Time Nick Message 01:26 KaadmY Calinou: I'm here now 01:27 KaadmY Also have you heard of PMs :P 07:09 rdococ hi hi hi hi 07:10 lisac hey rdococ 07:13 rdococ gtg 09:55 Megaf lol, according to Geekbench this is the fastest performing CPU in single core https://ark.intel.com/products/97527/Intel-Core-i3-7350K-Processor-4M-Cache-4_20-GHz 09:55 Megaf https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu?dir=desc&sort=score 11:45 Calinou hi :) 11:45 Calinou KaadmY: no, I forgot :P anyway I was asleep at 3AM (UTC+2) :P 11:45 Calinou also, for EU citizens mostly (but non-EU citizens can also join in): https://publiccode.eu/openletter/ 11:49 Raven262 Hi Calinou. 11:49 Calinou hi :) 12:38 twoelk is anybody updating his git clones on windows with a batch file? 13:10 Aerozoic Hmm... Why doesn't minetest have a wikipedia page? It seems to be the only FOSS that doesn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_video_games 13:11 twoelk the minetest page launches at wikipedia have been deleted multiple times 13:12 twoelk it seems as if nobody connected with mt is allowed to write such an article 13:12 Fixer Aerozoic: stigma against minetest due to minecraft 13:13 Aerozoic wtf 13:13 twoelk nope just no mentioning in any media that is not done by minetest people 13:14 twoelk we would need coverage by someone who is not a dev, modder or forum writer 13:15 twoelk so someone has to report about minetest without being part of the community 13:15 Aerozoic That doesn't make sense. That eliminates anybody familiar with it. 13:16 Aerozoic How could any wiki ever get written? 13:16 Aerozoic For any game? 13:17 twoelk the wiki is not supposed to be written by people who know something first hand but rather by people who quote several different sources that might have first hand knowledge 13:18 Aerozoic So all attempts have been deleted due to lack of sources? 13:18 twoelk yeah - hardly any outside sources exist 13:19 Aerozoic hmm, i'm gonna look at the sources for all those other games. 13:20 twoelk don't go and point out the others that got smuggled in, leave them in for the use of all :-D 13:21 twoelk rather make your local newspaper aware of minetest 13:22 Aerozoic XD Nah, i just find this interesting. 13:24 twoelk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEue4-iNGtA and http://www.ocsmag.com/2016/04/04/mining-for-education/#5 are the only relative unrelated and usefull links I remember 13:25 twoelk there are other things such as teacher-user groups but they are not really that public 13:29 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EUP6k2EGyQ 13:31 Aerozoic I was mainly just curious, i won't actually be doing anything about it. 13:32 twoelk :-( 13:33 Aerozoic It seems there are lots of games with few resources that have a wiki page so it makes me think there is some political BS going on. 13:36 twoelk well it is on wikipedia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest it just kept getting deleted in the english version :-P 13:37 Aerozoic lol 13:37 Aerozoic very interesting! 13:38 Fixer yeah, thats right, thats wikipedia for you 13:38 srifqi Indonesian version even has "reviewed" status. https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest 13:41 twoelk VanessaE for example did some writting for the english version and so the criticism it might be self promoting is understandable as she was very much involved at the time and still is an important server owner 13:45 srifqi That version is where the Indonesian version based. .-. 13:46 srifqi or rubenwardy's? I forget which one. 13:47 celeron55 Calinou: seems like a good campaign 14:11 Fixer *,....,* 14:12 twoelk here's the old discussion on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Minetest, cant find the last version 14:13 srifqi You can't because it has been deleted. .-. 14:16 twoelk well there are sites that save deleted articles 14:31 Aerozoic Why does the MT readme have users installing the dev version instead of the stable version? 15:04 celeron55 Aerozoic: probably because it was written before a stable version existed :P 15:05 celeron55 whether that should be the case, dunno 15:05 celeron55 github doesn't give an option to have different readmes for different branches or tags 15:05 celeron55 so it will be wrong no matter what it says 15:06 celeron55 i guess a different readme could be maintained on the stable branch if someone is crazy enough to want to do that 15:07 celeron55 maybe it should list the available version options though 15:09 celeron55 that has the issue that technically there's nothing to point to if you want the latest stable version with a single link; the stable branch HEAD isn't stable, only the tags in there are 15:12 Calinou we would need coverage by someone who is not a dev, modder or forum writer 15:12 Calinou time to poke Jim Sterling, Vsauce and PewDiePie I guess 15:12 * Calinou hides 15:12 Calinou also, as time passes, it becomes harder and harder to "have" a page on Wikipedia 15:12 Aerozoic Is a forum writer anyone who has ever posted on the forum? 15:12 Calinou (since there are new ones every day) 15:13 Calinou well, Wikipedia would rather have you be a complete outsider, by the looks of it 15:13 Calinou which is sad, because it's the perfect way to write an article in the most clueless way possible 15:13 Aerozoic yup 15:13 Calinou srifqi: non-English Wikipedias tend to be more chill with the issue 15:14 Calinou English Wikipedia is de_dust2 with 64 players, other wikis are that unpopular map with 4 players 15:14 * Calinou hides again 15:15 srifqi Calinou, I agree on that. 15:15 celeron55 english wikipedia basically wants that some big money media has written about a subject before it's allowed there, except if you were early and sneaky enough 15:25 benrob0329 haven't we had several well known people at least mention Minetest? 15:28 srifqi benrob0329, who? 15:29 benrob0329 Idr, that's why I asked 15:35 Calinou benrob0329: time for a Trump tweet? ;) 15:35 benrob0329 Calinou: don't have a Twitter account 15:36 Jordach must be 100% certified fresh hipster grade foss software grown by millennials in starbucks 15:36 Jordach with an LLC startup.io 15:39 * Jordach goes back to programming the LEDs on Jordach's keyboard 15:59 Fixer Calinou: de_dust...***** Eh, if you look pirated CS 1.6 serverlist - more than half of anything is de_dust related 16:13 benrob0329 Why is it so popular? 16:23 benrob0329 Calinou: but then again, Wikipedia would probably say that he is "Not Our President" 16:23 Calinou benrob0329: every game has its overly popular map 16:24 benrob0329 True 16:38 celeron55 i did some writing for fun, not sure what to do with it https://gist.github.com/celeron55/665de564a2e6535659363e205153d77d 16:41 twoelk put it on a flyer and through them at the next LinuxDays or gamescon 16:41 celeron55 do anything you like with it 16:41 celeron55 CC0 16:41 twoelk or actually hand them out to teachers 16:43 rdococ yey 16:45 celeron55 i don't think most teachers appreciate such a half-product as MT is; they don't have time for it 16:48 twoelk true - but only sometimes 16:49 twoelk but thinking of it a little one-page pdf for download on the homepage might be of interest 16:49 celeron55 did you even read it :D 16:50 twoelk the honking and farting manifest? 17:27 Fixer celeron55: minetest game needs bigger push 17:32 benrob0329 Specifically in the game direction :P 17:32 celeron55 bigger push? 17:32 Fixer celeron55: kick in the window or smth 17:33 celeron55 wait what 17:33 Fixer celeron55: engine itself is good, but mtg is not following its success 17:33 celeron55 i think i'll spam this press release to every media i can find, for fun 17:33 benrob0329 Lol, I think he means that MTG needs a kick in the pants to get it going 17:35 Fixer "French Company Plans To Heat Homes, Offices With AMD Ryzen Pro Processors" 17:38 celeron55 i need a ridiculous screenshot to go with this text 17:38 celeron55 or a good one 17:38 Fixer pepe and pedobear one 17:38 celeron55 definitely not memes 17:40 Fixer ｓａｄ 17:42 Fixer celeron55: and they like install minetest @ badly animated sams with nothing in hands 17:43 benrob0329 celeron55: feel free to take anything from my cinematic videos 17:43 Fixer ｃｉｎｅｍａｔｉｃ 17:44 celeron55 Jordach: i'm going to steal a random screenshot from you probably 17:44 celeron55 don't get mad 17:44 celeron55 it's going to be used in a joke against minetest 17:45 celeron55 just like everything i do 17:45 Fixer ｙｏｕ　ａｒｅ　ｍａｋｉｎｇ　ｉｔ　ｗｏｒｓｅ 17:45 celeron55 i'm your PR guy, trust me i'm good 17:47 Fixer ＤＰＲ　ｇｕｙ 17:52 Shara Hi everyone 17:59 benrob0329 Hi Shara 17:59 Shara Hi benrob0329 :) 18:00 benrob0329 Whats up? 18:01 Shara What isn't? :P 18:01 Shara Crazy busy at the moment. 18:01 benrob0329 That is life for you 18:02 Jordach celeron55, don't use http[s]://jordach.net 18:02 Jordach the server is now in deprecation 18:03 Shara benrob0329: Anymore good videos lately? I want more good videos. 18:07 benrob0329 Shara: I made a thing in blender the other day 18:07 Shara Link? :D 18:07 Shara Assuming there is something to see anyway 18:07 Shara I'm still too scared of blender. 18:08 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/p1lfQJz3WqE 18:08 benrob0329 Its not bad once you get the basics 18:09 Jordach git gud 18:09 Jordach will be fixing things soonish 18:10 Shara Tardis :) 18:10 benrob0329 Ofc :D 18:11 benrob0329 That face is a particle system, featuring 80,000 particles iirc 18:13 * Jordach points jordach.net at the new dedicated server 18:13 benrob0329 Most of the time was spent compositing, not rendering though 18:23 celeron55 it's really difficult to find even any blogs that might care about my silly press release 18:24 celeron55 this world is so boring, i guess that's why we're all here 18:24 benrob0329 celeron55: post it to something like minds.com 18:26 celeron55 i did post it in my blog and tweeted it; that's... 29 followers 18:26 sofar hmm, I wonder if i can override irc commands from kaeza's irc mod to customize it (the func, essentially) 18:26 garywhite what press release? 18:27 celeron55 benrob0329: minds.com is like twitter but with long posts, right? 18:28 benrob0329 celeron55: and videos and its open source 18:28 Shara I customised quite a few IRC commands on my servers. 18:28 Shara Nothing extreme, but still. 18:28 benrob0329 So you would write a blog, then remind that blog onto your timeline 18:29 celeron55 well i don't have any followers so nobody would see it 18:29 celeron55 i just want people to see this and go on with life, not like begin actually doing anything! 18:32 benrob0329 celeron55: your given some points when you join, you can boost the post with those points 18:32 benrob0329 I have 2.5k points atm, 1 point per view 18:33 benrob0329 (You get 50 every once in a while, which is where most of them come from ) 18:36 celeron55 i do have an account there since like months ago 18:36 celeron55 but my password is in my password manager that i don't have access to now 8) 18:36 * celeron55 is proud of not knowing his passwords 18:38 celeron55 or maybe i don't... hmm 18:38 celeron55 it's a good question 18:39 celeron55 oh i do 18:39 celeron55 ok let's see 18:39 celeron55 at least i can get rid of these points, that i'm sure about 19:00 celeron55 https://www.minds.com/blog/view/754774999667056642 19:01 celeron55 lol, this is like squeezing whipped cream on a sausage 19:02 benrob0329 Wait what 19:04 Fixer celeron55: have you seen auroras recently? 19:05 shivajiva well done c55 :P 19:05 benrob0329 celeron55: now remind and boost it :P 19:15 rdococ hello fellow members of the species of homo sapiens. 19:16 rdococ due to unforeseen circumstance, I am currently using Winders. 19:16 rdococ wait, this channel probably has mode +c 19:16 sofar celeron55: I like the fart noises 19:17 * rdococ farts 19:17 rdococ oops 19:21 celeron55 i think minetest.net should probably be just a blog written by me; the current one is way too serious 19:22 celeron55 the only problem with that is that i'm way too lazy 19:23 Fixer broccoli fart noises 19:27 celeron55 Minetest in its entirety is just a joke and you all are the people that didn't get it 19:27 celeron55 i'm so sorry 19:29 shivajiva lol 19:29 shivajiva you'd better be! 19:30 garywhite mode may be +m$ rdococ 19:30 rdococ +m$? 19:30 rdococ no, it just seems to be +cmnt 19:31 celeron55 ok, actually i'm not sorry; but it still is the greatest joke ever; it's absolutely glorious 19:32 celeron55 and as such it must be continued 19:32 Shara in even more glorious ways? 19:33 celeron55 i really hope someone publishes my press release as-is; that would make my day 19:33 celeron55 probably not going to happen though 19:36 shivajiva I think you just assured it will appear somewhere 19:41 benrob0329 totallynotashadyweb.site 19:42 benrob0329 (don't actually click that link, I have no idea what it goes to) 19:42 celeron55 totally not to a shady website, is my guess 19:42 garywhite doesn't exist benrob, there is no .site domain 19:43 benrob0329 Aww 19:43 garywhite aw crap there is 19:43 garywhite but that^ is not a real website 19:43 benrob0329 Yay! 19:44 benrob0329 Is the domain available? 19:44 garywhite idk 19:45 celeron55 it is, and it's on sale 19:45 garywhite Too out of it to look...spent Mon & Tue trying to get through to ISP 19:46 Fixer celeron55: ｂｉｇｇｅｓｔ　ｔｒｏｌｌ　ｉｎ　ＯＳＳ　ｈｉｓｔｏｒｙ 19:46 benrob0329 Hahaha 19:46 benrob0329 I gotta get it, or someone does 19:51 benrob0329 I got it 19:52 benrob0329 I have a friend who does domain hosting, so I get it cheaper than godaddy :D 19:52 Fixer godaddy is the worst name ever 19:52 Fixer totally worst 19:53 Fixer they smoked shit instead of weed. sad 19:54 benrob0329 celeron55: expect that blog to be posted on a totally not super shady website 19:59 celeron55 don' 19:59 celeron55 don't use godaddy, ever 19:59 celeron55 don't use any domain seller that comes up in first search results 20:00 benrob0329 I don't 20:00 celeron55 i use name.com, it's been quite fine 20:02 celeron55 or, i mean, i can't think of anything to complain about 20:06 Calinou godaddy is indeed not a good choice 20:06 Calinou if your son yells "Go Daddy!" do you, he also is not a good choice either 20:06 * Calinou hides 20:06 Calinou to you* 20:24 Fixer "My daddy says fuck your daddy" (c) 20:32 CWz yey firefox added more icons to the address bar YAY 20:37 Jordach REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 20:37 Jordach >apache2 20:37 Jordach >two domains 20:37 Jordach >certbot 20:38 Jordach >nextcloud and pomf fighting for first place 20:38 Jordach both addresses must have pomf at the site root, and nextcloud at /nextcloud/ 20:39 sfan5 >not using nginx 20:39 celeron55 i wonder what would be too big a joke 20:39 celeron55 like, what if windows was a joke 20:39 Jordach mv pomf.conf 0pomf.conf 20:39 Jordach >restarts apache 20:39 Jordach >shit works 20:39 celeron55 all the microsoft investors and executives think it's funny 20:39 celeron55 and just go on and almost die laughing in meetings 20:39 Jordach why does apache sort by fucking name and not by site-enabled date 20:41 celeron55 name is a whole lot more controllable 20:41 celeron55 that's what udev does too; you just add zeroes to the begin if you want to be first 20:41 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/nRZoXdu.png 20:42 Jordach my word of the day rhymes with punt 20:42 paramat celeron55 i made a MT car for you https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6363#issuecomment-329066307 'Car55' it has the finnish flag on the roof. from my mod 'mesecar' 20:42 Jordach >nissan cube 20:42 Jordach >not a dorito spinner mazda 20:44 paramat the mod also has a 'nyancart', 'oerkka' and a 'mesecar' 20:45 paramat screenshot https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7967 20:50 benrob0329 MTG needs more humor 20:51 paramat they're crafted using a mese battery, run on 'mesecon' power i guess 20:52 Jordach celeron55, how to fix apache2 20:52 Jordach blob:https://imgur.com/df294206-3feb-4c8f-b901-403fdbfc327c 20:52 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/Dynx9IM.png 20:55 Jordach i forgot mv for a moment 20:58 nerzhul rename by copy, LOL 20:58 nerzhul i hope your file is not 100GB of data :p 20:58 Jordach simple apache conf file 20:58 Jordach certbot became literally autistic 20:58 nerzhul certbot is for LE ? 20:58 celeron55 if you use cp -l, it'll be fast 8) 20:58 Jordach yep 20:59 nerzhul i use acme-client on FreeBSD it works like a charm, my nginx configuration is reloaded and my dovecot/postfix configuration too, i have nothing to do, BSD powa :p 20:59 nerzhul celeron55, hardlink crap :p 20:59 nerzhul but faster 21:00 celeron55 mv is basically cp -l and rm 21:00 nerzhul you can also do ln -s :p 21:00 nerzhul cat file > file2 && rm -f file 21:00 nerzhul :p 21:02 nerzhul rsync -avP file file2 21:12 benrob0329 nerzhul: doesn't actually copy the data, just changes the nodes in the index afaik 21:13 benrob0329 Wait, was thinking of mv 21:14 Fixer rename with copy and delete? 21:14 benrob0329 It doesn't need to actually move the data, just rename the path 21:14 benrob0329 So what's the difference? 21:15 Fixer /music plays 21:17 Jordach *chords to mac plus starts playing* 21:18 benrob0329 Linux: OSS doesn't do everything we want, so let's create a brand new sound system embedded in the kernel incompatible with everyone else that still has many of the same issues the old on has, and then make another layer on top of that because we wont just patch the base system to do what we want. 21:19 benrob0329 FreeBSD: Lets just add the features we want 21:19 Jordach Linux's turn of desktop of the year: ETA HL3 21:20 benrob0329 There are reasons i'd move to FreeBSD in a heartbeat if drivers allowed it 21:22 benrob0329 If Vega support rolls out though... 21:23 benrob0329 "Mom! Get your credit card!" 21:24 celeron55 free software was created because of politics, but politics is what ruins free software 21:24 celeron55 it's weird 21:26 celeron55 i guess it's a matter of not being dumb vs. being dumb 21:27 nerzhul benrob0329, same for me, i talked with bapt this evening about that (he is french and i meet him IRL) 21:27 nerzhul BSD are not for hype but working good 21:27 benrob0329 Cool 21:27 benrob0329 I was just told that 12-RELEASE will have Vega Support 21:29 nerzhul yes i see i'm on the chan, but he is not a core team member we will see, 11.1 is recent, don't hope for 12 before a 11.2 at least :) 21:29 benrob0329 True 21:31 benrob0329 But idc of I have to run a Linux VM to play steam Games, FreeBSD is a really nice OS as far as Unixes go 21:37 Fixer *,,,,,,* 21:38 Fixer buy amd ryzen and two GPUs @ install linux @ install windows in KVM with PCI-passthrough @ die as elite monk 21:42 Jordach https://i.redd.it/la5ueclqaklz.png 21:42 Fixer Jordach: bestest 21:51 Fixer celeron55: free as in freedom 22:04 shivajiva free as in free beer maybe 22:06 celeron55 free as in freely give your personal information to drug and porn companies and the NWO 22:06 celeron55 wait, what are we talking about? 22:06 celeron55 8) 22:06 shivajiva :O 22:07 shivajiva beer ofc 22:07 Fixer FREEDOM 22:07 celeron55 beerdom 22:07 shivajiva or doughnuts 22:07 Shara I'll take the doughnuts 22:08 shivajiva haha 22:08 shivajiva that came from nowhere :P 22:08 Shara I sense when there are doughnuts 22:09 celeron55 i'll take the NWO; just give me a space station with lasers 22:09 shivajiva would that be for Nibiru's arrival 22:11 celeron55 let multiple uses 22:11 celeron55 let's say, multiple uses* 22:11 celeron55 (this keyboard hates me) 22:16 celeron55 i wonder, if i made/led a game for minetest, if anyone would want to bundle it with the engine 22:16 paramat probably 22:16 celeron55 probably most packagers have a very different taste than i do 22:17 paramat we really need new subgames 22:17 celeron55 really the only way i would enjoy it would be if it would be packaged no matter what i put in it 22:18 celeron55 any oversight by others and the artist in me dies 22:18 paramat heh i'd actually be ok with that, we don't lose anything however weird or silly it is 22:21 paramat (i like weird or silly) 22:21 Shara I like weird/silly if it's also good :) 22:22 benrob0329 Seeing as how Minetest was made as a joke, nothing else really fits :D 22:26 paramat anyway let me know if you need a new specialised mapgen for it 22:36 sfan5 celeron55: do you happen to know the difference between the SAO attrs m_removed and m_pending_deactivation? 22:37 sfan5 the comments in serverobject.h both describe the same procedure 22:46 sfan5 code sets m_pending_deactivation = false on newly created SAOs while false is the default especially if you create new ones 22:46 sfan5 ??? 22:46 sfan5 it all makes no sense 22:57 celeron55 sfan5: m_removed means the object will be removed when possible (i.e. when clients know about the removal), m_pending_deactivation means the object will be deactivated (i.e. turned to a static object for storage) after it has been removed from the clients 22:57 celeron55 from the client's perspective, both look the same 22:58 sfan5 hm 22:58 celeron55 from the server's perspective, a deactivated one is saved unlike a removed one which is put to /dev/null 22:58 sfan5 the comments certainly don't do a good job of explaining that distinction 22:59 celeron55 feel free to improve i guess 23:05 sfan5 the object related code in serverenvironment.cpp has way too many almost identical code segments that do the same thing in different contexts 23:06 sfan5 e.g. clearObjects() has code to delete static data from a block and so does removeRemovedObjects()