy    thanks for saying
18:02 rubenwardy    can remove some of the cover heigh
18:04 rubenwardy    huh, I can't reproduce with 1280x1024
18:04 Megaf         there, best browser ever ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/1216/
18:04 rubenwardy    on FF or Chrome
18:04 Megaf         tar the bz2, is protable, run from where you extract it
18:07 tenplus1      hi benrob
18:08 benrob0329    Hi ten
18:11 Dargod        It would be nice if someone tested my style for servers.minetest.net
18:11 Dargod        https://userstyles.org/styles/154149/night-mt-server-list
18:16 tenplus1      hi fussel
18:17 Megaf         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhvfa3zRaGs
18:17 Megaf         !title
18:17 MinetestBot   Megaf: $17,000 PC from 1990: IBM PS/2 Model 90 XP 486 - YouTube
18:17 IhrFussel     2018-01-13 19:11:36: [Main]: INFO: signal_handler(): got SIGTERM, shutting down. << I did NOT shut it down or end the process... what could've caused it?
18:17 rubenwardy    low memory
18:18 rubenwardy    restart of vps
18:19 IhrFussel     If it was memory wouldn't dmesg report it? The VM didn't restart, just the MT process exited for some reason
18:24 sfan5         look into dmesg
18:24 sfan5         if it's not in there it was something else
18:47 IhrFussel     dmesg only reports a segfault but that was earlier today ... I see no /shutdown in the chat log either
18:48 IhrFussel     Could KVM shutdown processes of VMs if they are too resource hungry maybe?
18:55 sfan5         no
18:56 benrob0329    Bye all o/
18:56 tenplus1      cya
19:02 Fixer         Megaf: i've read some history on PS/2, it was so funny, IBM PC clones won
19:02 Fixer         you are welcome
19:02 IhrFussel     sfan5, is there a way to find out which process sent the signal?
19:02 sfan5         nope
19:20 tenplus1      hi nerzhul
19:20 nerzhul       hi tenplus1
19:20 nerzhul       i updated the current 0.5 changelog on the wiki
19:20 nerzhul       https://wiki.minetest.net/Changelog
19:21 tenplus1      wb CBugDCoder, this kinda works: https://pastebin.com/ZTSud34a
19:21 nerzhul       hmm http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog sorry
19:24 Shara         nerzhul: not adding ability for subgames to restrict mapgen?
19:27 nerzhul       i don't see any commit about that
19:28 Shara         It's #6792
19:28 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6792 -- Give subgames the ability to disallow specific mapgens by Ezhh
19:29 Shara         It's a quite important feature for people making subgames, and addin git closed of some quite old issue about this
19:29 Shara         So would be nice to include it :)
19:31 CBugDCoder    hmm ten it still doesnt me or seem to turn much at all
19:31 CBugDCoder    follow ^
19:32 tenplus1      issue with mobs attacking, you get to a certain angle and they keep going straight instead of at player
19:39 CBugDCoder    ten that could be easily fixed by having the set velocity function read the yaw from target_yaw
19:40 CBugDCoder    but that would make movement jerky
19:40 tenplus1      yeah, attack yaw is smooth cause it's updated per tick instead of the usual 1 second interval
19:41 tenplus1      maybe we could have a turn funtion to turn THEN attack
19:41 tenplus1      priority goes to turning first before movement
19:45 CBugDCoder    yea or have the folowing/attacking updated per step instead of per second
19:45 tenplus1      normal mob tick is per second, movement is per second but when attacking its per tick so it turns to face player smoother
19:46 CBugDCoder    yes
19:49 tenplus1      man I hate radians...  why werent entities using degrees...
19:50 CBugDCoder    XD me too
19:50 CBugDCoder    ohh make a converter function so that the mobs can use radians and set/get yaw converts it XD
19:51 CBugDCoder    i meant so that they can use degrees
19:51 CBugDCoder    XD
19:51 tenplus1      I would but mob rotation and riding rely on radians... that took me forever to figure out
19:51 tenplus1      :P
19:52 CBugDCoder    ohh XD
19:52 tenplus1      I was trying to simplify your turning function by using hardcoded radians, 0 = 0 degrees, 6.283 = 360 degrees
19:58 paramat       too much offtopic here today (usual suspects), just read logs :)
19:59 tenplus1      what offtopic ? intel ?
20:00 tenplus1      also, hi
20:04 tenplus1      wb ruben
20:05 rubenwardy    nerzhul: please put the authors
20:05 rubenwardy    jesus
20:07 Shara         I'll just add that one myself to make sure it's not missed
20:14 tenplus1      Mobs Redo API updated with bug fixes
20:19 tenplus1      hi compunerd
20:34 tenplus1      hi nathan
20:34 NathanS21     hi tenplus1
20:35 tenplus1      :P
21:01 tenplus1      nite folks
21:20 nerzhul       rubenwardy, no, i never did that , and i'm the only to maintain that and i don't have time for this :)
21:20 rubenwardy    you can literally do it as you're making the change log
21:25 nerzhul       i can but i don't want to do it, i don't have time for this.
21:26 nerzhul       nobody wants to do the changelog as it seems, 6 months pass and nobody has updated it since my last update
21:26 nerzhul       and i don't want to loose time to find all commits to see who did what, i have other things to do :)
21:27 nerzhul       https://twitter.com/MalwareJake/status/952025261045895168 serious, lkml...
21:45 red-001       changelogs are thankless work
21:46 Calinou       are people still asking me to write a changelog 2 years later? :D
21:47 Calinou       we should have followed http://keepachangelog.com/en/1.0.0/ from the beginning :(
21:47 Calinou       I'm doing this for my own projects now
21:47 Calinou       (see moreblocks)
21:56 Shara         Any kind of documentation related work is usually thankless.
21:57 Shara         Just generates complaints if not done.
22:01 Calinou       exactly
22:01 Calinou       few people thanked me for the 4,000+ edits I've done on the Minecraft wiki :)
22:31 red-001       hi Grandolf
22:31 Grandolf      hi red
22:49 Grandolf      how do i fix skins on minetest 0.5.0-dev?
22:50 Shara         What's wrong with them?
22:50 Grandolf      they are sunken into the ground
22:50 Grandolf      by about 1 node
22:50 Shara         So the player model is sunk?
22:50 Shara         Is this when connecting to a server?
22:51 Shara         If so, you need to make sure you have the same version client as the server
23:48 Megaf         Man, my ears really actually hurt when I listen to modern music
23:48 Megaf         the amplitude and rithm are just wrong
23:48 Megaf         too loud
23:48 Megaf         no continuation
23:48 Megaf         And I wont even mention the lyrics
23:49 Megaf         This is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5keCuQffN3g
23:51 Megaf         !title
23:51 MinetestBot   Megaf: Daft Punk - Get Lucky (Vinyl) - YouTube
23:51 Megaf         and this
23:51 Megaf         !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LI-xUDjlI
23:51 MinetestBot   Megaf: Pink Floyd - Mother - 432Hz (HQ German Vinyl) - YouTube
23:52 Megaf         Loud music ain't good