Time Nick Message 00:00 Natechip paramat: i made my own fork with the help of Shara: https://github.com/stolven11/minetest-1 00:00 paramat cool 00:01 Shara Natechip: welcome to the group of, hmm, 800+ people who got that far yet :) 00:01 Natechip hehe 00:01 Fixer Calinou: brutal doom is huuuge win 00:03 Fixer Calinou: this is on par with some bestest Duke Nukem bloodiest battles 00:03 Calinou yep, it's pretty nice 00:03 Calinou also good for deathmatch 00:10 Fixer sooo much fun 00:11 Fixer that soundtrack 00:11 Fixer weapons 00:11 Fixer effects 00:11 Fixer good night 00:29 shivajiva paramat: how do I get minetest version so I can conditionally support earlier code? 00:29 rubenwardy shivajiva, what for? 00:30 paramat network protocol version? 00:30 rubenwardy version check is a bad idea, you should try using features or the availability of functions 00:30 rubenwardy if it's a server checking client compat, then check the client's protocol version 00:30 rubenwardy minetest.get_client_info or smth 00:30 shivajiva want to add the earlier settings format conditionally dependant on minetest version 00:31 rubenwardy if minetest.settings then -- new way 00:31 rubenwardy else -- old way 00:31 rubenwardy end 00:32 shivajiva hehe so obvious retrospectively , ty 00:34 ircSparky is cotton supposed to grow when you plant wheat? 00:36 rubenwardy lol 00:36 paramat heh no 00:38 Natechip LOL ircSparky 00:38 ircSparky well, on my server, when players plant wheat, a few of the seeds turn out to be cotton 00:38 Shara Are you sure they're not just planting some cotton ones as well? 00:38 ircSparky maybe its because the engine is new and my default is old 00:39 ircSparky yep 00:39 ircSparky I planted the wheat seeds myself 00:39 shivajiva that's random behaviour, how often does it happen 00:41 ircSparky i have 4 cotton plants in my 9x9 farm 00:48 Shara ircSparky: Have mods running which might change farming? 00:49 ircSparky no 00:50 ircSparky it started after i updated my minetest engine, so im guessing there is a bug with an older version of farming or default 00:51 Natechip guys 00:51 Natechip freenode just got k-lined attacked 00:51 Natechip by bots 00:51 Natechip check #freenode O_o 02:06 paramat further improvements, i can make stalactites and stalagmites line up vertically, such that they can meet and create columns ^_^ 04:19 jas_ overlays for textures now missing? (protector logo is missing off my protector node.) 04:19 jas_ be back in a bit 05:40 jas_ it's just the inventory_image. 05:40 jas_ and wield_image(?) 10:31 red-001 hi Megaf 10:31 Megaf Hi red-001 10:46 nerzhul hi 10:47 Raven262 Hello everyone. 10:47 red-001 hi IhrFussel 10:48 IhrFussel Hello guys^^ how's it going? 10:51 Megaf IhrFussel, that -> http://www.met.ie/nationalwarnings/default.asp 10:51 Megaf winds at 50 KM/h right now 10:54 IhrFussel Megaf, Berlin had a 115 km/h storm recently ... or I should rather say the majority of Germany East 10:56 IhrFussel Hundreds of trees fell, bus, train, tram, subway had to stop for a few hours ... it was brutal 10:57 Megaf my college is closed 11:19 shivajiva strange looking sky today in the UK, yellow, orange and green today 11:20 Shara Was yellow here when I woke. 11:41 Fixer https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/severe-flaw-in-wpa2-protocol-leaves-wi-fi-traffic-open-to-eavesdropping/ 11:41 Fixer what a great time 11:45 nerzhul Fixer, yeah 11:45 nerzhul just update when patch available 11:45 nerzhul hopefuly i'm on a openbsd it should be fixed asap, or not working 11:52 nerzhul i search the iamge where someone uses many plug convertors (5-8 convertors) to plug a mouse from USB to PS2 to parallel, etc 11:53 nerzhul do you remember this image ? 11:53 Fixer https://www.krackattacks.com/ 11:54 Fixer "you should also update the firmware of your router" kekekekekkkekekeekk 11:54 red-001 I think that means flash it with openWRT 11:54 Fixer rip 11:54 red-001 too bad my router doesn't have enough memory for that 11:55 nerzhul i found it: https://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/500x_chain-usb1.jpg 11:56 Fixer i need to update clients too? that is fucked up 11:56 Fixer so all of this shit around is vulnerable and can be exploited and will never update, thanks to shiteconomy 12:06 Megaf Oh boy!!! Storm is ariving where I live now! 12:07 Megaf Beginning to rain and extremely windy 12:30 IhrFussel Seems like there's no callback when entities on the map are unloaded...that's bad 12:55 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh4WURZoR98 15:01 jas_ re: skin format/cape support. it's fascinating to me because i actually select skins to use that explicitly don't have a cape, because of the clothing mod and cape craftitem that's used instead. 15:02 jas_ so if stujones11 continues to support capes in clothing mod, dropping/changing skin formatting wouldn't bother me; but yeah there's always been capes in my MT experience 15:40 IhrFussel Is there an easy way to get the pos between the player and a certain radius? Like I want to make a command that forceloads all blocks in a radius of 20 15:42 rubenwardy playerpos + normaliseddirection * radius 15:42 ThomasMonroe couldnt you loop through a cube checking to see if the pos's are within the radius? 15:42 rubenwardy wait, saw latter bit 16:10 atorian37 a Player put lava on the surface of my landscape, how can I get it away? it looks very strange, I am not sure but I thought I saw it desappearing and appearing again...whats that? 16:18 lisac atorian37, did you try placing a node inside it? 16:18 lisac the source, ofc. 16:18 shivajiva if you have wordedit installed us the remove liquid function if you cant determine the source node 16:19 shivajiva +e 16:19 Shara I've seen liquids fading in and out of the ground with no source before. WE is a good fix (and could have even been the cause) 16:22 shivajiva I must have removed 5-6 million nodes of water before they added that feature 16:23 shivajiva replacing both source and flowing with air 16:23 Shara Been there :) 16:24 ThomasMonroe atorian37 the reason it was disappearing and reappearing was due to having the wavy water shader enabled 16:25 shivajiva when stomchaser put the server up, one of the players decided they wanted to be surrounded by water, 2.5 million nodes later and storm found himself in a huge lake, top trolling of a new server :) 16:27 shivajiva funniest bit was he was miffed that I removed it the second it became my server 16:51 atorian37 :) ok... so that what happen was not a bug or a hack but it was made by the player with the possibilitees he has anyway? 16:53 atorian37 thanks, to place a cobblestone helped a bit... but have to investigate if theres more of it because the player was without adult surveiance :( 17:01 atorian37 strange: a player has left his bones and they do not get old bones, are still fresh but he played yesterday? 17:17 jas_ nodetimer stuck? when is 0.4.17? 17:19 sofar when it's done 17:19 sofar inspector mod can show nodetimer values 18:29 Calinou evening :) 18:30 Krock hello Calinou O/ 18:30 Raven262 o/ Calinou 20:05 Fixer viiiiiiiibes 21:17 Natechip ... 21:18 benrob0329 VanessaE: does anyone actually have a new character design idea for MTG? 21:18 Natechip benrob0329 whos M!TG? 21:18 Natechip MTG* 21:19 Wayward_One Minetest Game 21:19 benrob0329 Natechip: Minetest Game 21:19 Natechip duh 21:19 Natechip im just dumb I guess :P 21:20 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1235 21:20 Natechip looking for new character 21:21 VanessaE benrob0329: idk. doubt it though. 21:22 benrob0329 Some don't want MC compatible skins, and VE is saying that we don't need NIH syndrome. However if we had a new design that needed more detail, then it would make sense 21:22 VanessaE I can guarantee you the vast majority of MT users want MC skin compatibility. 21:23 VanessaE and probably just about all server owners, too 21:23 benrob0329 VanessaE: well, it'd need to take head movement into account (sofar's idea) as well as armour/cloths, and wielded items 21:23 Natechip +1 21:23 benrob0329 And then you have that 21:24 VanessaE head movement is orthogonal to player model format. 21:24 sofar it just really depends on your perspective of things 21:24 sofar I really don't like having 2 layers of clothes in a single texture 21:24 VanessaE I've seen the old 1.0-compatible model move its head before with a mod (hacky, and horrible for net bandwidth, but it worked) 21:24 sofar that stuff should be a different material 21:24 benrob0329 The problem is that MT usually has NIH, or MC copycat syndrome, which is sad 21:24 VanessaE sofar: that much is true, but it's way too late for that now. 21:24 sofar NIH is a bullshit term 21:25 sofar it's a troll stamp to criticize redesigns 21:25 sofar sysvinit was NIH 21:25 sofar debian was NIH 21:25 VanessaE sofar: in this context, it's legit. 21:25 sofar benrob0329 was NIH 21:25 Natechip if they really want a new skin then they can do it their selfs and learn to make one, its easy enough 21:25 benrob0329 No it isnt, its a real term because some dont like not having created something (and even admit to it) 21:25 VanessaE because we already HAVE something useful that doesn't need to be redesigned, and which if redesigned would not be any better. 21:26 sofar MC keeps changing their skin layout too 21:26 VanessaE re-UV-map our existing boxy model to accept a 1.8 skin, and be done with it. 21:26 VanessaE MC has changed it only once to my knowledge? 1.0 and 1.8 21:26 benrob0329 VanessaE: Unless actually made better, in which case it'd be justified 21:26 Calinou they change it once or twice, IIRC 21:27 Calinou which is pretty infrequent, in 8 years :) 21:27 sofar it doesn't matter much anyway, since skin layout is per-server 21:27 sofar every server can change it as badly as they want 21:27 sofar unlike MC 21:27 * VanessaE sighs 21:27 benrob0329 MTG is the default, we need sane defaults 21:27 Calinou I don't know of any server which does this 21:27 Calinou (there's no reason to) 21:27 Natechip are we making this a copy of minecraft? 21:28 VanessaE Natechip: no, we are not. but we already use MC-format skins and have for years. 21:28 VanessaE there's nothing to be gained by changing to some other format 21:28 VanessaE and a lot to lose. 21:28 Natechip VanessaE: i dont see anything wrong with current ones 21:28 sofar frankly I've lost any interest in mtg at this point, so don't bother listening to my opinion 21:28 VanessaE Natechip: that's the point - there's nothing wrong with current skins, either 1.0 or 1.8. 21:29 benrob0329 Natechip: the entirety of MT is, realistically born from MC 21:29 Natechip ok 21:29 Shara Personally I'd rather not need to change the skins used on my servers. Haven't read enough to be sure, but if a change would break that for me... ugh? 21:29 Natechip sofar: interested in subgames now? 21:29 sofar don't use that swearword, please 21:29 sofar either call them games or modpacks 21:30 sofar :P 21:30 Natechip ill stick to subgames, anyways. 21:30 benrob0329 Shara: converter script once, and not having to do it again 21:31 Shara But benrob0329, effort :( 21:31 benrob0329 Unlike not where we can loose most detail because the bottom is usually just cut off 21:31 benrob0329 *now 21:31 benrob0329 And arms/legs mirrored 21:31 Natechip something I think we should get rid of are these invisiable skins... 21:31 Natechip they are annoying 21:32 Shara Invisible skins? 21:32 Natechip invisible* 21:32 Shara What invisible skins? 21:32 benrob0329 Fully transparent 21:32 Shara SHouldn't that be the choice of the server owner? 21:33 sofar mt servers enforce all skin content, so, irrelevant 21:36 benrob0329 I think the discussion is probably moot anyways since no one who was interested in working on it actually posted their work 21:50 Fixer MTG as in MC beta 1.7.3 clone *cough* 21:54 Fixer sofar: we are all NIH 21:55 Natechip 21:55 Fixer Natechip: ask any questions in public here 21:56 Natechip Fixer: nvm, i already got it 21:58 Fixer Natechip: much faster response in chat, *if someone is not afk, we afk a lot sometimes 21:59 Fixer maybe minecraft skin design is not that bad, at least they have plenty of skins and even online tools to draw you own one 21:59 Fixer minetest should just decide what is best, choices are here 22:07 * benrob0329 sent a long message: benrob0329_2017-10-16_22:07:36.txt 22:24 rubenwardy runbendy are you the real admin ? 0-0? 22:24 rubenwardy ._. 22:26 Natechip i own minetest i will ban u if u dont make me admin Natechip! 22:26 Natechip rubenwardy ^ 22:27 rubenwardy lol 22:27 Natechip i get that a lot 22:27 Natechip or use to 22:27 rubenwardy didn't know OldCoder played Minetest! 22:27 Natechip LOL 22:28 Fixer rubenwardy: Bender, it is you! 22:29 rubenwardy ? 22:29 Fixer rubenwardy: runbendy, felt futuramic for a moment 22:29 paramat hehe 22:30 Natechip *cough cough* 22:30 Natechip when only paramat understands ur joke 22:34 red-001 Natechip, well meepjeep said it, it must be true 22:35 Natechip red-001: nah I made that up 22:35 Natechip lol 23:20 Sokomine what on earth is kelp? 23:20 rubenwardy type of seaweed? 23:20 rubenwardy !g kelp plant 23:20 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Giant kelp, Kelp Forest, Plants & algae, Macrocystis pyrifera ... - This majestic giant of the kelp forest grows faster than tropical bamboo—about three to five inches each day in our exhibit and 10 to 12 inches in the bay. Under ... , Simply Hydroponics - Benefits of (8 more messages) 23:21 rubenwardy ShadowBot really sucks 23:21 Sokomine rubenwardy: thanks! couldn't guess that from the discussion :-) 23:50 Fixer Sokomine: https://i.imgur.com/p8SGEZT.png