Time Nick Message 00:21 jas_ Natechip: *yawn* but of course! hehe 00:21 rubenwardy shivajiva, one 00:21 * jas_ breaks 00:21 rubenwardy *doen 00:21 rubenwardy **done 00:33 jas_ https://imgur.com/a/MHHsr 00:34 Natechip shivajiva: did that cause the grant on join? 00:34 Natechip jas_\ 00:34 Natechip jas_* 00:34 jas_ o/ 00:35 Natechip jas_ PM 00:35 jas_ what 00:35 jas_ do you 00:35 jas_ want 00:35 Natechip XD 00:35 jas_ lol 00:35 jas_ play on dcbl with me 00:36 Natechip whats that 00:36 jas_ otherwise i'm going to tend to my TODO, like add more stuff to it. i don't play on a lot of other servers natechip but 00:36 jas_ if you got one you're into right now i'll play there for a bit 00:36 jas_ which one? 00:36 jas_ dcbl.duckdns.org is mine, but it requires 0.5.0-dev 00:36 Natechip Legends of Survival 00:36 jas_ ok 00:36 jas_ give me 1 sec 00:37 Natechip minetestservers.ddns.net:48637 00:37 jas_ i don't even have my keys set for 0.4.16, i hardly play it 00:37 jas_ i'm adding this to my TODO: make mese_crystals non-physical and damage_per_second 00:38 Natechip llol 00:38 jas_ and allow crystalline bell to take last plant stage (currently it doesn't dig all the way) 00:39 Natechip r u joining Legends Of S 00:39 jas_ there's a lot to do, but i really need to look at armor/tools 00:39 jas_ ok i'm ready 00:39 jas_ *sips coffee* 00:40 Natechip minetestservers.ddns.net:48637 00:40 jas_ i'm downloading the medias 00:40 jas_ all the medias 00:40 jas_ wow i forgot what 60fps felt like 00:41 jas_ haha collision entity highlight box is +1 Y 00:51 jas_ nice server 00:51 Natechip jas_ ill join urs. one sec im sorting something 00:52 jas_ ok 00:52 jas_ i have a lot of items 00:52 jas_ i gave away a lot, and i lost a lot. some are in bones and random scattered and hidden chests. 00:53 jas_ i only had the server open for like a week, before the cutoff, and i'm still finding bones and stuff left behind 01:03 jas_ anyway, if you join i'll show you some basic jumps if you want. you gotta do [use][sneak][jump] to get certain places, and quickly. there's no fast/fly/noclip mode, and you need binoculars to zoom and mapping kit for map, and i kept subterranean eye. dunno what they'll do for minetest_game but it looks to me it won't have radar in survival mode :O 01:05 Shara Okay, almost scared to say it, but I think DarkLands is fixed now. 01:24 Natechip Shara: Darklands is urs? 01:24 jas_ Natechip: you forgot about me :'( 01:24 Natechip jas_? 01:24 jas_ lol 01:24 Natechip wait 01:24 Natechip im joining now 01:24 jas_ how COULD you? oh ok 01:24 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/8NlkdRtLwo.png 01:25 rubenwardy Calinou ^ 01:25 rubenwardy good for stopping noobs taking weapons 01:25 Natechip lol 01:26 Shara Natechip: Red Cat and Dark Lands are both mine. 01:26 Natechip Shara: cool 01:26 Natechip jas_: what IP and port? 01:26 jas_ it's in the server list, it's "dcbl" 01:26 jas_ and it's dcbl.duckdns.org:30000 01:27 jas_ and 0.5.0 has search bar, so just type it or 01:27 Shara DL has been smacked hard with issues lately, but no weird lag spikes now, not getting anymore crashes and max_lag staying well under 1 again 01:27 jas_ i think 0.5.0 also puts only 0.5.0 at the top 01:27 jas_ so hehe i'm at the top somewhere i think 01:27 jas_ (somewhere in my mind hehe) 01:27 Natechip jas_ cool 01:28 Natechip OHH 01:28 Natechip i remember u now :) 01:28 Natechip whos lag? 01:28 shivajiva I tried sauth on skyblocks and it sat at 0.1 most of the time and I've never seen it do that 01:28 jas_ in other news i recently obtained a quintuply compressed cobblestone. i need to make the digging times longer for them 01:28 jas_ ye i used to use the name everamzah 01:28 Natechip shivajiva is not lying! I was a witness :P I even spammed down some cars and it stayed at 0.1 01:29 * jas_ heads back outside for a respitory treatment 01:30 Natechip shivajiva: to add sauth do you just replace auth.txt with it? 01:31 shivajiva sauth reduces whatever auth file size you had to just the amount of payers in game at any one time, it's like having a fresh auth but keeping the records 01:31 shivajiva *players 01:31 shivajiva payers huh, I wish :) 01:31 Shara Don't we all :P 01:32 shivajiva just add the mod, it will take care of your auth,txt 01:32 Natechip okay 01:32 Natechip better not grant shivajiva all ;P 01:33 shivajiva if it's big, you get a dump file, if it's <360 records it imports it immediately 01:33 rubenwardy ircSparky: I'm starting to do lots of updates to ctf and ctf_pvp_engine, I'll also look at things you've done in your fork and try and back port them if that's ok with you 01:33 shivajiva nate that was gamehub 01:33 paramat thanks for translating 'urs' for me =) 01:33 Natechip shivajiva: oooohh. makes sense. 01:33 Natechip also did you get to fixing the player_clean with jails bug 01:34 Natechip shivajiva ^ 01:34 shivajiva nope, pls make an issue 01:34 Natechip okay 01:36 jas_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OebqNsNRBtU 01:37 Natechip shivajiva: https://github.com/shivajiva101/player_clean/issues/1 01:38 Natechip jas_ thats better then Its Everyday Bro :P 01:38 jas_ it took me an hour to get where i was going \ and to top it all off, it was snowin' 01:38 shivajiva thanks, I'll get round to it soon 01:38 jas_ i'm alone again, naturally 01:39 Natechip shivajiva: cool, thanks :) let me know when u fix it 01:39 shivajiva you will get emails now you posted an issue 01:39 Natechip HURRAY 01:40 Natechip welp 01:40 Natechip time to mess with my website 01:40 Natechip i need to add stuff to my mods page there... 01:41 jas_ aw 01:41 * jas_ rewinds 01:43 Natechip ? 01:43 jas_ it's a good song, and i like biz markie 01:44 jas_ so i rewinded it to the start, and played it again 01:48 jas_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzzQisxu3Ho -- anyway natechip if you decide to check it out, let me know what you think 01:49 Natechip jas_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxGCs_jxKfc&index=42& 01:49 jas_ hold on let this one finish i love it. there's a fume, in this truck 01:49 jas_ especially the second half. but please, let's keep it on-topic HAHA 01:50 Natechip lol 01:51 jas_ you haven't tried 0.5.0-dev yet, natechip? 01:52 Natechip no 01:53 jas_ not my taste, that one. try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUC2EQvdzmY 01:53 Natechip where to find 01:53 jas_ now, you should try to get current minetest and help me test dcbl 01:53 jas_ or not :D 01:53 jas_ i think there's windows builds. are you on linux? 01:53 jas_ i _think_ there's windows builds, but maybe not 01:54 Natechip HEY someone made a batch file! 01:54 jas_ close enough? a lot easier if you're on linux 01:54 jas_ i don't even think minetest2 works on windows/mac 01:54 Natechip im on windows, switched from linux. I need windows for a lot of my programs I have 01:54 jas_ whoops 01:54 Natechip im on windows, switched from linux. I need windows for a lot of my programs I have 01:54 Natechip is this the dev? https://github.com/minetest/minetest 01:54 jas_ i've bought windows for certain things before, i been there 01:54 jas_ yes Natechip that is dev 01:54 Natechip kk 01:55 Natechip jas_ give me like 10-20 mins 01:55 Natechip i gtg do a few things and download dependencies 01:56 jas_ before you said "one sec" and it's been this long; i can only imagine what 10-20 mins is 01:56 jas_ alright man if you need help, i can't because i'm on linux 01:57 Natechip LOL 01:57 Natechip i got stuck on the sqlite part 01:57 Natechip but im fine i think 01:57 jas_ ye you don't need that 01:57 jas_ too bad it's tricky to dual-boot 01:58 jas_ i gave up trying after a year or two and just did either/or. too bad linux can't run windows. 01:58 jas_ or, too bad ms doesn't port it 01:58 jas_ i worry because, i think minetest right now is hard to compile on windows/mac (never tried) and i heard minetest can't be compiled on android right now. 02:04 Natechip ThomasMonroe: i shut down MM forever 02:04 Natechip also 02:04 Natechip ppl on ur server are using mine bots to get diamonds and gold 02:04 Natechip lol 02:04 ThomasMonroe what kind of bots? 02:04 Natechip jas_ use virtual box? 02:05 Natechip ThomasMonroe: a CSM i think? 02:05 ThomasMonroe or they are just using basic robots wisely XD 02:06 Natechip nope 02:06 Natechip its that XxGhost_jasonXx person 02:06 Natechip Block has most of the stuff 02:07 jas_ it's not the same 02:07 Natechip jas_ so just dont bother with the sqlite stuff or compiler? 02:07 Natechip jas_ so just dont bother with the sqlite stuff or compiler? 02:07 jas_ if i run a vm the performance isn't up to snuff 02:07 jas_ i don't know, i just type make 02:07 jas_ and poof, a binary appears 02:07 jas_ dunno how it is on windows, i've never compiled anything there. i did qbasic is dos once 02:08 Natechip isnt sqlite used to generate the world? 02:08 jas_ but if you're just connecting you can use dummy 02:08 jas_ it's for saving map as sqlite database 02:08 jas_ it could be dummy, sqlite, postgresql(?), redis, leveldb... 02:09 Natechip so i rlly dont need it if im just joining a server 02:09 jas_ i think that's right 02:10 Natechip mmmmeeeh ok 02:11 jas_ dummy should be built right in, so it'll be ok with that 02:11 jas_ never tried is all 02:11 ThomasMonroe Nate what exactly were they doing? 02:14 Natechip ThomasMonroe: using a script to automatically find diamonds then go to them and mine them 02:15 Natechip ask XxGhost_jasonXx she was very responsive 02:15 ThomasMonroe she? 02:16 ThomasMonroe im talking with him now 02:16 Natechip oh its a him 02:16 Natechip my bad 02:16 ircSparky rubenwardy, that would be awesome! the more you take from my port the less I have to do to update :P 02:24 ThomasMonroe hey ircSparky 02:29 ircSparky hey 02:33 Natechip paramat: getting this error when compiling minetest dev 0.5.0 with cmake: The system is: Windows - 10.0.15063 - AMD64 02:33 Natechip think its the wrong settings or something? 02:35 Natechip jas_ u know what... maybe ill just boot off of a usb onto my other pc 02:36 Natechip XD 02:37 jas_ that's true, i forgot about that 02:37 jas_ it's easy to just run linux off a usb stick occasionally 02:37 jas_ sometimes a bit tougher to get persistence, but it's worth it 02:38 Natechip jas_ ill just use linux mint cinnamon 02:38 Natechip 64 bit 02:39 Natechip i have a ISO image for like all linux OS's saved on a hard drive XD 02:40 jas_ https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ too 02:40 jas_ i've never even tried a redhat based gnu/linux distro 02:40 jas_ well, actually rh4.2 was my first linux, but i bricked it and gave up for a few years 02:42 NatechipDaBoss ok 02:42 NatechipDaBoss has_ 02:42 NatechipDaBoss jas_ 02:42 jas_ yeeees? 02:42 NatechipDaBoss windows did not like my formatting there 02:42 NatechipDaBoss it just crashed my pc 02:42 NatechipDaBoss :O 02:43 jas_ there's a minetest daily ppa apparently 02:43 jas_ you can put that on your stick 02:43 NatechipDaBoss yea 02:43 NatechipDaBoss I mighr just put linux on my second pc 02:43 NatechipDaBoss annndd blue screen of death -_- 02:43 NatechipDaBoss RIP windows 02:45 jas_ i keep dying trying to make this mese crystal farm 02:45 jas_ in lava 02:45 NatechipDaBoss WINDOWS LIVES 02:46 NatechipDaBoss lol 02:47 NatechipDaBoss noice 02:48 Natechip jas_ its fixed 02:48 Natechip hurray 02:48 jas_ good job 02:48 Natechip about to boot linux 02:49 jas_ ye it's easier to have a windows box and a linux box, then to dual-boot in my experience 02:49 Natechip man... I miss this 02:49 jas_ but the usb stick helps 02:49 Natechip yes 02:49 Natechip also I have an extra PC 02:49 Natechip so 02:49 Natechip :D 02:49 jas_ if you can get it to save your stuff, it's a lot better. still slow, but not too bad 02:49 Natechip get what to save stuff 02:49 Natechip my USB? 02:49 jas_ otherwise you're gonna have to install minetest on it, or whatever, every time you boot from it 02:50 jas_ unless you got persistence on it already? 02:50 Natechip oh 02:50 jas_ (i have to do this part manually) 02:50 Natechip :/ I need to install linux to it anyways 02:50 jas_ well usb sticks generally are read-only, and don't save your stuff (like background image :D)... so you need to enable "persistence" somehow 02:50 jas_ and then it will 02:51 jas_ so if you have a 16gb stick, and linux takes 2gb, you should have 14gb to save stuff to 02:51 Natechip 14gb stick 02:51 jas_ for example 02:52 jas_ i got a huge micro sd card the other day. blows my mind. 02:52 Natechip lol 02:52 jas_ i got one sd that's 1gb, super cool, it snaps in half and turns into USB 02:52 jas_ haven't seen another like it, i'm sure they're out there 02:52 Natechip O_o 02:52 * jas_ looks 02:53 Natechip uuughh 02:53 jas_ https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/516yQn1LKhL.jpg 02:53 Natechip windows needs to update before I can wipe it lol 02:53 jas_ that's the one 02:53 Natechip kool 02:53 jas_ good for when the machine doesn't boot from sd 02:54 * jas_ steps away for coffee and a stretch 02:54 jas_ waiting for these mese crystals to grow 02:56 Natechip why 02:56 Natechip isnt 02:56 Natechip my USB stick being recognized! 03:04 Natechip maybe it needs to be UEFI... 03:06 jas_ sounds like windows has taken hold 03:06 jas_ gnome does that to me sometimes 03:06 jas_ i don't even know why i'm running it right now, but it's sweet 03:06 Natechip jas_ i gtg 03:06 Natechip ill be back later 03:06 jas_ no complaints so i haven't removed it 03:06 Natechip will u be here 03:06 jas_ oh ok i'll ttyl 03:06 jas_ most probably 03:06 Natechip later? 1 hour 03:07 Natechip maybe hour and 30 03:07 jas_ yep, i'm up all night 03:07 * jas_ queues the beck song 03:07 Natechip k 03:08 jas_ then i'm gonna stream if you're not gonna connect 03:08 jas_ i typically can't do both 03:08 jas_ but first 03:09 Natechip stream? 03:12 jas_ yes to twitch 03:12 jas_ haven't started yet gotta rewind this song 03:12 jas_ can't stream utube songs, it'll mute the video 03:13 jas_ so i usually play dark ambience off freesound/archive.org 03:13 jas_ or slowed down aphex on youtube, it doesn't pick that up i don't think 03:14 paramat Natechip i have no idea about your error message 03:14 jas_ paramat do you have windows? 03:15 jas_ can you compile minetest HEAD there? what about android? 03:15 jas_ i heard it wasn't possible to compile current git on android 03:15 jas_ is that true? 03:15 paramat i have no windows, my house is dark 03:15 jas_ and i wonder about mac 03:15 jas_ ye torches it is 03:15 jas_ you live in a cobble hut don't you? admit it hehehe 03:18 jas_ https://twitch.tv/jastvn 03:33 Natechip jas_ im ready 03:46 paramat yes i use linux. O/ 04:12 Natechip jas_ 04:20 jas_ HI 04:20 jas_ i don't see you 04:20 jas_ brb 04:24 jas_ connecting? 04:24 jas_ compiling? 04:25 Natechip jas_ 04:25 Natechip idk how to compile it LOL 04:25 jas_ oh you're on that live stick? 04:25 Natechip yes 04:25 jas_ you're gonna have to install packages and get the source and compiling it each time 04:25 jas_ unless you get persistence. 04:25 Natechip yes ik ill do that 04:26 Natechip tmr ill install arch 04:26 jas_ you mean on your system, instead of a stick? 04:26 jas_ well, that's easier 04:26 Natechip yes 04:26 Natechip but tmr 04:26 jas_ did i mention i like debian? never tried slackware 04:27 Natechip it actually looks pretty nice from ur streams :) 04:27 Natechip ok 04:27 Natechip so I downloaded dependencies 04:28 jas_ neat thx. i can show whole desktop (1080) or just minetest window (720) 04:28 Natechip :D 04:29 jas_ this is the only jump i "made", it's based off a grief someone did to my hut 04:29 jas_ i'm going to make an easier jump course/track 04:29 Natechip what do i do 04:29 Natechip after dependecies 04:29 jas_ get git 04:30 jas_ git clone git://github.com/minetest/minetest.get 04:30 jas_ git clone git://github.com/minetest/minetest.git 04:30 Natechip k 04:30 Natechip so basically download source 04:30 jas_ read the README.md, and get the deps make sure. and do cmake . -LH to see all options 04:30 jas_ yes 04:30 jas_ but get git, cmake at least 04:30 jas_ and after that, you can get what you lack easily 04:31 Natechip jas_ do I download minetest_game 04:32 jas_ if you like 04:32 jas_ makes the media fetch quicker 04:32 jas_ but do it inside minetest/games 04:32 jas_ so 1) git clone git://github.com/minetest/minetest.git 04:32 jas_ 2) cd minetest/games and then git clone git://github.com/minetest/minetest_game.git 04:33 Natechip k 04:33 Natechip done and done 04:33 jas_ ye definitely making an easier course 04:33 Natechip i can choose and cmake option? 04:34 jas_ if you just do cmake . that's fine 04:34 jas_ it will pick up what it needs 04:34 jas_ by default it is a system-wide install 04:34 jas_ if you want it to run from the download directory that git clone retrieved, you do cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 04:35 Natechip ok 04:35 Natechip I did cmake . 04:35 Natechip now what 04:35 Natechip ._. 04:35 jas_ make 04:35 jas_ did it not complain? 04:35 jas_ so, you must have gotten all the deps 04:35 jas_ make will tell you for sure 04:35 Natechip its missing some stuff 04:36 jas_ ok install what it's missing 04:36 Natechip it says Could NOT find ... 04:36 jas_ at least get the stuff mentioned in README.md 04:36 jas_ (there's an apt get line mentioned in that file.) 04:36 Natechip WOOPS 04:36 Natechip I JUST KNOCKED THE USB OUT OF PLACE 04:36 Natechip XD 04:36 Natechip RIP 04:37 Natechip u know what 04:37 Natechip lets just install debian tmr and do it then 04:37 Natechip :D 04:37 Natechip jas_ cya later, ill just do it tmr 04:37 jas_ OKIE DOKIE 04:37 jas_ ttyl 04:37 Natechip laters 09:36 tenplus1 hi folks 09:38 Amaz Hello ten :) 09:39 tenplus1 hi amaz 09:41 * tenplus1 thinks of a way to stop mobs jumping on carpets 09:42 Krock ti tenplus1 09:42 tenplus1 hi krock 09:42 Krock ^ hi 09:43 tenplus1 thought you were going for "ti amo" there :P)))) 09:45 Krock huh 09:45 tenplus1 ehehehehe 09:45 tenplus1 s'ok 09:52 tenplus1 I could make it so that mobs can only jump when standing on "normal" nodetype... but taht limits jumping on stairs/slabs... 09:52 tenplus1 hi sniper 10:04 tenplus1 hi Megaf 10:04 Megaf hey tenplus1 10:04 Megaf hows things? 10:07 Megaf Trying to move my /usr to a different device 10:07 tenplus1 good ta... good luck with that :P I only have a separate /home 10:07 Megaf I have a separate /home too 10:08 Megaf now I want to have a separate /usr, because space 10:09 tenplus1 lol... my '/' partition is 30gb and the rest of the ssd to /home... never really needed anymore than 30gb 10:10 Megaf /dev/sdb2 3.8G 1.3G 2.6G 34% / 10:10 Megaf /dev/sdb3 3.8G 3.1G 764M 81% /usr 10:10 Megaf hm, my /usr is already a different partition, I dont need to rsync, I can just dd. cool 10:11 Megaf and as you can see, I dont have much space 10:12 tenplus1 ahh 10:12 Megaf /dev/mapper/sda4_crypt 3.7G 1.3G 2.5G 35% /home 10:16 Megaf will rsync it, better 10:16 Megaf it will defrag on the process 10:31 tenplus1 hi fixer 10:31 Raven262 Hi ten, Megaf 10:31 Raven262 Hi Krock 10:31 tenplus1 o/ raven :) 10:31 Krock hi Raven262. Your number must be really have a purpose. Now the screenshots topic page.. 10:31 jas_ i love defrag 10:32 Raven262 The time has come, Krock. 10:32 tenplus1 hey jas 10:32 Raven262 Just for what, i ask myself. 10:32 jas_ mornin' 10:32 Krock Raven262, the time comes to pass. isn't the logic? 10:32 Krock *that logic 10:32 Raven262 Yeah. 10:33 Raven262 But every time comes to pass, why would this one be special then? 10:34 Krock because it's a special time? 10:35 Raven262 Yea, might be. 10:38 Fixer hello 10:48 Megaf Hi Raven262 Fixer Krock ShadowNinja shivajiva red-001 everyone 10:48 Megaf morning jas_ 10:48 jas_ gewd morning ;^) 10:49 Megaf jas_, what part of Europe are you? 10:49 Megaf located, that is 10:49 Megaf maybe America continent 10:49 jas_ new england lol 10:49 jas_ maine 10:50 Megaf cool 10:50 jas_ used to be part of massachusetts but that was a long time ago 10:51 Megaf hows the weather there? 10:51 jas_ well it's starting to really cool down now 10:51 shivajiva Hiya Megaf :) 10:51 jas_ it had warmed back up for a bit, after cooling down in august 10:52 Megaf jas_, I though Portland was in Oregon 10:52 jas_ it was a cold summer, and it's been too dry. growing up, for example, it was "nine months of really bad weather, and three months of really poor sledding." 10:52 jas_ not so much anymore, i feel 10:52 jas_ portland is in maine first heh 10:52 jas_ but it's not The Portland 10:53 Megaf theres two Portlands... 10:53 jas_ we have a work, a bath, a brunswick, all that... lebanon, china, mexico... i live in augusta 10:53 Megaf oh boy 10:53 jas_ i dunno what i meant by work. i do that too 10:53 jas_ not so much work around here, tho, i hear it's mostly healthcare and mills, but the mills got shut down 10:54 jas_ but there's minetest *whistles* back to xdecor 11:12 Calinou hi 11:12 tenplus1 hi Cal 11:13 Calinou rubenwardy: haha, the score restriction thing is nice 11:13 Calinou now Kevin420 won't take my steel swords! 11:14 rubenwardy :D 11:15 Raven262 Hi Calinou 11:15 Raven262 Hi rubenwardy 11:16 Megaf hi Calinou 11:21 IhrFussel CRITICAL BUG in itemframes mod by Zeg9: If you right click one that holds an item it will DROP the item infinitely 11:22 IhrFussel The cause are these 2 lines in the on_rightclick() callback 11:22 IhrFussel if clicker:get_player_name() == meta:get_string("owner") then 11:22 IhrFussel drop_item(pos,node) 11:22 tenplus1 hi fussel 11:23 tenplus1 I rewrote that ages ago to use protection :PP 11:23 IhrFussel I commented the drop_item() out to fix it ... now it will just replace the holding item with the item in hand 11:24 IhrFussel tenplus1, I will look at your version ... is the bug fixed in yours? 11:25 tenplus1 working fine here 11:25 tenplus1 even has technic support to stop movers from affecting frame/pedestal 11:32 Megaf well, I think I managed to migrate my usr with the system running 11:33 tenplus1 o/ caleb 11:33 CalebDavis hi ten 11:33 ThomasMonroe o/ tenplus1 11:34 tenplus1 hi thomas 11:34 shivajiva Hi tenplus, CalebDavis, ThomasMonroe 11:35 ThomasMonroe hey shivajiva 11:35 CalebDavis hi shivajiva 11:35 Megaf tenplus1, yep, /usr moved, it was just a matter of mkfs /device, mount /device /temp_folder, rsync -azv /usr /temp_folder, sync, mount /device /usr, umount /olddevice, edit fstab 11:35 shivajiva ^ just lol 11:35 tenplus1 kewl, all is working :) 11:35 tenplus1 hi shiva 11:36 Fixer "Hi Raven262 Fixer Krock ShadowNinja shivajiva red-001 everyon" lol, no need for that much 11:36 tenplus1 o/ 11:36 shivajiva Hiya Fixer o/ 11:40 shivajiva pinned down a crash in sauth and added caching, it's pretty fast now, exceeds builtin on large auth.txt by a vast margin ;) 11:41 Megaf And also, system is much faster now 11:41 Megaf with /usr in different device, less IO wait 11:42 Raven262 Hi Fixer 11:42 Raven262 Hi shivajiva 11:44 shivajiva Hi Raven 12:04 IhrFussel tenplus1, I can't use your version so easily x/ I forgot that it would render all existing item frames in the world useless 12:05 tenplus1 unless they are in protected area... good point 12:31 lisac hey tenplus1! 12:31 tenplus1 hi lisac o/ 12:31 lisac I found an old copy of Marx's Capital Volume 1 12:31 lisac it's from 1948 12:32 tenplus1 lol 12:40 tenplus1 hi twoelk 12:40 twoelk o/ 12:41 twoelk I inspected some of my caverns on Xanadu lately, with them torches burning only a limited time I sure have a lively community of monsters down there now :-D 12:42 tenplus1 ehehe, try crafting abritorches, those are crystal based and wont burn out 12:43 rubenwardy what mod do you use to make torches burn out:? 12:43 twoelk haven't inspected all the late additions to Xanadu yet. 12:43 rubenwardy https://github.com/tenplus1/real_torch 12:43 rubenwardy ah 12:43 tenplus1 :P 12:44 tenplus1 most of the new updates are 0.4.16 specific after mod updates... got a huge lucky block update waiting to go live 12:44 lisac tenplus1, don't tell me you added torch timers, then bypassed them by adding another torches? :) 12:44 lisac but to be honest, I haven't placed a torch on Xanadu since you added the mod 12:44 lisac I'm using glowglass 12:45 tenplus1 good good... torches are a temporary solution :P 12:45 lisac :D 12:45 rubenwardy If I were to make a survival subgame, I'd do that 12:45 tenplus1 but you can relight by punching with coal powder, gunpowder or even flint n steel 12:45 lisac I've got 998 hours on TF2 12:45 lisac wow 12:46 tenplus1 playerplus has been udpated also with changes ... has suffocation, walking in snow slowdown, sliding on ice and on_walk_over functionality 12:46 twoelk was playing with the redo versions of mobs and farming on a private server. everytime I have studied all the new additions to the code so I can adjust my stuff you push a new update :-P 12:47 tenplus1 :P so long as it works ok 12:47 twoelk on_walk_over? 12:47 twoelk sounds like my old green feet idea 12:47 tenplus1 yeah, if you define a node and it has an on_walk_over function set (to explode, drop, open door etc) playerplus will run it 12:47 tenplus1 yeah, even footstep blocks 12:47 twoelk ah 12:47 Wayward_One hi all :) 12:47 tenplus1 paramat does this aleady 12:47 tenplus1 o/ wayward 12:48 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/1YzDq3bTFU.png 12:48 twoelk well I had a mod that would place flowers or turn stone to grass when walked over - made some nice crashes until I had it working 12:49 Krock rubenwardy, looks more like german to me 12:49 twoelk wonder where I left it 13:20 lisac rubenwardy, нисам сигуран 13:20 lisac maybe 13:20 Fixer rubenwardy: "blue suckers" more or less 13:21 tenplus1 hi CWz 13:22 lisac Fixer, I hope you haven't managed to translate my string to 'blue suckers' 13:28 Fixer "Can't build for Android under Linux on Windows (WSL)" #360 13:29 Megaf what? 13:34 Megaf gotta love this website https://www.materialpalette.com/ 13:34 Megaf there's a colour called deep purple, rock'n'roll 13:51 tenplus1 lol, the anti-cheat system just kicked a player for bouncing on a trampoline 13:58 tenplus1 wb Jordach 13:58 CWz tenplus1, can too many protectors in an area cause lag? 13:58 tenplus1 nope 13:58 rubenwardy does colorise de-texture index textures? 13:58 tenplus1 depending on radius they should be spread out every 2xradius nodes apart 13:59 rubenwardy *does colorise de-color index textures? 13:59 tenplus1 but if they are closer then it's fine :D 13:59 rubenwardy I'm trying to turn the hotbar item selected indicator to blue, but it's red 13:59 tenplus1 CWz: use the protector tool to place them :) 13:59 twoelk lag with protectors might depend on what mischief the players are up to ;-P 14:00 tenplus1 if they are building houses totally out of protectors then that's another thing... ehehe 14:00 tenplus1 hi nrz 14:00 tenplus1 kinda like building a house out of furnaces 14:01 twoelk something like a protection check cascade? 14:01 tenplus1 Protector Redo for 0.5.0 will be a lot faster still once it's cimplete 14:01 Fixer reason? 14:02 tenplus1 I coudl limit protectors within radius to a certain number only... 14:02 Fixer do invisible protectors 14:02 tenplus1 was thiking that 14:03 Fixer sky with protectors just sucks 14:03 tenplus1 and a /protector_hide/show command so display your own 14:03 Fixer tenplus1: maybe some simple tool that shows/hides your/shared/all protectors on use 14:04 tenplus1 problem is making them invisible (airlike) lets falling nodes replace them... that's not good 14:04 Krock tenplus1, btw.. can an "areas" area overlap a protector-area or is that prevented? 14:04 tenplus1 protector redo only checks for overlaps with protector blocks, not areas 14:04 tenplus1 they shouldnt really be run together if possible 14:06 Krock still, some server owners do that :3 14:06 tenplus1 naughty naughty 14:07 twoelk wait, using lots of furnaces as deco causes lag? Oops, might need to redesign some of my builds :-D 14:08 Krock twoelk, //pos1 //pos2 //set air 14:08 twoelk noooo 14:08 tenplus1 furnaces use to use abm's but now they work with nodetimers, so long as they dont contain fuel/items the timer shouldnt be started to no lag 14:08 twoelk ah, my furnace floors and gates are save 14:09 tenplus1 lolol 14:09 tenplus1 whyyyyyyy ? 14:09 Krock saves space 14:09 twoelk you get a deco block with a function out of useless cobble underground 14:10 Krock you can use it as storage and even insert wood if you need to cook something 14:10 twoelk yep 14:10 tenplus1 lol 14:10 * tenplus1 searches floor for cooked meat 14:10 Krock but an entire floor would be too much for me to check 14:11 Krock 4 furnaces are enough for the most cases 14:12 twoelk got some cavern floors made of hundreds of ovens each filled with a stack of cobble - now calculate the cobble I stowed away without spending any wood that can get precious underground 14:13 rubenwardy man, custom hotbar images are verrryyyy broken 14:13 tenplus1 someone should make a sticker set for mt... eyes/mouths/cracks etc you can put on a node for decoration :D 14:13 tenplus1 brb 14:14 rubenwardy turns out I was just being an idiot 14:14 nerzhul rubenwardy, +1 14:14 nerzhul :D 14:14 nerzhul hi tenplus1 e 14:14 rubenwardy in my case I was being an idiot, but they do suck generally 14:17 twoelk sucking hotbar images does sound - sort of - nsfw 14:18 * Krock thinks twoelk should clean his brain somewhen soon 14:20 twoelk pfff - took so many years to train it to detect slippy ground - rather leave it as it is 14:44 tenplus1 hi thomas 14:44 ThomasMonroe hi 14:51 Fixer tenplus1: just change their texture to transperent or make it choose texture of neighb block 14:52 rubenwardy Calinou: https://github.com/rubenwardy/gauges 14:52 rubenwardy couldn't find a repo 14:52 rubenwardy also, your dropbox link is broken 14:53 tenplus1 wb Megaf 14:54 Megaf Cheers 15:03 tenplus1 http://lolsnaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/59de46670a5cb_a44f284b645f96d4377d551e67dc1a80.mp4 15:04 * Megaf mpv it 15:04 Megaf totally worth it 15:04 tenplus1 :PP 15:05 Krock tenplus1, good do- ehm cat! 15:05 tenplus1 I kinda miss the random video selection youtube use to have on front page... 15:05 tenplus1 hi robbie 15:06 Krock tenplus1, update instagram now: https://i.redd.it/1zivd8rur7rz.png 15:06 tenplus1 ? 15:18 * twoelk looks around ... nobody else in the office? ... starting hidden mt from company server ... pssssssst 15:20 tenplus1 lolol 15:28 IhrFussel Hi again 15:28 Krock There's really a page about how to Open-Source: https://opensource.guide/ 15:29 red-001 so many new TLDs 15:31 Krock inb4 mydomain.tld 15:42 red-001 I would expect that to happen soon 15:42 rubenwardy now, shall I install no_guests *thinks* 15:48 Fixer i'm now actually thinking that my previous Pentium 4 PC can be quite good for retro gaming of DOS/W95/98/XP era, drivers should be available (kinda for most parts) 15:49 red-001 rubenwardy, is that mod still useful? 15:49 Fixer with Win98SE installed 15:49 rubenwardy well, it increases the effort to log in - so hopefully dissuade some of the complete idiots 15:49 rubenwardy like, a few it ok, but not if all slots are taken up by them 15:50 red-001 since guests are now just people with a random first name + four digit number¿ 15:50 rubenwardy well, the regex needs to be updated 15:50 rubenwardy but I can easily do that 15:50 Fixer red-001: three digit number 15:51 IhrFussel Fixer, Nope it's 3-4 digits 15:51 Fixer 4 now? holy crap 15:51 Fixer wait till 5 15:51 red-001 did anyone figure out which app does this and dump a name list from it? 15:52 IhrFussel I actually have quite a few "guests" with such names who are active and build normally...which is the main reason why I opened the issue about the punishing of mobile clients 15:52 red-001 issue number? 15:53 IhrFussel red-001, I opened it in the master-server repo 15:53 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/master-server/issues/17 15:53 red-001 IhrFussel, any idea what client does this? 15:53 IhrFussel Many 15:54 IhrFussel It's basically some fork of the source that includes that name list 15:54 Fixer IhrFussel: yeah 15:54 red-001 well could you name any? 15:55 Fixer https://www.multicraft.org/ kek 15:56 IhrFussel red-001, I can install a few from the play store and check if any of them does it 15:57 Fixer IhrFussel: yeah, try it please, i don't really like tempering in shit, be if you can stand it 15:58 IhrFussel Got one: WorldCraft: Exploration Lite 15:59 IhrFussel https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.funketapps.games.worldcraft2 16:00 IhrFussel It lets me change the name but default is "Kirtland752" password is hIBX4P so completely useless if people don't write it own 16:01 Krock how did you even get to the password? 16:02 IhrFussel Krock, the app just gives you a password...you can change it but the default is randomly generated 16:03 IhrFussel In fact each time I go back to the main menu and tap "Multiplayer" I get another name..now it's "Velastegui891" 16:05 Krock You can't filter such names, unless you block the use of three digits in the end of the name. Either weight the players by active time or generate an income for Minetest by selling the top tanks 16:05 Krock *top ranks 16:05 Krock I don't see any other reasonable solution 16:07 sfan5 you can filter them with reasonable accuracy 16:07 sfan5 the server list uses this 16:07 Fixer IhrFussel: ahhhh, so those morons are the reason why auth.txt are cluttered with this useless shit and servers are full of unfinished boxes built with MoronXXX that never goes back 16:07 Fixer is* 16:08 IhrFussel Here's the app repo https://github.com/FunKetApp/minetest 16:08 Krock sfan5, simply by checking against the numbers? 16:08 Fixer issues and PRs conviniently disabled 16:09 sfan5 Krock: ^[A-Z][a-z]{3,}[1-9][0-9]{2,3}$ 16:10 Krock ah yes, I just found the line in server.py 16:10 Fixer IhrFussel: searching for Kirtland does not reveal anything 16:10 IhrFussel I don't consider them guests though, just people who are too stupid to change the name in the field 16:11 Fixer IhrFussel: so it gives you new name no matter what? thats stupid 16:12 IhrFussel Fixer, I didn't check if the app saves my name after connecting to a server..one sec 16:13 Fixer IhrFussel: but you said "In fact each time I go back to the main menu and tap "Multiplayer" I get another name..now it's "Velastegui891"" 16:13 Fixer so thanks to this bullshit our servers auth.txt are exploding in size 16:13 IhrFussel Yes when I go server list -> main menu it changes 16:13 Fixer peace of shit 16:13 Fixer son of a bitch 16:14 Fixer piece* 16:14 IhrFussel But maybe the app saves the name I use to connect to a server 16:14 Fixer IhrFussel: can you check it? 16:14 Fixer it can't be that fucked up 16:14 sfan5 Fixer: the code in the repo is probably not the one actually live, you need to download the app and extract it to find out what it's doing 16:14 IhrFussel Spartz513 is my name now..let's see 16:14 Fixer lol 16:15 IhrFussel LOL it said invalid password on one server...cause someone else with that random name already exists 16:15 Fixer lolol 16:15 Krock hardcoded array of usernames? 16:16 Fixer yes 16:16 Fixer Krock: thats fucked up shit 16:16 red-001 Krock, yes 16:16 Krock like math.random is too difficult to use in mainmenu 16:16 Fixer anyone wants to write up to those "developers" 16:16 red-001 it's in the binary 16:16 Fixer ? 16:17 IhrFussel Fixer, the app remembers the username you chose after you connect to a server at least...but still shitty 16:17 Fixer IhrFussel: remembers for that server? even after reconnect? even after ap^shit^@program restart? 16:19 IhrFussel Names can have 2 digits too so your server list regex is wrong ATM 16:19 red-001 10,700 names 16:20 IhrFussel Antilla80 is my next name 16:20 Fixer IhrFussel: for that server? 16:20 red-001 https://pastebin.com/dJemab0n 16:22 IhrFussel Fixer, the app remembers the last name you entered to connect to a server, no matter which server you select in the list, if you go back to main menu or close the app 16:22 Fixer IhrFussel: but you said it changed somehow 16:22 IhrFussel Which means if people uninstall the app the account will be LOST since nobody can remember such a password "aBuQXI" 16:23 Fixer IhrFussel: nobody is smart enough to write down name and password? what a great time to be alive 16:24 IhrFussel Fixer, if people were smart enough to write their password down they would likely realize that they can TYPE an own name into the name field 16:24 red-001 or 10,709 usernames to be exact 16:24 IhrFussel But they obviously don't 16:25 Fixer IhrFussel: what is worrying me is some deepshits clutter auth.txt files to 40 fucking megabytes, XXX XXX accounts just on one server, this is silly 16:25 shivajiva well this accounts for 10,709 of my 211,000 accounts, what about the other 200K :) 16:25 red-001 shivajiva, it could be more 16:25 red-001 since it adds a random 3-4 digit number to it 16:26 Fixer shivajiva: now question, who the fuck generated 200K accounts? 16:26 IhrFussel red-001, 2-4* 16:26 tenplus1 you woudl be surprised... 16:26 tenplus1 it's good ip_per_names limits it to 3 accounts per uses 16:26 Fixer we need auth.txt cleaner 16:27 shivajiva that's +2 years 16:27 Fixer that checks if account was inactive for some time and purge everything 16:27 Fixer purge all items from the map 16:27 rubenwardy ^[A-Za-z]+[0-9][0-9][0-9]$ 16:28 shivajiva heh that's easy in sauth.... SELECT * FROM auth WHERE last_login.... 16:28 red-001 thats 106,972,201 possible names 16:28 shivajiva makes my 211K look like nothing 16:29 red-001 (assuming that all numbers are used) 16:29 IhrFussel red-001, Did you add all possibilities with 2 and 3 digits to that number? 16:30 red-001 (9999-10) x 10709 16:32 tenplus1 would be nice to have a script that servers could run once in a while to remove names/users that havent been on the server for a period of n months 16:32 rubenwardy does no_guests stop existing players? 16:32 IhrFussel red-001, isn't 10,000 only the possibilities with 4 digits? You need to add 2 and 3 extra I thin 16:33 IhrFussel 0001 is not 001 or 01 16:33 Fixer shivajiva: can you actually somehow analyze your auth.txt? classify filenames, if they have some patterns? 16:33 Fixer classify player names* 16:33 red-001 tbh I haven't given it much though 16:34 tenplus1 hi paramat 16:34 Calinou evening :) 16:34 red-001 considering that you got an account that was already used I wouldn't trust it uses a good random number generator 16:35 Calinou rubenwardy: yeah, there's no repository of gauges, feel free to mirror it, everything inside is CC0 16:35 rubenwardy :D 16:35 Calinou Dropbox links broke a few months ago, they pulled public links entirely :P 16:35 rubenwardy would you like me to transfer the repo to you? 16:35 Calinou sure :) 16:35 * Calinou prays he'll get the transfer email this time 16:35 rubenwardy also, how do you remove "commited by rubenwardy" 16:35 Calinou you can't 16:36 Calinou it's not very important anyway 16:36 rubenwardy done 16:36 Fixer Calinou: downfall of dropbox 16:36 rubenwardy there are a few bugs with gauges 16:36 rubenwardy I have some fixes locally, wanted to test on CTF first 16:37 Fixer i remember hipsters flying over it, taking "more" space via special offers, etc, now it is just shit 16:37 tenplus1 ?? 16:37 Fixer tenplus1: incorrect 16:37 tenplus1 !! 16:37 Fixer tenplus1: someone is impersonating you 16:38 tenplus1 on a server ? 16:38 Fixer here 16:38 tenplus1 they dont have my password, so wouldnt be able to talk in channel ?!?!?! 16:38 Fixer nevermind, ?!?!?! is back 16:39 Fixer you confirmed 16:39 * tenplus1 fwaps Fixer with a trout 16:39 paramat Fixer please could you restrain your cursing? =) (just read logs) 16:39 Fixer https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6525 this needs lieks 16:39 Fixer LIKES 16:39 Fixer paramat: sure 16:40 IhrFussel red-001, 11100 possible combinations ... now calculate it again with the amount of names 16:40 tenplus1 agree'd, rollback needs restrictions 16:40 tenplus1 personally I disable it completely 16:40 Fixer and i said nothing about rollback speed (not secret: it sucks from what I know) 16:41 Fixer still feeling need for some low level tool to clean up inactive player mess on servers 16:41 Fixer or maybe ingame tool 16:41 Fixer say i see flying doors instead of building 16:41 tenplus1 I'm sure that Robbie had a script to do just that, remove old players 16:41 Fixer owned by some dude who will never go play again 16:41 Fixer mark by tool 16:41 Fixer everything from that dude is removed from the map 16:42 Fixer chests, doors, blocks, protections, areas, etc 16:42 Fixer one click removal 16:42 Fixer puff 16:42 Fixer also, my hometown base turns into s--tshow :( 16:42 Calinou Calinou: downfall of dropbox 16:42 IhrFussel 118,869,900 possible name combinations 16:42 Calinou yeah, I use Nextcloud on a VPS now 16:42 Calinou I stopped using Dropbox around 2014 16:42 Calinou by the way, look at my cloak :^) 16:42 Calinou it changed today 16:43 Fixer Calinou: tons of links are broken now, with some rare stuff too, and don't forget those nazis from photobucket 16:43 Calinou I'm no longer unaffiliated, I had that cloak since mid-2011! 16:43 Calinou rubenwardy: I'm not getting the transfer request email, this is the 2nd time this happens :( 16:43 Fixer photobucket spam with that upgrade 400usd insanity 16:43 Fixer i have to ban this crap somehow from my eyes 16:43 Calinou what about imageshack.us? IMAGES HACK US! 16:44 Fixer Calinou: ha? i don't remember this since ever 16:44 shivajiva Fixer I could but I rapidly instigated refusal of players ending in 3 digits 16:44 Fixer Calinou: who even use that? 16:44 Calinou it was popular 7-10 years ago 16:45 Fixer shivajiva: translate failure 16:45 rubenwardy Calinou :O 16:45 Fixer Calinou: yeah, nobody cares about, _and_ it does not spam with this useless "upgrade by paying us 400usd per year", are you silly? 400 USD PER YEAR??? WTAF??? 16:46 tenplus1 hi neinwhal 16:46 Calinou woo, new album from avkh! https://avkh.bandcamp.com/album/telephone-telegraph 16:46 Fixer literally 99.999999% will not pay even 4 usd per year for that 16:46 Calinou saw it today by checking my old email address webmail :P 16:46 Calinou (it's a guy making experimental/electronic CC BY music) 16:46 Fixer Calinou: some good vaporwave? 16:46 Calinou I bought his entire discography last year (half-price, since I bought all albums at once) 16:46 Calinou although I'll have to buy this one $1 :p 16:46 Fixer Calinou: feels hipsterish 16:46 Calinou it is hipsterish 16:47 shivajiva Fixer: I stopped players with numbers at the end from joining only a few days after it started 16:47 neinwhal hi tenplus1 16:47 Fixer shivajiva: imagine if you have not stopped that ;) 16:48 shivajiva Hi neinwhal o/ 16:48 Fixer Calinou: https://www.ghacks.net/2017/06/30/photobucket-now-charges-399-for-third-party-hosted-images/ 16:48 Calinou remember omploader/ompldr? :) 16:48 neinwhal hi shivajiva 16:49 Fixer Calinou: yeah, i've used it 16:49 shivajiva with the throughput skyblock had at the time the file would have hit the top limit and ground to a halt, except minetest has this habit of crashing and wiping files to fix that issue :D 16:50 Fixer shivajiva: use backups 16:50 shivajiva oh I did, it's essential 16:50 shivajiva but with 1000+ players a day it's easy to lose bits 16:51 Fixer lol https://github.com/kzahel/photobucket-embed-fix 16:51 shivajiva I instigated a vpn lookup and 3 days later I was banned for exceeding the limit 16:52 Fixer nice 16:52 Fixer """vpn""" """service""" 16:52 Calinou rubenwardy: oh, the transfer emails arrive on my old email 16:53 Calinou there, I accepted the transfer 16:54 rubenwardy :D 16:54 IhrFussel I hope my random generated name confirmation now puts the "bots on servers" rumor to rest 16:58 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/firefox_2017-10-12_18-58-13.png 16:58 Calinou there, I bought that album :P 16:58 Calinou [229 MB FLAC .zip downloads] 17:03 tenplus1 per track or album 17:05 Calinou per album 17:05 tenplus1 that's not bad... 17:07 tenplus1 I tend to re-compress albums to Ogg Vorbis @ 96kbps (192kbps mp3 equiv) 17:07 Fixer use opus 17:07 sfan5 red-001: this is the code responsible for generating names btw https://i.imgur.com/Sn94Wtj.png 17:08 rubenwardy well, that's unreadable 17:08 Krock ^ 17:08 sfan5 welcome to decompilers 17:08 rubenwardy ah 17:09 Calinou is the name dictionary available somewhere? 17:09 red-001 sfan5, ida? 17:09 Calinou this way, we can reliably block them 17:09 Calinou (without false positives) 17:09 sfan5 red-001: yes 17:09 red-001 Calinou, I pasted a dump 17:09 Calinou red-001: the thing nobody pays for 17:09 * Calinou hides 17:09 red-001 Calinou, pretty sure they know 17:10 red-001 I guess they are counting on companies that need it to pay 17:10 Fixer Calinou: https://pastebin.com/dJemab0n 17:11 Fixer Calinou: iirc that IDA tool was written by one gifted person, kinda 17:12 Krock "bedgood" 17:12 sfan5 unlike everything else, ida actually works reliably 17:12 sfan5 (hopper is probably fine too) 17:12 Calinou a drunk AAA game modder once said, "Where there is not light, there can IDA Pro!" 17:13 Krock common location for programmers 17:13 red-001 Fixer, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilfak_Guilfanov 17:15 Fixer oh, he is in Belgium now 17:17 Fixer NICE! https://github.com/pastudan/photobucket-imgur 17:17 Fixer Re-host your forum's PhotoBucket images on Imgur 17:17 Fixer this is damn useful 17:18 Fixer sapier detected 17:19 red-001 ??? 17:19 Fixer red-001: time to write a mod for banning those guys, or somehow restricting them to one name 17:19 red-001 sapier detected? 17:19 Fixer in -dev 17:19 sfan5 this app actually includes lots of C++ changes that use existing minetest stuff 17:19 red-001 ah 17:20 red-001 sfan5, and let me guess most of them are not pushed to the repo which they claims contains the source code? 17:20 sfan5 (like downloading assets on the fly, parsing stuff using jsoncpp, saving "daily gold counts" in the minetest settings) 17:20 sfan5 none of those are in the repo 17:20 Fixer red-001: not pushed 17:20 red-001 take a look at all the new lua api functions 17:20 rubenwardy issue a GPL code request :D 17:21 red-001 sfan5, any idea how the assets are compressed? 17:21 red-001 I saw similar compression on an iOS minetest clone 17:21 sfan5 pretty sure they are downloaded from a remote server 17:21 red-001 ah so what is the resdata file? 17:22 sfan5 idk 17:23 Calinou how I feel when a game insists on downloading its core assets on the fly: https://twitter.com/doom_txt/status/916143659686363138 17:23 Fixer whats new? Fix bugs 2, Update map... // LMAO 17:23 Calinou this kind of this comes from the mobile hell :( 17:24 Fixer Calinou: mobile = dirty 17:24 Fixer windows = dirty too 17:24 Krock > using a githash-dirty client on linux 17:24 Fixer linux = more glorious, cleaniness (or how it is written), Monk 17:24 Fixer level: Monk 17:25 Fixer f---, this Worldcraft has better rating than Minetest 17:25 Fixer :D 17:25 red-001 extrect_worlds 17:25 IhrFussel Fixer, EVERY 3rd-party app that clones MT has a better rating for some reason 17:25 red-001 I like the alternate spelling they use 17:25 Fixer IhrFussel: probably those chinese click farms? 17:26 Fixer also, look here, they have two clones of minetest o.O https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=FunKetApp 17:26 Calinou red-001: extrekt_worlds 17:26 Fixer both have ads shit 17:26 red-001 Fixer, some iOS devs have 4 or 5 clones 17:27 red-001 well "devs" 17:27 Fixer """"devs"""" 17:27 Calinou [insert Spock here] 17:27 Fixer and nobody from said morons donated a dime for original project 17:28 Shara Impressed they actually credit MT... 17:28 IhrFussel WAIT guys...so if the software downloads its assets on the fly it doesn't need to publish that on-the-fly code? 17:29 Calinou it still does 17:29 Calinou (I think) 17:29 red-001 it does 17:29 Calinou also, the core engine (LGPLv2.1+) is still pre-installed 17:29 Fixer i really waiting for new mod that just bans all those GuyXXXX altogether and gives me back my lawn 17:29 sfan5 the version in the play store is based on at least 0.4.13 since it includes srp stuff 17:30 Calinou Fixer: my server has no playerbase :( 17:30 Krock Fixer, why a new mod? no_guests and name_restrictions can be extended easily 17:30 Calinou I'm expecting players to know how to read a server description 17:30 red-001 the tl;dr for lpgl is you are suppose to have access to the source code for any binary you have access to 17:30 IhrFussel So they thought they could simply clone the minetest repo and make us think that would be the actual source code? 17:30 Calinou IhrFussel: probably 17:30 red-001 sfan5, and it's version string is literaly 0.4.13 17:30 Calinou note: the (L)GPL requires distributing the complete corresponding source code, *even if you have not modified anything*! 17:30 Krock Calinou, the server title is too long 17:30 sfan5 well i verified that the hard way 17:30 Fixer Calinou: i would prefer no userbase to this dirt halfbuild house shit with flying door build by random mobile player once and leaves this garbage on our servers 17:30 Krock doesn't fit into my textlist 17:31 Krock there's no description FYI 17:31 Fixer Calinou: i would prefer actual player who at least tries to build, i don't need yet another halfbuild dirt house + half build mimic of minecraft farm with _unlocked_ chest 17:32 Fixer this is worse than in 2011 17:32 Fixer i'm not here to multiply shitty builds 17:32 Fixer shitty builds should be REMOVED 17:32 Calinou Krock: there is one 17:33 Fixer also, this mod can filter all those untermobile guys to some smallish area on server somewhere on floatland above 17:33 red-001 Fixer, wait for 0.5? 17:33 Calinou the default password is in both the server name and description 17:33 Fixer red-001: and? 17:33 IhrFussel The at least modified the loading bars... I saw a "X% (XX KB / XX KB)" 17:33 red-001 most of these apps wouldn't update 17:33 Fixer red-001: reason? 17:34 Krock Calinou, oh right. 0.4.16-dev client using the 0.5.0 builtin code, that's why it doesn't show up here. But the server title is still way too long :3 17:34 rubenwardy Shara, they legally have to credit Minetest if they add ads or any proprietary code. Still suprising though 17:34 red-001 Fixer, the devs are lazy 17:34 Fixer red-001: why are you thinking that? the flow of money is big 17:35 red-001 for instance the multicraft dev said they don't want to update to c+11 17:35 Fixer red-001: reason? 17:35 Fixer red-001: his religion does not accept cpp11? 17:35 Calinou rubenwardy: they cannot legally add ads or proprietary code 17:35 Calinou by Android's nature (and ad SDK's) 17:35 red-001 something about it breaking something in thier setup or something 17:35 sfan5 Calinou: rest in piece 17:35 Calinou *no* popular ad SDK is open source 17:35 sfan5 (there's ads) 17:35 Fixer and ads are cancer, especially when you show it to kids 17:35 rubenwardy with LGPL, if they rewrite the java they can 17:36 Fixer i would rather show porn then ads 17:36 Fixer than* 17:36 IhrFussel The ads play after you disconnect from a server 17:36 Calinou Fixer: "The Best Dating Site For Singlenodes!" 17:36 rubenwardy but they also have to provide adequate documentation on how to swap out Minetest as a library 17:36 Shara rubenwardy: I know they have to, but yea, like you say. 17:36 IhrFussel And they are 15+ second videos 17:36 Calinou rubenwardy: yeah, but they don't 17:36 Calinou dynamically-linked is allowed, statically-linked isn't 17:36 Calinou (they don't have the source of the ad SDKs) 17:37 red-001 they could just write a wrapper around the SDK 17:38 Calinou that won't fix it, since it still depends on the SDK 17:38 red-001 and distribute that as a dll 17:38 Calinou the only kind of proprietary linking the GPL allows is to system libraries (vcredist, etc) 17:38 Calinou the LGPL works in a similar way, you cannot statically link to proprietary libraries 17:39 Calinou (can you even dynamically link to them?) 17:39 Calinou (barring any kind of exception, we don't have any exceptions added to Minetest's LGPL) 17:39 Calinou for example, GPL programs need an OpenSSL exception to link OpenSSL dynamically 17:39 Calinou since OpenSSL's license is not GPL-compatible 17:40 red-001 https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LGPLStaticVsDynamic 17:40 Calinou yep 17:40 Calinou nobody does 1) 17:41 Calinou (at least, I've never seen a proprietary developer do it) 17:42 red-001 I think some game did that 17:42 sfan5 here's a picture with a few findings https://i.imgur.com/UWATEBk.png 17:42 sfan5 (sorry for huge res) 17:42 red-001 so users could edit the source code 17:42 red-001 but not mess with auth or drm stuff 17:42 Fixer thats not huge by Calinou standards 17:42 Calinou to satisfy 1), you just need to distribute object code (these .o files) or source code under a proprietary license 17:42 Fixer sfan5: good font 17:43 Calinou but for proprietary developers, that's too much trouble 8) 17:43 sfan5 Fixer: you mean the code font? yea it looks good despite missing smoothing/antialias 17:43 red-001 sfan5, huh interesting 17:43 Fixer sfan5: yes 17:43 Fixer sfan5: windows system one? 17:43 Calinou that font and color scheme is ugly :( 17:43 red-001 I could check if it fetches the main menu from the server as well 17:43 Krock looks like notepad++ 17:44 sfan5 Fixedsys Normal 11 17:44 Fixer yeah 17:44 red-001 also is that running under wine or something? 17:44 Fixer that one 17:44 Fixer Calinou: you are just too hip 17:44 sfan5 red-001: obviously 17:45 red-001 the first statement or the second? 17:45 sfan5 what? it's running under wine 17:47 Fixer i've saved that name dump just to be sure 17:48 Fixer if someone wants to write a mod to restrict/ban/movetotheirfloatland for those GuyXXXX players will be nice 17:49 IhrFussel "enable.vipads.vip" F**K off with this VIP crap 17:49 Fixer vipads? it is like VIP AIDS? 17:49 rubenwardy Fixer, no_guests 17:49 Fixer rubenwardy: what it does? 17:49 tenplus1 if there was a way to determine actual landmass at a specific location in floatlands then it would be handy :D 17:50 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8004 17:50 Fixer tenplus1: or generate it ;) 17:50 rubenwardy just don't be lazt 17:50 Fixer now, all those kids from the dump - get of our lawns 17:50 rubenwardy add ["^[A-Za-z]+[0-9][0-9][0-9]$"] = "Please choice your own username. Usernames with letters then 3 digits are not allowed" 17:50 paramat it's possible to predict where floatland terrain will be, in a mod 17:51 tenplus1 how so paramat, I would like that for portals 17:51 Fixer rubenwardy: the problem is - they will still build itty half-finished houses and rarely join again, i need them to go away to some separate realm, floatland whatever, and leave the lawn to proper players 17:52 paramat tenplus1 it's not easy, you have to recreate core mapgen code in lua 17:52 Shara Fixer: play single player or get admin to allow you ridiculously huge protected area 17:52 tenplus1 hi shara 17:52 paramat 'floatlands are too good for them' 17:52 rubenwardy I have a rather large area on RC 17:52 red-001 I have to say that the devs have an interesting site 17:53 tenplus1 paramat: that's going a tad too far to detect land in floatlands 17:53 Shara rubenwardy: Your area is small compared to what some have :) 17:53 red-001 thier main page is just the name of some town in china 17:53 rubenwardy :O 17:53 Shara But feel free to enlarge. 17:53 Fixer Shara: i don't believe in experienced mobile players, there are not to much of them on PC even, yet alone on mobile, they can build in separate kid playground, notable builds can be imported and good builders allowed to build in main area 17:53 paramat tenplus1 it's the only way 17:53 rubenwardy I should probably start building 17:53 Shara Fixer: Sorry, but I can introduce you to a very impressive mobile player one day if you like 17:54 Shara They might be rare, but they exist 17:55 paramat when i say 'recreate', only the basic stone terrain creation 17:55 IhrFussel The actual problem of those players is that they likely have NO CLUE how the game or server works...they don't even know that they are reall playing "minetest" and that they are connecting to a "minetest" server ... they are probably expecting a Minecraft rather than a Minetest 17:56 tenplus1 some expect it to act like minecraft, but once they start exploring and learning they soon get the hang of it and enjoy themselves 17:57 IhrFussel 99% of people search "Minecraft" in google play and look for the next best "free" app that has some kind of "craft,build,mine" in its name and download it 17:58 IhrFussel The other 1% (or even less) actually knows about Minetest and searches the right name 17:58 tenplus1 wb thomas 17:59 IhrFussel And that explains the good ratings for those other apps...since they appear higher in search results for "Minecraft" 17:59 Krock does any of them provide the source code? 18:00 tenplus1 am looking forward to 0.5.0 release for that alone... so current players will need to use official game to get onto their worlds 18:00 IhrFussel tenplus1, yes but many will just leave and uninstall the game as soon as they realize "that's not mc!!!11" 18:00 tenplus1 wb caleb 18:00 CalebDavis thx ten 18:01 tenplus1 fussel: and that's why we need a script to run that scrolls through player files and removes the ones over 6 months old or older 18:01 tenplus1 whittle down the list 18:02 Krock tenplus1, you'd also have to check the player active time 18:02 Krock otherwise you could lose your own account :3 18:02 Shara I have it easy on RC... every so often I remove all players that have the nointeract priv 18:03 Shara (apart from admin account of course) 18:03 Shara If they never managed to get interact, it means they never built or did anything... so no reason to keep them. 18:03 IhrFussel This works good for a simple "last login" check: ts=$(date -d "6 months ago" +%s); awk -F: -v "my_timestamp=$ts" '$4 > my_timestamp' auth.txt > newauth.txt 18:03 Shara Last time I reduced from 34mb auth to under 3mb... 18:04 tenplus1 nice reduction... 18:05 Shara Yea... 18:05 Shara And I completely recommend sauth to anyone with a large auth file and no good way to reduce it 18:05 IhrFussel With the above command I reduced mine from 20 -> 12 MB 18:06 tenplus1 am scared to look at xanadu's :P 18:06 Shara sauth took DL from sitting at 6 max_lag right back down to under 1. 18:06 Shara So kind of huge performance gain. 18:07 Shara And since I served as the lab rat, I probably ran into all the bugs and left none for the rest of you :P 18:08 rubenwardy I managed to avoid them in sauth 18:08 rubenwardy just in sban 18:08 Shara rubenwardy: out of curiousity, how big was your auth file when switching to sauth? 18:08 rubenwardy 0 18:08 Shara No wonder then :P 18:09 rubenwardy :C 18:09 Shara DL's was 40+mb 18:09 rubenwardy * :D 18:09 sfan5 .setMessage((CharSequence)"Please give a 5 stars rate to unlock VIP map. Thanks!") 18:09 sfan5 good one 18:09 rubenwardy not a very good tester 18:09 rubenwardy urgh 18:09 rubenwardy that broken English 18:10 sfan5 red-001: https://pastebin.com/aSLdfCrz 18:10 rubenwardy make sure to add any Android and iOS Minetest forks to https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16707 18:10 IhrFussel The lag problems I have are rather caused by globalsteps https://pastebin.com/xSFZGjp8 18:10 Fixer sfan5: what VIP map? 18:10 sfan5 i dunno either 18:11 sfan5 new AdColonyUserMetadata().setUserAge(26).setUserEducation("bachelors_degree").setUserGender("male"); 18:11 Fixer IhrFussel: can you paste fuller table? 18:11 sfan5 🤔 18:11 Fixer sfan5: lel 18:11 Fixer lelelelelel 18:11 rubenwardy lol 18:12 rubenwardy that's not accurate 18:12 rubenwardy new AdColonyUserMetadata().setUserAge(13).setUserEducation("elementary").setUserGender("male"); 18:12 Fixer so kids got porno ads and usual enlarging 18:12 Fixer it is all useless 18:12 Fixer ads are useless 18:12 Fixer most of the time 18:13 Fixer what is horrifying is other: drug ads on TV, now thats huge cancer 18:13 tenplus1 o.O for that alone I'd stop kids using ad based games 18:13 Fixer buy this and it will cure (etc) no wonder it not only does not cure but you spend money on shit or worse (homeopathy) 18:14 red-001 huh it has a custom server list sfan5 18:14 red-001 http://jsoneditoronline.org/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmisc.dreammakerwh.com%2Fgameassets%2FToClient.php%3Fiosver%3D1 18:14 Fixer Shara: considering posting your results here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18604 18:15 IhrFussel Fixer, http://ihrfussels-server.tk/report.php 18:15 red-001 rubenwardy, I guess they are also trying to scam thier ad providors 18:15 Shara Fixer: I already did 18:16 sfan5 red-001: the ability to push certain new settings to clients is quite innovative 18:16 red-001 I do agree 18:16 IhrFussel Or wait 18:16 red-001 but I don't think thats what they are doing 18:17 IhrFussel Fixer, https://pastebin.com/Gtigeabj 18:20 sfan5 red-001: it's what they are doing https://pastebin.com/ZsLsfGp8 18:20 * Calinou downloads the latest NVIDIA driver 18:20 Calinou it has… OpenGL 4.6 18:20 tenplus1 windows or linux ? 18:20 Calinou I'll never need it, but it sounds so cool! 18:20 Calinou Windows of course :p 18:20 sfan5 that one ads setting is read here from g_settings, so it must be that the results from php are written into it 18:20 tenplus1 be careful if it's a win10 update, has been known to break 18:23 red-001 lol thier asset site is great 18:23 red-001 "If you want to buy hunganhotel.net, send me email please :) patrick.cahill09@gmail.com" 18:25 Calinou hotelsmadeofcobblestone.com 18:25 Calinou could be a best-seller… 18:25 rubenwardy cobblestonehouses.com 18:25 rubenwardy even better 18:25 rubenwardy cobblestonehouses.io 18:25 rubenwardy sell that to Fixer for $$$$ 18:25 rubenwardy he's love it 18:26 tenplus1 stoneblobs.oeg 18:30 tenplus1 Q. should mobs only jump when standing atop a "normal" full node ? 18:30 Calinou they should be able to jump while standing on slabs too? 18:30 Calinou and stairs 18:30 Calinou just like players can 18:31 red-001 sfan5, I think I understand why they did this 18:32 red-001 it's so they can generate new apps faster if they need to 18:33 red-001 wait no that doesn't make that much sense since they hardcode a lot of stuff 18:35 sofar looks like I'll be switching to sauth, ... and sban too 18:36 tenplus1 o/ sofar 18:36 Shara Hi sofar 18:36 sofar been worried about auth.txt growth for a while now 18:36 Shara Definitely worth it if that auth file size is creeping up 18:36 sofar 800k already 18:36 tenplus1 oof 18:37 Shara Just look at the lag values DL reports now compared to your tests before 18:37 sofar filesize, not player count :) 18:37 tenplus1 ohh, lol... was wondering there 18:37 sofar 2200 lines in auth.txt 18:37 IhrFussel Still nobody was able to confirm the bug I reported? It's just a simple copy&paste into a init.lua and toggle between profiler on/off to reproduce x/ 18:38 Shara sofar: That's still tiny :) 18:38 sofar yeah, but only 668 players actually made it past login 18:38 sofar so I'm gonna have to autoprune that once in a while 18:38 sofar 2/3rds of players connecting to my server never finish login 18:38 rubenwardy Runtime error from mod 'ctf_team_base' in callback LuaABM::trigger(): Node name is not set or is not a string! 18:39 sofar (all android) 18:39 rubenwardy what does this even mean :/ 18:39 * rubenwardy searching Minetest 18:39 Shara Yup. As I said earlier, deleting all players with nointeract (means they never left the start area) on RC, reduced my auth file from 34mb+ to under 3mb 18:39 rubenwardy *searches 18:39 sofar btw, why only 360? 18:40 sofar shivajiva: ^ 18:47 sofar shivajiva: set it to 3600, it had no problems, didn't notice any lag 18:47 sfan5 red-001: it has pre-made zip files with requires assets for each server http://misc.dreammakerwh.com/gameassets/us.espteam.org_30000.zip 18:48 * sofar is now running sauth as well 18:48 sfan5 i'm not sure exactly why tho 18:50 shivajiva I was being conservative sofar, server owners don't appreciate the server hanging on startup for 3 or 4 mins 18:51 shivajiva I know it's only the first time but I didn't want to worry people 18:51 shivajiva the dump is far quicker method for a 50 MB file 18:52 sofar shivajiva: 3600 took a second, if at most 18:52 sofar well, 2200 took a second, if even that 18:53 sofar I'd maybe print some progress info, but the conversion only happens once 18:53 sofar so even if it takes a minute, I wouldn't worry 18:53 shivajiva yea I did an 80MB in about 5 mins, it really isn't that bad 18:53 Fixer Shara: nice, basicly 90% players just visiting? 18:54 Shara Fixer: 90% is people with stupid weak devices or people who can't read either english or german to get out 18:55 Shara (or who refuse to try to read) 18:56 shivajiva I'd really like dev to incorporate the features of sauth into builtin, playing on a server that only sees the players playing from a priv checking perspective is a big improvement 18:56 tenplus1 would be handy 18:56 Shara Would be good. 18:57 Shara Still can't get over the performance gain. 18:58 shivajiva it's only when you start counting the priv checks that it becomes apparent that it's a bottle neck 18:59 Krock cache it? 18:59 shivajiva yup, that's what sauth does 18:59 Krock fine :) 18:59 shivajiva it reduces the view to only the players playing 18:59 red-001 https://github.com/gameabc/worldcraft/blob/master/src/com/abc/GameActivity.java 18:59 paramat please do open issues for anything that will help servers or combat low quality players 19:00 Shara paramat: low quality players can only be dealt with by lots of moderators. 19:00 red-001 looks like they copied code from that 19:00 Shara If you penalise against all app users, you'll tie up decent players as well 19:01 Krock default_password = this_is_complicated_to_enter_the_first_time helps too 19:03 Fixer paramat: i would not call it "low quality players" but "low interested players" people who kinda place two blocks and move on to next game 19:03 Fixer paramat: and ofc ruining look of the server in the process 19:03 Fixer perfectionist likes a e s t e t i c s 19:03 Fixer one flying chest ruins it all 19:04 Fixer Raven262: how is that Craigs server clean up going? 19:04 Krock Fixer, here some more a e s t e t i c s: https://youtu.be/m5vAoOrZiSg?t=3m36s 19:06 Fixer paramat: i had some fun time with WE and "just test" world save, my conclusion - 80% of everything is garbage architecture that needs to be removed, you ended with pretty clean looking space server that feels very different, open space and such 19:06 Fixer Krock: not in VHS format 19:06 Fixer i have TV out on this card, maybe it is time to unbox The VHS 19:06 Raven262 Fixer, Well, day by day it is all more abandoned. 19:06 Raven262 We seriously need players there. 19:07 sofar shivajiva: can you please check this: 19:07 sofar https://gist.github.com/ahkok/b9effd2b48d40a190904fedf1b75ef97 19:07 Fixer Raven262: it is just server needs renovations 19:07 Raven262 I would be happy if someone except for only SG would play. 19:07 Fixer Raven262: 1) move spawn to new more fresh location with place to builds 19:07 tenplus1 good idea 19:07 Fixer Raven262: 2) Remove those half-build KEBABS 19:07 sofar I think that's a great way to prune the sauth db 19:07 Raven262 Fixer, I know. 19:07 Fixer Raven262: 3) remove all those flying doors/chests etc (relocate them to lost and found) 19:08 Fixer Raven262: 4) add some activity on forum 19:08 tenplus1 do any anarchy servers still exist ? 19:08 Raven262 Lisac and I had this idea: we organize an event in which builders build a new spawn. Next we vote for the best one, and then that one is the spawn for the next 6 months. 19:08 Fixer Raven262: the problem is when someone joins at spawn, you need to walk really long time to find a free spot to build 19:09 tenplus1 I like that raven :) has players be part of the main server... 19:09 Fixer Raven262: there must be relatively free and fresh new spawn that is not taxing on hardware on pffers free space 19:09 Raven262 Indeed, we do need an open area teleport and some cleanup. 19:09 tenplus1 iska and noob101 build xanadu's spawn 19:09 Raven262 tenplus1, Xanadu's spawn is awesome, i love the design. 19:10 Fixer Xanadu spawn is good example, maybe too big for my taste, but at least it offers not a big fps penalty 19:10 Fixer some server owners may dislike this 19:10 tenplus1 thanks :) we've hidden 5x stargates in spawn and the 4 main paths also 19:10 Raven262 Is there a big FPS penalty on Craig's spawn? 19:10 Raven262 I never noticed it. 19:10 Fixer Krock: this has the bestest comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU8HrO7XuiE 19:10 Fixer Raven262: yes 19:11 Raven262 Hmmm, will have to talk to lisac about this. 19:11 Fixer Raven262: spawn is in the middle of the city 19:11 Raven262 I have some ideas. 19:11 shivajiva I like that sofar, good first round cleaner 19:11 paramat do we have a configurable client-join timeout time limit? if not would that help anyone 19:12 Krock Fixer, yeah. the vacuum cleaner comment repeats quite frequently there 19:12 sofar i'll probably run that every server restart 19:12 Fixer "What if cinderella was a baking slave instesd of cleaning slave and her name was mozzarella" 19:12 Fixer this is ground breaking 19:13 Fixer ground breaking off topic 19:15 shivajiva yea, makes sense, keep the payload of the cleanup small 19:16 sofar I just put it in as an ExecStartPre= in the service unit 19:16 sofar right next to the mtmapprune 19:19 sofar now I just need sban to replace xban2 (I'm not too happy with the interface) 19:19 sofar and something to keep env_meta.txt from being written every 5 seconds 19:21 IhrFussel sofar, map_save_interval .. I set mine to 60 19:21 sofar oh, that affects env_meta.txt? 19:21 tenplus1 same 19:22 sofar huh, I could care less 19:22 sofar I have time_speed = 0 19:22 sofar I could set it to 3600 19:23 IhrFussel It affects auth writes too I think 19:23 sofar I just switched to sauth... 19:23 IhrFussel Actually nope...the last auth access was 13 minutes ago 19:24 Raven262 Fixer, I've been searching for a random place to make a new spawn, but then i found: https://i.imgur.com/ZUZe2t9.png 19:24 sofar https://i.imgflip.com/1xi5s2.jpg 19:24 Raven262 These dungeons are so nice. 19:24 tenplus1 lol 19:25 Fixer Raven262: spawn should not be that far from first one 19:25 Fixer Raven262: somewhere on the town outskirts IMO 19:25 Raven262 20000 and 20000 nodes from old spawn? 19:25 Krock shivajiva, I just noticed that using sauth doesn't/can't check for similar names once a new player joins. Side effect: EsmeraldaLetsPlay and EsMerAldALetsPlaY are both possible 19:25 Raven262 We are making a whole new thing here. 19:25 paramat hm how about a setting for the initial spawn point in a world? 19:26 paramat not always as close as possible to 0,0? 19:26 sofar shivajiva: btw, if you want to move sban/sauth into minetest-mods, that'd be cool, of course 19:26 sofar I get it if you don't, ofc 19:26 tenplus1 Krock: wasnt that dealt with already by checking on join for lowercase nicks and stopping them in default already ? 19:26 Raven262 I thought that it can be set in .conf already, paramat. 19:26 Krock sofar, and somewhen there's the point where people notice that using postgresql would be faster 19:26 Krock tenplus1, sadly only available for the default auth method 19:26 Fixer what is sban? 19:27 Fixer google does not show 19:27 Shara Fixer: bans as bans should be done 19:27 sofar Krock: yes, but, for insidethebox where our map is <25mb, it really doesn't need that 19:27 paramat i don't mean 'fixed spawn point' though, that doesn't search for terrain level 19:27 Fixer krocksearch and google give no result 19:29 tenplus1 click 'dis fixer: https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?keywords=sauth&sr=topics 19:30 paramat hm maybe not very useful actually. i'd rather have a scattered spawn option 19:30 Fixer tenplus1: hs, forum search actually finding anything? nioce 19:31 Fixer "This mod depends on the lua module lsqlite3" this part sucks 19:31 shivajiva Krock: only thing I can think of is to add a function that retrieves from the whole db for such cases 19:31 Krock Fixer, link not found? FTFY 19:31 tenplus1 wait, I gotta install that seperately ??? 19:32 Fixer tenplus1: via luarocks or smth 19:32 Krock shivajiva, or a manual implementation for each backend, which seems easier right now 19:32 shivajiva luarocks install lsqlite3 19:32 tenplus1 o.O so I need to isntall luarocks to isntall sqlite3 to run sauth... eek 19:33 shivajiva lol it's trivial tenplus 19:33 Shara tenplus1: worth it 19:35 shivajiva on a server there's a reasonable chance you would install luasocket via that method for the irc mod 19:42 tenplus1 shiva, this line: https://github.com/shivajiva101/sauth/blob/master/init.lua#L42 is the numbers in brackets field sizes ? 19:42 Raven262 Fixer, is the Craig's spawn reducing the FPS really that much? 19:43 Raven262 Nobody else seems to notice a drop. 19:43 Fixer Raven262: if you have low level cpu - yes 19:43 Fixer Raven262: depends on cpu/gpu/vrange 19:43 Fixer Raven262: and your settings 19:43 Fixer Raven262: it is in the middle of the city, what fps are you expecting? 19:43 Fixer 300? 19:44 Fixer city centers are slow, on any servers 19:44 Raven262 60 19:44 Raven262 its not that bad really 19:45 Raven262 vrange is 100 and i'm playing without most of the shaders. 19:46 Fixer Raven262: hit my fps cap at 100 with vrange 100 19:47 Fixer same with vrange 160 19:47 Raven262 Wait 19:47 Raven262 30 fps when looking at this wall full of nodeboxes 19:47 Fixer it gets slower when you load more blocks 19:47 Fixer 80 fps 19:47 Raven262 I think its cause of the nodeboxes. 19:47 Fixer 60 fps now 19:50 Fixer Raven262: at spawn with vrange 160 when blocks loaded around - 36 fps 19:51 * tenplus1 is getting 240fps 19:51 tenplus1 vrange of 5 19:51 tenplus1 :PP 19:52 Fixer Raven262: just walking around that lake, with vrange 160, i should say about 3/4 of the views had acceptable fps (above 60), with my core i3 + ati X800 gto 19:53 Raven262 AMD A8 7600 here, around 50 at spawn, 60 stable in the lake area. 19:53 Fixer acceptable 19:54 Raven262 Nodeboxes drain lots of FPS though, check out RHR's area. 19:54 IhrFussel tenplus1, the time mob_step() takes to execute is based on how many mobs are loaded in the player area? 19:55 Fixer Raven262: moving spawn to different location should also motivate players to build new stuff 19:55 tenplus1 wut ? 19:55 IhrFussel I just saw 450ms in the profiler for zombies on_step() 19:55 tenplus1 the more mobs the more on_steps per mob, yes 19:55 Raven262 Yes indeed, Fixer. 19:56 tenplus1 but.. all depends if using default mob step function or custom per mob functions 19:56 tenplus1 mob registry settings can reduce it right down 19:56 IhrFussel zombies don't have any custom functions so it must be mob_step 19:56 Raven262 But making only a "spawn building" is not all. We now have the chance to create a new public mine, and some nice tree/cotton/wheat farms 19:57 Raven262 Also some easily accessible shops 19:59 IhrFussel tenplus1, is there a way to kinda limit the mob_steps()? I guess I'd have to give each mob an ID and identify them by that to determine whether they should run their mob step or ignore 20:00 tenplus1 depends on what you want mobs to actually do 20:00 tenplus1 you can limit by settings alone, making sure pathfinding isnt enabled for example 20:01 IhrFussel I don't want to have too many execute their step code at once (since some players own A LOT of animals) 20:01 tenplus1 reduce walk chance in animals then, that'll stop it executing a lot of steps 20:02 tenplus1 then they just stand around a lot :) 20:02 tenplus1 with the odd chance of movement unless interacted upon 20:02 IhrFussel Or perhaps I should add another "timer" to their definition and compare that on mob_step() ? 20:02 tenplus1 you can 20:03 tenplus1 remember certain functions are timed though, 20:03 IhrFussel True...like attacking players I guess 20:04 tenplus1 yup, that happens on a live step so it can follow/attack/pathfind etc 20:04 tenplus1 shoot timers spawn from that 20:04 tenplus1 also switching between melee and shoot attack 20:04 IhrFussel damage per second too I think 20:05 tenplus1 yeh 20:07 tenplus1 fussel, after line 2523 (latest api) add a timer: self.newtimer = (self.newtimer or 0) + dtime, if self.newtimer < 0.25 then return else self.newtimer = 0 end 20:07 tenplus1 that'll still work but reduce steps quite a bit 20:11 tenplus1 nite all o/ 20:14 rubenwardy > bans Abcdef123 nicks 20:15 rubenwardy > gets "ppp", "123", "1", "3005" 20:16 rubenwardy ah, all but the first were before today 20:16 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/Vz5cBNm.png 20:17 Fixer rubenwardy: do not ban them, just send them to Hell (some smallish locked area just for them away from pcmasterrace) 20:17 rubenwardy not banned, just access denied 20:18 rubenwardy this is CTF, the base is that place mostly 20:18 Krock Fixer, are they using the nyan cat illegally there? I hope they don't 20:18 Fixer rubenwardy: or other way, detect those Abcdef123 and ban by IP ;) 20:19 Krock rubenwardy, oh, the profile isn't deleted after leaving? I thought it would 20:20 Fixer nyan can 20:20 rubenwardy no, players have a score, Krock 20:21 rubenwardy with kills, deaths, ko, captures, attempts, score 20:21 rubenwardy and the auth is saved 20:24 IhrFussel I tried to improve IO reads/writes by not checking the idle state and updating the timestamp at once but giving every online player a dedicated timer and only execute the idle check code when the timer is up...but it STILL reports 300ms in the profiler...HOW? 20:40 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/Discord_2017-10-12_22-39-07.png 20:40 Calinou my Discord account is 1 year old today 20:40 Calinou ~~1 year of memes~~ 20:41 Krock D A N K M E M E S 20:49 * Fixer still have no discord or anything 20:53 garywhite how do you even see when your Discord was created? 20:53 Calinou some bots can tell you 22:01 Megaf Shara, Tropical storm is coming http://www.thejournal.ie/hurricane-ophelia-3642276-Oct2017/ 22:01 Megaf t r o p i c a l 22:01 Megaf in Ireland 22:02 Megaf just lol 22:02 Shara I am more liking to die from the spacing thing than the storm, I think. 22:02 Shara likely* 22:02 Shara Or from the mods. Death by mods! 22:32 Fixer locate and destroy s t r o g g leader 22:33 rubenwardy Calinou, may I pm? 22:36 Calinou rubenwardy: yes 22:37 Calinou Or from the mods. Death by mods! 22:37 Calinou Death By Oerkki 22:37 Calinou trust me, they'll exist on Earth by 2025, Elon Musk said so 22:40 IhrFussel Anyone got a clue what could make file writes so slow on Ubuntu? 30ms to write "echo $(date +%s) > file" 22:42 IhrFussel First I thought it would be lua only so I shut down the MT server ... then I stopped my web server and all other scripts that write to files ocassionally ... but even with everything disabled it takes 10-30ms to write to files from the terminal 22:42 IhrFussel Is it the HDD? 22:43 Calinou an HDD's access time is 15-30 ms 22:43 Calinou that seems logical 22:43 Calinou a SSD's access time is < 1 ms, usually around 0.2 ms or so, if I'm not mistaken 22:43 IhrFussel Calinou, that can't be...my HDD on my local machine takes 2-3ms to write to a file and it's not a SSD AFAIK 22:47 Fixer quake 2 - refinished yet again 22:47 Fixer quake 1 is next 22:51 IhrFussel Calinou, I have a HDD -> Rotation Rate: 5400 rpm 22:52 IhrFussel So 10-30ms is not normal for a file write at all 22:58 Fixer IhrFussel: if you are on windows, check performance monitor for disk io 23:01 IhrFussel Fixer, It's my dedi and it runs Ubuntu 16.04 ... I typed iotop when everything was turned off and I only saw some small disk writes every few secs...those were a few KB and I don't believe that those could slow the I/O down 23:15 Megaf Shara, I'm not sure we can actually die 23:16 Megaf IhrFussel, dont use Ubuntu 23:16 Megaf use Debian 23:16 Megaf and use descent FS 23:16 Megaf like JFS, XFS or ZFS 23:17 Megaf JFS for reliability, XFS for speed, ZFS for its amazing features 23:17 IhrFussel Megaf, the thing is my local machine that also runs Ubuntu (well Xubuntu) can write a LOT faster to files with the exact same FS 23:18 IhrFussel So something must be wrong with the HDD on my dedi maybe...I can post the S.M.A.R.T report I just created 23:18 Megaf Well, then something is clearly wrong with the configuration 23:18 IhrFussel https://pastebin.com/v5rz1LT6 23:18 Megaf maybe you dont have cache in your server or something like that 23:20 IhrFussel Megaf, any way to check that? 23:20 Megaf Not sure 23:20 Megaf but anywhere around 20ms is expected, really 23:20 Megaf that's real HDD performance 23:20 Megaf if it's way lower than that, then it's cache, or SSD 23:20 Megaf cache/buffer 23:21 Megaf $ cat file 23:21 Megaf 1507850470 23:21 Megaf does this means anything? 23:21 Megaf IhrFussel, and how do you know it takes 30ms? 23:22 IhrFussel Do you mean this by cache? https://pastebin.com/jmwRCKLZ 23:23 Megaf negative 23:23 Megaf if you type free -m 23:23 IhrFussel Or free -m ? Cached 804 MB right now 23:23 Megaf that 23:24 IhrFussel I used the time command for it 23:24 Megaf not precise 23:24 IhrFussel time echo $(date +%s) > file 23:26 Megaf IhrFussel, apt install iozone3 23:30 IhrFussel Megaf, how to use it? xo 23:30 Megaf I'm trying to figure out myself 23:34 Megaf IhrFussel, better, apt install ioping 23:35 IhrFussel Megaf, I'm trying the auto mode right now iozone -a 23:36 Megaf IhrFussel, for latency is has to be ioping 23:36 Megaf iozone shows operations/second 23:36 Megaf ioping result here 23:36 Megaf 9 requests completed in 172.2 us, 36 KiB read, 52.3 k iops, 204.1 MiB/s 23:36 Megaf generated 10 requests in 9.00 s, 40 KiB, 1 iops, 4.44 KiB/s 23:36 Megaf min/avg/max/mdev = 18.7 us / 19.1 us / 19.5 us / 230 ns 23:37 Megaf Calinou, you can't beat me this time 23:37 Megaf even with your ultra fast SSD setupt 23:37 Megaf setup* 23:38 Megaf ioping -c 10 . 23:38 IhrFussel Which option do I use? 23:38 Fixer mmmm, NFS3... 23:38 Megaf or ioping -c 10 /directory/to/test 23:39 IhrFussel 10 requests completed in 9.33 s, 30 iops, 122.0 KiB/s 23:39 IhrFussel min/avg/max/mdev = 9.24 ms / 32.8 ms / 63.9 ms / 17.0 ms 23:39 Megaf IhrFussel, nothing bad there 23:39 Megaf [23:43:00] an HDD's access time is 15-30 ms 23:40 IhrFussel But I want to know why it sometimes takes 5 ms to write to file and the next moment 30 ... that's a huge gap and causes quite a few lags on my MT server 23:40 Megaf --- . (xfs /dev/sda2) ioping statistics --- 23:40 Megaf 9 requests completed in 22.9 ms, 36 KiB read, 392 iops, 1.53 MiB/s 23:40 Megaf generated 10 requests in 9.00 s, 40 KiB, 1 iops, 4.44 KiB/s 23:40 Megaf min/avg/max/mdev = 2.39 ms / 2.55 ms / 2.63 ms / 64.2 us 23:40 rubenwardy that's how file writing works 23:40 Megaf my SSD, 23:40 rubenwardy if it were possible, you should write asynchronously 23:41 Megaf IhrFussel, Minetest is not fast to begin with 23:41 Megaf it's light, but not fast 23:41 Megaf or is it fast but very heavy? 23:41 Megaf hm 23:43 IhrFussel But that doesn't explain why my local PC doesn't have these huge gaps...no matter how often I echo to a file I always see 2ms 23:44 Fixer it is amazing that 20 years old 3d racing game can run on win7* / with some patching 23:44 Megaf more/faster RAM? 23:45 IhrFussel Writing speed depends on RAM? my dedi has 4 GB, my PC 8 23:46 Megaf on cache 23:46 Megaf almost never a file is writen to the disk 23:46 Megaf at the same time you request that is 23:48 Megaf IhrFussel, but the guys at ##Linux might be able to help ya better 23:50 IhrFussel Megaf, well I'll go to bed now and check more options tomorrow..see ya =)