Time Nick Message 00:00 Calinou https://lut.im/YBOCnGnuVU/YfS9qXCvOqfqPa8t.png 00:00 Calinou yay, got my Xbox One V3 controller working in Bluetooth mode on Linux by following the advice in https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1670662#p1670662 00:01 rubenwardy nice 00:02 rubenwardy I have an Xbox 360 controller, so needed an adapter 00:02 rubenwardy fancy fixing Minetest's controller support? 00:02 rubenwardy ;) 00:02 Calinou heh, no 00:02 rubenwardy lol 00:02 rubenwardy same 00:02 Calinou first-person games are best played with a mouse anyway 00:03 Calinou the only usecase is playing from a couch, when plugging your PC to a TV 00:03 rubenwardy anything close to game.cpp is hella messy 00:03 Calinou but that's a niche usecase for open source games 00:03 rubenwardy and input is partially in game.cpp 00:03 Calinou (your IRL friends probably don't like them :D) 00:03 tumeninodes sofar, oh right. But, if the skybox mod is installed, the media pack could certainly add new images for it? 00:03 rubenwardy Yeah, like steam link 00:03 rubenwardy my plan is to do that as soon as I save up for a TV 00:03 rubenwardy oh, and a laptop that can power 4k 00:03 rubenwardy s/laptop/computer/g 00:04 tumeninodes I simply cannot play games like MC or MTG with a game controller, I am far to used to using mouse/keyboard 00:06 Calinou high-quality software support right here: https://lut.im/lXNfwLwRal/q8ntb4tIsyBfHeqI.png 00:07 Calinou this feels like a website telling you "Unsupported web browser" with a big box even though you're using Firefox 57 00:08 tumeninodes On a down note ha. I just bought my kid Windows 10, because I got him this for Christmas and it does not operate fully on Linux https://www.amazon.com/Huion-GT-190-Graphics-Wide-Angle/dp/B01NA09FKM 00:11 Jordach tumeninodes: you could've bought a decent condition surface pro 2/3 for that kind of money 00:11 * tumeninodes has been unsuccessful in converting the kid to Linux 00:12 tumeninodes Jordach, we were looking at those but, he had his mind set on this device and it is really awesome. Maybe next year for a surface pro 00:12 Jordach tumeninodes: they're great for getting shit done 00:12 Jordach their i5 3xxx in the Pro 1 is perfect for my usage 00:13 Jordach krita does lag just a little with the Pro 1 Wacom pen 00:13 Jordach but that is the OpenGL canvas being the crap part 00:13 Jordach turning it off makes it smooth as butter 00:13 tumeninodes well, when my kid starts getting shit done, he can have one :P 00:14 tumeninodes he won;t give krita a chance he is a fire-alpaca fan atm :/ 00:16 tumeninodes how well does inksacape work on it? inkscape introduces just a bit more lag with each update since around 2009 (on Linux anyway) not sure for Windows 00:17 Jordach windows generally has better APIs for everything 00:17 tumeninodes actually, I have been using inkscape to completely revamp one of my TPs I have been working on 00:17 tumeninodes well, it had better because.... money 00:19 Calinou -*- tumeninodes has been unsuccessful in converting the kid to Linux 00:19 Calinou I converted myself to Linux when I was a kid 00:19 Calinou :-) 00:19 tumeninodes But, I find I get better results using a proper vector software then a photo/raster tool such as gimp, for producing a truly clean TP 00:20 tumeninodes I think he dislikes Linux as part of the rebellious stage :D This is his first Windows OS, we'll see how long before support is called ha 00:21 tumeninodes and I told him "HE" will have to deal with MS support xP 00:22 tumeninodes Linux will rule the world... (once we can get stallman out of the way) j/k... kinda 00:23 tumeninodes Windows is still just so "blah" and bland though, out of the box. They just distract people from that with retro now 00:24 tumeninodes and they sure do love to ehem "borrow" from Linux ui here n there 00:26 tumeninodes Calinou, you have to agree, Linux is still mostly appealing to younger people with an interest in programing. It still has that stigma attached to it, even in now 2018 00:29 tumeninodes I'm hogging up irc... so what can come from this whole "media-pack" idea earlier on this page? Is it a reasonable possibility? Maybe for 0.5.XXXX? 00:33 Fixer crap 00:33 red-001 Jordach, if windows is the one with the good apis, then I don't want to see linux apis 00:33 Jordach red-001: they're generally better for graphical work 00:34 Fixer can't pass doom 2 map17 due to obscurity 00:35 tumeninodes hmmm, I wonder if MAC still holds the torch for graphical software? (it's been so long since OSX 10.2) 00:44 Jordach https://xkcd.com/1357/ 00:48 tumeninodes hehe, I still have it... https://imgur.com/a/3OJHr 00:49 tumeninodes oops, I made the image to large. My first imgur, yay 00:51 tumeninodes 12 hr left for my North America map conversion... /me is suddenly wondering how large that sqlite file is going to be. Maybe I shoulda cropped it 00:52 sofar took my machine 9 days to convert the entire earth by lentebriesje 00:52 tumeninodes wow ha. what is the full map like, 12gb? 00:52 sofar 3.5 I think 00:53 tumeninodes oh, I have no worries then, whew. I am doing his North America map 00:53 sofar 350mb or so, mine turned out about that large 00:54 tumeninodes yes for Canada... this will be America + Canada so I figure double or a bit less 00:54 tumeninodes That's not bad at all 00:54 Fixer America is continent 00:55 sofar canada was less, probably to the large amount of sea 00:55 Fixer there is no such thing as America + Canada 00:55 Fixer Canada is located in North America 00:55 Fixer you are welcome 00:55 tumeninodes I am still extremely grateful for this conversion tool 00:56 tumeninodes Fixer.. North America = The Americas and Canada 00:56 Fixer you mean USA + Canada 00:57 tumeninodes thpltpltpltplt 00:57 tumeninodes ^that's a raspberry 00:58 red-001 hi celeron55 01:00 tumeninodes he's looking at us here, shaking his head 01:09 TotallyNotRed oh btw a pro-tip if the botnet spammers are hitting you with pms and not just channel mass highlight set user mode +R 01:10 tumeninodes thinking of how to word an issue (feature request) for switching to "mediapacks" and where it belongs MTG or Minetest? Unless someone else wants to or plans to make one 01:10 TotallyNotRed minetest 01:10 tumeninodes thanks red devilcake that will be very useful 01:11 TotallyNotRed ahh 01:11 TotallyNotRed well I guess I should change the nick back... 01:12 TotallyNotRed tumeninodes, that's top secret, no-one can know, for all intents and proposes I'm Blue now 01:12 tumeninodes So, minetest it is then, thanks. 01:13 tumeninodes afk to chase of coyotes in trash... sigh... again 01:13 sofar one day I won't LOL about it 01:13 rubenwardy blue-100: should be blue-00f 01:14 blue-100 you are making a good point 01:14 blue-100 but 100 is the reverse of 001 01:21 rubenwardy created https://rubenwardy.com/donate/ and updated https://www.patreon.com/rubenwardy 01:22 rubenwardy although you should probably use this one over mine: https://www.patreon.com/paramat 01:33 tumeninodes well that was a bit unnerving. fun fact, coyote tend to get food aggressive in extra cold conditions but, they can be tamed to an extent :P 01:34 tumeninodes spoiler alert, they love the Xmas ham 01:36 rubenwardy *** FidgetSpinners joined the game 01:36 rubenwardy oh no 01:36 tumeninodes muahahahahaha 01:40 tumeninodes I wonder what ever happened with Captain Chaos? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=16649 02:23 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/7kpMzVPpu7.png 02:23 rubenwardy \o/ 02:23 VanessaE ohhh big commit ;) 02:24 tumeninodes New years resolution.... check 02:24 VanessaE haha 02:24 xerox123_ Heh 02:24 tumeninodes Hi Vanessa 02:24 VanessaE hi 02:25 tumeninodes and..., rubenwardy accomplished that with only 2 pizzas 02:26 VanessaE yeah but how much mountain dew? 02:26 VanessaE ;) 02:26 tumeninodes idk, how much does it take to literally vibrate? 02:26 VanessaE the pizza is just the fuel, you need dew or coffee for the caffeine as a catalyst :) 02:27 tumeninodes oh, perhaps you did not see my consumer tip link? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ovhbT-Iulc 02:30 tumeninodes I hope it makes you laugh ; ) 02:31 tumeninodes potty break. TMI, deal with it 02:33 rubenwardy what did coffee do to hurt him 02:51 tumeninodes coffee never hurt nobody 06:02 benrob0329 this PR makes me sad https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/385 07:17 benrob0329 Ok, why was zoom added instead of a more general fov setter function we've been asking for for years, which would have been used to make better looking binoculars 07:18 benrob0329 And why was a perfectly good visual effect rejected instead of disabled by default 07:18 benrob0329 And why am I getting so fed up with the state of software nowadays 10:56 * Megaf wishes you all an amazing and brilliant 2018! 10:59 sfan5 I think you might be a day late 11:02 Megaf Negative 11:02 Megaf I'm not wishing a happy new year good. I'm wishing the whole thing to be good 11:02 Megaf ;) 12:09 red-F00 oh I got to 199 forum posts, only 57 to the next big number 12:11 shivajiva https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fnakedsecurity.sophos.com%2F2013%2F08%2F06%2Fjust-when-you-thought-it-was-safe-to-go-back-in-the-water-closet%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNF-plvKiV_ipqRd1GDQxPMWLGIY7A 12:12 red-F00 huh didn't expect that to work 13:23 red-F00 🕲 15:00 CWz We need open source TV Shows 15:00 CWz and movies 15:00 CWz and animels that way we can fork one of "god's"/natures lamer creations and make em better 15:01 benrob0329 Changing nature is almost never a good idea... 15:11 Calinou open source cows NOW! 15:29 twoelk sadly a lot of seeds are indeed not anymore but have been copyrighted 15:29 Calinou yeah, I've seen a project related to open source seeds a few years agfo 15:29 Calinou ago* 15:31 twoelk a few years ago they wanted to fade out a popular potatoe type because the copyright was going to run out 15:31 twoelk they rather wanted it to go extinct than it being freely available 15:33 Calinou similar things happened in the software/culture world as well 15:33 Calinou (due to things such as software patents) 15:35 tenplus1 hi folks 15:35 twoelk o/ 15:35 tenplus1 hey twoelk 15:35 twoelk \o 15:36 twoelk o/ 15:36 tenplus1 ehehe, how's things ? 15:36 Calinou hi :) 15:36 tenplus1 hi Cal 15:36 Calinou my PC has been freezing several times lately :( 15:36 Calinou while playing games 15:36 Calinou (audio still plays, video freezes, can't do anything, have to shutdown) 15:36 tenplus1 fedora build playing what games ? 15:37 Calinou various games, native and WINE 15:37 tenplus1 what gfx you got ? 15:37 Calinou GTX 1080 15:37 tenplus1 nvidia's ownbinary blob ? 15:38 * twoelk is trying to clear a stuck printer queue - without having to shut down several terminals and servers 15:38 tenplus1 you ran printers util and flushed it ? 15:39 twoelk FF has been freezing my older windows a lot lately - maikerumine was mentioning some memory leak in latest win10 15:40 twoelk done everything I could without sending everybody home 15:40 tenplus1 you turned on new backend and hardware accel ? 15:42 twoelk sorry was called away :-) 15:43 twoelk guess I have some work after hours today :-/ 15:44 Calinou tenplus1: yeah, binary driver 15:44 tenplus1 in FF's about:config enable 'browser.cache.use_new_backend' = 1 15:44 Calinou (387.34) 15:45 tenplus1 Cal, I had to go back a version for stability :0 15:45 Calinou yeah, that might be why, no idea how I'd rollback the driver 15:45 Calinou (I'm using RPMFusion) 15:45 tenplus1 ohhh, gotcha... rpm repo's arent same as debs 15:46 tenplus1 the 375.82 works nice with wine and gaming :D 15:51 benrob0329 Pale Moon master race :P 15:51 benrob0329 No Mozilla crap 15:51 tenplus1 hi benrob :) 15:51 tenplus1 havent used palemoon in a while, what's differences ? 15:51 Megaf Hi all 15:51 tenplus1 hi Megaf 15:52 Megaf I will just leave my newly created Diaspora user here. https://diasp.eu/people/30013aa0d2000135501a4061862b8e7b 15:52 * Megaf looks at sofar 15:52 benrob0329 tenplus1: its an actual fork, rather than a rebranding of FF 15:53 tenplus1 so uses open-source segments of FF 15:53 Megaf pale moon sucks 15:53 * Megaf runs 15:53 tenplus1 lolol 15:53 benrob0329 And it doesnt come with Mozilla's definitely-for-profit (and spying, it would seen) 15:53 benrob0329 Megaf: you didn't even install a theme! 15:53 Megaf I installed Opera for my grandmother couple of hours ago, je like it 15:54 Megaf she* 15:54 tenplus1 original Opera was better, the new chrome based one sucks 15:54 benrob0329 Eww, proprietary browser 15:54 * rubenwardy has reached 1GB of *compressed* logs on CTF 15:54 tenplus1 am using Chromium with optimizations 15:54 * Megaf deletest his logs afer short while 15:55 benrob0329 I use chromium for WebRTC, thats about it 15:55 rubenwardy cd .. 15:55 benrob0329 Which, to be fair it has the best WebRTC implementation 15:55 rubenwardy <_< 16:02 tenplus1 from what I'm reading pale moon seems to have many issues 16:05 Megaf Indeed it does 16:05 Megaf and so does Minetest 16:05 Megaf so what? 16:05 Megaf :) 16:05 tenplus1 I dont want my daily browser crashing in the middle of something important 16:06 Megaf 102 open issues for Pale Moon 16:06 Megaf Minetest, will not even comment 16:06 tenplus1 lol 16:06 Megaf Tho the ration is quite ok 16:06 rubenwardy it's worth not including feature requests 16:06 rubenwardy and just counting bug reports 16:06 Megaf lets see 16:07 rubenwardy Minetest will pribably still have more 16:07 Megaf 5 bugs open for Pale Moon 16:07 Megaf Minetest, will still not comment 16:08 twoelk there are a lot of rogue sites out there bound to crash your innocent or naive browser 16:08 Megaf Tho Minetest seems to be much larger than Pale Moon community wise 16:09 tenplus1 minetest is more fun :D 16:09 * Megaf likes this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6849#issue-284698437 16:09 twoelk hopefully 16:10 twoelk as in hopefully more fun 16:10 Megaf sofar: rubenwardy: did you see that alreay? ^ #6849 16:11 rubenwardy yeah 16:11 rubenwardy busy though 16:11 Megaf LGTM 16:11 tenplus1 +1 - good idea 16:11 tenplus1 saves a ton of bogus player names with disconnects or bots 16:11 Megaf my thought exactely 16:12 Megaf sfan5: you like the code on #6849 ? 16:12 Megaf concept and execution wise I'm quite happy with it 16:12 sfan5 haven't looked yet 16:14 * twoelk notices another printer with a job queue pointing to data nirvana ---- ?? 16:14 tenplus1 what kinda printer ? 16:14 twoelk this one a brother, the previous an HP 16:15 tenplus1 ahh, the hplip-gui woulda been handy for job control, dunno about brothe tho 16:15 twoelk hm, was away a week and now this 16:16 benrob0329 tenplus1: Pale Moon has never crashed on me 16:16 twoelk duh - did ms do some update to weed out older printers? or those companies that don't pay them enough? 16:17 tenplus1 probably... 16:17 benrob0329 As for Minetest, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/385 16:17 Jordach twoelk: printer probably used TWAIN 16:17 Jordach TWAIN is deprecated 16:17 Jordach (massively) 16:18 tenplus1 it's 2018, you'd think a printer standard would be a thing now 16:18 benrob0329 I think that's all that needs to be said 16:19 Jordach it's $ why does $x not work on $linux_distro 16:19 * twoelk hopefully looks at the two remaining printers chugging away 16:19 tenplus1 bash uses $(date +%F) so must be other codes for year etc 16:20 benrob0329 tenplus1: its called CUPS :^) 16:20 twoelk actually only some of our old scanners use TWAIN iirc 16:20 tenplus1 cups for linux, not mac or winblows 16:20 benrob0329 the Common Unix Printing Service 16:20 twoelk oh and the odd old camera 16:20 benrob0329 tenplus1: CUPS was made by Apple :-) 16:21 tenplus1 is it on iOS ? 16:21 benrob0329 Dunno about iOS, but without checking I can assume it's the default stack on MacOS 16:21 twoelk I wish I had sage or what it was called on windows 16:21 benrob0329 Being made and maintained by Apple under the Apache2 16:22 Megaf we had standard for decates already 16:22 Megaf it's called... 16:22 Megaf I forgot 16:22 tenplus1 lol 16:22 Megaf postfix? something like that 16:22 Megaf postscript? 16:22 benrob0329 PostScript 16:22 twoelk hm should we trademark >I-forgot< ? 16:23 benrob0329 But even PostScript isn't always perfectly standard as to printer features 16:23 benrob0329 So you have cups configuration files that tell it what features/wierdness the printer has 16:23 benrob0329 Standard on all *nix systems 16:24 tenplus1 had to use cups for an old dotmatrix 9-pin at one time :) it made a driver that worked perfectly :D was well impressed 16:24 twoelk and PS isn't always tha same, lots of dialects, though not as much as tiff 16:24 * Megaf being eaten alive by mosquitos 16:25 tenplus1 eat them back 16:25 tenplus1 all that protein 16:25 Megaf around my feet 20 at least 16:25 benrob0329 Lol, eww 16:25 twoelk yeah regain youre proteins 16:25 Megaf 10 per foot 16:25 twoelk oh, cheesy blood? nope not gonna try that 16:26 Megaf deep fried 16:26 Megaf why not 16:26 * benrob0329 hates mosquitos 16:26 * tenplus1 had crickets before, not bad 16:26 twoelk lets see, 10 per foot? that's longer than an inch for each 16:26 Megaf quite a lot i'd say 16:27 Megaf and there's ~5 mosquitoes for each hand too 16:27 benrob0329 23 square mosquitoes 16:27 twoelk didn't freeze much in this winter yet - might be in for a buzzy summer 16:27 Megaf Oh boy, will never leave this channel. channel is too good 16:30 tenplus1 hey Krock 16:30 Krock hi tenplus1 16:30 twoelk o/ 16:31 Krock ^^ 16:31 Krock o/ twoelk 16:31 rubenwardy Megaf: reviewed #6849 :) 16:31 rubenwardy it's a big improvement, and long awaited feature 16:31 rubenwardy well 16:31 rubenwardy heh 16:31 rubenwardy it's a good improvement for quality of life, and has been requested a lot to improve the menu experience 16:32 Jordach link 16:32 tenplus1 Jordach: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6849#issue-284698437 16:33 twoelk has the text been shortened? 16:33 rubenwardy not yet, that needs to be done though 16:34 Megaf I'd review the code and suggest editing tho I was asked to not review code because I'm note core deb 16:34 Megaf dev 16:34 twoelk you could review the wording :-P 16:34 rubenwardy anyone can review code 16:34 * tenplus1 reviews a cup of coffee and a donut 16:35 rubenwardy imo anyone should be able to use the review feature 16:35 rubenwardy and paramat should use the CSS to make it more obvious for him 16:35 rubenwardy however, just giving a tick because you like the feature isn't reviewing 16:35 rubenwardy use the emoji responses instead 16:35 * twoelk is reminded reviews his cup and wanders off to the coffee machine 16:36 twoelk is there a tl;dr button? 16:42 Jordach starting MTG in a jungle 16:42 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/St6Is41.gifv 16:42 tenplus1 hahahaha 17:10 * tenplus1 punches all the wood, and breaks his fingers 17:11 tenplus1 ooh, a proper survival game would be amazing, digging for flint and bones to make tools to cut tree etc :) 17:20 twoelk rl or mt? 17:21 tenplus1 lol, mt :) 17:21 twoelk phew 17:21 tenplus1 already done my scout thing in the woods and jungle survival training... 17:22 twoelk I've done it enough to know to enjoy civilization as much as possible :D 17:22 tenplus1 yeah :) 17:24 twoelk I have a 9y niece who is pretty desperate to have some big adventure --- guess I'll have to volanteer 17:25 twoelk havn't slept in the open for 6or7 years now 17:25 tenplus1 into the woods in search of the rabbit hole 17:26 twoelk she and her brother love running through the woods - just havn't stayed overnight yet 17:26 tenplus1 a decent tent, camping gear and food they like :) 17:27 twoelk I mean sleeping in the woods with all them strange sounds at night 17:27 tenplus1 why? do you fart in your sleep ? 17:27 twoelk lol 17:27 twoelk best way to scare mosquitos away 17:28 tenplus1 ehehehe 17:29 twoelk the last time I tried to sleep in a car with a bunch of kids on board ended in the legoland hotel in billund - too much noise on the parking lot, they just wouldn't sleep until the park opened 17:30 twoelk although they might have been to excited as well :-P 17:30 tenplus1 hahaha, kids :) same with xmas 17:31 twoelk had a great time though 17:31 tenplus1 that's what counts :P 17:33 Fixer Jordach: i'm starting in the tree, usually #paramat 17:33 Jordach jej 17:40 * twoelk imagines a fixer in a paramat tree 18:06 tenplus1 hi evergreen 18:07 Fixer FINEST 18:08 IhrFussel Someone on my server says they only see a gray screen after joining...I thought that bug was fixed in 0.4.16? Server is even 0.4.17 18:10 sfan5 that bug is only fixed if moods coorperate 18:10 sfan5 in other words: you need at least 0.4.16 AND updated mods 18:14 Fixer lel https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=nLSk7PKemu0 18:14 IhrFussel sfan5, what needs to be changed in inventory mods exactly? 18:15 sfan5 dunno, look up it 18:26 tenplus1 hi nerzhul 18:28 nerzhul hi tenplus1 18:29 tenplus1 o/ 18:32 IhrFussel I cannot find anything about a fix for mods, sfinv either never had that issue or the PR name is something entirely different 18:33 rubenwardy wasn't it something to do with detacted inventories? 18:33 rubenwardy I think you need to make sure any attached inventory which are only for a single player are only sent to that single player 18:33 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2958 18:38 IhrFussel So for example local trash = minetest.create_detached_inventory("trash", { -- FUNCTION end, player_name }) ? 18:38 tenplus1 yeh 18:39 rubenwardy local trash = minetest.create_detached_inventory("trash", {}, player_name) 18:39 rubenwardy where you put callbacks in {} 18:46 IhrFussel Does trash need it too? I mean it's the same for all players 18:55 IhrFussel Is that bug caused by a race condition or what? Cause I didn't see it in a looong time 19:15 sfan5 no the trash does not need that 19:19 IhrFussel Okay the only detached inventory missing the player_name parameter was 3d_armor (might be fixed in newer versions, I use an older one cause I modified a lot) 19:22 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19203&p=306640#p306640 19:22 sofar https://github.com/sofar/fsc 19:23 sofar new mod, aimed at making writing secure formspec code simple 19:29 tenplus1 hi Darcidride_ 19:29 Darcidride_ Hi tenplus1 19:29 tenplus1 o. 19:31 sofar *anyone* who writes mods with minetest.show_formspec() should try and use `fsc` if they can, it really helps to break down formspec abuse vectors 19:35 twoelk a working example might be usefull 19:41 sofar the readme has a 90% working example... it's not that hard to stuff it into something 19:41 sofar either I'll post some mods that are converted 19:41 sofar or I'll add an actual example 19:53 Fixer sofar: you mean so bad actors can use fsc to find weak parts in formspecs? :D 19:53 sofar fsc actually makes it really hard to exploit bad fs callbacks 19:54 sofar like, *really* hard 19:55 sofar plus fsc is ... like 90 lines of code? 19:55 sofar 20 of which are the license? 19:57 tenplus1 o/ aerozoic 19:57 aerozoic hi tenplus1 20:02 Fixer holy ----, new STK 0.9.3 can now run on my preancient ATI 20:03 Fixer yayayayayay 20:03 tenplus1 :P 20:03 Fixer fps pretty good 20:03 Fixer my ass is saved until that mining craze dies 20:04 Fixer videocard prices are ridiculously high 20:04 tenplus1 you can get a really good gfx card (nvidia) for 28 quid... 20:04 tenplus1 fanless no less 20:04 Fixer how much in usd? 20:04 Fixer and what is quid? 20:04 tenplus1 38 dollars 20:04 Fixer fanless will probably suck 20:05 tenplus1 nope, huge heatsink :) keeps it cool but no noise for gaming rigs 20:05 benrob0329 Its squid without the s 20:05 Fixer tenplus1: i have damn noise anyway, 2 fans, 1 on cpu and 1 on psu 20:05 Fixer it sucks 20:05 tenplus1 another reason to go fanless, reduce it 20:05 benrob0329 I'd never buy another nvidia card, not unless the open source drivers become reasonable 20:06 sfan5 so never 20:06 benrob0329 sfan5: yeah pretty much 20:06 Fixer tenplus1: on the other hand, summers are very hot, and funless will probably suck, i need performance, though, i need SSD, but it is not mature enough 20:06 Fixer HDD is getting on my nerves 20:06 Fixer more like Win7 on HDD 20:06 tenplus1 ssds are cheap too now 20:07 tenplus1 240gb for 68 quid 20:07 tenplus1 but yeah, nvidia really need to work on opensource drivers more, ati is kicking their ass on that side of things 20:07 Fixer tenplus1: the way they die worries me 20:07 benrob0329 CUDA sucks, business practices suck, proprietary driver sucks 20:07 benrob0329 *click* 20:07 benrob0329 *click* 20:07 tenplus1 fixer: hdd;'s or ssd;s dying ? 20:07 Fixer i play on win anyway for now, not linux hater or anything 20:08 Fixer tenplus1: ssd, one day it just stops responding in bios and you kinda go into window 20:08 Fixer i dislike this 20:08 tenplus1 ssd's are far more reliable than mechanical drives, and the SMART utils will warn you well in advance before it dies 20:08 benrob0329 HDDs stop working 20:09 benrob0329 Actually SSDs have no moving parts, so they theoretically last longer than HDDs 20:09 shivajiva VanessaE: who should I harass about this https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/pull/104 ? 20:09 benrob0329 sofar? 20:10 benrob0329 He runs MT-Mods afaik 20:10 rubenwardy technic isn't mt-mods 20:10 rubenwardy you want VanessaE or ShadowNinja iirc 20:10 VanessaE not me 20:10 tenplus1 o/ Vanessa 20:10 Krock shivajiva, ping nore 20:11 Krock waiting for merge too. https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/pull/99 20:11 rubenwardy VanessaE, it's unified inventory in the technic org 20:11 VanessaE I don't work on unified inventor anymore 20:11 nore I thought technic was merged in mt-mods? 20:11 VanessaE +y 20:11 Krock 404, https://github.com/minetest-mods/unified_inventory not found 20:12 VanessaE sofar: ^^^^ 20:12 nore aaaah, we only transferred technic and not UI 20:12 shivajiva just thought I'd give it a kick and see what happened :) 20:12 benrob0329 Question, why not use sfinv? 20:12 Fixer benrob0329: it is the way they die, i prefer ssd that at least lets me copy its data in read only mode 20:13 VanessaE *kaff* shivajiva you stirred up a bunch of dust :P 20:13 Krock benrob0329, because features 20:13 Fixer really sad technic is not in minetest-mods 20:13 Fixer Sad! 20:13 benrob0329 What features? Button based inventories? 20:13 nore technic is: https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic 20:14 Krock built-in crafting guide and descriptive buttons 20:14 nore the other mods are not 20:14 Krock not to forget the quite large mod support 20:14 shivajiva no offence to ruben but UI has a slickness about it that stands out, even if it's a monolith 20:15 Fixer nore: niiice 20:15 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iomejudoSR0 20:15 Fixer ha https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/issues/402 20:15 rubenwardy UI would be a lot better if it had a non bile-inducing background and icon set 20:15 rubenwardy and consistent spacing 20:15 tenplus1 hehe 20:15 tenplus1 ui is too bloaty and slow for me 20:15 twoelk not sure that's UI's fault 20:15 nore ShadowNinja: what do you think about transferring the other mods of minetest-technic to minetest-mods? 20:16 Fixer what i dislike in UI is how slow is item page rotation 20:16 benrob0329 I like simple things, sfinv is simple and fast, like the name :P 20:16 Fixer you can't scroll like in NEI in MC, instantly, here it just sucks 20:16 nore VanessaE: ping as well 20:16 * VanessaE hides 20:17 benrob0329 The craftguide mod in Mt-mods is really good for that 20:17 shivajiva so basically it's become orphaned from technic :/ 20:17 twoelk UI could be more modular 20:17 ShadowNinja nore: Sounds goood. 20:17 tenplus1 craftguide should be in default or built into inventory somehow 20:17 ShadowNinja good* 20:17 VanessaE nore, fine by me. 20:17 rubenwardy tenplus1, craftguide does that 20:17 red-F00 #6869 talk about confusingly named 20:17 shivajiva yay 20:17 rubenwardy might need an option though, I forget 20:18 rubenwardy I started working on a mod pack which makes sfinv better for hardcore users 20:18 nore sofar: is that okay with you? 20:18 benrob0329 tenplus1: thats not hard, but I kinda like the idea of a reverse craftguide for in-inventory things 20:18 Shara I wouldn't be happy running my creative server with anything over than UI. 20:18 Shara other* 20:18 benrob0329 Tbh I dislike having too many things in the inventory 20:18 rubenwardy ie: helpful buttons (time, home, spawn), bigger inventory, craft guide 20:18 tenplus1 K.I.S.S> 20:18 twoelk if a craftguide was part of default it would need to be easily adapted to other games optical designs 20:19 Shara tenplus1: RC would have WAY too many pages if I switched to any other inventory 20:19 Shara plus I just like how UI works :P 20:19 benrob0329 How hard would it be to make creative give stacks of 99, rather than 100? 20:19 benrob0329 *rather than 1 20:19 rubenwardy too many pages? 20:19 rubenwardy meaning creative 20:19 rubenwardy *? 20:19 Shara Yes 20:19 red-F00 sofar, was planning to write something similar 20:20 Shara RC has crazy numbers of nodes and things 20:20 tenplus1 xdecors craftguide has +/- button to fit more per page 20:20 Shara That's just for recipes though Ten 20:22 benrob0329 tenplus1: thats the same as the one in Mt-mods 20:23 tenplus1 would be nice to have sfinv creative/craftguide in one 20:23 tenplus1 hi Sokomine 20:24 benrob0329 What if you put an item into the output slot of the crafting grid to reverse it? 20:24 benrob0329 Aka decraft 20:25 tenplus1 why reverse it ? 20:25 benrob0329 Crafting guide 20:25 benrob0329 You find the item, then learn how to make it 20:26 benrob0329 And maybe you find recipies in dungeons, recipy books 20:26 tenplus1 :P 20:26 benrob0329 * recipe books 20:26 benrob0329 If you can reverse craft though, maybe you could get the materials back out of it 20:27 twoelk for some games it would indeed be more fitting if the crafting guide had a more book-like appearance 20:27 benrob0329 The Hitchhiker's Guide to Minetest :P 20:27 tenplus1 eheheh, nice 20:28 benrob0329 Ohh, The Gamer's Guide to the Galaxy 20:28 tenplus1 Minetest's guide to the galaxy 20:28 benrob0329 New game project 20:28 benrob0329 Maybe 20:28 twoelk yeah, with personal notes :-D 20:29 * twoelk types too slowww 20:35 tenplus1 with a craftable babel fish for chat translations :D 20:42 Sokomine we even have a fish tank in homedecor. though iirc the fish didn't like it much in a fish tank and preferred its more natural resting place 20:45 sofar on my lunch plate 20:46 Sokomine well...if you where too tired and your head including ear with fish fell on the plate..... 20:46 tenplus1 lol 20:46 tenplus1 nite folks o/ 20:46 sofar btw 20:46 sofar if anyone wants to play with `fsc` and consider converting their mods to use it, let me know 20:46 sofar I'll be willing to help you do it - it's not too difficult for most basic cases 20:47 sofar I've already converted a ton of code to use fsc (for itb) and it is well tested (and simple) 20:48 nore sofar: can I transfer the minetest-technic mods (at least the major ones) to minetest-mods? 20:49 sofar I'd always quickly review the licenses, but yes, otherwise 20:50 nore UI is code: LGPL v2.1+, textures: WTFPL 20:50 nore should I change the WTFPL to CC0 before or after transferring it? 20:50 nore (or do you want to do it?) 20:51 nore lol, framedglass doesn't seem to have a license?!? 20:51 nore VanessaE: ShadowNinja: ^ 20:52 sofar it's not that it needs to change before transferring 20:52 sofar it's more that I'd like to assess reasonable changes and we can implement them later 20:52 nore ok 20:52 sofar I prefer CC-BY-3.0 or CC-BY-4.0 for media as base license, and not CC0 20:53 sofar so if you relicense, just do CC-BY-4.0 20:54 VanessaE idc about licensing but CC-By-SA is fine by me. not like we can ask the author :( 20:54 nore hmmmm, strange, transferring didn't ask for a confirmation on minetest-mods side? 20:54 sofar they can still obtain the content with the old license 20:54 sofar you're an owner, you can transfer by yourself 20:54 nore ah, yes 20:55 ShadowNinja nore: Yeah, that's fine. 20:55 nore should have thought about that 20:55 sofar I wouldn't do -SA in this case 20:55 ShadowNinja Not all of the -technic mods are really what I'd consider production-ready. 20:55 sofar that's an unneeded restriction imho 20:55 nore ShadowNinja: is LGPL v2.1+ okay for framedglass as well? 20:55 nore (that is the only other one I was going to transfer though) 20:55 sofar I've come to like the ISC license, it's even shorter than MIT 20:56 sofar I used it in fsc 20:56 paramat hey Megaf =) i didn't ask you to not review code, i want you to, i only asked to not create the official-looking 'approved' icon as it can cause confusion. you can review by leaving line comments and thread comments, please do 20:56 paramat Megaf[m] ^ 20:56 sfan5 paramat: github only shows stuff as "approved" if it was a repo member 20:57 ShadowNinja nore: Yeah, that's fine. It was originally part of technic IIRC, so it would have whatever license technic has. 20:57 sfan5 and the "inline" style is trivially distiguishable via the green vs gray check mark 20:57 nore seems to be LGPL indeed 20:58 nore sofar: I'll transfer framedglass as well, except if it's not okay with you 20:58 red-F00 yeah it's really obvious if it's a collaborator or just anyone reviewing 21:01 sofar nore: fine if you promise to update the licenses :) 21:01 sofar let me know if any forum links need fixing, I can do that 21:01 paramat sfan i know 21:02 sfan5 sure it's unnecessary, but confusion is not the problem IMO 21:04 nore I guess they probably need fixing 21:04 benrob0329 The perfect license imho: Give credit and keep it free (as in speech) 21:07 paramat i'm not too bothered, it's just that a big 'approved' with a tick in the thread looks official, seems to be for official use, and has already caused confusion. i don't like it but ok i'll tolerate it now 21:07 rubenwardy "seems for official" -> it's not just for official use 21:08 paramat i know, that's what i mean by 'seems' 21:08 sfan5 review sure, but approval? 21:08 sfan5 i'm not sure who at github thought it was a good idea to let randos "approve" PRs 21:08 rubenwardy it is annoying to just have those ticks though without any messages (ie: "I tested this") or any reviews before hand 21:08 paramat and i don't see the colours because i have to use custom webpage colours (for a black background) 21:09 sfan5 i suggest hiding non-colored ticks then, a CSS rule should do the trick 21:10 paramat yes 21:10 paramat can't be bothered, not a big enough issue =) 21:10 rubenwardy I wrote some CSS for you 21:13 red-F00 rubenwardy, yes the idea behind 6528 was that changes in the client config (e.g. view range) don't get written to the server config 21:13 red-F00 I suppose it might have been a better idea to also make the server config a global 21:13 paramat thanks for the CSS 21:14 rubenwardy > added team doors less than 10 minutes ago 21:14 rubenwardy > already being abused 21:14 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/0p8he4UvDv.png 21:15 sfan5 haha 21:16 paramat rubenwardy see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3827#issuecomment-354876525 maybe your +1 needs reconsidering? 21:17 Shara rubenwardy: that might have been my fault :P 21:17 rubenwardy lol! 21:17 Shara I happened to have four doors and nothing else, and noticed no one had built any defence :) 21:17 rubenwardy note that the enemy can dig the doors 21:17 Shara Yea, figured 21:22 Megaf paramat: Ok, understood. 21:22 Megaf notive my understanding problme above ^ 21:23 Megaf that's why you (plural you, everyone) have to be very very very clear to when you talk to me 21:23 Megaf And oh boy, is it hot in here 21:27 sofar rubenwardy: just make it impossible to place them side-by-side 21:28 rubenwardy yeah, working on that 21:28 sofar but, I find it hilarious 21:28 Megaf meh, I seem to have been logged out from GitHub in all my browsers 21:29 sofar one day I need to poke at ctf code and spot some exploits :) 21:29 Megaf and I have two factor auth enabled, and my phone just broke 21:30 sofar I think I was smart and copied the recovery codes to my keepassx 21:30 sofar and I spread those around to like 3-4 places, lol 21:31 Fixer Megaf: place sim into other phone? 21:31 Megaf problem is I use an app 21:31 Megaf that generates codes, for a number of auths 21:31 Megaf not only GitHub 21:31 Fixer okay, move along 21:33 Megaf Yay, still logged in on Firefox Nightly 21:35 sofar duo mobile is what I use on my phone 21:35 sofar afk espresso run 21:36 * Megaf doesnt understand 21:36 sofar duo mobile == 2fa app 21:36 sofar it's what I use to get github 2fa tokens 21:37 rubenwardy did you not download back up codes? 21:37 rubenwardy also, duo and google authenticater both implement TOTP 2FA codes 21:37 rubenwardy it's a standard 21:38 * Megaf doesnt get it 21:38 Megaf besides, I have a pulsating type of headache right now 21:38 Megaf not feeling good at all 21:39 * Megaf grabs some paracetamol 21:39 * Megaf grabs a glass of cocoa milk 21:40 Megaf Hello CBugDCoder 21:40 nore sofar: license for images of UI should be fixed, could you review please? 21:40 CBugDCoder hi Megaf 21:46 Megaf sofar: rubenwardy: How does that helps me? 21:46 Megaf the TOTP 2FA thing 21:47 rubenwardy it doesn't 21:47 rubenwardy if you don't have any backup codes you're fucked 21:47 Megaf I have for some stuff, Not sure if I had for GitHub 21:47 Megaf lemme check 21:47 rubenwardy well, you can try talking to github, but they say that they won't allow you to disable it in their 2FA docs 21:48 Megaf "Bryan Lunduke has started sharing with you!" 21:49 Megaf wow! 21:52 nore sofar: framedglass should be fixed as well 21:52 nore (btw, I hate license-tracing files) 21:54 Megaf well, I didnt find backup codes, though I found backup from some bitcoin wallets I had lost several years ago 21:54 sofar har 21:54 Megaf 05/05/2012 backup date 21:55 Megaf hopefuly I will have some money there 21:55 nore how much has bitcoin increased since then? *100? 21:55 sofar nore: datastorage seems entirely obsolete atm, so yeah, no need to move that I think 21:55 nore sofar: yup, wasn't going to move it anyway 21:55 nore although it is an optional dependency of ui for waypoints 21:56 nore maybe that should be rewritten, possibly with compat code to import from old saves 21:56 sofar maybe move that to mod_storage then 21:56 sofar yes 21:56 sofar player waypoints should go to player attributes maybe 21:57 nore yep 21:57 Megaf welp, I'm screwed. No backup codes backuo 21:57 sofar and you can't get them through your logged in session? 21:57 nore also, the license for the textures of UI are not the ones which were implied 21:57 sofar how badly dead is your phone? 21:58 nore (there's a LGPL image and a GPL one) 22:06 rubenwardy nore, not quite 22:06 rubenwardy 2700x 22:06 rubenwardy Megaf: how many coins do you have? 22:06 nore ah indeed 22:06 Megaf rubenwardy: no idea 22:07 Megaf All I have are the private keys for my wallet 22:07 Megaf I dont know how to restore it 22:08 Megaf rubenwardy: any idea how do I use these codes? 22:08 rubenwardy not really 22:09 rubenwardy I think you can download a bitcoin wallet, and import the keys, to see the balance 22:09 rubenwardy to get the money out you need to use an exchance 22:09 rubenwardy *exchange 22:14 Megaf yep, was thinking about that 22:15 Megaf $ file Bitcoin\ Wallet\ private\ key\ backup 22:15 Megaf Bitcoin Wallet private key backup: openssl enc'd data with salted password, base64 encoded 22:15 Megaf oh boy 22:16 Megaf it has a password 22:16 Megaf I will never get access to that again 22:18 tumeninodes so apparently, when I said "12 hrs left to go" on my North American map conversion (more than 12 hrs ago)..., that was just for half the map :P 22:18 sofar haha 22:18 sofar btw 22:18 sofar what map are you converting? 22:18 tumeninodes currently now at 16hrs left and approx 60,000+ chunks to go 22:18 sofar and, using mcimport or something else? 22:19 nore ShadowNinja has a fast map converter in C++, but it has less features than mcimport 22:19 sofar SN's version got a lot better, at some point I should do some work on it to make it "palatable" 22:19 tumeninodes It is the North American map by the same guy, using mcimport 22:19 sofar I have a version with broken trees, sadly 22:20 sofar but, a map without trees isn't so bad for what it was used for 22:20 tumeninodes broken trees? haha high winds 22:20 nore I guess the best course of action would be to merge all features of mcimport in the C++ version and then develop the C++ one instead 22:21 tumeninodes well take into consideration my machine is probably half as beast as sofar's 22:21 sofar nono, the machine I used was a 2011 nehalem 22:22 sofar not a really new cpu with good single-core performance 22:22 sofar it wasn't a bad cpu, but definitely nothing super new 22:22 tumeninodes Well, I'm hefting an AMD A8 22:22 sofar haha, ok 22:22 tumeninodes http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding-java-edition/maps/1533625-north-america-1-1500-scale-in-minecraft-12k 22:23 sofar yes that's about as bad, if not worse ;) 22:23 tumeninodes :P 22:23 tumeninodes I could have done worse and used my athlon xp :D 22:23 sofar there are several problems with the conversion of his maps 22:23 sofar I've tweaked mcimport to correct for some of the issues 22:24 tumeninodes wait, don't spoil the disappointment for me 22:24 sofar I won't :) 22:24 tumeninodes I want to fall to my death for 22 hrs to compensate 22:26 tumeninodes I am eager to find out how it does though. I actually started repainting a spare room to divert my attention 22:27 tumeninodes paramat, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1570#issuecomment-354614034 22:30 Fixer it is sad they renamed minecraft to minecraft java edition, like it is second class 22:31 rubenwardy well it is now 22:31 tumeninodes wait... it's not? 22:32 Fixer mcw10 edition can't even run on older OS, it is dumb 22:32 Fixer not really dumb, but ms pushing w10 22:32 tumeninodes ms wants to erase their past war crimes 22:33 Fixer i did wrong by starting this offtopic 22:34 tumeninodes nah, it's brief 22:34 Fixer java one is very powerful, huge modbase, runs everywhere, a bit slow compared to bedrock engine (not really a problem) 22:35 ShadowNinja tumeninodes: My C++ mapper is about 100x faster. I think it needs some tweaks to orientations though... 22:35 Fixer anyone tried [WIP] Dynamic Shadows #6839 ? 22:35 paramat yes will test those textures 22:36 rubenwardy Fixer, nothing to try 22:36 ShadowNinja It also supports doors on block boundaries which mcimport doesn't iirc. 22:36 Fixer rubenwardy: ? 22:36 rubenwardy it doesn't work 22:37 Fixer but maybe it does now? 22:37 Fixer you tried latest? 22:37 tumeninodes ShadowNinja, I will wait eagerly to test it 22:37 rubenwardy yep 23:05 red-F00 ShadowNinja, could you have your bot also do that PR link thing here? 23:07 Fixer http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table 23:08 Fixer pretty serious problem 23:14 * Calinou watches as people panic over it 23:15 red-F00 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/a89f040fa34ec9cd682aed98b8f04e3c47d998bd#diff-678874d00bf0df04f6f427f16f1dea36R902 23:21 Fixer Calinou: not really 23:22 red-F00 Calinou, needs a catchy name 23:22 Fixer Calinou: what is bad is perf loss 23:22 red-F00 if it doesn't have a catchy name it didn't happen 23:23 tumeninodes leakgate 23:23 Fixer rumors like 5-60% perf loss on Skylake in certain situations 23:25 ShadowNinja #123 (test) 23:25 Calinou red-F00: CPUbleed 23:25 * Calinou trademarks it 23:25 rubenwardy ShadowNinja, I banned the bot from this channel 23:25 rubenwardy because it was useless and conflicting with MTB 23:26 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: Ah, I'll have to override the previx here too. 23:29 ShadowNinja ~config channel #minetest-hub reply.whenaddressedby.chars '~' 23:29 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: O.K. 23:29 rubenwardy #123 23:29 red-F00 #1 23:30 Megaf Downloading a wallet here, wish me luck 23:30 ShadowNinja #123 23:30 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/123 -- crashes after about 10 seconds on game start 23:31 rubenwardy lol 23:32 ShadowNinja web#1 23:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/1 -- Credits link to ohloh instead of OpenHub 23:32 ShadowNinja Should all work now. 23:32 rubenwardy thanks 23:32 rubenwardy !help 23:32 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md 23:32 rubenwardy !rainbow #3 23:32 MinetestBot #​3 23:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3 -- Furnace segfault 23:32 rubenwardy lol! 23:32 red-F00 can someone change the title of #6858 to be less misleading all password storage is vulnerable to cracking, maybe like "Change to a more secure password hashing method" 23:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6858 -- Passwords storage using SRP vulnerable to offline attack 23:33 rubenwardy !rainbow ~help 23:33 MinetestBot ~help 23:33 red-F00 !rev 100-der nees! 23:33 MinetestBot !seen red-001 23:33 red-F00 !rev 1# 23:33 MinetestBot #1 23:34 Jordach >expecting the bots to not have blacklists of certain nicks 23:34 rubenwardy I guess SB ignores MTB 23:34 red-F00 !rev 100-der nees~ 23:34 MinetestBot ~seen red-001 23:34 red-F00 ~seen red-001 23:34 ShadowBot red-F00: I saw red-001 in #minetest-hub 6 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 1 minute, and 20 seconds ago saying "Jordach, you got scammed they only gave you 7 "e"'s you need at least 11" 23:34 red-F00 lol 23:35 Jordach reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 23:36 tumeninodes hmmm looks as though Jordach was compensated 23:45 nerzhul !help 23:45 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md 23:45 nerzhul ~help 23:45 ShadowBot nerzhul: help [] [] 23:46 nerzhul ~help VanessaE make MT great again 23:46 ShadowBot nerzhul: Error: There is no command "vanessae make mt great again". 23:46 nerzhul :( 23:46 nerzhul see you later :p 23:46 Fixer Vanessa is not a plugin 23:46 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19204 23:47 nerzhul Fixer, are you sure ? :D 23:48 Fixer no more drinks for nerzhul today 23:53 * VanessaE process exited with signal SIGSEGV