Time  Nick       Message
00:51 IhrFussel  See ya
08:34 nerzhul    !tell Fixer the network PR was updated, test it when you can on my server and tell me if it works, also leave server and try to reconnect without leaving client
08:34 ShadowBot  nerzhul: O.K.
08:35 nerzhul    !tell IhrFussel network PR update, if you can take time to test it can be nice
08:35 ShadowBot  nerzhul: O.K.
08:48 rdococ     meow
08:48 Krock      woem
08:49 rdococ     I got a tablet!
08:49 rdococ     and installed a non-crappy Minetest client on it! yay!
08:49 Krock      congrats for the ads banners
08:50 rdococ     I used the official one by nerzhul, lol
08:50 rdococ     I've installed Firefox beta /and/ Opera, simply because I like both.
08:51 Krock      install an IE port to android
08:52 rdococ     hahahaha
08:52 rdococ     I noted that it seems to come with Chrome preinstalled
08:52 rdococ     which is better than the IE that got bundled with (older versions of) Windows
08:53 rdococ     idk why people even MAKE these IE ports!
08:53 Krock      because shit can't die?
08:53 rdococ     ah
08:55 rdococ     idk why normally intelligent people still use IE - some don't even know what a browser is.
08:56 rdococ     I'm at the point where I'd call it anomalous and add an entry for it on the SCP Wiki
08:58 rdococ     "SCP-XXXX is a slow and laggy web browser which used to be bundled with Windows. If a human (hereafter referred to as the subject) is exposed to SCP-XXXX for a long period of time, they will lose knowledge of the definition of the term 'web browser', and avoid using browsers other than SCP-XXXX."
10:41 nerzhul    hi Krock :)
10:42 Krock      hi nerzhul
10:52 rdococ     Hi
10:52 rdococ     Woof.
11:16 IhrFussel  I just checked...so even now when I REDUCED my server step from 0.2 to 0.15 it's still not enough for green?? That doesn't sound right
11:18 IhrFussel  Not sure why only servers with 0.1 steps basically should be green
11:18 Krock      with sofar's solution it would have to be 0.09 or lower to ensure it's green
11:18 IhrFussel  I CANNOT set my steps to green
11:18 Krock      IhrFussel, I already raised my concerns about the same issue in -dev a few hours ago
11:19 Krock      using a standard deviation calculation or just the lag difference to the original set step would help
11:19 IhrFussel  My machine can't handle 0.1 or 0.09 steps... there should be at least 50 ms tolerance so green should be <= 0.15 at least
11:20 Krock      (lag - custom_server_step) / default_server_step   could be an acceptable ratio calculation
11:20 Krock      taking the default as reference but removing the "offset" from the custom step
11:21 Krock      or even  (lag - custom_server_step) / custom_server_step  which might be more clear for end-users (value towards 0 = best)
11:25 Krock      IhrFussel, what do you think about this one? ^
11:25 IhrFussel  Krock, I fully agree with you...and I already said yesterday the server_step setting should be taken into account (unless it's some big unreasonable number like 1.0 or something)
11:26 Shara      Get's unreasonable a bit before then, but .15 should certainly be acceptable.
11:26 IhrFussel  But sofar then said "to change the server_step is basically causing more lag"
11:26 Shara      I have used .15 for over a year and players actively tell me they like my server because of how well it performs.
11:26 Shara      IhrFussel: on one level it is, but the issue is about at what point it impacts playability.
11:26 Krock      Shara, when hosting a local server I usually keep it at 0.2s, which works good enough for most situations
11:27 Shara      The scale being used here would be a good scale for certain types of server, but it's bad for others.
11:28 IhrFussel  That's the actual problem: Mt servers have DIFFERENT goals ... it's not like most other games where the objective is basically the same
11:28 Shara      I posted yet another comment there anyway.
11:29 Shara      But it alreayd has one approval.
11:29 Shara      I know even a few devs aren't happy, yet they don't actually say much on the PR, so it just is what it is.
11:31 IhrFussel  We are not an elite of PC players that needs 4K/120 FPS ... we should also think about the mobile players and I'm not sure if mobile players could handle my data when I set the step any lower
11:32 IhrFussel  And the PR is basically penalizing servers that try to support players with weaker devices
11:32 Shara      Since people are moaning about the complaints, I also want to note here I run a server which will, as it stands, rank as red, but I'm not complaining it will get a low rank givent he values it's reporting (even if in game the performance doesn't seem to be what the values say it is)
11:38 rdococ     Meta-complaining!
11:38 Shara      :D
11:41 Shara      IhrFussel: how big is your auth file anyway?
11:41 Shara      I'm thinking to test sauth today to see if it helps reduce lag from player joins
11:42 Shara      wondering if it would be uyseful to you as well if it's successful
11:42 Shara      useful*
11:42 rdococ     Cant seem to connect to redcat thru android...
11:42 Shara      rdococ: does it give a reason?
11:43 Shara      There's enough players that it might be doing the silly "too many users" thing again
11:45 Shara      Hmm, no, I'm straight in with no problem.
11:46 rdococ     Ye
11:46 rdococ     It says too many users
11:47 Shara      We have a bunch of kids at spawn trying out different skins and and running in circles.
11:47 IhrFussel  Shara, 23 MB
11:48 Shara      IhrFussel: Hmm, you prune it then?
11:48 IhrFussel  Yep I removed accounts that didn't join in over a year
11:51 Shara      Dark Lands has 40mb and is just short of its first birthday
11:52 Shara      Pruning at one year wouldn't have reduced it at all yet
11:54 rdococ     Ugh.
11:54 rdococ     Internet went out.
11:54 rdococ     Now it says too many users again
11:55 IhrFussel  Shara, regarding the red-ranked server...are you talking about one with a high server_step value?
11:56 Shara      IhrFussel: DL is on default server step I think. I did trial different values there, but it didn't really help, and to be honest, since combat is a big deal there, I want it on the default.
11:56 Calinou    I'd like to see player yaw interpolation :(
11:57 Calinou    that would make higher server step rates less necessary
11:57 IhrFussel  Shara, oh cause of the join issue?
11:57 Shara      IhrFussel: I'm pretty sure on join is the problem.
11:57 Calinou    and better player position interpolation too, it's a bit weird right now
11:57 IhrFussel  Did you check all on_joinplayer() callbacks in your mods yet?
11:58 Shara      Yea, but it's really too much to be that, and the thing is... it's something that has gradually got worse over time.
11:58 Shara      Even while I'm not changing any mods
11:58 IhrFussel  Then it can only be the auth or another file a mod creates/fetches in on_joinplayer°(9
11:58 IhrFussel  ()*
11:58 Shara      I'm thinking auth is the most liekly thing, which is why I want to try sauth
11:59 Shara      Using a db will be more efficient either way
11:59 IhrFussel  °Well I was told the devs are planning to put the auth.txt into DB too soon
12:00 IhrFussel  But not sure if it will be ready for 0.5.0
12:00 Shara      tool to do it is already there, and I kind of need this fixed now :)
12:01 Shara      Looks like CTF is already using it :)
12:02 IhrFussel  Well just try it then, if you do a backup before nothing can be destroyed
12:02 Shara      Yea, I'll keep the original auth file of course
12:02 Shara      I also kept my xban.db file before switching to sban
12:07 shivajiva  I can code routines to convert the data back from the db to the original format if it's requested
12:09 Shara      Hmm, would converting to then back fix a (probably) corrupted xban.db? :D
12:09 Shara      Not that I see any reason to move back, given how well sban is holding up so far.
12:09 Shara      But it's funny that that could be a way to fix xban problems.
12:12 shivajiva  the issue with xban corruption isn't easy to deal with, as soon as you have contents that doesn't deserialise you are left to parse the file as text and reassemble the table so you can re-save it
12:12 shivajiva  it's doable, but not that trivial
12:16 shivajiva  heh whatever you do don't try a 50MB auth.txt with sauth current import routine, from a patience perspective 1MB is enough
12:17 shivajiva  needs to be a single transaction to be effective for large data sets
12:18 Calinou    using databases for stuff like this makes more sense than plain text files :P
12:18 shivajiva  ^ :)
12:26 IhrFussel  nerzhul, my script doesn't seem to work anymore, which commands do I need to type nopw to upgrade?
12:47 jas_       mt is an ms ip.  i'd be very careful, personally, but believe the project is (lesser) protected.
12:47 jas_       i mean mc is an ms ip.  and also mt has vaulting with old_move code.
12:47 jas_       hrm, what does cal think, i wonder; whether it's worth re-implementing that feature, much like jc did with quake2
12:48 Krock      nice two-letter words sentence "mc is an ms ip"
12:48 jas_       i could have done worse.
12:49 jas_       oh, right that's funny
13:04 nerzhul    IhrFussel, git fetch -p && git checkout origin/network_asio && make -j4
13:04 nerzhul    it's the best option to test upstream branch
13:08 IhrFussel  nerzhul, I type those after git reset --hard origin/master?
13:09 nerzhul    what is your current script and remotes
13:10 IhrFussel  https://pastebin.com/yGdF3j5m
13:12 nerzhul    okay
13:12 nerzhul    first do
13:12 nerzhul    git remote add nerzhul https://github.com/nerzhul/minetest.git
13:12 nerzhul    (outside of the script it's a one shot)
13:12 nerzhul    then your script will be
13:13 nerzhul    git fetch nerzhul -p && git checkout nerzhul/network_asio then make
13:13 nerzhul    no need to sleep
13:16 nerzhul    Fixer, can you test it too against my server ? could be nice
13:17 nerzhul    i will be busy some time, but i should look at the last points soon
13:22 IhrFussel  No I've got that problem Fixer had "Connection lost."
13:22 IhrFussel  Now*
13:23 Fixer      lol
13:26 IhrFussel  nerzhul, http://ihrfussels-server.tk/gdb.txt
13:32 sfan5      how do you even debug this if your whole code is async
13:36 IhrFussel  Not sure but I pasted the bt anyway...I'm guessing nerzhul will have to setup something serverside to really find the bug
13:37 IhrFussel  But weird that it got fixed on Windows and is now broken on Linux
13:51 Fixer      lololololol
13:51 Fixer      nerzhul: "connection lost" during connection to your server and then usual crash
13:51 Fixer      nerzhul: disconnecting user. Error: End of file
13:52 Fixer      singleplayer has crash too
13:53 Fixer      network name format is invalid
13:53 Fixer      stop of command flow, etc
13:57 IhrFussel  nerzhul, 2nd try worked normally
13:59 IhrFussel  nerzhul, it's random sometimes joining works normally other times I see Connection lost.
14:01 Fixer      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJzO2bgoZQ
14:13 nerzhul    sfan5, it's not difficult with logs + gdb
14:14 nerzhul    2017-10-08 15:58:50: ERROR[ServerConnectionThread]: Failed to send unreliable packet to 188.102.41.75:52584, disconnecting user. Error: Can't assign requested address
14:14 nerzhul    i got this IhrFussel
14:15 nerzhul    Fixer, i need the client logs please
14:19 IhrFussel  nerzhul, you mean debug.txt? or bt?
14:30 Fixer      nerzhul: good luck translating it
14:38 Fixer      IhrFussel: try starting singleplayer game
14:46 IhrFussel  nerzhul, 2017-10-08 16:46:22: ERROR[ServerConnectionThread]: Failed to read packet headerpeer, disconnecting user. Error: Operation aborted.Failed to read packet header from 127.0.0.1:38484, disconnecting user. Error: End of file
14:48 nerzhul    this PR tire me :p
14:50 nerzhul    IhrFussel, it seems your client disconnects from server
14:51 nerzhul    do you have a client log ?
14:51 IhrFussel  nerzhul, do you mean host server with gdb?
14:52 nerzhul    no no i mean it's not the only message in MT console
14:52 nerzhul    there should be client messages too
14:53 nerzhul    it's anoying to have various behaviour :p
14:54 IhrFussel  https://pastebin.com/ZSSGTxy3
14:54 nerzhul    Fixer, can you give me the gdb trace for your disconnection crash please ?
14:54 nerzhul    IhrFussel, you pressed CTRL+C
14:55 nerzhul    2017-10-08 16:46:22: [Main]: INFO: signal_handler(): Ctrl-C pressed, shutting down.
14:55 nerzhul    it seems lgtm the client/server shuts down :p
14:55 IhrFussel  The one I posted now is when I host a local server
14:55 IhrFussel  When I connect to your server with --info I see nothing in the logs
14:56 nerzhul    there should be a disconnection reason from client thread
14:56 nerzhul    ClientConnectionThread should talk
14:58 IhrFussel  nerzhul, https://pastebin.com/k39yaJSJ
14:59 nerzhul    okay
14:59 nerzhul    IhrFussel, your current problem is on my side
15:00 nerzhul    IhrFussel, i think it's related to Fixer fix
15:01 rubenwardy Would anyone know how I can send an email if minetest exits with code 1? It's running in a service, and it should only send a few emails before stopping in the case of a start-crash-restart loop
15:01 IhrFussel  nerzhul, could very well be, I never saww it before
15:01 rubenwardy *systemd server
15:01 rubenwardy *service
15:01 rubenwardy I guess I could just put it in a bash script, but feels like that's reinventing the wheel
15:01 rubenwardy *exits with code != 0
15:02 nerzhul    IhrFussel, i think it's due to my setup with FreeBSD jails, socket wants to bind to 0.0.0.0 and it's not possible in freebsd jails
15:05 nerzhul    okay i will enable the UDP workaround for windows only
15:05 IhrFussel  Well at least you seem to know the cause so that's good =)
15:06 nerzhul    rubenwardy, you can use monit for a such thing
15:06 nerzhul    it permits to autorestart + send notifications
15:06 nerzhul    IhrFussel, you can connect to my server know it should be good
15:08 nerzhul    same problem
15:09 IhrFussel  nerzhul, I still get the same error but this time later it seems
15:09 nerzhul    it's on the first UDP packet
15:10 IhrFussel  I didn't see those lines in the log before Client: time_of_day=15922 time_speed=72 dr=1000
15:10 IhrFussel  2017-10-08 17:07:30: INFO[Main]: Client got TOCLIENT_MOVE_PLAYER pos=(-3978.97,15,4538.82) pitch=0 yaw=0
15:11 nerzhul    at least your receive the packet
15:11 nerzhul    the previous fix i did was useless, i forgot it was client side only
15:14 nerzhul    oh IhrFussel i got an idea, i forgot to fix that point
15:17 nerzhul    yeah it should be that, both on windows and linut
15:18 nerzhul    i forgot to check UDP endpoint was inited
15:18 nerzhul    then both client and server can concurrently have this problem
15:20 nerzhul    IhrFussel, can you update your branch, compile and re-test
15:20 nerzhul    Fixer, too :)
15:22 nerzhul    https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/serving-100-gbps-from-an-open-connect-appliance-cdb51dda3b99
15:22 Fixer      Calinou: i'm very outdated on VGA quality, MSI is good for buy? looking to buy GeForce 1050Ti from MSI
15:23 Fixer      does not even need external power, which is nice
15:23 Fixer      has 2 funs
15:23 Fixer      fans
15:23 Calinou    Fixer: brands don't matter a lot, if you have the time, look at hardware reviews that particular graphics card (GPU + heatsink/fan), or a similar GPU with the same heatsink/fan
15:24 Calinou    MSI often makes decent heatsink/fans
15:24 Calinou    the ones with at least 2 fans are the better ones (3 fans isn't required, though, but it can be better, sometimes)=
15:25 Fixer      yeah, i've started with reviews, and compared with out net stores, and found cheaper variant then that OC premium version, seems good, they have big radiator over everything and 2 fans, card itself is very quite and cold, fans don't even turn on during 3d
15:25 Fixer      during 2d i mean*
15:25 Fixer      but i will look deeper into heatsink
15:25 Fixer      i can see it from the fotos
15:25 Fixer      OC version costs somewhat more, and i don't need that
15:26 Calinou    don't buy highly overclocked versions, unless the price makes it interesting
15:26 Calinou    most GPUs already come overclocked, it's nice to have but not a requirement
15:27 Fixer      Calinou: i don't need OC, and price is significantly higher for OC, i found pretty good price for this one https://i2.rozetka.ua/goods/1770926/msi_gtx_1050_ti_4gt_oc_images_1770926207.jpg
15:28 Fixer      it has vulkan support too, i will be fine with it for many years since i don't really play newer AAA games, because of huge HDD size requirements and long download times
15:29 Calinou    looks good to me
15:29 Calinou    NVIDIA GPUs support Vulkan since Kepler (2012)
15:29 Calinou    they also support OpenGL 4.6 since Fermi (2010)
15:29 Fixer      this one is new release
15:29 Calinou    and DirectX 11 since Fermi, and DirectX 12 since Kepler or Maxwell (I don't remember)
15:30 Fixer      1050 ti is from current generation
15:30 Fixer      i particularly like power and coldness part
15:31 IhrFussel  nerzhul, 1st try worked...want me to spam join to check other tries?
15:31 Fixer      75Watt tdp against my 150Watt R6870
15:31 Fixer      nerzhul: compile error
15:32 Fixer      t o i l e t  t i m e, brb
15:33 Calinou    I think the 1050 Ti does not require PCI-E cables at all
15:33 Calinou    the PCI-E slot is enough to power it (75 W)
15:33 nerzhul    Fixer, okay, tell me when you got it
15:33 Calinou    which makes it very easy to install :P
15:33 nerzhul    IhrFussel, you can but i'm pretty sur it's fixed :p
15:35 IhrFussel  nerzhul, it says failed to read packet header but I'm not disconnected
15:35 nerzhul    IhrFussel, it was on the prvious disconenction because you were disconnected
15:36 nerzhul    it's not important :p
15:37 nerzhul    after fixing fixer problems i will break the implementation to add a new field to header permitting to catch unneeded traffic from random sources because i have some russian scanners which sends shit :p
15:37 IhrFussel  Oh yeah you're right...5 tries and no errors
15:37 IhrFussel  I'll do 10
15:38 nerzhul    it's strange we didn't see this bug on previous tests, but at least it's fixed now :p
15:39 IhrFussel  10 tries, no errors, no gray screens
15:40 nerzhul    oh you are right maybe gray screens are due to that too :)
15:46 Fixer      nerzhul: https://pastebin.com/raw/DCLfNYmL
15:48 nerzhul    Fixer, easy to fix
15:49 nerzhul    Fixer, fix pushed
15:51 Fixer      yeah
15:53 nerzhul    Fixer, i tend to think your problem is due to the same thing as IhrFussel but windows has a little difference with thread order handling it's why it wasn't same behaviour
15:53 nerzhul    for the crash at disconnection i will look after we fixed that, with a new BT :)
15:56 Fixer      Calinou: lol https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-4G-OC/Specification vs https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-4GT-OC/Specification everything the same except the size
15:58 Fixer      nerzhul: connected to server, idling
15:58 Fixer      nerzhul: quitting, starting local game
15:59 Fixer      local game started
16:00 nerzhul    then it's good ?
16:01 Fixer      Calinou: side view http://www.hardware-mag.de/artikel/847/05.jpg
16:01 nerzhul    i see your connection, 1m idle and disconnection
16:01 Fixer      back to your server
16:01 Fixer      no it is not back
16:01 Fixer      crash during stop of local game
16:02 IhrFussel  The connection after joining is stable I walked around for 30+ minutes recently
16:02 nerzhul    okay this crash is the only remaining point ? can you play a little bit on my server Fixer drop items etc ?
16:02 nerzhul    we will study the client crash just after that
16:03 IhrFussel  nerzhul, will connect again too and do stuff
16:03 nerzhul    if both are connected
16:04 Fixer      nerzhul: https://pastebin.com/raw/jsWBqNJV
16:04 Fixer      ^ exiting local game crash
16:05 Fixer      nerzhul: dropped items hang in air
16:05 Fixer      nerzhul: falling blocks update badly only at end
16:07 nerzhul    Fixer, it seems UDP has a problem on windows
16:08 nerzhul    server receive your pings
16:08 nerzhul    and server answer you my packets
16:11 nerzhul    in MT we don't see user tool in hand ?
16:12 IhrFussel  Not without mod :P
16:12 nerzhul    a mod is required for that :o
16:13 IhrFussel  Yep
16:13 IhrFussel  !mod wieldview
16:13 IhrFussel  Oh oops forgot
16:14 Fixer      nerzhul: welcome to MTG in 2017, you don't see tools in hands
16:14 IhrFussel  Well that's the most popular mod for it I think
16:14 Raven262   You get it with the 3d armor, in the modpack IIRC
16:14 nerzhul    strange to have a mod for that
16:14 nerzhul    i don't see any reason that a player should not show the tool he has in hand
16:15 nerzhul    Fixer do you see us moving around you ?
16:15 Fixer      nerzhul: you all standing?
16:15 nerzhul    no we move around you
16:16 Fixer      nerzhul: nothing moves
16:16 nerzhul    okay
16:16 Fixer      nerzhul: you stand in woods
16:16 nerzhul    i think it's the problem with the UDP socket closed/re-opend
16:16 nerzhul    i should show errors on UDP handler
16:19 nerzhul    Fixer, can you updatey our MT copy ?
16:19 nerzhul    i pushed a missing UDP log on receiver
16:19 nerzhul    it can help us
16:19 nerzhul    server send your UDP packets but it seems you don't read htem
16:22 Fixer      okl
16:26 nerzhul    when full transmission on my server will be fixed i will finish the study on your crash, i'm pretty sure it's a concurrency issue
16:29 Shara      How can DL be 3rd on public list and RC 8th, when DL has 13 players on and RC has 27. Same player average. RC has had higher top players, higher uptime, is a much older server, has lower ping and lower lag. Both servers have lots of the numbered names so that should not be a difference. Everythingtells me RC should be higher and DL should be lower in the list.
16:32 rubenwardy for reference https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/6d6882db0cbe1b5b24be
16:32 rubenwardy cba to do it now
16:33 Shara      What that shows me would place RC higher than DL
16:33 Shara      And it's still not
16:34 Shara      Oh wait, it just changed
16:34 Shara      RC has less players, DL has more.. but now RC is higher?
16:34 Shara      It doesn't really make sense
16:34 Shara      RC is getting penalised for having more players.
16:35 Shara      Interesting how closely placed the top 8 are though
16:36 nerzhul    the downgrade due to player should be upper limit as now MT can handle more players
16:37 Shara      RC has a higher upper limit than DL too
16:38 Shara      DL 15/22 and RC 20/30 right now, but DL again is higher
16:39 Fixer      nerzhul: empty warning: WARNING:
16:39 Shara      It just doesn't really make sense
16:41 nerzhul    Fixer, not my part i sen only errors
16:45 Fixer      nerzhul: you all stand like statues
16:45 Fixer      nerzhul: also, when you "moved" you appeared stationary but with move animation
16:46 nerzhul    yeah it's "normal" in MT
16:46 nerzhul    :p
16:46 Fixer      o_0
16:47 nerzhul    when you are connected
16:47 nerzhul    can you type "netstat -ab" in a cmd.exe
16:47 nerzhul    and show me minetest.exe entries ?
16:54 Fixer      nerzhul: if under gdb, i see nothing related to minetest or gdb
16:54 Fixer      nerzhul: also, "Connection lost" when not under gdb
16:54 Fixer      with crash
16:54 nerzhul    not logical
16:55 nerzhul    in fact
16:55 nerzhul    for the non gdb launch
16:55 nerzhul    ti's because you were already conencted, server kicked you
16:55 nerzhul    2017-10-08 18:52:44: ACTION[Server]: Server: Failed to emerge player "Fixer" (player allocated to an another client)
16:56 nerzhul    the crash should be handled here to, maybe i should compile on windows at a point :p
17:04 rdococ     mewow!
17:18 nerzhul    Fixer, i think i understand the problem
17:21 nerzhul    i'm not sure i will need a packet capture
17:21 nerzhul    i do't see your client heartbeats during my movements, i think there is something wrong
17:26 IhrFussel  nerzhul, did you shut down?
17:26 nerzhul    yeah i updated
17:27 nerzhul    now waiting for Fixer input about movements (throwing an object is a sufficient test)
17:27 Fixer      what?
17:27 nerzhul    if you can update and re-test throwing an object, if you see movement it's nice
17:27 nerzhul    i have a tcpdump capture on UDP part to see if it's good
17:28 nerzhul    (did you update ? )
17:28 Fixer      oh, reupdate
17:28 Fixer      btw got crash on older client
17:28 nerzhul    yeah it's always the same crash i will look after :)
17:28 Fixer      will recompile
17:28 Fixer      different one
17:29 Fixer      atomicity.h smth
17:29 nerzhul    :p
17:33 Fixer      joined
17:33 Fixer      without gdb
17:33 Fixer      will look netstat
17:34 nerzhul    Fixer i like the current UDP packets
17:34 nerzhul    do you move ?
17:34 Fixer      nerzhul: firewall says minetest.exe has two ports: tcp out and udp out
17:35 nerzhul    okay
17:35 nerzhul    the last thing we should do is to use wireshark on your machine
17:36 nerzhul    to understand what happen
17:37 Fixer      lolol
17:37 nerzhul    do you have wireshark ?
17:37 Fixer      will install it
17:38 Fixer      firewall said i received data too, about 500 byte/sec
17:38 nerzhul    yeah but in UDP ?
17:38 nerzhul    tcp is fine it's sure :p
17:38 nerzhul    i looked at MT legacy protocol and didn't see any option
17:38 Fixer      up to 1 kbyte/sec in and out
17:38 Fixer      on udp
17:38 nerzhul    if i don't find the issue i will install windows 10 in a VM :p
17:38 nerzhul    okay
17:40 nerzhul    wireshark will permit to see what happened on your machine, really :p
17:40 nerzhul    i think it's a listening issue on MT
17:41 nerzhul    just to be sure, if you launch a standard MT, what does the firewall told you about UDP ?
17:41 nerzhul    udp in/out ?
17:41 nerzhul    at least with current code i properly receive your UDP pings on server
17:43 Fixer      udp out
17:43 Fixer      wait
17:43 Fixer      what is standard mt?
17:43 nerzhul    mt 0.4.16
17:43 nerzhul    or MT without my patch :p
17:45 Fixer      nerzhul: says UDP out on 0.4.16 mt
17:45 nerzhul    okay
17:45 Fixer      food time
17:45 nerzhul    it seems to be good then
17:45 nerzhul    good lunch :)
17:54 Calinou    evening :)
17:54 Calinou    fancy, I just did my first PR review on GitHub :P https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreores/pull/28#pullrequestreview-67864213
17:55 Calinou    and it gives you a contribution on your profile :)
17:56 Krock      Calinou, I can't believe that it's your first. Congrats!
17:58 Calinou    I never bothered with reviews before, but it looks like a nice system
18:17 red-001    who is LandMine?
18:19 red-001    they sounds like an interesting person considering the first thing they do when they start using their account again is deny cheating before even being accused of it
18:26 Aerozoic   ok why does ingame chat always put the last word of my message on the next line?
18:28 Krock      that's a strange feature
18:30 Krock      Aerozoic, are these two separate messages or one with a line break?
18:31 Fixer      nerzhul: i'm back with some champagne and starting wireshark install
18:31 Krock      the logs or terminal output can tell you the difference
18:32 Aerozoic   Krock, it does it for command responses as well
18:32 Aerozoic   like if i do /help whatever
18:32 Aerozoic   the last word goes on the next line
18:32 red-001    I heard about this ages ago
18:32 red-001    and seen it a few times
18:33 nerzhul    Fixer, lol
18:33 red-001    don't remember if an issue was created, maybe Raven262 knows
18:34 red-001    since I seen this discussed a few times in the irc channel for craigs server
18:35 Fixer      fuuuuck, it needs reboot
18:35 Fixer      so sad
19:24 rubenwardy <PotatoGuy> :O  -Using Minehacker client. Built by Jeremiah Wibberding (two_steps).
19:24 rubenwardy huh
19:38 Shara      rubenwardy: that was the hacky client
19:39 Shara      I guess he wanted people to know who is using it?
19:40 rubenwardy well, immediate ban from me :D
19:43 Shara      :D
19:55 Krock      ..and my cheater client still lacks of a nice teleporting feature
19:55 Krock      outdated anyway - looks like I gotta wait until there are some more 0.5.0 servers
20:04 nerzhul    Fixer_, around ? :)
20:14 paramat    Aerozoic please could you keep your leave message very short, it's not meant to be used like a forum signature, it's spammy =)
20:15 Aerozoic   paramat, you can turn it off in your client if you don't like it.
20:15 Aerozoic   sorry
20:19 Krock      needs more unicode: F͎o͎̩̘͎͞r͏̠ ͖̥͈̟̬̮ͅon͍c͈̭̦̙ḙ͈̭̞̹̀ ҉y̰o̠̣u͈͞ ̝͞h̲̣̹̬̠͚̬́a̛͓͎̦̭v̠̦͕̫̯̱e͚ ͖̩̣͝t̪̭a̗̺̙̥̮͖̹s̵t̥͔̞e̳̜̯͓d ̷f͕̼͕̳̘l̺̲̤͢ḭ͓͜g̷̰̮̜h̰̮͇t
20:19 paramat    yeah i know =) but join/leave messages are useful to see so many don't want to turn them off, and that isn't a justification
20:19 paramat    hehe
20:21 Krock      there are join messages? Never seen such
20:56 paramat    hm maybe not editable ones
20:57 sfan5      joining irc chnanels has no user-provided message
20:59 Calinou    join/leave messages are no longer haunting me since 2013!
21:01 Krock      since 2013 (C)(R)(TM) Calinou-exclusive only ;)
21:12 Calinou    This Man Disables Join/Leave Messages, IRC Clients Hate Him!
21:17 Jordach    ayy Z97-A