Time  Nick         Message
00:09 Calinou      https://ukupat.github.io/tabs-or-spaces/ Ctrl+F "lua"
00:09 Calinou      the majority (by a very slight margin) is tabs
00:09 Calinou      followed by 4 spaces
00:10 Calinou      there's still almost 27% of users using 2 spaces
00:10 Calinou      (note, this analysis is quite old)
09:47 tenplus1     hi folks
09:55 Raven262     Hi ten
09:55 tenplus1     hi raven :)
09:56 tenplus1     Xanadu is back up and live with 0.4.16 updates to all mods
09:57 Raven262     Nice :D
09:57 Raven262     I wasn't playing there for a while though.
09:57 Raven262     Never let lisac do the decorating.
09:57 Raven262     Now the place looks silly.
09:57 tenplus1     ehehe, what he do ?
09:58 Raven262     He used the decorative stone, the tile type almost everywhere.
09:59 Raven262     And i was like, lets make this look steampunk (and i added some steel blocks to look like pipes and stuff), but no he wanted the decorative stone everywhere.
09:59 Raven262     And thus we ended up with a giant stone cave.
10:01 Raven262     brb, going to linux.
10:03 tenplus1     wb raven, hi fixer
10:03 Raven262     thx ten.
10:05 tenplus1     hi Krock
10:05 Calinou      hi :)
10:05 tenplus1     hi Cal
10:05 Krock        hi tenplus1, Calinou
10:06 Raven262     Hi Calinou
10:06 * Krock      wonders what rubenwardy's cron job to fetch the forum all five minutes should do
10:07 Fixer        hi
10:07 Krock        hello Raven262, Fixer
10:07 Krock        s/hello/hi
10:08 Raven262     Hi Krock
10:08 Raven262     Hi Fixer
10:08 Calinou      I just enabled HSTS and X-Frame-Options SAMEORIGIN on my sites :p
10:10 Raven262     I just added scarabs around my steam name, interesting.
10:10 Raven262     I thought they would be unsupported.
10:10 Raven262     𓆣
10:12 tenplus1     heh
10:13 Krock        why does unicode even contain that symbol
10:13 tenplus1     just for Raven...
10:13 Calinou      https://xkcd.com/1813/
10:13 Raven262     It contains many other hieroglyphs too.
10:13 Calinou      I wish the Doomguy emojis from GitHub made it into Unicode…
10:13 tenplus1     Xanadu lag has gone from 0.23 down to 0.1 on idle...  changes must have done something
10:13 Calinou      U+IF666 VOMITING DOOM GUY
10:14 Calinou      this would be badass
10:14 Raven262     What would even make the doomguy vomit, after all that he's seen?
10:18 Krock        Calinou, ah yes. Seen it before but again xkcd of its best :)
10:18 Krock        Calinou, IF? 1F.
10:19 Krock        tenplus1, or the player count has decreased
10:19 Calinou      Krock: ah :;P
10:19 tenplus1     base lag is just me on server :P
10:20 Krock        check again with 666 players
10:20 tenplus1     wish we could host that many :) I think 35 is limit
10:30 Calinou      4 players ought to be enough for anybody
10:31 tenplus1     lol, family only game :P
10:31 nerzhul      another Winshit fix merged
10:31 nerzhul      !next
10:31 ShadowBot    Another satisfied customer. Next!
10:31 nerzhul      at least it's shown far more before release
10:31 Calinou      heh, I just reminded myself of http://store.steampowered.com/app/400560/WeaponizedChess/
10:32 Calinou      GamingOnLinux talked about a Linux-only game on Steam, and someone linked that one (which I've seen a while ago)
10:32 Calinou      I think it's a GOTY runner-up
10:32 Calinou      /s
10:32 Calinou      it still has no reviews :D
10:33 Calinou      there's an automatic French translation of the description
10:34 sfan5        http://store.steampowered.com/curators/curatorsreviewing/?appid=400560
10:34 Calinou      :D
10:36 Calinou      rubenwardy: https://media.hugo.pro/chrome_2017-10-10_12-36-24.png
10:36 Calinou      A+ rank on SSLLabs!
10:36 rubenwardy   wooo
10:38 Calinou      this means I dropped IE8 on Windows XP support
10:38 Calinou      (but Let's Encrypt certificates are usually not recognized on Windows XP anyway, IIRC)
10:38 Calinou      (although Chrome 49 on Windows XP is said to work, according to the test results)
10:38 sfan5        pretty sure the different OS + browsers are just testing the cipher suites
10:39 Calinou      yeah, I guess it doesn't actually check the certificate
10:39 Calinou      it's not like I care much about Windows XP anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
10:39 Krock        Calinou, 90% isn't good enough. get this to 100
10:39 Calinou      heh, I'm not sure if you can get all the criteria to 100%
10:39 Calinou      https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=google.com&s=2607%3af8b0%3a4005%3a805%3a0%3a0%3a0%3a200e :D
10:39 Calinou      not even Google has A+
10:41 Krock        Github and DUckDuckGo are A+
10:41 rubenwardy   that's because google cares about device compatibilty
10:42 Calinou      yeah, they need to support really old devices
10:45 tenplus1     hi sniper
10:51 nerzhul      Calinou, google cannot have A+ as it should support everybody
10:56 tenplus1     progression vs compatibility
11:31 IhrFussel    Hello guys
11:31 tenplus1     hi fussel
11:31 Fixer        "there's an automatic French translation of the descriptio" read it as autistic frensh translation for some reason
11:32 sfan5        >frensh
11:33 IhrFussel    The mod profiler really disables register_on_hpchange() it seems or at least the last instance of it...on my server players have custom HP so the builtin system isn't used, but when I enable the mod profiler players die after taking 20 HP damage even though they should have 100+
11:33 sfan5        sounds like a bug, open an issue
11:34 tenplus1     hi thomas
11:34 Fixer        sfan5: good enough*
11:34 Fixer        close enough*
11:34 ThomasMonroe hi tenplus1
11:36 CalebDavis   hi all
11:36 tenplus1     hi caleb
11:36 nerzhul      hi Irh
11:36 nerzhul      IhrFussel,
11:37 IhrFussel    sfan5, wait it isn't the entire callback ... when players take damage you see their current HP over their heads and that still works with mod profiler...it seems the modifier is just disabled ... would that make sense?
11:37 sfan5        not really
11:38 IhrFussel    Yes nerzhul ?
11:39 nerzhul      i just said hi
11:40 IhrFussel    Oh I see xP hi back
11:40 IhrFussel    sfan5, but that's the only explanation I have...it must either disable or overwrite my custom hp_change modifier
11:43 Calinou      nerzhul: yeah
11:46 IhrFussel    I mean I return 0 at the end of the callback so the engine *should* not touch the player HP
11:51 sfan5        callbacks should return bools not numbers
11:53 nerzhul      yeah, callback return bool as core should trigger a processing stop if callback consume the message or not
11:53 IhrFussel    The 0 means don't change HP AFAIK return -20 means take 20 HP and return 20 means give 20 HP
11:54 IhrFussel    And if profiler is disabled everything works as expected, the actual HP never change
12:06 tenplus1     hi Jordach
12:14 ThomasMonroe how would i enable TNT, but only allow players to use it below -500
12:15 tenplus1     you could add an on_place override that checks Y value before placing ?
12:16 ThomasMonroe ok
12:21 IhrFussel    I just confirmed that there definitely IS a bug with the HP modifier when the profiler is enabled... this exact test code will only work as long you the profiler is disabled https://pastebin.com/EXPxGEEV
12:22 Krock        where are all the indents?
12:23 IhrFussel    The code will give the player 100 HP when they join and when they take damage they will lose CUSTOM HP except if the profiler is enabled, then they will lose ACTUAL HP
12:23 Calinou      tenplus1: I'd like that to be default behavior
12:23 Calinou      (TNT only below a certain height in multiplayer)
12:23 Calinou      although most players don't need TNT
12:23 tenplus1     true
12:24 tenplus1     maybe have Y level as a setting
12:24 ThomasMonroe true, but it is fun nonetheless
12:27 IhrFussel    Krock, https://pastebin.com/
12:27 IhrFussel    Something went wrong...I saved the paste but it didn't give ma any ID
12:30 IhrFussel    Krock, https://pastebin.com/4jQLtnwV xP
12:31 IhrFussel    I will open an issue now + paste code
12:33 Krock        <3 indents
12:33 tenplus1     4 or 8 spaced ???
12:33 Krock        4, usually
12:33 tenplus1     same...
12:34 tenplus1     back laters ;P
12:38 IhrFussel    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6517
12:39 Krock        FYI: the builtin system is not restricted to 20 HP anymore
12:40 Krock        6 days before the "deadly" protocol dump
12:40 IhrFussel    Krock, I edited my issue (0.4.16-dev) but since the callback is used for other things too it affects a lot more than just my case
12:41 IhrFussel    The engine very likely ignores the return 0 if the profiler is enabled and that can be critical if your mod relies on it
12:42 IhrFussel    3d_armor is affected too I think...when I use the admin shield I still get damage from falling for example
12:44 Aerozoic     hi Krock, are you the one who maintains the 3d armor mod?
12:44 Fixer        lololololololol
12:44 Fixer        holy fuck
12:45 Fixer        someone sells cel 633Mhz, 256mb of ram for internet, office
12:45 Krock        Aerozoic, no, that's stu/stujones11
12:45 Krock        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4654
12:45 Aerozoic     oh sorry
12:48 Aerozoic     btw Krock thanks for your mod search website. It helped me alot when setting up my server.
12:49 Krock        np. Sometimes it's also helpful to ask other people what they recommend :)
12:58 IhrFussel    Umm why was my issue labeled as question?
12:59 IhrFussel    It's clearly a bug report
15:51 Fixer        *,...,*
15:54 ThomasMonroe hey lisac, your toolranks is cool
15:54 lisac        Hey ThomasMonroe, thanks you are so kind
15:54 lisac        :)
15:54 ThomasMonroe i have it on my new server
15:55 lisac        name? :)
15:55 ThomasMonroe Legends Of Survival
15:56 lisac        joining.
15:56 lisac        did you use the highest dig count part?
15:56 lisac        Ten didn't want it on his server
15:57 ThomasMonroe yep i sure did
15:58 lisac        is it too spammy? :)
15:58 Krock        !mod toolranks
15:58 Krock        no MTB here ...
15:59 lisac        :)
15:59 lisac        Krock, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18056
16:01 Krock        thanks for the link
16:02 Krock        already seen this mod in action previously but didn't know the name of it
16:02 lisac        wow, where? :)
16:03 Shara        It's a good mod. Just wish it could do more as well somehow.
16:03 Krock        jas_, could it be that you used it on your server?
16:03 Krock        is it xdecor workbench compatible btw?
16:03 Shara        It's one of those mods on my "keep watch and might add one day" list
16:04 Shara        Which is actually  apretty tiny list
16:04 lisac        Shara, feel free to add some suggestions
16:04 lisac        either here or on the issues github page :D
16:04 lisac        I'll be sure to consider it
16:04 Shara        Yea, Ten and I talked about it before, but I think we couldn't see any way to do the things I was thinking about.
16:05 Shara        I'd like the levels to do more than improve durability of the tool
16:05 lisac        improve dig speed, maybe?
16:05 Shara        Possibly.
16:05 Shara        I wouldn't even really mind what so much.... just something "more"
16:06 Shara        I'd love increased range most I think.
16:06 lisac        Shara, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5919
16:06 lisac        either waiting for that...
16:06 lisac        or of course I could re-define on_use
16:06 Shara        :P
16:06 Shara        If you can ever get it so a maxed level tool has increased range, I'd be really interested
16:07 Shara        (assuming we can get the server fixed anyway)
16:07 lisac        That is... Darklands?
16:07 Shara        Yea
16:07 Shara        It's messed up bad.
16:07 lisac        hmm I should start writing notes for myself.
16:08 Shara        Kind of annoying since my potion mod is almost ready as well...
16:08 lisac        max_lag 6 :)
16:08 lisac        Sanity mod...
16:08 Shara        Thing is.. I have no changed the mods since it was last running fine
16:08 Shara        not*
16:09 Shara        And I've done tests with mods disabled and there's been no improvement.
16:09 lisac        hmm
16:09 lisac        maybe try profiling it?
16:09 Shara        So I think it's actually the server
16:10 lisac        check how long is each function taking...
16:10 Shara        Well, the host wants to test the same map/mods on another server next, so waiting on him currently.
16:10 lisac        see if anything is suspicious
16:10 Shara        I've already tested locally and can't see any performance issues so... ugh.
16:12 rubenwardy   lisac, Shara, didn't read the whole conversation, but it's possible to change a particular tool's range: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4341
16:13 lisac        rubenwardy, but per itemstack?
16:13 Shara        But if DL gets fixed, and tool ranks gets range added for the max level, it will get added
16:13 lisac        yay a quest!
16:13 Shara        :)
16:13 lisac        hey, while we are at quests...
16:13 Shara        If you want quests, feel free to test my potions mod too :P
16:13 lisac        when (if) I finish playerranks, I'll do questranks mod
16:13 lisac        WB Raven262
16:14 Shara        About ready for testers to try and break it now.
16:14 lisac        we missed you
16:14 lisac        can I see, then? :)
16:14 Shara        Hi Raven262 (and hi rubenwardy!)
16:14 Shara        https://github.com/Ezhh/warp_potions
16:14 Shara        Everything should work now, other than support for inventory_plus, I think
16:15 lisac        Shara, maybe add support for parties mod
16:15 lisac        all party members can use a certain teleport.
16:15 Shara        I don't know that mod, but this is specifically meant to limit it to individuals anyway
16:16 Shara        You want a warp point? - earn it yourself :P
16:16 Raven262     Hi Shara
16:16 Shara        There's lots of options for cheap (and in my opinion cheaty) teleporting already
16:17 lisac        hmm you might be right
16:18 lisac        wtf https://imgur.com/gallery/tLtCq
16:19 Shara        I made this mod because people like to abuse teleporting as a way to inside people's homes to kill them on DL
16:19 Shara        to get inside*
16:20 lisac        what would also be nice is to force players to explore
16:20 lisac        and allow them to kill each other
16:20 lisac        but not spawncamp or stuff
16:20 lisac        for example, make others unable to dig protected stuff
16:20 Shara        Yea - exploring is why you need to travel somewhere by yourself first to set the teleport points
16:21 Krock        lisac, http://i.imgur.com/1yP1ubZ.gif
16:21 Shara        Not being able to dig protected stuff is the point of protected stuff?
16:21 lisac        lol
16:21 Shara        Problem with Ten's teleport potions is they don't check for protection when used
16:21 lisac        Shara, yes, but also force players to build doors
16:21 Krock        Shara, but digging != environment changes
16:21 lisac        yes, and can teleport anywhere.
16:22 Shara        I added them originally since they do have a per use cost
16:23 lisac        on Xanadu, we've got a single pad, and we use it to teleport to -20000, get some caverealms goodies, then /home back
16:23 lisac        then change to a different x/y, and repeat
16:23 Shara        Yea, and that's pretty cheap :)
16:23 lisac        :P
16:23 Shara        May as well just have the teleport priv already :P
16:25 lisac        lol https://imgur.com/gallery/QXBjj/comment/1142666319
16:27 Krock        lisac, I don't get it either
16:28 lisac        heh, I might've watched The Outlander a bit too much
16:32 IhrFussel    So will my issue have the unconfirmed bug label until some core dev checked my test code?
16:33 lisac        IhrFussel, minetest has a mod profiler?
16:34 rubenwardy   yes
16:35 IhrFussel    lisac, profiler.load = true in minetest.conf enables it ... then ingame you can for example type /profiler save and it will generate a profile report in your world directory
16:36 lisac        oh
16:36 lisac        well, nice
16:36 lisac        didn't know that
16:37 IhrFussel    It will slow down everything though so I don't recommend to use it for long
17:22 rubenwardy   anyone speak russian?
17:22 rubenwardy   or whatever this is: "ВАМ КАПЕЦ КРАСНЙ М ВЙГРАЕМ"
17:23 Krock        looks like MAB KANEU KPACHN M BNRPAEM
17:24 Krock        google translate says it's broken russian
17:37 nerzhul      multi OS compilation on the same machine mouyahaha
17:37 nerzhul      https://lut.im/ZVERsZ413O/o85yYLKgbITEMS5G.png
17:38 nerzhul      one screen per OS :p
17:38 Krock        congrats for multi-screen
17:38 nerzhul      poor compiler :p
17:38 nerzhul      and poor CPU
17:38 nerzhul      hopefully it's a FX 8350
17:38 nerzhul      windows compilation is slow as a hell, <3 clion & clang
17:39 Krock        did you ensure it uses multiple cores to compile?
17:39 nerzhul      where is that ? it's by default on clion, cannot remember on VS
17:40 nerzhul      oh yeah i found it
17:40 lisac        hey nerzhul is CLion nice?
17:40 nerzhul      it's 1
17:40 nerzhul      clion is, for me , the best C++ IDE on the market, it's why i pay for it
17:40 lisac        great, I'll add it to my wishlist. :D
17:40 nerzhul      qtcreator is nice but miss some features, and the search is not as complete, VS is too heavy and MS only and has missing features
17:41 nerzhul      clion search engine is the powerful
17:41 nerzhul      and they release 3 minor + 1 major per year
17:41 nerzhul      C++17 full support will come on 2018
17:41 lisac        Though 90€ a year seems a lot
17:42 nerzhul      i do many C++ it's not heavy
17:42 * lisac      moves it to 'get it when you get a job' list.
17:42 nerzhul      for the advantages it has
17:42 nerzhul      you have 30 days trial, just test
17:42 lisac        yeah, I need it for school right now mostly.
17:42 nerzhul      also it support GDB and LLDB natively properly, cmake , clang
17:42 nerzhul      clang-tidy
17:42 nerzhul      clang-format
17:42 lisac        school recommends MS Visual studio...
17:42 nerzhul      etc :p
17:42 lisac        and I'm on Linux :)
17:42 nerzhul      yeah, partnership
17:43 lisac        code::blocks seems to have gone the way of DevC++
17:44 Calinou      https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/heres-a-look-at-some-good-fps-games-available-on-linux-steamos.10447/page=3
17:44 Calinou      "There's also various open source shooters, but honestly a lot of them that I've looked into have a non-existent player-base. Not only that, but a lot of them are heavily outdated both in terms of graphics, features and ease of use. There are some like Xonotic, a fast-paced arena-style shooter that requires quick reflex that still has a few players. There's also ET: Legacy, which is the improved open source build of Wolfenstein: Enemy
17:44 Calinou      Territory, but it never seems to work when I try to connect to a server."
17:44 Calinou      the author comments, "Sadly I can't get the game to work, the 64bit build crashes on server join. Going to try the 32bit build soon."
17:44 Calinou      …
17:45 Calinou      this is why we can't have nice things :(
17:45 nerzhul      codeblocks is a little bit dead, yes
17:46 nerzhul      Calinou, because devs are shit :p
17:46 Calinou      it's an upstream issue, Splash Damage thought it was a good idea to use 32-bit .dll/.so's only
17:46 Calinou      and old mods don't support 64-bit
17:46 Calinou      and these binaries are directly downloaded and used by the client
17:47 lisac        Calinou, want some hightower gardening? I got this today :) http://steamcommunity.com/id/lisacvuk/inventory/#440_2_6222860018
17:47 lisac        I need to buff the kills a bit :)
17:48 Calinou      lisac: what do you mean?
17:49 lisac        Rocket Jumper + Concheror + Market Gardener on hightower
17:49 lisac        we go around killing snipers and pyros flare-shooting at our teammates
17:50 lisac        I even took out a scout that was standing at a ledge shooting out of a pistol
17:58 Calinou      oh, https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.11.0.php
17:58 Calinou      Plasma now supports different DPI on different monitors with Wayland
17:58 Calinou      lisac: up for a TF2 game?
17:59 Raven262     I believe that is what he was talking about.
17:59 lisac        if it's hightower, then sure
18:00 Calinou      is that a payload map? :p
18:00 Raven262     I think the payloads are locked there.
18:00 Raven262     On certain servers though.
18:01 Calinou      I started playing Action Quake 2 a few days ago, it's pretty nice
18:01 Calinou      I also compiled my own Q2PRO on Windows for the lulz :P
18:02 lisac        I invited you, Calinou :)
18:03 Calinou      lisac: try again, I didn't see the invite
18:47 * CWz        also plays tf2 from time to time
19:08 nerzhul      Fixer_, i fixed the windows movement problem in network code, in fact due to closing/reopening socket i forgot to re-bind the UDP socket :)
19:08 nerzhul      Now it works perfect, except the crash at game leave
20:38 Calinou      http://www.pcgamer.com/valve-reflects-on-the-orange-box-ten-years-later/
20:39 Calinou      the Orange Box turned 10 years old recently
20:56 nerzhul      Fixer_, i fixed the crash at disconnection, now all builds are stable
21:00 nerzhul      okay then ASIO PR is nolonger a WIP
21:01 nerzhul      i will do a little breakage in the network code to add a field in TCP header
21:06 nerzhul      now we will need to test the server with ~ 15-20 players and various connection/disconnections scenarios
21:37 nerzhul      Fixer_, you were already connected
21:37 nerzhul      timeout occurs now you can reconnect
21:38 nerzhul      nice you test the timeout issue heh
22:26 * Calinou    is tweaking his Quassel theme, looks pretty nice and less distracting now
22:27 Calinou      https://media.hugo.pro/quasselclient_2017-10-11_00-27-16.png
22:28 Calinou      (totally not cloning Discord :P)
22:28 Calinou      https://gist.github.com/Calinou/ef4e40fa5974bbdb39335c3b8d1b7492
22:34 Megaf        Calinou, I dont get it
22:34 Megaf        you mean the color palete?
22:37 Calinou      Megaf: yeah, I tweaked the colors
23:21 shivajiva    sofar: nice reply, I'm always impressed when you take the time to explain where you stand coherently :)
23:23 sofar        I sometimes wonder
23:23 sofar        if I can stir up THAT much with 22 lines of diff
23:24 sofar        maybe there's a career in politics?
23:24 Shara        I seem to recall stirring up more with less at lesat once.
23:24 Shara        Maybe we should both try :)
23:25 Shara        least*
23:25 sofar        Open Job Application for Head Master Troll. Requires three years of living under a bridge experience.
23:25 shivajiva    LOL
23:25 Calinou      where do I sign up? I've never lived under a bridge, but I can learn how to do that on Stack Overflow
23:27 shivajiva    hehehe, hard tabs done btw :)
23:27 sofar        half the questions posted on Stackoverflow are imho trolling questions :)
23:27 sofar        shivajiva: sban? nice
23:27 shivajiva    yup
23:28 sofar        -- prevent other mods from using the global sqlite3 library
23:28 sofar        if sqlite3 then sqlite3 = nil end
23:28 sofar        that's gonna break my server
23:28 sofar        I already use lsqlite3 for other stuff?
23:29 shivajiva    raymoo seemed concerned about breaking the mod security model
23:29 sofar        I definitely need to patch that out on my server
23:29 shivajiva    by allowing other mods access
23:30 shivajiva    but on the plus side ur in control of the server, right :)
23:31 shivajiva    would only be bad if a client could somehow execute code
23:32 shivajiva    just localise your use and nil the global
23:36 rubenwardy   shivajiva's usage is right, each mod should require it themselves and nil out the global'
23:36 rubenwardy   although you can be more slack on a server if you personally verify each mod, I guess
23:36 rubenwardy   just make sure there's no remote code execution
23:36 shivajiva    trying to cache online players in sauth back to core.auth_table to keep the handling of privs at the same performance level :/
23:37 sofar        I see, I didn't know that
23:37 * Shara      is stress-testing sauth big time it seems.
23:37 sofar        I wish we could get `auth` into an sqlite as well
23:37 rubenwardy   sauth
23:38 rubenwardy   it works fine on my server, but there's currently some performance issues on Shara's due to no caching
23:38 rubenwardy   ie: /help all  takes ages
23:38 Shara        Checking locked chests has a delay with sauth as well.
23:38 rubenwardy   protection_bypass
23:38 shivajiva    the caching will bring it back to the expected performance
23:39 Shara        My auth file was huge, so it's a good test to work out any issues.
23:39 rubenwardy   shivajiva, make sure you only add logged in users to the cache
23:39 rubenwardy   and I'd not use core.auth_table incase a mod relies on it
23:39 sofar        2000 lines in auth.txt, only 660 in players.sqlite
23:39 shivajiva    ofc =)
23:39 Shara        Currently wondering if sauth actually fixes my original issue, only to add this issue in its place, and that's why I'm still getting insane lag, but with different behaviour...
23:40 rubenwardy   it still needs to work with not logged in users though, see IRC commands
23:41 shivajiva    yea ur right ruben but they should be using builtin_auth_handler.get_auth(name) for instance rather than accessing the table directly
23:42 rubenwardy   true, it makes it more obvious though. ie: no player auths will work
23:42 rubenwardy   ideally core.auth_table would just be localised
23:43 shivajiva    obv sauth.auth_handler.get_auth(name) works for sauth