Time Nick Message 02:37 Megaf Aerozoic, its quite late 02:38 Megaf lots of people here are Europeans, and in Ireland is almost 4 AM already 02:38 Megaf other countries even later 02:38 Aerozoic I've just never noticed a streak like that before. 02:39 Megaf I have, not that rare 02:55 Aerozoic One of these days i'll get flightgear installed! XD 11:38 IhrFussel Hi guys 11:40 ThomasMonroe hi 11:48 Fixer hi 11:49 Shara Hello 12:03 Jordach >forgot about openspades 12:13 ircSparky is there a way to enable the "log" window for minetest 0.4.16? so I dont have to reopen debug.txt over and over? 12:25 IhrFussel ircSparky, on Linux use tail -F path/to/debug 13:08 Aerozoic Anybody know how to disable a channel topic if one has already been set? 13:15 IhrFussel What's the best way to choose a position nearby another position that's on the SURFACE of the map? 13:15 IhrFussel I mean I want the chosen position to be on the surface, the other position may be underground/underwater/in sky 13:44 Aerozoic i found it: /quote topic #channel : 13:44 sfan5 that will empty the topic 13:45 Aerozoic Yep, exactly what i was looking for :) 17:24 Calinou hi 17:24 Megaf_ Hello 17:24 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=microsoft+illumiroom 17:24 Calinou heh, looking up this old things 17:24 Megaf_ I'm on GNUStep 17:24 Megaf_ talk old... 17:24 Calinou 90% of the thumbnails feature Red Eclipse on the TV :) 17:25 Megf do a ctcp version on me 17:25 Megaf I need to find a browser for GNUStep 17:26 benrob0329 Megaf: GNUStep? Shall I break out Window Maker while your at it? 17:35 Calinou Received CTCP-VERSION answer from Megaf: TalkSoup.app 1.0alpha - http://talksoup.aeruder.net 17:35 Calinou heh, the homepage 404s 17:37 rdococ Hellooo humans! 17:37 rdococ I have my laptop back today. 17:39 Megaf benrob0329, GNUStep is my DE/Desktop and WindowMaker my Window Manager 17:40 Megaf like how compact and efficient these old interfaces are 17:41 Megaf Calinou, the version I'm using is from 2005, so yeah... 17:43 Megaf closed the wrong window :P 17:47 rdococ Might install a packet tracker, too. 17:51 benrob0329 Megaf: I like my Tiling Window manager, its super comact :P 17:51 benrob0329 *compact 17:55 Megaf https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-epyc-opteron&num=3 17:55 Megaf Reading thios now 18:03 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/chrome_2017-09-18_20-01-22.png 18:03 Calinou heh, GitHub now displays color code hints 18:03 Calinou see the white square next to #ffffff 19:14 tenplus1 hi folks 19:15 rdococ Evaluating... 19:15 rdococ Result: 11 19:15 tenplus1 hi rdococ 19:15 tenplus1 :P 19:15 Raven262 Hi tenplus1 19:15 rdococ lol 19:15 tenplus1 hi raven o/ 19:15 rdococ \o/ 19:16 tenplus1 hi amaz 19:16 Amaz Hello ten :) 19:17 tenplus1 forgot to mention last night, Mobs Redo API has been updated, knock-back is a lot better 19:21 unk tenplus1, we are having issues with chicks dying after hatching...is there somethng we can change in the settings to prevent this? 19:21 tenplus1 hi unk 19:22 unk sorry hi:) 19:22 tenplus1 how you mean dying ? what's killing them ? 19:22 unk I think they are just disappearing after hatching 19:23 tenplus1 they are kinda small so can sneak through gaps and such 19:23 tenplus1 try to watch a few chicks and see what happens to them 19:23 unk will clarify and get back to you 19:24 tenplus1 kewl, than I can figure out what to do with them :P 19:26 unk posting quote: 19:26 unk they start dying the instant they are hatched from eggs or bred 19:26 unk and are dead in a few seconds 19:26 tenplus1 hrm, lemmie test it jsut now... gonna spawn a few chicks 19:26 unk k...thanks 19:27 tenplus1 k, this lil guy is walking around quite happy... no dying 19:27 tenplus1 so far :P 19:28 unk hmmm...just downloaded the latest mod and restarted server...thought that would solve it but still same issue...not sure what to do...but must be something on my server then 19:28 tenplus1 are the chicks walking around something specific ? 19:29 tenplus1 like a special grass node ? 19:29 unk checking 19:30 tenplus1 mobs have suffocation if inside a solid node, so unless chicks are stuck inside such a node they should be fine wandering around... aven being stuck in a fence wont kill them, must be solid 19:30 unk ok 19:32 tenplus1 if mob suffocation is an issue and it kills too many by accident I will disable it 19:34 unk quote: 19:34 unk I spawned them in the ethereal bamboo biome - on the ground 19:35 tenplus1 k, testing in bamboo biome 19:35 unk thanks tenplus1 19:36 rdococ pandas are secretly murderers killing animals with their bamboo :P 19:38 tenplus1 ah, it's the stepheight entity glitvh... 19:38 tenplus1 chicks are somehow walking INSIDE the bushes in the bamboo biome and suffocating 19:39 tenplus1 k, I will disable suffocation until that's properly fixed 19:39 unk ah...I see 19:39 unk ok 19:41 tenplus1 unk: you can download/install latest Mobs Redo API, it shoudl work fine with suffocation disabled for now 19:41 tenplus1 wb raven 19:41 unk cool...thanks...will do that now 19:42 Raven262 thx ten 19:42 Raven262 Back on linux (feels like home) 19:42 tenplus1 :P what distro ? 19:43 Raven262 Kubuntu 19:43 Raven262 Still 19:43 Raven262 GIMP has problems on this OS 19:43 tenplus1 not bad :) nice n flashy that one :D 19:44 tenplus1 it does ?? 19:44 tenplus1 what's the issue ? 19:44 Raven262 The toolbox and layers tab get under the main window if you don't select "above all" box in the window options of each. 19:44 Raven262 Now, you have to do it every time you Alt+Tab 19:44 Raven262 :P 19:45 tenplus1 cant you put it into single window mode, would be a lot easier and less layer issues 19:45 Raven262 How? 19:45 Raven262 I would love to 19:45 tenplus1 Window menu, single-window-mode 19:46 Amaz Single window mode makes gimp much more managable! 19:46 tenplus1 yeah, acts more like photoshop that way 19:46 Raven262 This is epic, thanks for the info :D 19:47 tenplus1 :p 19:48 Raven262 Btw, does minetest change texture's saturnation when rendering? 19:48 Raven262 I seem to be getting really oversaturated/undersaturated textures in mt 19:50 tenplus1 could be a setting in one of the dev versions 19:58 unk tenplus1, the fix worked...thank you 19:59 tenplus1 glad to hear :) hope the stepheight glitch is fixed soon for 0.5.0 20:00 rdococ hi 20:00 rdococ woffles. 20:02 tenplus1 erk, 34 players on Xanadu ~ 1.6sec lag 20:03 tenplus1 hi caleb 20:03 CalebDavis hi ten 20:05 CalebDavis i am working on a mod that makes it so that you burn in a more realistic manner 20:05 tenplus1 ooh, how so ? tell meeeeeeee 20:06 CalebDavis when you get in lava or fire it puts you on fire instead of just taking your health 20:06 tenplus1 ooh, like mc :) nice 20:06 CalebDavis yep :) 20:06 tenplus1 does it have a timer like poisoning in stamina/hbhunger ? 20:07 CalebDavis yes 20:07 tenplus1 sweet :) I like it already 20:08 rdococ ooh 20:23 tenplus1 hi megaf 20:23 Guest30069 Ok, now out of GNUStep and back into the 21st century 20:23 Guest30069 GNOME 3 20:23 tenplus1 any good ? 20:23 rdococ puppy 20:23 Guest30069 Resintalled all desktop stack here, now from Debian Stable backports 20:23 Guest30069 was quite tempted to going to Debian Buster, the 10th version. But meh 20:24 Guest30069 they are even dropping X11 as default and adopting Wayland. 20:24 Fixer *,...,* 20:24 rdococ £.,53. 20:25 tenplus1 if it works then all is good, you still have xwayland to fall back to 20:26 tenplus1 nite folks o/ 20:27 Megaf meh, never get him 20:29 Fixer *,,,,,* 20:30 rdococ £$$@% "~ 20:32 Megaf I'm on wayland now 20:32 Megaf I think 20:37 rdococ puppy 20:38 Megaf I don't get the puppy thing 20:39 Fixer https://github.com/cazala/coin-hive 20:40 Megaf One thing I hate about wayland, it that when your CPU gets busy, it locks your cursor 20:46 benrob0329 Megaf: RIP Wayland 20:49 Megaf I really don't get why make Wayland 20:49 Megaf for full featured things we have Xorg. It used to be great, just make it great again 20:49 Megaf for simple and slim things we have framebuffer 20:50 benrob0329 Because the Open Source world will reinvent the wheel rather than change a tire 20:50 Megaf as matter of fact, most Qt apps run on framebuffer without X 20:51 benrob0329 We've seen it with Alsa, then Pulse, Systemd, X11, C, just to name a few 20:52 Megaf well, Pulse does make things very easy 20:52 Megaf when it works 20:53 sofar X has a bunch of core architectural problems with it 20:53 sofar that make it fundamentally insecure 20:53 sofar (note: wayland wasn't designed to solve them, through, even though it actually does) 20:54 benrob0329 I can excuse replacing X, but its not the first to have this happen 20:54 Megaf I think the graphical server should be in the kernel 20:54 Megaf close to the hardware 20:54 Megaf perhaps based on or compatible with Vulkan 20:55 Megaf now we have good tools 20:55 benrob0329 No, just no 20:55 Megaf yes 20:55 Megaf BeOS, Haiku, Mac, Windows NT, all 100% graphical 20:55 Megaf they all perform way better than Linux 20:55 Megaf (on mac text mode is emulated) 20:56 benrob0329 The graphics drivers should be at least a module, but the server should run on top of the framebuffer 20:56 benrob0329 I dont always want a graphical environment, the fact that you dont need it is one of the best things about *nix 20:57 benrob0329 Define "perform" 20:57 rdococ windows is very good at going on stage and doing a stupid dance 20:58 benrob0329 Because last I checked most people have more graphical performance on Linux (with Minetest at least) 20:58 Megaf My point is. Replacing X11 is pointless, it could be a great thing 20:58 Megaf And, the kernel could provide the graphical stack programs need to run 20:58 benrob0329 Replacing OSS was pointless, just look at FreeBSD 20:59 benrob0329 But it happened anyways 20:59 benrob0329 (For that matter, FreeBSD has mouse drivers in the frame buffer) 21:01 Megaf Wayland just crashed... 21:01 Megaf back to X11 21:01 celeron55 8) 21:01 benrob0329 Wayland has no standard way of recording the screen either 21:02 benrob0329 Hey c55 21:02 celeron55 I like this post by sofar: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=288173#p288173 21:03 benrob0329 *sigh* but certain distros will force an immature technology on people, and then it becomes a holy war 21:03 sofar celeron55: 15+ years of (professional) experience... but hey, it's just *my* opinion ;) 21:04 benrob0329 \*sigh\* and then there's Wuzzy 21:05 sofar lol 21:06 sofar he didn't like my agpl/cc-by-ND project either 21:07 benrob0329 Its not about what you think, its about respecting others. (Did I say that in that thread? Idr) 21:07 sofar it's fine. I'm sure he'll complain about the music license later on 21:07 benrob0329 Probably 21:07 sofar since it's -NC :D 21:08 sofar in any case, you can disable music on the server now so making video's shouldn't be restricted 21:09 benrob0329 -NC is fine for some things, I don't personally like it for most but I respect the decisions of creators 21:09 Calinou I like how Wuzzy renamed the thread to "Admitting Defeat" in the reply 21:09 Calinou you can hide any message in the subject line of a reply, nobody will read it 21:09 Calinou I bumped the thread a bit (like some other people) because of some additional comments 21:10 Fixer *,....,* 21:10 sofar wait, what thread was that? 21:10 Calinou the WTFPL one 21:10 Fixer Megaf: wayland will be ready soon *in 50 years 21:11 Calinou https://xkcd.com/1508/ 21:12 Fixer Calinou: elon mask project... 21:12 benrob0329 Calinou: *claps* 21:13 benrob0329 BSD is missing though 21:13 Calinou yeah, and no Plan 9, TempleOS or PonyOS either 21:13 benrob0329 (It'd probably be the one that ks always a nich, but survives to rival Hurd) 21:13 benrob0329 In other words: Its never popular but it survives 21:14 Megaf lol 21:14 Megaf where can I donwload macOS legally? It's available in the mac app store anyway 21:14 Megaf I also want to download Windows 7 21:15 benrob0329 It'll also be what most Major OSes are based off of, ironically 21:15 benrob0329 (Mac OS 10 and the PS3/4, and some other stuff is FreeBSD based already) 21:15 Megaf PS4 is BSD based 21:16 Megaf macOS is BSD based 21:16 Megaf Haiku is a mix of BeOS and BSD 21:17 benrob0329 BSS will take the market by becoming the market 21:17 benrob0329 *BSD 21:17 Megaf Windows will be based on Linux in the future, mark my words 21:18 Megaf And by doing so will stinguish most of the Linux distros 21:18 Megaf Perhaps will buy Canonical and Novel 21:18 Megaf It kinda did already 21:18 benrob0329 Nah, it'll just copy everything 21:18 benrob0329 DOS was made to not be Unix 21:19 celeron55 as long as companies just keep making proprietary stuff off of BSD, it won't really take off from our perspectiv 21:19 celeron55 +e 21:19 Fixer Microsoft had their own UNIX in 80s, so having MS Linux distro is not unusual 21:20 celeron55 the open source BSDs have to become popular in order to make it matter in projects like MT 21:20 * benrob0329 plans on running BSD one of these days 21:21 rdococ celery! 21:22 benrob0329 w0t? 21:22 Megaf BSD is... weird 21:22 Megaf it feels like Linux, but it isnt 21:22 benrob0329 BSD is awesome 21:22 benrob0329 The commands make sense 21:22 Megaf feels like mac to, but its not mac either 21:22 Megaf I kinda feel a little lost on BSD 21:22 benrob0329 mixer 50 to set the volume, pkg is the package manager 21:22 Megaf I rather use macOS that looks like macOS and have all BSD commands or use Haiku, that just follows POSIX 21:22 benrob0329 rsync is no longer the odd one out with the directory slash 21:23 benrob0329 Anyways, back to decapitating the grass 21:24 Megaf !server 21:24 ShadowBot Megaf: VAMPIRES WORLD | minetesthosting.com | Port: 30896 | Clients: 1/1 | Version: 0.4.14 | Ping: 113ms 21:24 Megaf !server Megaf 21:24 ShadowBot Megaf: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} ] 21:24 Megaf !server mt.megaf.info 21:24 ShadowBot Megaf: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} ] 21:24 Megaf !server mt.megaf.info,30003 21:24 ShadowBot Megaf: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} ] 21:25 Megaf I give up 21:26 Megaf "Hi abc1736549752, 21:26 Megaf You're receiving this email because you requested a password reset for your EA Account. If you did not request this change, you can safely ignore this email." 21:26 Megaf lol 21:26 Megaf first, my ID is not that 21:26 Megaf second, I don't have an EA account 21:30 Fixer maaaaaaaan 21:30 Fixer minimap is sooo taxing on fps 21:31 Megaf https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6429#issuecomment-330362337 21:32 bigfoot547 Fixer: +1 21:48 Fixer holy crapppp 21:48 Fixer that carpathian seed is insanely flat 21:49 Calinou minimap is sooo taxing on fps 21:49 Calinou yeah :( 21:49 Calinou I disable it 21:50 Fixer even minimap mod for mc beta 1.7.3 runs flawlessly compared to ours 21:54 Calinou yep, Rei's minimap was cool 21:54 Calinou (but proprietary) 21:54 Calinou (just like VoxelMap, even today) 21:55 Fixer yeah, reis one 21:56 Calinou "Please do not modifications to enable mob radar on all servers." 21:56 Calinou English wasn't Rei's strength :) 21:56 Calinou (he's Japanese) 21:57 Fixer still amazing 21:57 Fixer fps 21:57 Fixer and enabling it in minetest @ fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck 21:57 Fixer -30% of fps down or more 22:02 Fixer carpathian 2000x2000 area alt map: https://i.imgur.com/XmDxuQ5.jpg 22:03 Fixer flat seed 22:20 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12XqrSJ3RMY 22:25 CalebDavis i am creating a particle spawner that is attached to the player but the particles only show up within (-100, -100) and (100, 100) 22:30 CalebDavis is there a reason for that? 22:32 Fixer CalebDavis: yep 22:32 Fixer CalebDavis: there is restriction of distance for them since not long ago 22:34 CalebDavis but i am right next to the spawner 22:34 Fixer CalebDavis: don't remember if it reactivates though when you come into range 22:37 CalebDavis yes it does but the range seems to be calculated based on (0,0,0) not on my location 23:01 benrob0329 Calinou: didn't he leave minetest though? 23:03 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxXs0Yy5-0Y BESTEST 23:07 benrob0329 Oook then 23:07 benrob0329 Answer: Don't use Windows, for other reasons too 23:36 Jordach Fixer, how about update on time instead of deferring like fuck 23:36 Jordach i've avoided all the major malware by doing so 23:37 Fixer Jordach: to be slave of the MS? 23:37 Jordach Fixer, updates are provided for a reason 23:37 Jordach just like arch 23:37 Fixer Jordach: he can update, but after doing his work, there is no need to DEEP THROAT HIM 23:37 Jordach update or suffer the zero-day 23:38 Fixer Jordach: thats his choice 23:38 Fixer to suffer 0-day or not 23:38 Jordach Fixer, and that there is the reason for the forced updates 23:38 Jordach self darwinism :^) 23:38 Fixer nanny MS 23:39 Fixer it should be within reason 23:39 Fixer not this forced shutdown in the middle of your work 23:39 Jordach if you want control, go Pro 23:39 Jordach Home was meant for grandparents and technically inept 23:40 Jordach not prosumers or power users 23:40 Fixer Jordach: close to nobody cares about 0-day, there are countless XXX millions or billions of PC/devices without updates and it just lives how it lives, someone get hacked, someone data destroyed, they reinstall that WinShit and start it over 23:41 Jordach Fixer, it's the result of people being complacent and not wanting to learn 23:41 Fixer it just MS does updates in really shitty ways 23:42 Fixer they can install updates in background and then apply on next startup, what the fucking problem? 23:42 Jordach Fixer, it already does that in CU1 23:42 Jordach (mine actually works like that) 23:42 Fixer Jordach: what is CU1? 23:42 Jordach Creators Update 1 23:42 Jordach the next one is soom*tm 23:43 Fixer ok 23:43 Fixer ms relearns basics 23:44 Fixer maybe they learn in 10 years not to redo UI every release 23:44 Fixer and not cripple the OS 23:44 Fixer generally 23:45 Jordach Fixer, google redos their UI every 3 days 23:45 Jordach where's the complaints for that 23:45 Fixer Jordach: fuck google, fuck ms 23:45 Fixer lots of companies do that shit 23:45 Fixer it annoys a lot of people incl me 23:46 Fixer next day some moron-hipster decides today UI is not fancy enough and makes it 4D shit with controls via your anus or smth 23:47 Jordach >thinks node.js is better than LAMP 23:47 Fixer they forgot that this shit... called OS is just a thing for managing hardware and letting user do its job via programs 23:47 Jordach >breaks entire server 23:48 Jordach PHP is so much better than node 23:48 Fixer different tastes of shit 23:48 Jordach Fixer, at least PHP is stable and doesn't have retarded handling 23:48 Fixer and js is just cancer 23:52 Fixer i'm really waiting for smth bigger and smarter than 0 day 23:52 Fixer like covertly compromising some win 10 update, pushing it to everyone and boom 23:53 Fixer smth that is widely used and relied on 23:53 Fixer but on global scale 23:53 Fixer maybe in many places at the same time