Time Nick Message 00:21 Fixer JUST ONE MORE YEAR AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY 00:36 Megaf Folks, I think I will get this KS-3C at https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml 00:36 Megaf What you think? 00:37 Megaf KS-3C Intel i3-2130 2c/4t 3.4GHz 8GB DDR3 1333 MHz 2TB 100 Mbps /128 $21.99 00:39 sfan5 no gbit? 00:39 sfan5 good for that price though 00:40 rubenwardy that's the one I have! 00:40 rubenwardy very happy with it 00:40 Fixer thats basically my PC 00:40 Fixer ._________________. 00:40 rubenwardy shame that there's no SSD though 00:40 Fixer Megaf: 22$ per year? 00:40 Megaf month... 00:40 Fixer o_o 00:41 Megaf It would be a super upgrade from my current 1 GB ram, one core and 20 GB disk for 10 USD/month 00:41 Fixer test-driving digall mod: https://github.com/tacigar/minetest-digall 00:42 Fixer very useful for builders 00:42 Fixer needs polishing though 00:42 Megaf rubenwardy: you happy with them, really? What did you have before? 00:42 Fixer Megaf: holy crap, those prices are insane 00:42 Fixer Megaf: 1core/1gb/20gb, i feel back to 2001 00:42 Megaf Fixer: and it's dedicated. The whole hardware just for yourself. 00:42 Fixer Megaf: dedicated POS 00:43 Fixer Megaf: i would rather buy god damn PC and use it as server, will be cheaper and faster 00:43 Megaf I have no idea how I will migrate all my infrastructure from Linode to KimSufi though 00:43 rubenwardy Fixer, most people don't have commercial internet connections 00:43 Fixer and host from home 00:43 Megaf will have to adjust a lot of DNS stuff 00:43 rubenwardy also, it's really not a POS 00:43 Megaf POS? 00:43 rubenwardy it's very good, minus having a HHD 00:43 Fixer piece of ---- 00:43 Shara Fixer: some of us have to pay more than that just for an internet connection :) 00:44 Fixer unless you have bad upload speed on your home ISP 00:44 Megaf Fixer: unstable internet here alone is 20 EUR/Month 00:44 Megaf plus electricity bills 00:44 Megaf plus hardware price 00:44 Megaf and would have to by an UPS. And make RAID for redundancy 00:45 Megaf I think 22 USD/Month for that hardware is a bargain 00:47 Shara Megaf: Yup. It's what I plan to look at if I ever need more space 00:48 Megaf Shara: the main reason my server is down at the moment is because I ran out of space... 00:49 Shara Space and ever inflating map sizes... My biggest worry. 00:52 Fixer Shara: with minetest you can downsize a lot, like doing 4096x4096x4096 map 00:52 Fixer pregenerated one 00:52 Fixer with weekly archive via unexplore script 00:53 Shara Fixer: I've already limited mapsize 00:53 Megaf Terrible for serious playing ^ 00:53 Shara But sitting at 16GB 00:53 Shara And given that most surface area is built on, it's pretty difficult to find safe ways to reduce it 00:54 Fixer Megaf: not really ;) Slice the world into many *dimensions* *cough* 00:54 Fixer say 1000 nodes per dimension vertically 00:55 Fixer with their own different biome parameters/altitudes/heat/etc 00:56 Megaf So you don't have players building gigantic underground structures and extensive network of tunels dug into stone 00:56 Megaf if I use unexplore thing in my server I will wipe out so much stuff 00:57 Fixer Megaf: you can teleport player to continuation of the slice in some way 00:58 Fixer Megaf: iirc you can set "triggers" for unexplore to capture mapblocks, say if they have a torch, or cobble 00:59 Megaf Nope, not safe 00:59 Fixer or other signs of activity 01:02 Shara Fixer: everything I read and looked at for this just tells me it would have to destroy or damage things in order to be useful 01:03 Fixer yep, it may destroy some carved parts 01:03 Shara And since the map is so big and there is so much content, it's not like I can test it then make sure everything is okay 01:03 Fixer say tunnels 01:03 Shara Yup.. and my players spent endless hours created nice tunnel networks. 01:03 Shara Not talking about mines either, since this is creative 01:07 Fixer iirc minecraft classic had 2048x2048 maximum map size 01:08 Shara Not really relevant 01:09 Shara Have a reasonable number of players on a server... run it for years... map simply gets big unless you are happy to lose things 01:10 rubenwardy ideally Minetest would if a chunk has been modified 01:10 rubenwardy and then either not save it if it has 01:10 Shara would...? 01:10 rubenwardy +remember 01:10 Shara :) 01:10 Shara Yea 01:12 rubenwardy there's a lot of sentences that start with "ideally Minetest would" or "Minetest should" though 01:12 Sokomine Megaf: krock used to have a mod on his server that limited the area players could explore. it wasn't a problem ingame but helped reduce map size. perhaps that's something for you as well? 01:13 Megaf well, my ssd is full already, there's not much I can do about it now 01:13 Megaf But I don't really mind about having a huge world 01:13 Megaf I just need a decent server hardware.. 01:14 Sokomine Shara: hmm. what i rescued from redcrabs server was (compressed) not much more than 100 mb. and i was pretty sure that i got most. and that server ran for years. still, maps on servers tend to grow huge 01:15 Shara Sokomine: I can't find a safe way to reduce it. 01:15 Sokomine Fixer: but those classic servers had several maps between which players could travel 01:16 Sokomine rubenwardy: oh yes. would love to have something that stores weather anything of intrest (=player did something) ever happened in a mpablock or not 01:16 Sokomine rubenwardy: hmm, i'm afraid you're right with that "ideally...should...if i ever get the time" :/ 01:17 Sokomine Megaf: how long has your world been running? 01:17 Megaf 5 years 01:17 Megaf it's 5 GB 01:17 Megaf and several thousands of players 01:17 Sokomine that's almost acceptable for 5 years 01:18 Shara 2 years and 16 GB here... 01:19 Sokomine Shara: need to get your players to stay more in one place :-) 01:19 Shara Impossible. 01:19 Sokomine but there's admittedly been built a lot. and very good things 01:19 Shara They build too much! 01:19 Megaf well, my server has been sleeping for the last 2 years 01:20 Sokomine :-) treat them less well. other servers try that desperately :) 01:20 Megaf almost no activity in the past 2 years and very little in the last 3 years 01:20 Shara Sokomine: Certain people seem to already think I am a terrible admin! 01:20 Sokomine Megaf: that certainly helps reduce map size 01:21 Megaf :P 01:21 Sokomine Shara: :) guess that's a misunderstanding. you two are very similar in what you'd consider acceptable on your servers. it's just a tiny piece of the spectrum you're looking at where views vary slightly 01:21 Fixer truecraft repo archived by its owner. now read only mode. RIP 01:22 Sokomine or maybe things worded differently 01:22 Shara Not sure who else you mean by "you two" 01:22 Sokomine what was/is truecraft? 01:23 Fixer gn 01:24 Calinou Sokomine: TrueCraft is a C# reimplementation of Minecraft Beta 1.7.3 01:33 IhrFussel Do you even consider the power bill when hostiong from home?? My PC isn't even a gaming one and costs ~ $20 per month JUST for power 01:34 IhrFussel And i shut it down 12 hours per day ... so 24/7 would mean $40 per month elictricity 01:35 IhrFussel So my dedi @ $25 per month saves me *lots* of money 01:41 Sokomine Calinou: aah. thank you 01:42 Sokomine Calinou: do you know how well it runs on less good graphics cards? my machine can't handle mc due to it only having an igp. perhaps that truecraft could? i'd really like to take a look at what mc is like. just for comparison 02:02 Megaf Good night all 02:08 MinetestBot paramat: Dec-09 14:04 UTC Hi paramat, I can remove the thumbs up but I can't remove the code review approvals. Which one should I stop using? 02:08 MinetestBot paramat: Dec-09 14:05 UTC hey paramat, I finished #6702; got rid of the caps except for the abbreviations 04:24 sofar hmm, a few more users of the Public Remote Media Server! Good! 04:24 sofar keep em coming! Hasn't cost me anything yet! 11:20 Megaf Good morning 11:21 Krock o/ Megaf 11:21 Megaf \o 11:22 Megaf I will be in Frankfurt on 17th Dec 12:24 Megaf https://jalopnik.com/the-mclaren-senna-is-an-uncompromising-track-car-here-t-1821156628 12:25 Megaf It looks like the original NSX that was designed with the help of Senna 12:26 Krock "impressive 789 horsepower and 590 lb-ft of torque" 12:26 Krock thanks you imperials 12:30 Megaf it looks like the old NSX 12:30 Megaf https://images.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/width/640/media/5830946/Honda%20NSX%20(1).jpg 12:30 Megaf which makes sense if you think about it 12:32 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GOEorrE4mY 12:46 Calinou sofar: heh, it's a nice idea to have a public remote_media server 12:46 Calinou I never thought of this :P 12:46 Calinou some Quake-derived games also have public Web servers available for map downloads 12:46 Calinou e.g. http://xonotic.co/ 12:46 Fixer urban terror 12:47 Fixer as usual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJzO2bgoZQ 12:59 Calinou yeah, Urban Terror has a public map server hosted by sebsauvage 12:59 Calinou (zerobin author) 13:40 lisac It looks like the original NSX that was designed with the help of Senna 13:40 lisac I was reconsidering my life after I misread that as Santa 13:40 Megaf hah! 13:41 Megaf rubenwardy: creating account at KimSurf right now 13:41 Megaf waiting for confirmation email 13:48 Megaf s/kimsurf/kimsufi 14:01 * Calinou imagines a surfing Kim Dotcom 14:02 Megaf lmao 14:02 Megaf I have no idea what you talking about, thoug I find if funny 14:02 Megaf Sokomine: So, I'm going from 20 GB SSD to 2 x 1 TB HDD, just ordered my dedicated 14:03 Megaf I guess I will have no issues with disk space anymore 14:03 Krock depends if you want to start a file hosting service or not 14:03 Megaf I will keep my Linode VPS for my personal website and Git server and leave KimSufi for Minetest. 14:03 Megaf Krock: Will make a cloud yes, but just for family 14:04 Megaf Maybe using NextCloud or maybe some Torrent based thing 14:17 Krock Sorry for digging this out again.. but can we try to rescue the rare item (Nyan Cat) idea again? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1647#issuecomment-288147673 14:18 Krock GNU/Gnu looks very promising - and seems to have a better rating than the PB&J pup 14:19 paramat cyan-cat 14:23 Sokomine Megaf: sounds fine :-) ought to be fast enough 14:23 Megaf Sokomine: I'm not sure is going to be fast. I'm going for an Atom 14:23 Megaf but four core. So mapgen should be fast enough 14:24 Sokomine Megaf: atom..hm. and then you want to run 3 mt servers on it? not sure if that's going to work welll 14:25 Megaf Sokomine: right now it will run only my main and current server ;) 14:25 Krock depends on their single thread performance 14:25 Megaf that's the priority 14:26 Sokomine Fixer: had a look at the videos about tools you mentionned. i'm not sure about how useful those tools would actually be. the first one seems to place 5 blocks in a row (or more for the more expensive ones). i fear a bit that that'd lead to even more ugly cobble boxes. for creative building, worldedit is usually pretty good 14:27 Sokomine Fixer: a tool for setting worldedit positions might perhaps be more helpful. the tool could set pos1 and pos2, and when clicking on pos3, offer a formspec of what can be done with that volume 14:33 Megaf rubenwardy: How do configure SSH/remote access to my kimsufi? :P 14:44 Krock Sokomine, isn't that what worldedit_gui does? 14:48 rubenwardy Megaf: ssh-copy-id username@host 14:48 rubenwardy and then disable passwords 14:48 rubenwardy well 14:48 rubenwardy it tells you your password to login 14:48 rubenwardy you should: 14:48 rubenwardy 1. login with root password and change it 14:48 rubenwardy 2. make a new user account, say "Megaf" 14:49 rubenwardy 3. usermod -aG sudo megaf 14:49 rubenwardy 4. use ssh-copy-id to send key up to megaf 14:49 rubenwardy 5. as root, disable password authentication in /etc/sshd/sshd.conf 14:49 rubenwardy then to login again, you'd do ssh megaf@host, and then sudo su to go into root (with megaf's password) 14:50 rubenwardy alternatively you can just ssh-copy-id on root and log straight into it 14:51 Megaf rubenwardy: I didnt set a root password anywhere 14:51 Megaf that's the problem 14:51 rubenwardy it'll be in the dashboard or an email 14:53 Megaf rubenwardy: oh, it was in my email, thanks 14:53 Megaf :) 14:53 Megaf hm, ssh delay is very good, pretty non existent 14:55 Megaf /dev/sda3 1.8T 33M 1.8T 1% /home 14:55 Megaf oh boy 14:55 Megaf I never had so much space in my whole life 14:55 Megaf :P 14:56 Megaf total used free shared buff/cache available 14:56 Megaf Mem: 3938 86 3395 5 456 3626 14:56 Megaf o/ 15:01 Megaf rubenwardy: thanks for the tip, ssh-copy-id, I didn't remember about that 15:01 Megaf And I'm not using sudo ;) 15:01 rubenwardy be careful: they mount / on 20GB 15:02 rubenwardy you'll need to symlink /var/www to a /home dir 15:02 rubenwardy if you're storing big files there 15:02 rubenwardy also /var/docker 15:03 Megaf rubenwardy: I made a custom thing. http://paste.debian.net/plain/1000069 15:03 Megaf There will be no web server in this machine either 15:03 Megaf it's dedicated for Minetest 15:04 Megaf s/for/to 15:04 Megaf maybe I will run a cloud storage there 15:06 red-001 what country is the website hosted in? 15:06 rubenwardy which website? 15:07 red-001 minetest.net 15:07 rubenwardy ping minetest.net 15:07 rubenwardy PING minetest.net (89.188.9.43) 56(84) bytes of data. 15:07 rubenwardy Netherlands 15:09 Sokomine Krock: does it? well, then that's fine. guess i ought to use that more often then 15:09 Krock well me too, because I'm not sure what features it has :3 15:21 Sokomine Krock: seems to be an old mod. we itself seems to have a gui onboard now. i don't know if it helps with setting the positions. what i had in mind was mostly a physical tool for setting pos1 and pos2 and then calling the gui 15:22 rubenwardy > Maybe we should just have a totally unofficial version of the game where everything is more or less merged 15:22 rubenwardy #qualitycontrol 15:22 Krock I smell sarcasm, rubenwardy 15:23 rubenwardy are entities responsible for their own movement, such as gravitY? 15:27 Megaf Folks, any tips for interview I'm having tomorrow for Network/Infrastructure Manager position? 15:39 * Jordach still can't get a fucking job with all these qualifications 15:47 Megaf Jordach: same here. I'm still unemployed 15:47 Jordach done more effort than the chavs jacking off on JAS 15:47 Jordach JSA 15:50 rubenwardy no matter how good you are, there'll always a good chance that there will be someone that came across as slightly better 15:50 rubenwardy so you just need to stack in your favour by applying to as many places without bulk applying 15:53 Megaf That actually makes sense 15:58 red-001 the oldcoder forum topic seems counter productive 15:58 rubenwardy yup 15:58 rubenwardy it's good for it to be publicly known so people aren't too confused by the spam PMs 15:58 rubenwardy but the thread itself is counter productive 15:59 red-001 maybe post an offical statement and close the topic 15:59 Shara red-001: trying to get that to happen 15:59 Shara I also think some clear guidelines should be put in the current thread, and posts that don't follow it should be edited 16:00 Shara A real discussion about the trademark issue would be good, but using it as an means to insult is bad... but my requests have been ignored there 16:01 red-001 I mean from what I can see he is willing to twist anything to make it seem like he is the victim, even people just talking about him 16:02 Shara red-001: but at least when people are not dropping insults, the fact that something has been twisted is a lot more obvious, and would actually show him up for doing that 16:02 Shara Insults are handing ammo 16:02 Jordach hang on 16:07 red-001 dunno, just from looking at just his site he seems to have twisted having a restraining order filled agaist him into his free speach being gagged 16:07 Jordach fun fact; 16:07 Jordach the first amendment doesn't apply to the internet 16:08 red-001 if you want to be pedantic just point out it only applies to the US 16:08 red-001 and then only the goverment 16:08 Jordach EU doesn't guarantee it 16:09 red-001 people seem to use first amendment as short/long hand for free speach 16:09 red-001 I guess it sounds cooler or something 16:09 Jordach from the government yes, but not from peers 16:10 red-001 europe has the ECHR 16:10 nerzhul hey red-001 16:10 red-001 not sure if the EU requires you to sign it before joining 16:11 red-001 hi nerzhul 16:13 rubenwardy they do 17:11 Megaf I bloody hate mac 17:11 rubenwardy wow, what a controversial opinion for this channel 17:11 rubenwardy ;) 17:18 Megaf Oo 17:47 benrob0329 TARDIS Mod Idea: Integrate with the Quests mod 17:47 benrob0329 You'll gain experience the more you use the tardis 17:48 benrob0329 Eventually, maybe you'll be able to open the TARDIS..with a snap of your fingers ;-) 17:48 Megaf we have Travelnet already 17:48 Megaf is teh best teleporty thingy in my humble opinion 17:49 Megaf No need for anything else 17:49 benrob0329 Megaf: travelnets are unimpressive, efficient, but unimpressive 17:50 benrob0329 And, they're yellow TARDISes :P 17:50 Megaf Megaf's Debians starter pack 17:50 Megaf apt install tmux screen mosh htop iotop bwm-ng rsync git-core build-essential cmake 17:50 Megaf first command to run after a clean minimal install 17:51 benrob0329 Benrob0329's *nix Starter Pack: 17:52 Megaf man, I can't believe I have my very own dedicated server now 17:52 Megaf Whole IO and CPU all for myself 17:52 benrob0329 sudo apt/dnf/pacman/xbps-install install/-S blender 17:52 Megaf Happy Megaf is Happy 17:53 Megaf I could pay a gym subscription with the money I'm spending in this dedicated, or ulimited cinema 17:53 Megaf But you got to have your priorities right. 17:53 benrob0329 But pushups are free :-P 17:54 Megaf indeed they are 17:54 Megaf And so is The Pirate Bay 17:54 * Megaf hides 17:56 Megaf s/apt install tmux screen mosh htop iotop bwm-ng rsync git-core build-essential cmake/apt install tmux screen mosh htop iotop bwm-ng rsync git-core build-essential cmake subversion curl 17:57 Megaf irrlicht, sqlite and luajit are compiled from source 18:02 Megaf I have this script that builds irrlicht and sqlite and luajit 18:02 Megaf not sure if it would be wise to build all of them in paralel 18:03 Megaf /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/../../../x86_64-linux-gnu/Scrt1.o: In function `_start': 18:03 Megaf (.text+0x20): undefined reference to `main' 18:03 Megaf collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status 18:03 Megaf Makefile:612: recipe for target 'sqlite3' failed 18:03 Megaf make: *** [sqlite3] Error 1 18:03 Megaf weird ^ 18:11 Jordach are you running debian 18:11 Jordach if so what version 18:12 Megaf latest stable 18:13 Megaf 9, 18:13 Megaf I'm running make again with a single job so I can see more clearly the error 18:13 Jordach debian fucked me over with C11 and some of nerzhu l's changes 18:13 Jordach so installed ubuntu server 18:13 Megaf I had this before. I think is some cc flag 18:13 Jordach and have had no issues since 18:14 Megaf I will likely just get latest gcc stable source and build it and then use it to build stuff 18:14 Megaf or clang 18:14 Megaf well, make -j 1 built sqlite stuff 18:14 Megaf make -j 4 failed 18:14 Megaf go figure... 18:18 Megaf well, building the server now 18:19 Megaf building stuff => https://imgur.com/a/ksOLi 18:28 Megaf Yep, Atom is slower than Xeon 18:28 Megaf :P 18:30 rubenwardy yeah, Atom is quite slow to start 18:30 rubenwardy I use Nano when doing something small 18:30 Jordach how does facedir work 18:31 Jordach specifically rotation 18:31 rubenwardy Jordach, black magic 18:31 Megaf rubenwardy: at the moment I just saying regarding building time 18:32 rubenwardy I know :D 18:32 Megaf well, server built 18:35 Jordach rubenwardy, i think i've figured it out 18:37 Megaf !server Megaf Server 18:37 MinetestBot Megaf: No results 18:37 Megaf !server Megaf Server Test Server 18:37 MinetestBot Megaf: No results 18:37 Megaf !up 5.196.88.227 18:37 MinetestBot 5.196.88.227:30000 is up (11ms) 18:37 Megaf Join please? 5.196.88.227 18:38 Megaf I dont have Minetest here... 18:38 Megaf it's a clean vanilla minetest server with default settings 18:38 Megaf join and I will give all privs 18:41 Megaf Thinkerboard looks very tempting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBxi6Q4XlY 18:47 Jordach rubenwardy, facedir isn't black magic!!! 18:47 Jordach IT'S INSANE 18:47 Jordach i realised how it fucking works 18:47 Jordach you know how a tree has six directions it can be on right 18:48 Jordach up, down, north, south, west, east? 18:48 Jordach then there is a rotation flag where it is rotated on it's axis like a spinning top 18:48 Megaf rubenwardy: sysbench --test=cpu --cpu-max-prime=10000 run --num-threads=4 on the Atom N200 at KimSufi = 33.41 seconds 18:49 Megaf with 1 thread on my Linode = 13,7 seconds 18:49 Megaf Linode is damn fast 18:50 rubenwardy what clock speed is the Atom at? 18:50 rubenwardy and the linod 18:50 rubenwardy my server gives 3.48s 18:51 Megaf 54.9 seconds on my Raspberry Pi 2 18:51 rubenwardy i3 at Kimsufi 18:51 Megaf rubenwardy: the Atom is running at 1.8 GHz 18:51 rubenwardy i3 is 3.4GHz 18:52 Megaf rubenwardy: 10 seconds on my MacBook Pro with Core2Duo at 2,4 GHz 18:54 Jordach why does set_node refuse to add a block under a players feet 18:54 Jordach eg looking down and jumping 18:55 IhrFussel total time: 3.6479s (AMD Opteron) 18:57 Megaf more number of threads doesnt seem to affect in a negative way 18:57 Megaf it's just not faster 18:58 Megaf Those ARM boards are way faster than this Atom CPU... 18:59 Megaf the ODroid and ThinkerBoard 18:59 Megaf Atom really sucks 18:59 IhrFussel Megaf, AMD Opteron 3.6 secs with 4 threads 18:59 Megaf thats impressive 18:59 Megaf way lower clock than the i3 and almost same performance 19:00 Megaf https://youtu.be/8qBxi6Q4XlY?t=535 19:00 rubenwardy Megaf, it's only likely to be faster if you have more core than threads 19:00 rubenwardy or hyperthreading 19:01 rubenwardy 3.52s on my laptop 19:03 IhrFussel 1 thread takes 14 secs on my dedi, 2 threads 11 secs, 3 threads 5 secs , 4 threads 3.6 secs, 5 threads 3.7 secs 19:09 Megaf execution time (avg/stddev): 9.9732/0.00 19:09 Megaf 1 thread, in my Linode 19:12 Megaf sysbench --test=memory run --num-threads=1 19:12 Megaf 8261.30 MiB transferred (826.12 MiB/sec) time elapsed: 10.0001s 19:12 Megaf for the Linode 19:14 Megaf 28246.73 MiB transferred (2823.64 MiB/sec) Core2Duo 2,4 GHz 19:28 IhrFussel That test took 65 secs on my machine 102400.00 MB transferred (1572.08 MB/sec) 19:30 Megaf KimSufi total time: 134.4062s 19:31 Megaf 102400.00 MB transferred (761.87 MB/sec) 19:37 IhrFussel What's the optimal parameters to test my file IO values? 19:40 Jordach how do i get the buildable_to flag in nodes 19:41 sfan5 (minetest.registered_nodes[node.name] or {}).buildable_to 19:42 Jordach was about to do that 20:01 red-001 can someone just lock the oldcoder topic? It's just going to fuel him and whatever passes for logic in his mind. 20:12 sofar Hi red-001 20:12 sofar we missed you! 20:12 red-001 yeah long time no see 20:18 shivajiva I think we have to deal with it there, locking the topic won't help, who knows what the title of the next one will be. It needs moderating properly though, links and personal remarks can't be allowed to turn it to a circus 20:24 Aerozoic HA, anybody else notice in the craft guide the image for carts is upside down? 20:24 Aerozoic Oops, i meant on mobile version only ^ 20:50 Fixer e x p a n d i n g m e m o r y 21:00 * benrob0329 contemplates redoing the book texture 21:28 * Jordach laughs 21:30 Jordach i wrote my own facedir placement system that doesn't suck balls like a pachinko machine 22:20 benrob0329 I kinda wish that generated normalmaps were removed, or at least renamed to "Generated Normalmaps" 22:20 benrob0329 They really do look bad on a lot of stuff 22:24 IhrFussel That's weird...I thought you cannot take privs from the admin...or does it work via minetest.set_privs() without /revoke ? 22:34 Calinou benrob0329: generated normalmaps aren't meant to be used seriously, yeah 22:39 Jordach IhrFussel, if name = name in minetest.conf, they have full access and cannot be revoked 22:39 Jordach ever 22:40 IhrFussel Jordach, then I wonder why /revoke name fly takes my priv as admin 22:40 Calinou Jordach: "name" should be renamed to "dictator" to fully reflect this behavior 22:40 * Calinou hides 22:40 Jordach phillips hue 22:40 rubenwardy Jordach, false 22:40 rubenwardy they now have the same access as singleplayer 22:41 rubenwardy because of the creative privilege bullshit 22:41 * Jordach only has one mode 22:41 Jordach survival 22:43 Fixer yeah, I noticed that creative thing is kinda ~~~~ 22:43 Fixer not ~~~~, but somewhat unconsistent 22:45 Fixer https://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue54/111-1.jpg 22:52 IhrFussel rubenwardy, my server uses 0.4.16 stable and I'm able to revoke my privs...is that really intended? 22:54 IhrFussel Could it be a side effect from sauth?? 22:55 IhrFussel I recebtly started using sauth on my server...maybe that's related 22:55 IhrFussel recently* 22:58 Shara IhrFussel: just tested on a server with and a server without sauth, and it does appear to be sauth related 22:58 Shara shivajiva: ^ bug for you 23:08 IhrFussel Shara, thanks for checking^^ It can only be sauth cause I recall I tried to revoke my privs a few weeks ago (before using sauth) and it never worked ... I noticed it because there is a command on my server that disables certain privs to play fair and it suddenly affected me 23:20 Megaf Shara: I'm giving a Crash Course on Linux tomorrow :) 23:20 Shara Giving to who? 23:21 Megaf I'm thinking about first defining what Linux actually is, definitions of Kernel, Operating System and User Land 23:21 Megaf Then brief history on the mother distros 23:21 Megaf And showing how to install a Linux distro, during the install I will talk about file systems and root structure 23:22 Megaf Finishing speaking about package management and then maybe some terminal commands 23:22 Megaf Shara: to a lecturer on my college 23:22 Shara Nice 23:22 * Shara would come listen, but probably can't travel that far on short notice :P 23:22 Megaf hah 23:23 Megaf You could totally make in time. It will be around 15:30 23:24 Megaf It will be my first lecture on Linux, I think it's nice it will be one to one for this first one. 23:27 Megaf Shara: but what you think about the strucure for the lecture? As writen above. 23:28 Shara It seems to make sense. 23:30 Megaf I will be using the expert install mode of Debian, so the installer will also give a nice skeleton for topics to talk about 23:30 benrob0329 Megaf: maybe mention UNIX somewhere as the inspiration for it 23:30 Megaf So it will cover for instance, user creation 23:30 benrob0329 Oh, and Linus's original post :P 23:31 Megaf benrob0329: sure will do, will speak briefly about UNIX, Sun OS, BSD and Minix 23:31 benrob0329 👍 23:31 Megaf I think with those I cover teh whole UNIX tree 23:32 benrob0329 Minus OSX, but I wouldn't blame you for leaving that out 23:32 Megaf Actually, macOS is BSD 23:32 benrob0329 Maybe a side note that FreeBSD's userland was forked by Apple 23:33 Megaf So I might make short notes on the things that came from those 4 origins 23:33 benrob0329 Cool 23:33 Megaf from SunOS we have Solaris, OpenSolaris, Open Indiana and Nexenta OS 23:34 Megaf from BSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, NeXT Step, 23:34 benrob0329 can't really complain, your being thorough 23:34 Megaf from NeXT Step there's Open Step and then Mac OS X 23:34 benrob0329 DragonFlyBSD, TrueOS 23:34 Megaf but the lecture is on Linux, 23:34 Megaf DragonFly is FreeBSD 23:34 benrob0329 Sort of 23:34 Megaf and TrueOS I'm not sure, FreeBSD too? 23:35 benrob0329 Its a fork 23:35 Megaf yep, but again, it's about Linux 23:35 benrob0329 TrueOS is definitely FreeBSD 23:35 Megaf that's why I'm only mentioning the 4 major origins and some of it's ramifications 23:35 benrob0329 Its literally FreeBSD with extra tools afaik 23:37 benrob0329 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Unix_history-simple.png 23:37 benrob0329 Megaf: ^^ 23:37 Megaf benrob0329: I know that :) 23:37 Megaf will use duckduckgo images to ilustrate some stuff 23:37 benrob0329 Just giving you a slide :P 23:38 Megaf oh, there's AIX too 23:38 Megaf I should mention AIX I think, still quite relevant 23:41 Megaf I did't prepare anything, like slides or anything. I will just have some USB flash and ISO and VMs 23:42 Megaf Though I've been structuring the thing on my had for the past week 23:55 Megaf I didnt make slides because I will be using a whiteboard 23:59 Megaf :+1: 23:59 Megaf hm 23:59 Megaf benrob0329: how did you make the thumbs up?