Time  Nick          Message
00:01 Jordach       sofar, there's a sky packet?
00:02 Jordach       all i want to do is overlay alpha textures onto the dynamic skybox
00:30 Jordach       +
00:32 Fixer         alpha textures...
00:50 Megaf         [16:18:07] <IhrFussel> benrob0329, my server is free but not open-source... many of my mods are unique modifications I don't want to share to prevent copy cats from using what makes my server so unique
00:50 Megaf         same
00:50 Megaf         I have many unique mods
00:53 rubenwardy    congrats
01:08 Megaf         rubenwardy: lol
01:08 Megaf         My best mod is one that I didnt create myself but I updated them, more_blocks
01:08 Megaf         just amazing mod
01:08 Megaf         Thankfully it is with minetest-mods now
03:13 Megaf         good night
06:04 sofar         https://i.imgur.com/KS0VJp9.png <- differently colored sky?
06:15 benrob0329    sofar: looks nice, it makes it feel like a bright sunshiny day
06:16 benrob0329    more cartoony, which can be good or bad
06:17 sofar         the green was just a gag, really, but e.g. dark blue and shades of orange may work really well
06:18 sofar         as well as various shades of white/gray for dark and moody days
06:18 benrob0329    it could work depending on the feel of the game
06:19 sofar         it needs careful use, not hello kitty adventure island style
06:19 benrob0329    I'm scared to know what horrid colors were chosen for that
06:20 sofar         pink, obviously
06:29 tumeninodes   mod needed on the forum, new member smith
06:29 sofar         already banned
06:29 tumeninodes   excellent
06:33 tumeninodes   hey... can you work colour blends into the sky, or just single colour?
06:38 sofar         the sky code does a bunch of blending already, so best to not interfere with that
06:38 sofar         then it'll work nicely in various conditions
06:57 tumeninodes   logical thinking..., I like it
06:58 tumeninodes   it's half past old people's bedtime... nite
10:02 Megaf         Good morning folks
10:14 Megaf         I think we should have a channel just for server admins :|
10:18 Calinou       hi
10:23 Megaf         So, Im Brazil now, and still almost speaking in English to people. Brain still working in English
10:33 Raven262      Hi Megaf, Calinou
10:33 Megaf         Hi Raven262
12:17 Megaf         What's my servers address again?
12:19 Megaf         !up 5.196.88.227 30003
12:19 MinetestBot   5.196.88.227:30003 is up (10ms)
13:35 Mr_Pardison   morning/afternoon/evening twoelk
13:35 twoelk        o/
13:37 * twoelk      repoints some channels that moved from inchra to freenode
13:43 twoelk        duh, so many dead channels in my old channel list :-(
13:51 VanessaE      sorry for such short notice, twoelk
13:51 twoelk        no problem
13:52 VanessaE      With ShadowNinja just plain gone, I just don't have the time or the mental budget to keep up, so I discontinued my inchra server and moved my minetest instances to freenode #ve-minetest-servers
13:55 twoelk        lol - how do I quit a connection that doesn't respond correctly?
13:56 * Mr-Pardison pokes Sokomine and hands them some gingerbread person shaped sugar cookies
13:56 Jordach       twoelk, unplug ethernet, disconnect from wifi
13:57 twoelk        yeah and then reconnect everything again - I should have added - how do I do it gracefully
13:59 Mr-Pardison   maybe sacrifice grace for speed?
13:59 Mr-Pardison   but then you make mistakes with speed so.... no.
14:01 twoelk        this is stupid, there must be some command to stop failing line buildups ............
14:02 twoelk        <- insert some curses
14:02 twoelk        argh!!
14:02 Mr-Pardison   fudge nuggets.
14:07 twoelk        does anybody else use KVIrc ?
14:08 * Mr-Pardison uses Kiwiirc
14:09 Fixer         twoelk: ncurses inserted
15:00 benrob0329    Its a beautiful 40° day here in Michigan
15:01 Mr-Pardison   and on the lower half of the states it's 61 degrees F and rainy.
15:07 twoelk        we got the usuall grey, slushy wet and cold but not freezing first part of winter weather (usually it gets somewhat whiter in the second half)
15:07 Mr-Pardison   we rarely get snow and if we do it's not much.
15:08 twoelk        snow has gotten rarer
15:08 twoelk        so has ice
15:08 benrob0329    Oh its wet here too, but its melted enough that the cement is clear
15:09 twoelk        I miss the skating on ponds and streems
15:09 benrob0329    twoelk: tell that to the northern states
15:09 benrob0329    We got record breaking snowfall a few years ago iirc
15:10 twoelk        it's been quit some years since I last walked on sea ice on the baltic :-(
15:10 Fixer         please use Celsius
15:10 benrob0329    At least for anything recent
15:11 benrob0329    Fixer: 4° C
15:11 Fixer         ty
15:12 benrob0329    The winter coat was getting a little warm as a matter of fact
15:12 Fixer         americanos have very weird cloth style in winter
15:13 Fixer         in North
15:13 benrob0329    Fixer: coats, pants, hats
15:13 benrob0329    What's wierd about it?
15:14 Fixer         friends that live there noticed its weirdness
15:14 Jordach       i'm mostly immune to the cold
15:14 Fixer         Jordach: UKs winters are ----
15:14 Jordach       Fixer, -2C last night
15:15 Mr-Pardison   Jordach: what about the heat of a Texas summer?
15:15 twoelk        Jordach: you might feel so but your body would be as vurnerable as any
15:16 Jordach       twoelk, there's a reason why i overheat nearly instantly above 24C
15:16 Fixer         Jordach: ?
15:16 twoelk        fun fact, all british I know don't get allong well with heat
15:16 Jordach       recently, instead of breaking down food and drink the normal way, with caloires being the output, they're instead directed into heating
15:17 Jordach       i have to almost crash out myself just to stay cool
15:17 twoelk        including my kentish born nephew
15:18 Fixer         twoelk: it is not like UK has big heat
15:18 twoelk        still, britsh freeze to death just as easy as all others or else scott would have survived
15:18 Fixer         EU continental summers suck so much, i'm fed up with this heat
15:19 Fixer         i'm ok with 30C, but not 40C
15:19 Fixer         leave your 40C to Africa
15:19 benrob0329    Then there's Michigan, -20F wind chill to 100F blistering heat
15:19 twoelk        I'm always amazed how much the weather differs between the west baltic coast and Berlin for example
15:20 Fixer         oceanic vs continental
15:20 Fixer         continental is hot summer and cold winter
15:20 twoelk        northsea is like 10°c in summer and 10°c in winter :-P
15:21 twoelk        while Berlin is allready more continental compared to that
15:21 Mr-Pardison   Fixer: forget Africa, Try Texas summer heat.
15:21 twoelk        bah, been there, done that
15:22 twoelk        lived in saudiland, lived on borneo ; texans stop complainin' :-P
15:36 Megaf_        MinetestBot!
15:36 MinetestBot   Megaf_!
15:38 Megaf_        twoelk: /ns ghost nick and then /ns release nicj
15:38 twoelk        Megaf_: ?
15:42 Megaf_        MinetestBot!
15:42 MinetestBot   Megaf_!
15:42 twoelk        if it's about stopping the reconnect script for a single failing connection while not disabling it completely and not disconnecting all other live connections - the sollution in KVIrc is shift+leftclick on the  item in the tree view
15:43 twoelk        as discussed on #kviirc
15:43 Megaf_        That will make freenode disconnect you
15:44 Megaf_        the ghost command
15:44 twoelk        oops kvirc of course
15:44 Megaf_        so it works independent from the IRC client
15:44 Megaf_        And I used to use kvirc, back in 2005
15:44 twoelk        you cannot disconnect what never connects
15:44 Megaf_        2005 was more than 10 years ago :S
15:45 Megaf_        oh boy
15:45 * Megaf_      feeling old
15:45 twoelk        hehe, can't be older than me
15:46 OldGaf        Sure you are not the eldest in this channel either
15:46 * twoelk      wonders where his fidonet node is gone
15:46 benrob0329    Megaf_: new Doctor who is 12 years old, soon to be 13
15:46 twoelk        there are only a handfull in my age I know of
15:47 Megaf         twoelk: well, you older our younger than 47?
15:47 benrob0329    BTTF is 32 years old
15:47 Megaf         What's BTTF?
15:48 benrob0329    Back To The Future :P
15:48 Megaf         ah
15:48 Megaf         yep
15:49 Megaf         well, I've met lots of 30+ and 40+ stupid people and some 8 years old that were quite amazing, with a fantastic English and amazing building skills
15:49 benrob0329    https://youtu.be/e8TZbze72Bc
15:50 Mr-Pardison   some young kids do have a bit of skill when it comes to building.
15:50 Megaf         benrob0329: don't even try to see how old Star Trek is
15:50 benrob0329    Oh gosh, what was that...1968 or something?
15:50 Megaf         Yep
15:51 Megaf         Just around the time they landed on the moon
15:51 Mr-Pardison   both of them went where no man had gone before.
15:51 Megaf         well, not really, the original movie is from 1979
15:51 Megaf         the series is from 1966 tho
15:51 benrob0329    1966 for TOS
15:52 benrob0329    Beat me to it :P
15:52 Megaf         And I remember watching the then new Next Generation, with the bald guy, and I didnt really like because it was too new and I prefered the old version
15:52 benrob0329    51 years
15:52 benrob0329    Little younger than Doctor Who :PP
15:52 twoelk        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_duzQzS1I
16:00 Fixer         *,,,,,,,,,*
16:23 Megaf         29C right now
17:25 MinetestBot   Krock: Dec-18 21:37 UTC <Fixer> smallest meme gif i ever seen
17:50 rubenwardy    brb
18:25 Jordach       http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/224/002/df6.png
19:45 Mr-Pardison   afk
20:04 Megaf         something changed in Minetest that now is making lots of mods crash
20:04 Megaf         2017-12-19 20:03:57: ERROR[Main]:       ...nMegafServer/bin/../mods/minetest-nether/nether/init.lua:778: in function 'grow_tree'
20:04 Megaf         2017-12-19 20:03:57: ERROR[Main]:       ...nMegafServer/bin/../mods/minetest-nether/nether/init.lua:620: in function <...nMegafServer/bin/../mods/minetest-nether/nether/init.lua:359>
20:04 Megaf         2017-12-19 20:03:57: ERROR[Main]:       ...afServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../builtin/game/register.lua:412: in function <...afServer/BinMegafServer/bin/../builtin/game/register.lua:392>
20:04 Megaf         moretress at times crash too
20:05 benrob0329    Megaf: its difficult to debug without the full backlog
20:05 benrob0329    er, error
20:06 Megaf         Just the usual Minetest stuff benrob0329, a mod indexes a nil value and boom, everything explodes
20:06 Megaf         I dont have memory left to open a webbrowser and pastebin here, if I do it will freeze my computer, because Minetest client is open
20:07 benrob0329    thats a sad amount of ram
20:07 benrob0329    could you paste into a PM?
20:08 benrob0329    First though, if mods don't check nil that's partially there fault
20:10 Megaf         4 GB...
20:15 Mr-Pardison   baq
20:17 benrob0329    was vector.set_data_to_pos changed?
20:17 benrob0329    Megaf: set points to vector.set_data_to_pos, so I assume that function was changed
20:35 benrob0329    semver would help with this you know :P
20:36 benrob0329    because then we would know "hey, this is a breaking change, I'm going to wait until the mod updates to upgrade the engine"
20:36 benrob0329    right now you have to dig through the changelogs to find if anything broke
20:40 Fixer         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrV4zNrXMnQ very noice
21:26 Megaf         [18:17:24] <benrob0329> Megaf: set points to vector.set_data_to_pos, so I assume that function was changed
21:26 Megaf         thats what I said...
21:26 Megaf         [18:04:15] <Megaf> something changed in Minetest that now is making lots of mods crash
21:26 Megaf         its not mods fault
21:26 Megaf         its mInetest faults
21:26 Megaf         they change stuff all the time without testig
21:26 Megaf         and I can blame myself for this too
21:27 Megaf         benrob0329: I only have my server because my players are actually paying me to run it
21:27 Megaf         honestly I had enough of this. very sad, as I already said various times
21:27 Megaf         I put so much time in this and after EVERY update things just break
21:28 Megaf         We need someone to be a proper head fort he project
21:28 Megaf         someone that will not just disapear
21:28 Megaf         some who has been running minetestserver for 5 years at least, who knows the community
21:29 Megaf         someone who actually enjoys playing it
21:29 Megaf         and who has been somwhat involved in the development
21:29 Megaf         And we need proper version numbers
21:29 Megaf         major.minor.littlefix
21:29 Megaf         and nreaks only happen in major version changes
21:30 Megaf         minor changes just bring improvments without changing gameplay
21:30 Megaf         and littlefix just fixes stuff like typos, documentation and translations.
21:30 Megaf         Having the thing to completely break from 0.4.14 to 0.4.16 is plain ridiculous
21:31 Megaf         On Windows you can still run stuff for windows 95 on windows 10. In minetest 3 weeks old stuff is no longer supported
21:31 Megaf         Not cool!
21:32 Megaf         benrob0329: ^ :S
21:32 Megaf         :(
21:32 Megaf         (My spell check doesnt work on macOS for some reason)
21:40 rubenwardy    Megaf, any breakages are likely unintentional
21:41 Megaf         then we get back to the same old problem, lack of testing/quality control
21:41 rubenwardy    can't see any set_data_to_pos funtion
21:41 rubenwardy    Megaf, yup. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19038
21:43 benrob0329    funny, I can't find that function at all in the vector.lua history
21:43 benrob0329    Megaf ^^
21:43 Megaf         well, that function not even existing doesnt help much, does it?
21:44 benrob0329    I don't think this is MT's fault, something else changed
21:44 benrob0329    do you have vector-helpers?
21:44 Megaf         maybe
21:44 Megaf         I dont have my server console open now
21:44 Megaf         and will not work anymore on MT today
21:44 benrob0329    https://github.com/HybridDog/vector_extras
21:45 Megaf         been working on my server the whole day
21:45 benrob0329    https://github.com/HybridDog/vector_extras.git
21:45 benrob0329    if you want a direct git, to avoid opening a web browser :-)
21:46 rubenwardy    git works without the .git
21:46 Megaf         man, I hate macOS
21:46 Megaf         and windows
21:46 Megaf         brb
21:50 Fixer         0.8 kb/sec DL, not bad
22:14 Megaf         Back
22:15 Megaf         rubenwardy: I'm a full time student as well
22:15 Megaf         I know the feeling, well, you seem to understand my point of view
22:16 Megaf         now, let me check this vector thingy
22:17 Megaf         minetest@Platinum:~/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/mods$ cd vector_extras/
22:17 Megaf         minetest@Platinum:~/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/mods/vector_extras$ git pull
22:17 Megaf         Already up-to-date.
22:17 Megaf         minetest@Platinum:~/MegafServer/BinMegafServer/mods/minetest-nether$ git pull
22:17 Megaf         Already up-to-date.
22:23 Megaf         so, minetest-nether, the old version that I had, it crashes on start up
22:23 Megaf         with the minetest changes
22:23 Megaf         it worked in .4.14
22:24 Megaf         rubenwardy: benrob0329 http://paste.debian.net/plain/1001570
22:24 Megaf         and the current version of nether crashes anytime a tree grows
22:24 Megaf         suggestions?
22:25 rubenwardy    (y)
22:25 rubenwardy    read the code, see what's at that line?
22:27 Megaf         rubenwardy: by the way, thank you for the well writen post clearly describing our current situation
22:28 rubenwardy    local tab = minetest.wrap_text(content, guide_size.fx)
22:28 rubenwardy    odd
22:29 Megaf         well, that might be in the current snaptshot
22:29 Megaf         let me check here
22:30 Megaf         local tab = minetest.splittext(content, guide_size.fx)
22:30 Megaf         rubenwardy:                              ^
22:39 Megaf         can I juat change that to the warp thing?
22:39 Megaf         :P
22:41 rubenwardy    wrap
22:41 rubenwardy    and yes
22:42 Fixer         https://youtu.be/Wxyg1_3Rb68?t=17 love those china slogans
22:46 Megaf         lemme try that then
22:47 sofar         friendly reminder the FREE Public Remote Media Server is bored and wishes to serve more user content to players!
22:47 sofar         If you have no remote media server, just use the PRMS!
22:47 Megaf         sofar: you just made something I've been wating to do for 5 years
22:47 Megaf         host all the media files in a server and let everybody use
22:48 sofar         if you want, I'll add the mods you're using and keep them up to date, nothing you need to do except point your remote_media to the right URL
22:48 sofar         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=18951
22:49 Megaf         rubenwardy: now this 2017-12-19 22:48:43: ERROR[Main]: ...MegafServer/bin/../mods/minetest-nether/nether/guide.lua:320: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got string)
22:49 Megaf         2017-12-19 22:48:43: ERROR[Main]: stack traceback:
22:49 sofar         it already hosts about 300mb+ of media atm
22:49 Megaf         lets see the line
22:49 Megaf         sofar: with my server you will easily double that
22:49 sofar         doubt it
22:49 Megaf         for _,str in ipairs(tab) do
22:49 Megaf         form = form.."label["..guide_size.cx ..","..guide_size.cy+y..";"..str.."]"
22:49 Megaf         y = y+guide_size.fy
22:49 Megaf         l = math.max(l, #str)
22:50 sofar         just tell me what git trees you're using
22:50 sofar         Megaf: it already contains *all* of minetest-mods (including homedecor etc)
22:50 Megaf         minetest@Platinum:~$ du -hs MegafServer/mods
22:50 Megaf         151M    MegafServer/mods
22:50 Megaf         That's my light version
22:51 Megaf         ok, I have around 300 MB in mods in total
22:51 Megaf         sofar: some mods have no git anymore
22:51 Megaf         some are from me
22:51 Megaf         dont know if I should try to fix the old nether or the current nether
22:54 Megaf         and now I can't get server to start anymore
22:54 Megaf         lol
23:09 Megaf         Shara: ping
23:14 benrob0329    Crap, can't OP myself from Riot mobile, and ChanServ won't do it (even though I'm logged in via sasl)
23:15 benrob0329    Will grab laptop in a minute
23:15 Megaf         benrob0329: you are opped
23:15 Megaf         benrob0329: try just /voice #channel nick
23:16 benrob0329    My alt nick isnt
23:17 Megaf         battery is almost dead, cya
23:17 Jordach       i almost installed hackintosh instead of windows
23:17 Jordach       when re-installing my system
23:36 * benrob0329  gets frustrated as Hexchat refuses to SASL properly
23:37 ThomasMonroe  ?
23:37 ThomasMonroe  it SASL's for me properly
23:38 Fixer         "Microsoft Removes Google's Chrome Installer From the Windows Store"
23:39 Fixer         "Windows Store apps that browse the web must use HTML and JavaScript engines provided by Windows 10" ouch, thats anal
23:39 Fixer         nevermind
23:40 Fixer         new 0.4.17 build
23:45 red-001       when your rendering engine is so bad you have to force people to use it
23:45 red-001       also rip CEF apps
23:49 Fixer         red-001: also someone pointed out there is facebook abb with webkit builtin, so MS just does not like chrome as a competitor in store
23:50 red-001       what MS abusing their power to stop fair competition?, they would never do such a thing.
23:53 twoelk        stopping a fart competition? MS might be wiser than I thought :-D
23:58 benrob0329    what the heck