Time Nick Message 00:00 Megaf paramat: what about Rogers PRs? 00:00 paramat mostly neglected by author 00:00 rubenwardy I will note that I do like SN's changes, just not how they are presented 00:01 Megaf neglected? He waited for several years 00:01 Megaf is Roger his name? 00:01 Megaf lemme check 00:01 rubenwardy Rogier-5 00:02 Megaf ok 00:02 Megaf red-001 himself have some very interesting PRs that I don't see getting merged soon 00:03 Megaf rubenwardy: you have trivial PRs that were not merged yet either 00:03 Megaf we have good coders and good PRs 00:03 Megaf but more times is being put in other stuff 00:03 Megaf #6882 00:03 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6882 -- Fix naming conventions of noise userdata by rubenwardy 00:03 Megaf just merge it 00:04 paramat nooo, when i say 'neglected' i mean we are waiting for author action, and not rebase because we understand that rebasing while no reviews are happening is irritating 00:04 Megaf #6883 there shouldnt be a need for this PR, 00:04 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6883 -- Convert Lua vectors into a proper Lua class by rubenwardy 00:04 paramat we are waiting on red for action on many of their PRs 00:04 Megaf #6825 could be merged too 00:04 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6825 -- Smooth yaw by SmallJoker 00:04 Megaf and so on 00:04 paramat 6882 is trivial enough +1 00:05 Megaf numberZero has been doing a good work too. Just not very good style yet, but he is learning 00:05 red-001 whats the discussion about? 00:05 paramat 6825 has no review or approval yet, you want quality right? =) 00:06 red-001 #6825 00:06 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6825 -- Smooth yaw by SmallJoker 00:06 Megaf paramat: but then that I dont want good PRs dying 00:07 Megaf paramat: by the way, thank you so much for all the time you have been puting in Minetest dev lately 00:07 paramat then complain to the authors to work on them 00:07 paramat heheh 00:07 paramat thanks you 00:08 Megaf I'm not attacking anyone personally, I want to make that very clear. I like all of you. I just think we can make an even better job in Minetest, specially with the growing community we have 00:08 Shara Megaf; start helping out with PRs/testing then please 00:08 paramat maybe pay us a wage to review PRs, reviewing is hard and often boring, so we have to balance it against stuff we enjoy 00:08 rubenwardy we need another Fixer 00:08 rubenwardy lol, what have I done! 00:08 Shara Quality will go up if more people step forward to test things 00:08 Megaf Shara: I was doing that before you even met MT :P 00:08 rubenwardy we'll need another two now! 00:08 Shara You lost us our Fixer :( 00:08 paramat also, it's open source, so number of contributions is always too large for the limited dev time we have 00:09 Sokomine rubenwardy: you forgot to block the exit :-) 00:09 Shara paramat: that sounds like a "need more devs" to me :P 00:09 rubenwardy if you can compile, test visible changes such as player or API related changes extensively 00:09 Megaf what happened to Fixer? 00:09 sofar Connection reset by peer 00:09 rubenwardy and make sure to say what you tested (like, what you actually did) 00:11 Megaf I suggest stuff myself, stuff easy to implement. Like this #4564 00:11 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4564 -- [Request] Make client timeout if RTT < 0. 00:11 Megaf and the frustration comes when a feature or bugfix wont happen in 0.4 but only in 0.5 00:13 Shara bugfixes are actually getting added to backports branch 00:13 Megaf that 00:13 Megaf that's a recent thing 00:14 Shara Yes, but shows such concerns are listened to 00:16 rubenwardy wb Fixer 00:16 paramat if something can only be added in 0.5 there is a good reason, compatibility breakage 00:17 Megaf how is the migration of players to sqlite going? 00:17 sofar done? 00:17 Megaf the tool had a bug, has it been sorted out? 00:17 red-001 paramat, tbh you do take the whole keep it simple thing a bit far 00:17 * Megaf appreciates KISS 00:17 Megaf mostly because ADHD 00:17 Megaf :P 00:18 * Shara wants to see more stuff in MTG 00:18 Megaf IhrFussel: max_lag=0.432494 00:18 Megaf one player mininig 00:20 paramat well i just have opinions and see some things as unnecessary, diagreement is inevitable ;) 00:21 IhrFussel Megaf, max_lag 0.28 with 10 players ... but the CPU in this machine is just good 00:21 Fixer ty 00:21 Fixer have you looked into mt performance after meltdown update? 00:22 * rubenwardy kills CLion 00:22 rubenwardy relevant: https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/forums/news/announcements/132642-epic-services-stability-update 00:23 sofar could be any reason 00:23 sofar could be their hoster put more customers on the same node 00:23 rubenwardy (spot the Intel employee) 00:24 sofar look 00:24 sofar they have 3 nodes 00:24 sofar only one went up 00:24 rubenwardy maybe only one got the update? 00:24 Fixer btw 00:24 rubenwardy that's how I read it 00:24 Shara How I read it too 00:24 Fixer on linux forum i've seen reports of nearly doubling workload since meltdown update, redhat server 00:25 Megaf I should migrate my VPS and dedicated to old Opterons... 00:26 sofar it's possible 00:26 sofar it's also possible anecdotal 00:26 sofar "stability update" -> posts performance data 00:27 sofar don't get me wrong, the regression is horrendous, if it's really ~30% 00:27 Megaf #6784 that's already a feature in 0.4, it's just hte tool to migrate exising to database that is broken 00:27 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6784 -- Store auth in sqlite db. 00:27 Megaf how come it had been pushed to 0.5? 00:27 sofar but given the public available data, I'm doubtful 00:28 Megaf I know I'm somehow mistaken. Making confusion about 7684 00:28 Megaf we have a lumber j, a lazy j, a mega f. Cool! 00:29 Megaf lumberJ: you need to be logged to nickserv to talk here 00:29 Megaf MarisaG: same to you ^ 00:29 rubenwardy he is 00:29 Megaf [22:28:04] --> lumberJ (~lumberJui@96-37-222-205.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) has joined #minetest-hub 00:29 rubenwardy you can't join this channel without being logged in 00:29 Megaf he wasnt when he joined 00:29 Megaf rubenwardy: I believe you can 00:29 rubenwardy that doesn't prove anything 00:29 rubenwardy * [lumberJ] is logged in as lumberJuice 00:29 rubenwardy you can't, this channel has +r 00:30 rubenwardy (this was done last week) 00:30 Megaf aha 00:30 Megaf so we need to add him to the voice list 00:30 Shara People who want voice should poke an op 00:31 Megaf lumberJ: MarisaG: poke an op here to get voice. 00:31 Megaf if poking Shara I'd suggest using a long stick 00:31 IhrFussel Ubuntu didn't release the patches yet by the way and my server uses Ubuntu 00:32 * Megaf is not afraid of death 00:32 IhrFussel They say they try to get them out before Jan 09 but can't promise it 00:32 Fixer zabbix server under xen (whatever that is), loadavg doubled 00:32 Megaf let me check status in Debian 00:33 IhrFussel xen is a VM software like KVM AFAIK 00:33 Shara Megaf: No stick is long enough :) 00:34 Megaf https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=886367 00:34 Megaf !title 00:34 MinetestBot Megaf: #886367 - intel-microcode: coming updates for meltdown/spectre - Debian Bug report logs 00:34 Megaf Shara: in my server we have stone sticks 00:34 Megaf so, they hurt more 00:34 Megaf if needed for self defence 00:34 Megaf defense 00:35 sofar Xen = VT 00:35 lumberJ Megaf now we just need a killerB 00:37 rubenwardy > stone sticks 00:37 rubenwardy > STONE sticks 00:38 Megaf rubenwardy: you stonned? 00:38 Megaf broh 00:38 * Megaf runs 00:38 rubenwardy what even is a stone stick supposed to be? 00:39 Megaf rubenwardy: it's just like a normal stick, but made from cobble, isntead of planks 00:40 Megaf so when you are mining, if you run out of wood to make planks to make tools, you can use your cobble 00:40 Megaf Not sure if this mod still active tho 00:41 rubenwardy so you just take some stone and squash it into a stick? 00:41 Megaf https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10849 00:41 rubenwardy sounds impractical 00:41 Megaf !title 00:41 MinetestBot Megaf: Quality Assurance measures - Minetest Forums 00:41 rubenwardy surely it would fall apart 00:41 Megaf rubenwardy: It's not active anymore 00:41 Megaf I agreee 00:41 Shara Tool with cobble handle... 00:42 Shara Hit something with tool... 00:42 Shara Handle breaks? 00:42 Megaf https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9682 00:42 Megaf !title 00:42 MinetestBot Megaf: Base issues and missing features - Minetest Forums 00:42 Megaf many nice topics 00:42 Megaf rubenwardy is in all of them 00:44 Megaf https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12494 00:44 Megaf !title 00:44 MinetestBot Megaf: Minetest UI en menu look - Minetest Forums 00:44 Megaf rubenwardy: you are not htere ^ 00:45 rubenwardy heh, had nothing to add I guess 00:45 rubenwardy remember that topic though 00:46 rubenwardy Kenney is cool, I use his resources for one of my (non-MT) games 00:46 rubenwardy it is very sad indeed that we couldn't keep him 00:48 Calinou He was not always a good citizen. But he was an artist! And as all artists, he shall not be forgiven. 01:03 celeron55 https://hackernoon.com/im-harvesting-credit-card-numbers-and-passwords-from-your-site-here-s-how-9a8cb347c5b5 01:04 celeron55 how 'bout some web security 01:07 sofar node == death 01:08 sofar (Using this method, I took over Trump’s Twitter account and started sending out all sorts of weird shit. As yet no one has noticed.) 01:08 sofar LMAO 01:10 rubenwardy I like report-uri.com, it requires 16+ character passwords 01:10 Fixer wat? 01:10 redblade7 hi 01:12 red-001 sofar, holy shit you weren't kidding, how did anyone not notice you got the presidents account? 01:12 sofar that was a quote of the linked article 01:12 celeron55 node.js is actually fine 01:13 celeron55 it's npm that isn't 01:13 red-001 oh I thought it was an orginal joke 01:13 sofar I just avoid any external JS libs 01:13 sofar for what I need, I can just write the small bits I need 01:14 celeron55 you also have to avoid any other external libs, be it any language and server or client side, if there's any way they could inject a script in the output 01:14 celeron55 if you can't trust them 01:14 rubenwardy the only JS on my site I haven't looked through is jQuery and Bootstrap 01:15 celeron55 shouldn't really be news to anyone, but... it is 01:15 Fixer but web monkeys like external libs... 01:15 Fixer have a nice sleep and a great npm-apocalypsis 01:15 sofar I don't even have jquery 01:16 sofar no need 01:16 celeron55 php's composer is probably prone to this also 01:16 celeron55 and whatever the other languages use these days 01:16 celeron55 pip 01:16 celeron55 gem 01:16 sofar luarocks 01:20 celeron55 if the thing allows recursive dependencies, it's kind of unusable 01:21 celeron55 if it doesn't, then you could specify a hash of the package of the dependency and be fine 01:22 celeron55 i think you can't enforce that with anything, i think even rust's cargo will happily mess you up if the package you depend on by commit hash happens to depend on something without a hash 01:24 celeron55 no way to put it other than just don't use them 01:24 celeron55 and then, the next thing you do will probably be installing something using one of them 01:25 celeron55 this stuff is so messed up it's unthinkable 01:32 rubenwardy lol 01:32 rubenwardy already getting issues 01:32 rubenwardy (using report only mode) 01:32 rubenwardy apparently my home page includes a data:image/png, but I can't see this in my source 01:50 celeron55 rubenwardy: nice malware you've got there 01:50 rubenwardy lol 01:51 rubenwardy probably jquery 01:51 rubenwardy right??? 01:52 celeron55 i don't see what's bad in a data:image/png though 01:52 celeron55 seems like the safest thing to exist on a page 01:52 rubenwardy you have to explicitly allow it 01:53 rubenwardy it's just odd 01:54 celeron55 just an incentive for people to use * 01:54 celeron55 so jquery can add some malware in the future 01:55 rubenwardy CSP doesn't work with adsense 01:55 rubenwardy as it has like 1000s of sites 01:55 celeron55 :D 01:55 celeron55 the web never ends 01:56 celeron55 put your ads in an iframe 01:59 celeron55 imagine if actual ATM machines were programmed in javascript 01:59 celeron55 wait, it's 2018; they probably are 01:59 celeron55 also, java has like 5 package managers 02:00 celeron55 so there's that for some banking fun 02:02 Megaf javascript is fine too 02:02 Megaf you can't blame a language for being insecure... 02:03 Megaf you can blame the guy who made the lib or people for using npm 02:05 celeron55 of course, but there are implications 02:06 Megaf I personally refuse to use anything that is based/needs either node.js or npm. Simply because I always thought they are huge security risk 02:07 Megaf same reason I don't use PPAs, only official debian repos 02:08 celeron55 it will be interesting to see how people cope with this 02:08 celeron55 my guess is, there's too much convenience to be lost so practically nobody does anything 02:10 celeron55 it probably isn't impossible to sneak malware into official debian packages either 02:11 Megaf very difficult to get on the main repo tho, easier on contrib I recon, but very hard in main 02:11 Megaf stable/main that is 02:12 celeron55 you'd have to go through their dependency trees, but yeah, possibly 02:12 Megaf it has to go first to experimental, get tested, then unstable, more testing, then testing, more testing, then stable. Unless they just hack and replace a package with malwhere 02:12 Megaf though there are checks like md5sums and so on performed every apt-get operation 02:12 celeron55 testing won't reveal malware 02:13 Megaf code revision will 02:13 Megaf you could always send a closed source malware firmware to the Linux tree tho 02:13 Megaf then you an get in firmware-linux-nonfree package... 02:14 Megaf if you have non-free repo enabled 02:14 celeron55 if there is a complete code review for every update of every package, then yes, it's difficult 02:14 celeron55 seems like something nobody has resources for, though 02:15 rubenwardy well, ladies and gentlemen, this is why you don't test on a live server: https://status.rubenwardy.com/ 02:15 Megaf rubenwardy: blank page without JS 02:16 rubenwardy I don't care 02:16 rubenwardy it's an external service 02:16 rubenwardy uptimerobot.com 02:16 Megaf I noticed 02:16 Megaf anyway, what happened to you web servers? 02:17 Megaf your* 02:19 * Megaf grabs a bottle of wine 02:19 rubenwardy ...and green 02:19 * rubenwardy sighs 02:19 * Megaf pours wine in a medieval bulgarian metal glass 02:20 rubenwardy muh uptime :'( 02:20 Shara Why bulgarian? 02:21 Megaf it was bought there 02:21 Shara And it's not a glass if it's metal :P 02:21 Megaf English... 02:21 Shara :D 02:21 Shara Sorry, but I couldn't resist 02:22 Megaf I did the same joke to myself, mentally 02:22 benrob0329 *poof* 02:22 Megaf wb benrob0329 02:22 Shara hi benrob0329 02:22 * benrob0329 thinks about moving to Gitlab 02:22 benrob0329 open source for open source ftw 02:23 * Megaf uses self hosted Git 02:23 Megaf (open to the public) 02:23 Megaf git.megaf.info 02:23 benrob0329 Gitlab even has static page hosting, so my website can move as well 02:23 rubenwardy for future reference: https://i.rubenwardy.com/Hd6SuRXZYv.png 02:23 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/sIPGZxMyj5.png 02:24 rubenwardy at least the notifications work 02:30 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOl7P6fgZsA 02:30 Megaf !title 02:30 MinetestBot Megaf: Should You Pee On A Jellyfish Sting? Debunked - YouTube 02:45 * Sokomine hands megaf a sunbathing squid so that he has a sea creature to enjoy 02:48 * benrob0329 moves website to gitlab 02:54 Megaf Oo 02:54 Megaf I dont know what to make of that Sokomine 02:55 benrob0329 rubenwardy: gitlab pages supports ssl and you can use CI integration to deploy site generators 02:56 rubenwardy oh nice 02:56 rubenwardy issue is I already have a massively complicated nginx config for my site 02:56 rubenwardy well, a bunch of redirects 02:56 rubenwardy but good to know 02:58 benrob0329 rubenwardy: I'm considering writing a small lua script for site generation 02:58 rubenwardy as in HTML generation? 02:58 rubenwardy like a static site generator? 03:00 benrob0329 rubenwardy: yes 03:00 rubenwardy nice 03:00 benrob0329 considering, would need to learn gilab's CI better 03:00 tumeninodes an honest internet provider. (caution language) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JucFpDhuF98 03:03 tumeninodes sofar, North America was a flop, will try again another day. Not sure what went wrong but, a much smaller map worked perfectly as usual 03:18 Megaf I like his shirt 03:19 rubenwardy nice 03:20 tumeninodes heh.... rant 03:23 tumeninodes I see about 50 shades of shadiness just in the background :P 03:23 benrob0329 heh 03:26 tumeninodes I like afterstep more 03:27 rubenwardy !g afterstep 03:27 rubenwardy g afterstep 03:27 rubenwardy ~g afterstep 03:27 ShadowBot rubenwardy: AfterStep - Welcome to the Official AfterStep website - Site dedicated to Development of the AfterStep Window Manager. Includes HTMLized sources, daily activity log, and TODOs. , AfterStep - Wikipedia - AfterStep is a stacking window manager for the X Window System. The goal of AfterStep's development is to provide for flexibility (6 more messages) 03:28 tumeninodes what the???? 03:30 benrob0329 tumeninodes: but AwesomeWM uses Lua :PP 03:32 Megaf is this page working for you? http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2014-02-27/ 03:33 rubenwardy http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2014-02-27 03:33 Megaf lol, it works if I remove the last / 03:33 Megaf lol 03:33 rubenwardy sfan5, would be good to 300/301 ^ 03:33 rubenwardy wait 03:33 rubenwardy *301/302 03:34 tumeninodes benrop, I actually did not know that 03:34 tumeninodes rop? *rob 03:35 tumeninodes I am sure Awesome has been worked on recently as well... which sadly afterstep probably has not 03:36 benrob0329 tumeninodes: feel free to take a look at my dotfiles if you want, I've fixed the formatting in my rc.lua :PP 03:37 benrob0329 I'll push the tardis mod onto gitlab for beta, once it's ready 03:38 tumeninodes nice 03:59 rubenwardy yay, can confirm 03:59 rubenwardy > not HTTPS 03:59 rubenwardy :'( 03:59 rubenwardy not sure why it's so hard for github etc 03:59 rubenwardy other sites can manage getting letsencrypt certs for sites 04:00 rubenwardy eg, uptimerobot status.rubenwardy.com 04:00 tumeninodes poke Linus 04:00 benrob0329 rubenwardy: I'd need to generate a cert manually 04:01 benrob0329 don't feel like doing that much work right now :P 04:01 rubenwardy oh, so it supports it if you provide 04:01 rubenwardy +it 04:01 rubenwardy no auto-renew sucks 04:01 benrob0329 but for free hosting with CI integration over git.. 04:01 benrob0329 and you might be able to renew with CI 04:11 benrob0329 bbl 06:34 * benrob0329 looks around 08:30 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=19313 08:33 sofar actually 08:33 sofar https://mt2fa.foo-projects.org/ 08:37 nerzhul sofar, it's nice but not for a distributed thing like MT, it's good for a centralized game 08:37 sofar I disagree 08:38 sofar it'll be great for players to be able to recover their passwords if they forget 08:38 nerzhul majority of our players are andriod, is the thing optional or mandatory for everyplayer on a server 08:38 sofar you didn't read 08:38 sofar shoo 08:38 sofar go read first 08:38 nerzhul sofar, it should be embedded in core then :p 08:38 sofar read first, then think, then discuss 08:38 sofar you didn't do the first 2 parts 08:39 sofar you can certainly do stuff like it in core 08:39 sofar anything is possible, really 08:40 sofar as I said earlier, nobody stops you from writing a "log in with facebook" button 08:40 sofar and no, this isn't intended for android players 08:40 sofar this is something for server owners first 08:41 sofar anyway, you know how I work - concept - design - implementation - rapid prototype - show & discuss - learn - revise & review -> the future! 08:42 sofar https://media.nngroup.com/media/editor/2016/07/29/designthinking_illustration_final-01-01.png 09:04 nerzhul sofar, it's a very good idea, i just said i don't know if it correctly applies to MT users 09:05 nerzhul in which language did you do this ? golang ? 09:05 sofar yes 09:05 sofar I'll post code tomorrow (mod/service) 09:05 sofar it's past my bedtime :) 09:10 nerzhul i like golang too :) 09:10 nerzhul i have an IRC/Slack/Command bot in microservice architecture mode with rabbitmq in golang, it's blazing fast to code and maintain 09:17 * sofar teeters out 10:04 nore hmmmmm, the mods/ page of minetest-mods.github.io is outdated, again 10:05 nore should we reopen https://github.com/minetest-mods/minetest-mods.github.io/issues/48 ? 11:33 shivajiva hehe I'm amused that without any source rnd thinks sofar may roll his own encryption and leave his own work vulnerable :) 12:12 Fixer this whole js thing is waiting for disaster 12:12 Fixer or even security disaster 12:25 red-001 > doesn't post source 12:25 red-001 > untill I see the source 12:34 Fixer btw, hi 12:37 Fixer i've noticed some sites have really crappy js, that loads the page but then suddenly says xxxx xxx, erases everything back and demand js enabled, what a pricks 12:37 Calinou rubenwardy: GitHub Pages provides HTTPS, but only if not using a custom domain 12:37 Calinou if you use a custom domain, you cannot use trusted HTTPS on that domain, not even if you buy a certificatre 12:37 Calinou certificate* 12:37 Calinou (or use Let's Encrypt) 12:43 Fixer awkwardly, we have Christmas right now (it is old calendar thing) 13:06 red-001 https://github.com/alphagov 13:24 Megaf Good morning 13:58 lisac Merry Christmas everyone! 14:03 Krock Merry Christmas, weird calendar 14:06 Megaf oh yeah, it's today 14:06 Megaf Merry Christmas lisac 14:10 lisac :P 14:10 lisac thanks Megaf, Krock 14:10 Calinou hi :) 14:11 Calinou merry Christmas lisac 14:11 Fixer still funny 14:11 lisac hey Calinou, thanks :P 14:12 Fixer 13 day diff, celebrating of the same thing 14:14 Fixer damn, installed avast, boot time increased back to unacceptable :/ 14:16 lisac Fixer: what would you need an AV for? 14:16 Fixer wincrap 14:16 Fixer just testing some AVs 14:16 Raven262 Merry Christmas everyone, again. 14:16 Fixer now trying avira 14:16 Fixer you too 14:16 lisac unless you download stuff from crap sites and have all your ports open, I doubt you really need it 14:16 Raven262 ^ 14:16 Raven262 Lisac never got a virus this way. 14:16 Fixer i agree 14:16 lisac Raven, for example, does need it 14:16 Raven262 Yeah. 14:17 lisac he's a very trusting person 14:17 Raven262 And I use Avast, boot time is long, as you noticed on your device :P 14:17 lisac also, wanna check out my app, raven? http://the-actual-adware/download-now.exe 14:17 Raven262 I would click that link, I'm on linux. 14:18 lisac :P 14:18 lisac and fuck up your wine install 14:18 Raven262 Was hoping it was real though. 14:18 Raven262 Nah, too many wine versions and prefixes to destroy them all. 14:18 Raven262 (at once) 14:20 Fixer avira.systray.exe - 136 mb, holy crap 14:21 Raven262 For some reason, I got an impression that Avira is crap overall. But I have been using it a long time ago, on a very weak system. 15:18 Megaf https://an-actual-mallware.computer/wine_killer.exe 15:18 Megaf Don't click it! 15:23 red-001 1. way to get people to click 15:23 red-001 DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN 15:52 rubenwardy just don't use windows 15:57 Lord_Buckethead Hi 15:57 Lord_Buckethead * Lushnjaa has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 15:58 Lord_Buckethead I find this strangly annoying 16:16 rubenwardy yeah 16:16 rubenwardy Hi 16:16 rubenwardy ANYONE HERE???????? 16:16 Shara Oh, "hi" is fine 16:16 rubenwardy * User has quit 16:16 Shara What I don't like is 16:16 Shara User: Shara 16:16 Shara User: Shara 16:16 Shara Me: What do you want? 16:16 Shara User: Shara 16:17 Shara Me: Yes? 16:17 Shara User: SHARA!!! 16:17 Shara Then.. they quit 16:17 rubenwardy BRB, making a bot to automate that 16:17 Shara :D 16:17 Shara I get at least one of these every day 16:18 rubenwardy It would be so easy to SDoS a server 16:18 Shara Baaad rubenwardy 16:18 Shara :) 16:18 rubenwardy spamming is harder as you'd need to implement most of the hand shake protocol 16:20 Shara I simply suspect all those of us who run servers must be insane. 16:20 rubenwardy I'm not insane 16:20 rubenwardy I simply neglect my server 16:20 VanessaE no' we're just a little nuts, Shara 16:20 Shara Ruben, you are a developer here. 16:21 Shara You are definitely insane 16:21 rubenwardy ah, true 16:21 VanessaE haha 16:21 Shara VanessaE: Any doughnuts on offer with those nuts? 16:21 VanessaE nope 16:21 VanessaE all out 16:21 Shara :( 16:21 Lord_Buckethead Shara, just seems a kinda pointless to open a pm window just for that 16:22 rubenwardy I honestly stresses me a little that doughnuts is doughnuts not doughnoughts 16:22 Shara Buckethead, since I am not the one who opens them, well, yes? 16:22 VanessaE rubenwardy: and we spell them "donuts" here :P 16:22 * rubenwardy cringes 16:23 Shara :D 16:23 Lord_Buckethead dunuts 16:24 Shara Don't know. We don't want rubenwardy to drop dead on us 16:25 VanessaE he's already having convulsions 16:26 VanessaE he must be thinking of all the other Americanized short forms 16:26 VanessaE see? 16:26 Lord_Buckethead well I guess we list that as "Operator Error"? 16:27 VanessaE rheh 16:27 VanessaE heh 16:27 VanessaE like drive-thru :) 16:35 IhrFussel Does format return a string or INT if I give it an INT as argument? 16:36 IhrFussel local avglag = ("%.3f"):format(lastval) << 16:39 rubenwardy string 16:39 rubenwardy format is always a string 16:40 rubenwardy that format means that I'll make a string with lastval written as a decimal to 3DP 16:40 rubenwardy so if lastval is 5, it'll return "5.000" 16:40 rubenwardy I think 16:41 rubenwardy for an integer, you can use %d. However, you might as well use string concatenation in that case 16:42 IhrFussel I just need to use the result in an if statement so I wasn't sure if I should do if avglag == "blah" or just if avglag == blah 16:43 IhrFussel If it's a string I wonder why print(avglag+1) works ... is lua like Bash and also accepts a string for math functions? 16:44 rubenwardy probably implicitly casts to a number 16:47 IhrFussel Makes sense thanks^^ 16:47 Lord_Buckethead ｔｙｐｅ　ｃｏｅｒｃｉｏｎ 16:52 VanessaE rubenwardy: it does, but only if the string is a simple number. if avglag were itself an expression, it'll become 0 I believe. 16:52 rubenwardy you can't store expressions 16:52 rubenwardy expressions are evaluated on assignment 16:52 VanessaE nono 16:53 VanessaE if avglag were a string storing an expression 16:59 Sokomine Shara: oh yes. i know that strange behaviour from servers as well. wonder why they don't manage to say what they really want. perhaps extremly young? 3-4 years old or so? 16:59 Shara No idea 17:00 Shara I've even had it on servers where I don't actively help out and just happen to be in the IRC channel or similar in the past 17:01 Shara And it's been PMs, or in game private messages, as well as just on server chat 17:02 Shara Of course, in the future I'm always going to assume it's rubenwardy being silly :) 17:02 Sokomine Shara: strange. but not uniq at all 17:02 rubenwardy huh 17:02 rubenwardy que 17:02 Shara :D 17:02 rubenwardy Je ne comprez pa 17:02 Sokomine perhaps the aliveai npc escaped onto your server 17:02 rubenwardy *pas 17:03 Sokomine rubenwardy: you remind me of something. now that i've added localization to travelnets - some other languages would be good. perhaps french and portugese 17:04 rubenwardy it would be great to have a rosetta code for server rules 17:04 Sokomine that, too. most larger servers go by adding signs in diffrent languages 17:04 Shara RC has a library with books that list rule sin multiple languages, but the signs only have the two official languages 17:04 Shara rules in* 17:04 rubenwardy yeah, just means that they can do that 17:05 Shara It's dificult to make something an official server language unless I at least partly speak it 17:05 Shara And too many signs in one place isnt always good 17:06 Sokomine probably no point in official server language at all unless the majority of players speak both 17:07 Sokomine i've wished for such a rosetta stone/library for more languages for some time as well. it might also be used in the server menu where people might choose according to what the rules say. pvp-related rules, griefing rules, language related things (directly and indirectly), youtube recording and the like 17:09 Shara Well, I've had a lot of german language speakers at various points, though I seem to have lost them for the moment 17:10 Shara One of my admins more or less learned at least basic/conversational german just to be able to speak to them 17:10 rubenwardy my top languages are: English, French, Russian, Spanish, Italian 17:11 Lord_Buckethead Shara, thats some dedication 17:12 Shara Yes. 17:13 rubenwardy needs a pay raise 17:13 Krock needs a praise 17:14 benrob0329 My top languages are: English, Lua 17:14 Lord_Buckethead "Minetest moderator gets a pay raise, human rights activists praise the move" 17:14 benrob0329 Lol 17:15 Krock HTML is my favourite programming language and England is my city 17:16 * Lord_Buckethead presses that big red button 17:16 benrob0329 Lord_Buckethead: but someone would complain that all moderators should get a pay raise, or none should get one 17:20 rubenwardy reminds me of why we'll never get paid developers 17:26 * Sokomine hands Lord_Buckethead a mese crystal fragment as pay raise 17:26 Sokomine (on a creative server) 17:33 Sokomine sadly there isn't more. you have to build your own reward - no matter on which level :-) 17:37 Shara And server owners pay instead of get paid :) 17:38 IhrFussel Someone joins my server and acts like a drama queen "nobody wants to join my server" ... somebody else asked what the server name is "it's not on the server list" ... like really? 17:39 Shara Heh. 17:40 IhrFussel What a surprise that nobody wants to type down an IP and port number instead of choosing from the server list (not) 17:41 IhrFussel Especially when copy+paste is broken (at least on Ubuntu) 17:41 Lord_Buckethead IhrFussel, maybe it was OC after getting blacklisted 17:43 VanessaE haha 17:44 benrob0329 Someone made a patch for MTG so that ingots are in groups 17:44 benrob0329 That way you don't have to depend on Default's ingots, but rather whatever equivalent exists 17:45 benrob0329 sofar, paramat is he was here, would this be wanted? 17:45 benrob0329 Before I adopt it since she doesnt have a Github account 17:47 IhrFussel Umm... ~ 1 hour ago I had some random name player say "MINECRAFT" in the chat and just now another random name player said the same... not sure if those are really humans o.o 17:48 benrob0329 rubenwardy: are you an MTG dev? I can't remember anymore... 17:48 Lord_Buckethead IhrFussel, whats with the two servers? 17:49 Shara benrob0329: just check credits tab in game? :P 17:49 Lord_Buckethead we don't split the credits between game and non-gamew 17:50 Shara ahh, missed MTG part sorry 17:50 Shara but he is 17:50 * Lord_Buckethead remebers all the controversy about the credits 17:52 IhrFussel False alarm...it's the same IP, just 2 different apps I guess... The fact that many clone apps just give them random names is so confusing ... Lord_Buckethead, not sure what you mean regarding "servers" 17:52 Lord_Buckethead two servers are on the server list with your name on them 17:52 Lord_Buckethead old and 2018 17:52 Shara Well, it would be nice if https://www.minetest.net/credits/ matched what the credits tab in game says too 17:53 Lord_Buckethead well a github commentator said the repo is dead so I guess it can't happen 17:53 Shara dead? 17:53 rubenwardy what repo? 17:53 IhrFussel The (Old) one just tells the players that we moved to a new IP on connect 17:54 rubenwardy you shouldn't announce the old one 17:54 rubenwardy if you still are 17:56 IhrFussel True I could remove it from the list at least 17:57 rubenwardy also, anyone that has patreon should consider liberapay 17:57 rubenwardy no fees, and FOSS 17:57 Lord_Buckethead rubenwardy, I was refering to web#110 17:57 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/110 -- Does anyone care about this webpage at all? 17:58 benrob0329 Librepay 👌 17:58 rubenwardy everyone that complains about the website obviously doesn't care enough either 17:59 Megaf 1474560 bytes (1.5 MB, 1.4 MiB) copied, 125.177 s, 11.8 kB/s 17:59 IhrFussel Fixed 17:59 Megaf cant believe we all sued floppies and for us it was just normal its speed 18:00 rubenwardy *sold? 18:02 IhrFussel Megaf, I recently watched an old German ad about internet ... it's about a seller and a customer seller: "get now up to 64,000 bit/s" customer: "how fast is that" seller: "*turns head from left to right and says* wooooosh" customer: "*smiles*" 18:02 Megaf hah 18:03 Megaf and now Im loading a whole OS from teh flooppy 18:03 Megaf done, loaded 18:04 VanessaE that's why we were okay with them :) 18:05 IhrFussel Guys was that just a German thing or did they sing WAYYYY more in ads between 1980-1995 ? 18:06 VanessaE maybe they were glacial compared to today, but the programs were so small that it didn't matter too much, and if your system was any good, there were shortcuts the software could take to make the load times seem particularly short 18:06 VanessaE IhrFussel: they did. 18:06 VanessaE jingles, we call 'em here 18:07 IhrFussel I wonder what caused that to change then... maybe just different generation? 18:07 VanessaE hard to say 18:07 VanessaE costs most likely 18:08 Megaf I remember installing Windows 3.11 with its all 7 floppys, 9 in total for optional packages 18:08 VanessaE IhrFussel: surely it's cheaper to make an ad with instrumental music, maybe even some prepackaged song like some 50's or 60's "oldies" pop song, than it is to pay a professional singer to record a new tune 18:08 Megaf or DOS 4 from its 3 floppies 18:08 Megaf good times 18:09 Megaf things just worked, all you needed was knowing how to set your IRQs 18:09 VanessaE Megaf: or running GEOS directly from two 165k floppies (using two drives) :) 18:10 Megaf hah, that too, though I liked the DOS 4 graphical environment most 18:10 Megaf dont remember the name now 18:10 Megaf it was part of DOS, and you had a mouse 18:10 VanessaE dosshell 18:10 Megaf it was graphical interface 18:10 VanessaE I think 18:10 Megaf dosshel! Yes!@ 18:10 Megaf When I discovered it I just couldnt see any use for Windows 3 anymore 18:10 Megaf since a lot of the apps I was running, and games, were DOS 18:11 Megaf that on a 386 SX with 4 MB of RAM 18:11 Megaf and 40 MB HDD 18:11 VanessaE blah 18:11 Megaf whopping 33 MHz 18:12 VanessaE I'm talking older here - 8 bit era, C64 at 1.0227 MHz, no HDD, 64k of RAM, serial-interfaced single-side floppy :) 18:12 Megaf The oldest thing I used was an Apple II clone 18:12 Megaf with a sngle serial interface 18:12 VanessaE same era. 18:12 Megaf maybe I could connect a cassete to it 18:13 Megaf but they were too expensive 18:13 VanessaE basically equivalent in CPU power anyway 18:13 Megaf so I would just boot it up, write some basic, run it, then all was lost when shutting down 18:13 Megaf amazing times 18:13 Megaf :P 18:16 shivajiva lol first computer I ever got my hands on was a ZX80 1KB ram, 4KB ROM 18:16 shivajiva £80 self build 18:17 Megaf hah 18:18 shivajiva oh and a Commodore Pet in school for CS 18:18 Megaf first ever computer I touched was a MSX type 18:18 Megaf in school :) 18:18 Megaf the 386 was a neighbours comuter 18:18 shivajiva Konami cartridges....menesis :) 18:18 shivajiva *nemesis 18:19 Megaf thinking about trying this out http://www.linfo.org/mulinux.html 18:19 shivajiva Atari ST was a long way forward from those days 18:20 VanessaE shivajiva: my first was a Timex-Sinclair 1000, basically a ZX81 with 2k 18:21 shivajiva heh nice, twice the memory lol 18:21 shivajiva I kept my zx81 and spectrum for some reason 18:22 VanessaE I had the 16k RAM expansion for it :) 18:22 shivajiva wow and a joystick no doubt :) 18:23 shivajiva the ram epansion had a pass thru didn't it? 18:23 VanessaE nope, and nope 18:23 shivajiva what am I thinking of with a pass thru? 18:23 VanessaE idk 18:24 VanessaE TS1000 didn't support joysticks, at least not in its base state 18:24 shivajiva maybe it was the Kensington joystick interface 18:24 VanessaE could be 18:26 shivajiva I have to say I preferred the 6502 cpu to the Z80 back in the day 18:27 shivajiva video memory was weird on the sinclair offerings 18:28 shivajiva split across 2 pages as I recall 18:28 shivajiva upper and lower screen...nasty 18:30 VanessaE I never really learned to code until I got a C64 in 1986 18:31 shivajiva you didn't miss much :D 18:39 rubenwardy any good weather mods? 18:39 Shara snowdrift seems to be the best around 18:39 Shara Please let me know if you find a better one 18:39 IhrFussel Did the alpha textures bug always exist? (disappearing layers when you look at them from a certain angle) 18:39 rubenwardy got that, any more? 18:39 Shara What are you aiming for? 18:40 * Shara needs to make a weather mod at some point.... and is scared of this 18:40 rubenwardy minetest.net/customize 18:40 rubenwardy I have space for one more mod in "environment" 18:41 IhrFussel !mod weather_pack 18:41 MinetestBot IhrFussel: weather_pack 0.3 by xeranas - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14539 18:41 Shara sofar's lightning mod? 18:41 IhrFussel I use that one 18:41 rubenwardy got that 18:41 rubenwardy will check out weather pack 18:42 IhrFussel weather_pack is basically an API...you can easily add more weather types 18:42 Shara It's hard to suggest things without knowing what you have yet :P 18:42 Shara Fussel, hmm, how easy? 18:42 rubenwardy will make a PR soon, heh 18:43 Shara I need a weather mod for a subgame, but I've been thinking of using snowdrift as a base for it so far 18:44 Shara Why does coloured clay on that page point to the topic of some guy who just randomly forked Ten's mod? 18:45 rubenwardy err 18:45 rubenwardy https://rubenwardy.com/minetest.github.io/customize/ 18:45 Shara He literall yjust changed Ten's recipe, then he gets recommended on the official page instead of Ten's version? :D 18:45 rubenwardy CSS doesn't work for some reason 18:45 IhrFussel Well it#s not *that* easy but you could simply copy rain.lua and just replace it with what you want to play/display/happen 18:46 rubenwardy baked clay is a silly name 18:46 rubenwardy baked clay is pottery 18:46 rubenwardy not colored clay 18:46 Shara It's still totally unfair to recommend a fork of the mod and not the actual mod 18:46 rubenwardy yeah, already changed 18:46 Shara Thank you 18:46 rubenwardy also it kind make sense are you harden the clat 18:46 rubenwardy *clay 18:48 Shara For mapgen, maybe adding one of the space mods would be good? There are a fair few 18:48 rubenwardy it's all nicely lines up though 18:48 Shara Okay, just an idea 18:48 rubenwardy all the lists have the same number of items 18:48 rubenwardy hmmm 18:49 rubenwardy page is supposed to look like this: https://i.rubenwardy.com/DFXvld4NOH.png 18:50 Shara That looks good 18:50 Krock rubenwardy, do you know how the PRs are handled in minetest-mods? To me it looks like authors (previous owners of the repo) may merge/push them any time 18:50 rubenwardy yeah 18:50 Shara Tools and Inventory sections could have more though? 18:50 rubenwardy the previous owner has full control, and can decide 18:51 rubenwardy Shara, yeah, if you have any ideas 18:51 Krock alright, thanks. 18:51 Shara What about tool ranks mod? 18:51 rubenwardy so they can add people and give them access 18:51 rubenwardy oh nice 18:51 Shara Inventory... bags? 18:52 rubenwardy which one? 18:52 Shara That could be worth linking since more space is a commonly wanted thing 18:52 Shara I'd say Ten's one since it's what I use, but I don't know if there is better 18:52 Shara I can't really judge since I only tried that one 18:52 rubenwardy ten's isn't showing up in mod search 18:53 Shara https://github.com/tenplus1/bags 18:53 Shara That's what I use anyway 18:53 Shara apparently it was originally cornernote's mod 18:53 shivajiva https://github.com/bousket/unified_inventory_plus 18:54 rubenwardy he needs a forum topic 18:54 shivajiva small addon 18:54 Shara Could go with this then, but I don't know if it's maintained: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-bags 18:55 Shara But that seems to have been what Ten's mod was based on 18:56 Shara rubenwardy: also you have travelnet twice 18:56 rubenwardy huh 18:56 Shara So you need another for transport 18:56 rubenwardy oh, so I do 18:56 Shara :P 18:56 rubenwardy I know just the mod 18:56 Krock travelnet here travelnet there travelnet everywhere 18:56 rubenwardy well, it's kinda pointless to have one travelnet 18:57 rubenwardy you need to have at least 2 for it to work 18:57 Krock listing it twice makes sense then 18:58 VanessaE unified inventory has bags... 18:58 rubenwardy besides the point 18:58 Shara Other inventories don't. 18:59 VanessaE there's any other kind? :) 18:59 Shara :P 18:59 Shara I was shocked too. 18:59 rubenwardy sfinv master race! 18:59 VanessaE flabbergasted, I tells ya 19:00 rubenwardy UI would be considerably better if you used a nice background and icon set, and fixed the margins 19:00 VanessaE don't look at me, I don't maintain it 19:00 rubenwardy and also the lag in the creative inventory, no sure if that's Minetest's fault 19:00 Krock please not yet another 1024px HD texture :< 19:00 VanessaE the lag is minetest's fault 19:00 * Shara mutters something about slots per page in sfinv creative inventory and then finds a stone to hide under 19:00 VanessaE because pre-rendering is no longer possiblr 19:01 VanessaE e* 19:01 rubenwardy it really shouldn't lag 19:01 rubenwardy like, there's something iffy in minetest there 19:01 VanessaE can't be helped, minetest doesn't generate item/inventory images until you try to use one. 19:02 Shara It's not so much a delay in seeing them that bothers me.. it's the weird flickery effect 19:02 rubenwardy yeah, that 19:02 IhrFussel VanessaE, that would explain why some clients crash right after they open the inventory 19:02 VanessaE remember we had a feature at one time, I forget what it was called, that pre-renders all item/inv images at startup 19:02 rubenwardy if the icons took a while to appear, that would be fine 19:02 Shara Like it quickly switches between two pages loads of times 19:02 rubenwardy but the whole inventory flashes 19:02 VanessaE the flickering is also MT's fault 19:02 VanessaE it misuses irrlicht 19:02 Shara I've noticed inv plus now does it as well sometimes 19:03 Sokomine Shara: there was a server for a short time that had seasons and extensive weather. i don't remember exactly which mods it used. has been a while now 19:03 VanessaE every inventory mod that has large pages will do it. 19:03 Shara Is there any way to make the images show up a few at a time with short delays between them in order to prevent it? 19:04 VanessaE especially if you use a high-rez texture pack 19:04 Shara Like show half, tiny delay, then other half 19:04 VanessaE Shara: engine changes 19:04 Shara Guuuh MT really 19:04 Sokomine colored clay in whatever variant ought to use hardware coloring anyway. that works pretty fine so far 19:04 Shara The larger inv pages are a necccessity on my creative server 19:05 VanessaE Sokomine: unified bricks mod 19:05 Shara But it drives me mad 19:05 rubenwardy I tend to just use the search 19:06 rubenwardy so don't need a larger inv 19:06 Sokomine VanessaE: unified_inventory is indeed very nice. took me some time to get accustomed to it on your server, but now i don't want to miss it anywhere 19:06 Shara To effectively use search you must first know what is likely to be available... and that means looking 19:07 IhrFussel Sokomine, Is this the seasons mod you meant? https://github.com/maikerumine/mt_seasons 19:07 Sokomine rubenwardy: ui doesn't lag for me. other mods do. in general all that requires sending a new formspec from the server does lag to some degree. short click paths are of high value. ui presents most in the initial formspec 19:08 Sokomine VanessaE: ah yes, that flickering. havn't seen that for a long time. i think that's fixed? 19:09 VanessaE not for some people apparently. 19:10 Sokomine VanessaE: hm, does it come with clay as such? afaik it just had those nice brick blocks and clay lumps 19:10 VanessaE for me, there is a brief flicker from page to page 19:10 VanessaE but not consistently 19:10 VanessaE most of the time, I don't see it 19:11 Sokomine IhrFussel: i don't remember. it was a server that run for a few days/weeks. took some time for it to change from summer to winter. days, in effect 19:11 Shara I always wanted to do something with seasons but seems over the top really. 19:12 Sokomine VanessaE: mostly it's annoying to have to wait a tiny period of time for the new page to appear. it's a small delay but noticeable. perhaps your connection and hardware are faster so that it looks like flickering :-) 19:12 Shara Going to have enough work pulling off everything I hope for weather by itself. 19:13 Sokomine Shara: *nod* too many things that can be done. too few time to do all 19:15 rubenwardy well, I am thankful to UI for existing 19:16 rubenwardy persuaded me to write an inv mod with a nice API 19:16 rubenwardy also, https://i.rubenwardy.com/mHEL6Ro91g.png 19:17 rubenwardy web#111 19:17 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/111 -- Update customize page by rubenwardy 19:20 Sokomine :-) 19:22 VanessaE \o/ 19:50 Fixer i'm back 19:50 Fixer doing AV tests, kinda sad 19:51 Fixer boot time increase is ridiculous, up to 1minute 19:55 benrob0329 Why do ShadowBot's messages always ping me? 19:56 benrob0329 Like, I get a notification whenever it posts 19:56 sfan5 because your client is stupid 19:56 sfan5 channels notifications should not ping you 19:56 sfan5 -s 19:56 benrob0329 Most mobile clients are 19:56 rubenwardy doesn't on the ones I use 19:57 rubenwardy channel notices are to stop bots from interferring which each other 19:57 benrob0329 There we go, channel notice notifications turned off 19:58 benrob0329 But before I adopt this patch, any interest in group:steel_ingot? 19:59 benrob0329 And the like 19:59 paramat open an issue to discuss? 20:00 paramat an issue gives us more information 20:01 paramat more people will see it 20:01 Lord_Buckethead benrob0329, I can see the use in it 20:31 benrob0329 paramat: will do, creator does not have a Github account 20:36 rubenwardy https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/949718143387107328/pu/vid/640x360/gzeekTWwXTfI9yEk.mp4 20:46 Fixer hmm, both avira and avast has shitty and confusing UI, both double boot time, avira can't even add rightclick menu item properly, what a cl-ck 20:49 benrob0329 Fixer: Windows comes with antivirus since 8 20:49 Fixer benrob0329: it is even worse 20:50 benrob0329 So you trust MS for your operating system, but not to make it secure? 20:50 benrob0329 🤔 20:51 benrob0329 I think that says more about the state of Windows than I ever could 20:51 Fixer why on earth Intel wrote this fucking IAStorDataMgrSvc in .NET that loads that bloated .NET during startup raping my HDD in the process? it is fucking one window... 21:21 paramat language :) 21:28 Lord_Buckethead sofar, the knowing what server you are login onto issue could be solved by having the server generate a public private key pair and confirming that it has it during login 21:28 Lord_Buckethead would also be useful for server supplied csm and a password manager 21:30 Lord_Buckethead paramat, since this is a breaking release do you think it would be possible to switch to a system were the player is identified by an id and not thier login? 21:38 paramat no idea, i'm no expert on that part of MT 21:39 rubenwardy that won't be possible 21:39 rubenwardy we're not breaking mods 21:39 rubenwardy only networking 21:39 Lord_Buckethead yeah ok 21:39 rubenwardy and worlds with a update script 21:39 rubenwardy well, we're breaking a minimal amount of mods were absolutely necessary 21:39 rubenwardy ie: to fix bugs 21:39 Lord_Buckethead would be pretty close to impossible to do that without breaking mods 21:41 Lord_Buckethead shivajiva, it's rnd what did you expect? 21:42 paramat Lord_Buckethead were you known here by a different username before now? i'm wondering if i'm already familiar with you :) are you LordFingle? 21:43 Lord_Buckethead paramat, /whois 21:43 paramat ok 21:43 Lord_Buckethead shows you I'm logged in as red-001 21:43 paramat lol 21:44 paramat i see 21:44 Lord_Buckethead added the nick to my account shortly after the elections because I couldn't believe no-one took it yet 22:46 aerozoic rubenwardy, which mods? Any big ones? 22:47 rubenwardy player model related 22:47 rubenwardy so stuff like 3D armor 22:47 rubenwardy it's an easy fix though 22:47 aerozoic ok 23:35 * benrob0329 considers switching to the ISC license 23:36 benrob0329 sofar: the "provided that the above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies." Implies the same thing as give credit, even in the binaries, correct? 23:38 sofar I interpret it as "the source code or derivatives" 23:49 benrob0329 sofar: a binary is a source code derivative 23:50 benrob0329 Converted to machine code, but a derivative none the less 23:50 sofar don't care