Time  Nick         Message
00:07 benrob0329   Megaf: right now I have a space/stars type background on my desktop, and a glowing Suzanne (blender monkey thing) on my laptop
00:53 Aerozoic     rubenwardy, yeah i use wine to run minetest if i need to copy/paste something since linux version doesn't allow it for some reason.
01:10 benrob0329   Copy/paste has always worked for me
04:49 * benrob0329 shamelessly states that he has created a Minds account, because its an open source YouTube alternative and /me is also putting all his videos on it https://www.minds.com/benrob0329
05:39 benrob0329   I need to start putting the video titles in the videos themselves, Minds assumes that you do because you have to use part of the video as the thumbnail.
07:23 rdococ       moo.
07:28 tenplus1     hi folks
07:30 tenplus1     hi lisac
07:33 rdococ       hi tenplus1
07:33 tenplus1     hi rdococ
07:33 rdococ       I hope you evaluate to 11 or the world has gone mad
07:33 tenplus1     lol
07:33 tenplus1     the world has already gone mad, too late
07:33 rdococ       oh
07:33 rdococ       ...okay
07:33 rdococ       :P
07:34 tenplus1     am thinking of how to make Mobs Redo spider jump at player and climb walls...
07:35 sofar        rdococ: back to building you
07:35 tenplus1     hi sofar
07:35 sofar        tenplus1: how far did you get on Inside the Box?
07:36 tenplus1     I played the tutorial levels 1 by 1... lemmie sign on and check
07:36 sofar        saw you logged on, didn't see how far you got
07:36 sofar        we added 2 new boxes to the "master series" ... amazingly good levels
07:37 sofar        someone spent 5hrs on one of the levels
07:37 rdococ       lol
07:37 tenplus1     tutorial level part 8
07:37 sofar        ah pretty good, almost at the end of the tutorial for now then
07:37 tenplus1     I like the puzzles, but hiding a button near a fall is sneaky
07:37 sofar        seems the tutorial is difficult enough I might consider making it slightly easier
07:38 sofar        you can get to that one without falling :)
07:38 sofar        although my son just suicide jumped to get it
07:38 sofar        lol
07:38 sofar        "that's one way to do it"
07:39 tenplus1     was the easiest way :D
07:39 rdococ       lol
07:39 sofar        aight, bedtime for real now
07:39 tenplus1     o/
07:48 lisac        hey tenplus1
07:48 lisac        tenplus1, seeing that your server uses toolranks, I'd really hate to change stuff without asking you. Have you seen the code this random person posted on my forum post?
07:49 tenplus1     yeah I saw it earlier...  personally level 6 is fine, we dont wanna OP tools so they never break... but the choice is yours
07:50 lisac        hm you are right. Tools still need to spend some materials for repair. If they spend too little, they become OPed.
07:51 lisac        what about raising the node count?
07:52 tenplus1     that would be fine :) dont want it to be too easy now... digging 1200 nodes for level 6 tools is kinda easy
07:52 tenplus1     or is it 2400...lol
07:52 benrob0329   tenplus1: I've started posting to minds.com
07:53 benrob0329   Also i'm up way too late but whatevs
07:53 tenplus1     ehehe hi benrob... what's minds.com ?
07:53 benrob0329   An open source social media/content sharing site
07:54 benrob0329   That isnt blockchain based
07:56 tenplus1     they are ?
07:56 tenplus1     never knew
07:56 benrob0329   \>isn't
08:02 benrob0329   Gonna work on the rest of the videos sometime tomorrow
08:02 tenplus1     checking it out now...
08:03 benrob0329   Got the first 3 *shudder*
08:03 benrob0329   That high pitched voice..its just awful
08:04 tenplus1     watching "Drug War Exposed"
08:05 benrob0329   Alright, gnight
08:06 tenplus1     hi raven
08:06 tenplus1     nite ben
08:23 tenplus1     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD6QTAb1SHE
08:25 lisac        tenplus1, https://github.com/lisacvuk/minetest-toolranks/commit/923fb61054791376e05a12e3a511fd0a37560e93
08:27 tenplus1     kewl thanks :) will update xanadu today with new levels
08:33 tenplus1     why not add a special enchantment item you can use to make tools infinite
08:34 rdococ       yey
08:34 rdococ       an anvil would be cool
08:34 rdococ       you'd be able to take a tool or armor, and the material it uses, and smelt them to get a repaired tool
08:34 tenplus1     lisac: something super hard to craft, takes forever to get items needed, place in crafting 1st with tool next and changes level to 100 which level check interprits as NO WEAR
08:35 rdococ       lol
08:35 lisac        hmm
08:35 tenplus1     yeah rdococ, we do need an anvil to place items like tools and armor we can repair with simple ingots and diamonds etc
08:35 lisac        not sure that is a good idea.
08:35 lisac        Maybe call it 'limited tool'?
08:35 rdococ       lava sword
08:35 lisac        and make it possible to craft max of 1000 of those.
08:35 rdococ       very strong, but only one hit before it melts
08:36 lisac        tenplus1, if you make something rare and very useful, you simply ask for grinding those materials.
08:36 rdococ       true
08:36 lisac        ex. players only searching for them
08:37 rdococ       and it would become rare no longer
08:37 tenplus1     hrm, something that gives progression to the game
08:37 rdococ       something that gets rarer to find as time goes on?
08:38 tenplus1     that would be ideal
08:38 tenplus1     I did that with crystal spikes in ethereal, but too many players know how to farm them now :D
08:38 rdococ       even if that spurs people into grinding a lot of it early on, once the supply from that can't meet the demand, the number of that item will drop by a lot
08:39 lisac        tenplus1, I had a great idea a while ago
08:39 lisac        add 'reskins' basically tools which look different
08:39 tenplus1     do tell
08:40 lisac        they are colored very differently
08:40 lisac        and probably based of a single tool
08:40 lisac        like a diamond pickaxe but purple colored
08:40 tenplus1     xdecor does that with enchantment table... it's limited in it's own ways
08:40 rdococ       mw ha ha! your purple diamond sword is no match for my red diamond sword!
08:40 lisac        yes: but these aren't craftable
08:41 lisac        you need to find them in chests inside dungeons.
08:41 lisac        and there are sets.
08:41 lisac        for example purple-red set
08:41 rdococ       idea: gold karat system.
08:41 rdococ       low-karat gold would be easier to find than high-karat gold
08:42 lisac        rdococ, I'd rather just make players able to 'purify' gold
08:42 rdococ       lol, I like how so many people misspell it as carrot
08:42 lisac        using smelting or something.
08:42 rdococ       lisac: what would pure gold do though?
08:42 lisac        it looks nice
08:42 rdococ       that it? :P
08:43 lisac        gold does nothing in MT anyways. :D
08:43 tenplus1     gold is used for many things in my mods...
08:43 rdococ       what would be cool is combining gold with a white metal to get electrum
08:43 Raven262     Hi tenplus1
08:43 tenplus1     protectors, potions, regen foods
08:43 rdococ       electrum would be more durable than the white metal, and stronger than gold
08:43 lisac        tenplus1, these, basically: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Decorated
08:44 tenplus1     but yeah, we need a way to SMELT ores...
08:44 rdococ       also, using a furnace to cook food is a little overkill :P
08:45 lisac        add ovens which can cook only food items, but multiple at once
08:45 Raven262     And require water to cook stuff
08:45 Raven262     also salt
08:45 rdococ       ooh
08:45 tenplus1     https://www.wfp.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/content_page_splash/SUD_20101029_WFP-Pia_Skjels_2.jpg
08:45 rdococ       customizable sandwiches with metadata
08:46 Raven262     :O
08:46 tenplus1     clay pots or skjels
08:46 lisac        hey tenplus1 why not make farming_plus spend water
08:46 tenplus1     spend water ? how u mean
08:46 lisac        like, take the node of water which made the soil wet and remove it
08:46 Raven262     how about limiting the water so it can be depleted when not inside the original source?
08:46 lisac        then prevent water replicating
08:46 rdococ       ooh
08:47 lisac        and you've made a water a rare resource
08:47 lisac        which is nice, right?
08:47 rdococ       ooooOOOOoooOOOoh
08:47 Raven262     water pump + barrels for transport
08:47 tenplus1     many players use permanent water sources... cant take that away from them
08:47 lisac        permanent water sources take away the fun :P
08:47 rdococ       tenplus1: wouldn't mind it in a subgame
08:47 rdococ       in fact, I think I suggested this a while back
08:47 tenplus1     I could make a watering can you need to use on soil to keep it wet... add a timer to soil so it goes dry again... but that woudl lag game
08:47 lisac        and add a water cart, which stores water
08:48 Raven262     basically, same thing that factorio has
08:48 rdococ       also, pipeworks
08:48 lisac        nonono just take away the water when the plant starts growing.
08:48 Raven262     combine with advtrains....
08:48 lisac        1 water == 1 plant
08:48 lisac        combined with ways of transporting water...
08:49 Raven262     We don't have any liquid resources in minetest, except for lava. And lava is transported in the buckets
08:49 rdococ       what I really want is to change water's physics
08:49 Raven262     water is quite useless in default
08:49 rdococ       I might make a subgame
08:50 rdococ       where water is unrenewable
08:50 tenplus1     that's easily changes
08:50 rdococ       true
08:50 Raven262     like lava on xanadu :P
08:50 tenplus1     yeah :)
08:50 tenplus1     and laval spread
08:50 tenplus1     I limited that to 3 nodes only
08:51 tenplus1     water needs to spread in a stream (a line), not outward 6 blocks... that's weird... also fallign water onto water shouldnt spread but go straight down
08:51 Raven262     so i can't make a tunnel and get lava flow elsewhere?
08:53 rdococ       does pipeworks have support for lava in pipes?
08:53 tenplus1     I think so
08:53 tenplus1     any liquids
08:54 rdococ       I once tried creating finite water...
08:54 rdococ       (in the core)
08:54 rdococ       kinda worked, but not really
08:56 tenplus1     it liquids flow in steps, node by node instead of spreading...e.g.   water starts as water_source and spreads in a line 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 in height
08:56 tenplus1     not outwards
08:57 rdococ       I did create a finite water lua mod once
08:57 rdococ       think it worked except for a few minor bus
08:57 rdococ       bugs
08:58 tenplus1     very server intensive though
08:59 rdococ       I also modified the minetest core once to try and add finite water there
08:59 rdococ       it kinda worked...wait, I already said this :P
08:59 tenplus1     ehehe
08:59 rdococ       it would be cool, though, to modify the liquid flow we already have
09:00 tenplus1     my main argument is spreading on actual water, it shouldnt do that at all
09:00 rdococ       my idea was simple: water should only flow around if there was air, or water of a lower level than it, nearby
09:00 rdococ       as in, flow around and decrease level by one
09:01 rdococ       if not, then the ordinary water flowing operation would be skipped
09:04 tenplus1     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uIRD9sMBU0 minecraft water physics
09:05 rdococ       ik what minecraft water physics are
09:05 rdococ       I just think that we shouldn't restrict minetest's water physics to the same thing
09:05 rdococ       sure, maybe have an option for it, but this is minetest
09:48 tenplus1     wb
09:48 nerzhul      hi
09:49 tenplus1     hi nrz
09:55 rdococ       hi ppl
09:56 tenplus1     o/
10:01 rdococ       hm...
10:01 * rdococ     is still thinking about the unrenewable water thing
10:02 rdococ       Rather than having a white dye, you'd have to craft dyed wool with a bucket of water to get white wool again (and the empty bucket back, of course).
10:02 tenplus1     sounds good
10:03 rdococ       I don't think we need a thirst system, because if we're going to have a hunger mod too, we'd need the water to grow crops anyway.
10:03 tenplus1     yeah, and humans get some of there water needs through food anyhoo
10:03 rdococ       true
10:18 rdococ       we could go one step further and force players to smelt the water to get clean water for growing crops
10:19 tenplus1     cook the water to return pure water and salt as biproduct :)
10:19 rdococ       yeah
10:25 lisac        hey tenplus1 hoppers won't work on Xanadu
10:25 lisac        they just take items into the hopper from the chest above
10:26 lisac        but won't place it into furnace
10:26 tenplus1     checking
10:27 tenplus1     working fine here... am at arena
10:28 lisac        can you tp me? :D
10:35 tenplus1     :P
10:39 rdococ       hm
10:39 rdococ       should I copy minetest_game and then make modifications to each mod, then?
10:40 tenplus1     if you are making your own subgame then yeah, it's a good start...  drop minetest_game folder into your local games one and rename it before editing
10:42 rdococ       yeah
10:43 rdococ       that's what I'm doing
10:43 tenplus1     only thing with that though is you gotta keep up with all the latest changes in minetest_game and apply them to your subgame when needed...
10:43 rdococ       true
10:44 rdococ       at least I have the latest minetest_game for sure (I recompiled MT recently so I could use 0.4.17-stable instead of 0.5.0-dev.)
10:46 rdococ       does the mech mod from insidethebox store relative position, then?
10:48 tenplus1     no idea, havent checked code for that yet
10:49 rdococ       huh, found a way to easily create cool-looking embossed text
10:51 Shara        All fixable compatibility issues between caverealms and CRL should now be fixed, in case anyone was thinking of switching to CRL.
10:52 tenplus1     hi shara
10:52 Shara        hi :P
10:53 tenplus1     what compatibility issues ?
10:53 Shara        There were a few unknowns from the gems/spikes still
10:53 Shara        But added aliases now
10:53 tenplus1     oh, when switching between versions
10:54 Shara        I can't do anything about the mapgen part of course
10:55 Shara        Switching from old caverealms cave generation back to the server's normal mapgen might create weirdness
10:55 tenplus1     lol
10:55 Shara        (but how many maps don't have some weirdness anyway?)
10:56 tenplus1     so true... especially with flight mapgen changes
10:56 tenplus1     *slight
10:58 rdococ       lol
10:59 rdococ       I've copied minetest_game to a new folder, given it a new header and modified the icon, and stuff.
11:00 rdococ       At the moment, the only change is that water is no longer infinitely renewable.
11:00 Shara        what else will you change?
11:00 rdococ       Crops from the farming mod will absorb one node of water when they start growing.
11:00 Shara        If it's only things like that, it would be easier to make a mod with overrides
11:01 rdococ       True.
11:01 Shara        Easier to maintain :P
11:01 tenplus1     yup
11:01 rdococ       should I use register_node(":default:water_source", {stuff}) then?
11:01 rdococ       I only want to modify some properties, so override_node would be a bit of a hassle.
11:02 tenplus1     minetest.override_item(node, stuff)
11:02 rdococ       Isn't there a way to override a node without having to specify every property again?
11:02 tenplus1     you dont have to specify all properties, only the item you wanna change
11:03 tenplus1     minetest.override_item("default:lava_flowing", {liquid_renewable = true, liquid_range = 3})
11:03 rdococ       oh...
11:03 Shara        Isn't it going to get really annoying over time if you do that with water and crops, so that eventually whole seas get drained?
11:04 Shara        Or will you have another method to introduce new water?
11:04 rdococ       true
11:04 rdococ       hm
11:04 rdococ       see, the idea is to make water an actual resource
11:04 Shara        then you need rain that actually... rains?
11:05 rdococ       hm
11:05 Shara        Maybe use a weather mod, and if you can detect when a weather type starts/ends, that's the ohnly time water is renewable?
11:05 Shara        only*
11:05 rdococ       maybe, but meh
11:06 rdococ       I don't know of a good way to make water a resource you have to actually obtain when the world has whole oceans of the stuff
11:06 Shara        Well, yea... But this is why it is renewable by default :P
11:06 Shara        Use a mapgen that has river water...
11:06 Shara        Normal wate ris seawater, therefore salt water
11:06 Shara        water is*
11:07 rdococ       that is true
11:07 tenplus1     you could amend farming to need river_water_source to grow
11:07 rdococ       yeah, I was thinking of that
11:07 Shara        river water isn't renwable ither though
11:07 Shara        renewable*
11:07 rdococ       and maybe you'd be able to smelt sea water into real water, or would that make the resource too common?
11:07 Shara        So you still have the first problem.
11:08 Shara        You'll run the rivers dry if farming consumes water and there is no new river water
11:08 rdococ       true, but not if you can smelt sea water to get river water
11:08 Shara        But if rain makes river water renew, you'd get an interesting flooding mechanic as well maybe... so you'd start wanting rain, but not too much
11:11 rdococ       I have a weather mod, but the rain there depends on where you are - it might be raining where you are, but not where someone else is, for example
11:11 rdococ       I could use an ABM only targeting flowing river water blocks that are nearby source blocks, though.
11:11 Calinou      hi
11:11 tenplus1     hi cal
11:11 Calinou      I had a driving exam this morning, but I'm not confident about the outcome
11:12 rdococ       (the ABM is so that I can control the river water to only renew in the areas it's raining)
11:12 tenplus1     dont worry dude, you'll get better :)
11:12 Shara        Best of luck Calinou :)
11:12 Calinou      thanks
11:29 tenplus1     hi caleb
11:30 CalebDavis   hi ten
11:32 tenplus1     hi thomas
11:32 rdococ       his name is eleven, not ten, caleb
11:32 ThomasMonroe hi ten
11:32 CalebDavis   XD
11:48 rdococ       lol
11:50 tenplus1     hi fixer
11:52 Fixer        Hey-Hey! *,.,,,.,,*
11:56 tenplus1     hi Megaf
12:01 rdococ       hi people of minetest
12:16 tenplus1     hi DS
12:16 DS-minetest  hi
12:18 rdococ       yay
12:20 tenplus1     hi cx384
12:20 cx384        hi tenplus1
12:22 rdococ       hi eleven and hi cx384
12:23 DS-minetest  hi 11, hi rdococ and hi cx384
12:25 rdococ       hi DeeEss-MinetestCore, hi NinePlus2, hi cxThreeHundredAndEightyFour
12:27 rdococ       I'll be on the insidethebox server. yay.
12:27 tenplus1     hi Jordach
12:28 DS-minetest  hi Jordach
12:38 cx384        hi all
12:39 tenplus1     hi CWz
12:51 srifqi       hi
12:51 srifqi       Can anybody guides me how to cross-compile Minetest from Ubuntu on Windows to Windows 64-bit?
12:52 tenplus1     hi srifqi, no idea... sorry
12:53 srifqi       Just from any linux distros to Windows?
12:54 srifqi       Found a page on Minetest Dev Wiki: Compiling Minetest
12:54 tenplus1     hi ruben
12:54 srifqi       rubenwardy?
12:56 srifqi       Maybe I just need to give buildbot64.sh a try.
13:01 rdococ       hi
13:06 srifqi       hi rdococ
13:06 rdococ       hi srandomgibberish
13:19 srifqi       s-rifqi, is that so hard?
13:26 rdococ       s-rith-see?
13:41 srifqi       s-rif-qi
13:41 srifqi       See my signature on MT Forum.
13:41 Calinou      srifqi: it very likely is possible to compile from WSL to Windows, but it's less hacky if you do it directly from Windows with MinGW :P
13:41 srifqi       How?
13:42 srifqi       I mean, I'm being very confused. :(
13:42 Calinou      read: use http://www.msys2.org/
13:42 Calinou      (WSL = Windows Subsystem for Linux)
13:43 srifqi       I already installed it. Then what?
13:44 srifqi       I installed it because I need it for compiling with gtk.
13:45 Calinou      wait, I'm trying to figure out building Minetest from MSYS2, having trouble with OpenGL libraries as usual :|
13:45 srifqi       "g++.exe (Rev1, Built by MSYS2 project) 6.1.0
13:45 srifqi       "
13:47 srifqi       I was running buildbot64.sh on Ubuntu on Windows until it stopped because my GCC compiler version was 4.8.
13:49 Calinou      srifqi: if you use the Creators Update, you can upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04
13:49 Calinou      alternatively, just swap your Ubuntu for an Arch Linux :) https://github.com/alwsl/alwsl
13:50 srifqi       Is it?
13:50 srifqi       How to upgrade?
13:53 Calinou      srifqi: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/upgrade-bash-windows-10-ubuntu-16-04-lts
13:53 Calinou      hmm
13:53 Calinou      that's for Anniversay Updater
13:53 Calinou      -r
13:54 Calinou      on the Creators Update, it is the default version (if you have a new WSL) or if you upgraded from the Anniversary Update, you just do "sudo do-release-upgrade", IIRC
13:54 Calinou      not 100% sure, double-check!
13:54 srifqi       I've already installed Creators Update.
13:54 Calinou      http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/windows-10-linux-subsystem-ubuntu-16-04
13:54 Calinou      "sudo do-release-upgrade" should work
13:54 srifqi       How to check Ubuntu version? (^_^")\
13:55 rdococ       hm
13:55 rdococ       if I want to activate a mesecon effector from a lua script, what is the best way to do it?
13:55 rdococ       I've found an internal 'mesecon.activate' function, but is there a better way?
13:58 srifqi       Calinou, run "sudo do-release-upgrade". Still working....
13:58 Calinou      srifqi: it'll take a while, it downloads and installs a lot of packages
13:58 Calinou      srifqi: to check your Ubuntu version, it's "lsb_release -a" by the way
13:59 srifqi       :O Okay, it was on Ubuntu 14 LTS
14:00 tenplus1     bit old
14:01 srifqi       Probably because IDK how to upgrade. (^_^")\
14:02 rdococ       hm
14:03 srifqi       Have no idea about mesecon in lua.
14:04 rdococ       meh
14:04 rdococ       should I just call the action_on?
14:05 srifqi       Woah 330 MB.
14:05 tenplus1     wb nrz
14:06 tenplus1     srifqi: what you up to ?
14:06 Calinou      330 MB is tiny for a distro upgrade
14:06 Calinou      it's much smaller than an Ubuntu desktop, because the WSL only has CLI components
14:06 tenplus1     ooh, you updating to 16.04.3 ?
14:06 srifqi       But for my connection speed, is, ....
14:06 srifqi       ... taking an hour.
14:07 tenplus1     o/ cx
14:08 rdococ       moo
14:08 cx384        tenplus1 \o
14:12 tenplus1     wb DS
14:13 DS-minetest  thx
14:13 DS-minetest  hi
14:15 * tenplus1   is putting MoreBlocks Lite on Xanadu
14:16 tenplus1     https://funnyjunk.com/channel/WholesomeMemes/Smash+the+sadness/DhpsLQu/
14:32 Calinou      https://i.imgur.com/rgzfUsc.png
14:32 Calinou      time to add this to Minetest? ;)
14:33 tenplus1     lolol
14:33 rdococ       yey
14:33 rdococ       lol
14:34 DS-minetest  hm, it could already be done with a mod
14:34 * tenplus1   has parachute mod :P
14:35 DS-minetest  i mean captcha against bots
14:35 tenplus1     ehehehe
14:39 rdococ       hm
14:41 Calinou      https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/437
14:41 Calinou      this code very fast
14:41 Calinou      remove empty characters
14:41 Fixer        remove
14:43 tenplus1     why have ppl thumbed this up ?!?!?!
14:59 IhrFussel    Hey guys
14:59 tenplus1     hi fussel
15:00 CWz          good morrow everybody!
15:00 tenplus1     o/
15:05 benrob0329   Calinou: thanks for that, now I have a minetest PR to make...
15:07 Calinou      benrob0329: gotta make those GitHub squares on your profile green ;)
15:08 rdococ       lol
15:15 tenplus1     what's the pull for ?
15:16 benrob0329   Making the code faster by removing whitespace ofc
15:16 tenplus1     lolololol
15:16 benrob0329   How else would you do it?
15:17 rdococ       simple
15:17 rdococ       convert it into machine code
15:17 rdococ       then we can modify the machine code to update the core
15:17 rdococ       saves having to compile every time
15:17 rdococ       :P
15:21 srifqi       lol
15:32 srifqi       Downloading done.
15:33 srifqi       Upgrading...
15:33 tenplus1     sweet :P
15:33 tenplus1     you upgrading to 16.04.3 ?
15:39 tenplus1     is anyone here using linux with a baytrail cpu ??
15:56 Jordach      "Atom"
15:56 tenplus1     hi Jordach, atom here also but my other desky is baytrail
15:58 tenplus1     their is an issue with state swapping that freezes Os at times...
16:11 Calinou      heh, I asked a question in #sharex 6 hours ago, nobody replied
16:11 Calinou      79 users :|
16:11 Calinou      in fact, nobody even said anything since I joined that channel
16:11 Calinou      (other than me)=
16:11 Calinou      -=
16:13 sfan5        i know that feel
16:14 Calinou      [crickets]
16:15 Jordach      me_irl
16:29 * benrob0329 works on uploading videos to minds.com
16:30 rdococ       hi
16:30 rdococ       .
16:30 * rdococ     needs hugs
16:31 * benrob0329 hands rdococ an animal to hug
16:33 * tenplus1   hugs rdococ with nettles
16:34 * rdococ     hugs everyone with kittens
16:34 tenplus1     noooo, the kittens are getting stung by nettles
16:38 tenplus1     Xanadu server has been updated, now has latest toolranks update, is using moreblocks lite mod and a few mob tweaks
16:40 rdococ       my new trigger mod has buttons which use node timers, so they won't remain in the pushed state if the server restarts while they're pushed
16:44 tenplus1     kewl
16:45 tenplus1     am watching a video about early crossover compatibility with old computers like amiga/atari and their games... was novel at the time before modems n such
16:52 rdococ       eventually I want to hook the system up to mesecons so it can receive and send mesecon signals
16:52 rdococ       at the moment, it can send them - just not receive them
16:52 rdococ       (so you can activate a piston, but not use a mesecon button to send a trigger)
16:55 * rdococ     proceeds to modify minetest.swap_node to activate an on_swap callback
16:55 rdococ       unsurprisingly doesn't work :P
16:55 rdococ       wait
16:57 tenplus1     did you replace minetest.swap_node function ?
16:57 rdococ       yes
16:57 tenplus1     has anyone heard of the FriendUP operating system for the cloud ??
16:58 Calinou      back in our day, we said "enemy down"…
16:58 Calinou      why "friend up"? :D
16:58 rdococ       which works... except for the pressure plate, for some reason
16:59 tenplus1     lol cal
16:59 rdococ       which doesn't even call on_swap?
16:59 tenplus1     am hearing more and more about this FriendUP OS that can share resources and data streams between pc's all around the world
17:02 rdococ       DeuteragonistLEFT
17:02 rdococ       FrenemyRIGHT
17:02 tenplus1     lol
17:02 tenplus1     DiagonalOS 1.1
17:02 tenplus1     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xif4Lb-SZAo
17:03 rdococ       DiagonalOS should have diagonal windows
17:04 tenplus1     diamond windows... genuis...  would help with my neck crick
17:04 rdococ       I should probably create my own set of buttons etc. though
17:04 tenplus1     ignore that last link, here's the better one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnLTAR_NcIM
17:05 rdococ       and leave interfacing with mesecons to special mesecon nodes
17:05 tenplus1     custom controls for custom mod :)
17:05 tenplus1     wb nrz
17:05 rdococ       ..wait, an OS about friends?
17:05 rdococ       hah! should have called it IRC!
17:05 rdococ       or skype or something
17:05 tenplus1     a cloud based Os that works on all platform, runs the same on all platforms (for testing) , can share resources from user pc's etc
17:06 rdococ       ...actually doesn't sound bad
17:06 tenplus1     personally I think it's the start of Skynet and the human race is doomed :P
17:06 rdococ       lol
17:07 Calinou      I thought we already had an OS about friends… http://www.ponyos.org/
17:07 tenplus1     lolol
17:07 Calinou      in fact, it's an OS for everypony
17:07 Calinou      hey, you can play Quake in it, it's not so bad
17:07 tenplus1     yes, and doom
17:07 tenplus1     shows in the video
17:09 tenplus1     I like the idea of it... everything connects seamlessly for web developers, programmers, all software runs on any friendOs platform etc...   it's kinda like the gnu linux of today
17:11 Calinou      >every time a site supports HTTPS, but does not redirect to it
17:11 Calinou      [cringe]
17:11 tenplus1     ooh, not good
17:11 Calinou      (the aforementioned PonyOS website supports HTTPS, I just manually tested :P)
17:11 rdococ       dude, https?
17:11 tenplus1     is POnyOs linux based ?
17:11 rdococ       they should have switched to the much more secure xhttps
17:11 rdococ       dammit, site owners, keep up with the times
17:11 rdococ       :P
17:12 tenplus1     even my ancient website (written in notepad) was xhttp compliant :P
17:12 Calinou      haha, directory listing is allowed: https://ponyos.org/assets/
17:12 Calinou      tenplus1: nah, it's an OS from scratch, based on ToaruOS, another OS from the same person (PonyOS is just a rebrand)
17:12 Calinou      tenplus1: XHTML, not XHTTPS :p
17:12 Calinou      XHTTPS is just a typo rdococ made, I called it "Extreme HTTPS" or something
17:13 rdococ       but XHTTPS is a good abbreviation
17:13 tenplus1     looks pretty :PPP
17:14 rdococ       lol
17:15 tenplus1     I can see a few new Os' make an appearance to grab the publics attention over winblows and mac
17:16 tenplus1     if I get the idea of FriendUP Os, 100 players can be using Minetest connected to a single server on 1 pc and it shares resources from all 100 systems to run server :) cpu/gpu/mem
17:21 tenplus1     hi Krock
17:23 Krock        hi tenplus1
17:25 tenplus1     Krock: whaddya think of this: https://ponyos.org/assets/
17:25 tenplus1     no no... wrong link. ahhahahah, this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnLTAR_NcIM
17:26 Krock        nice assets
17:26 tenplus1     lol
17:27 tenplus1     https://friendup.cloud/features/ <-- prolly a better idea of what it is... my bad
17:28 Calinou      http://games.hugo.pro/minetest/map_calinou/
17:28 Calinou      there, made a small HTML page for viewing the map
17:28 Krock        well, an OS cloud is a great idea if you have a fast internet connection
17:28 Krock        otherwise it's not really helpful
17:28 Calinou      it just provides crisp edges (IE11/Firefox/Chrome), and a dark background during loading
17:28 Calinou      you can zoom in, pixels stay sharp :P
17:28 tenplus1     nicely done Cal
17:29 Krock        wow. a 10 MiB map. *loads slowly*
17:29 Krock        1/3 loaded
17:29 Calinou      yeah
17:29 Calinou      I'm thinking about writing my own Leaflet-like thing, maybe
17:29 Calinou      just for fun
17:29 Calinou      splitting the map into smaller parts and streaming it, adding panning/zooming with the mouse, X/Z coordinate display…
17:30 Calinou      rotating the map display, maybe, too
17:30 Krock        needs more trees
17:32 Calinou      funny issue of the day: https://github.com/freedoom/freedoom/issues/486
17:32 tenplus1     lolol
17:32 Calinou      turns out Freedoomguy uses fries as shotgun ammo
17:35 rdococ       does he shoot them into his mouth to eat quickly?
17:36 tenplus1     om nom nom nom... doom slaper +10 hp
17:36 tenplus1     *slayer
17:36 Raven262     Doomguy can carry some 100 rockets in his backpack and that was never an issue.
17:36 tenplus1     hi raven
17:36 Raven262     Hi ten
17:37 rdococ       HIS NAME IS ELEVEN!!!
17:37 Raven262     Just found out that is was logged out.
17:37 Raven262     No, he is ten, one was not yet added in the time of his nick's creation.
17:40 tenplus1     o.O
17:41 * tenplus1   hides in null space
17:43 Calinou      I tweaked my ShareX setup so that screenshots/GIFs are automatically uploaded to my server via SFTP, and optimized first using oxipng :)
17:44 Calinou      hi Raven262 :)
17:55 IhrFussel    Well hello there random server crashing bug that was triggered by Server::SendMovePlayer(unsigned short) ... I had this bug for a while now and the worst is it only happens when I'm NOT running the debug build
17:55 tenplus1     ??
17:57 IhrFussel    tenplus1, random movement/position segfault ... SOMETHING must report a non-existent position for a player and everything crashes...it happened right after teleporting to a player so it definitely is about movement
17:59 tenplus1     erk
17:59 IhrFussel    I had this random segfault for months now...it happens completely random...sometimes it happens several times a day...but it could also not happen for a week or so (like now it happened after ~ 1 week again)
17:59 tenplus1     issue ahoy
17:59 IhrFussel    The devs already told me that there's nothing they can do without debug info...and I wasn't able to reproduce it with a debug build yet
18:00 IhrFussel    I tried a few times already and it never happened in the debug version
18:00 tenplus1     same with that damned serialize.h error we have on server... cant track the damn thing and far too random for debug
18:02 IhrFussel    I heard that it's possible that the debug builds run too slow to cause the crashes
18:02 tenplus1     I wouldnt be surprised...
18:02 IhrFussel    I mean if it's caused by race conditions those may never happened in debug mode
18:02 IhrFussel    happen*
18:03 benrob0329   (Offtopic) Video on the history of Linux: https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/631518860628992008
18:03 tenplus1     thx benrob
18:03 IhrFussel    tenplus1, I also had that serialize.h bug in the past...updating MT fixed it for some reasons...or it was fixed by updating a faulty mod
18:04 tenplus1     we dont have it as frequently as before which is great, but it does happen and reset server...  cant track the damned thing down
18:11 IhrFussel    I thought mods couldn't cause segfaults, but they certainly can...I provoked one myself by putting a file handler in the on_use callback of a tool ... when someone dug extremely fast it caused a segfault
18:13 IhrFussel    As soon as I removed that file handler again the segfaults stopped, so it's 100% evidence of mods causing segfaults
18:14 tenplus1     problem is no errors appear to figure what's causing them in the mod
18:14 tenplus1     or entity
18:14 benrob0329   Or of each callback needing its own thread
18:17 tenplus1     wb behalebabo
18:18 behalebabo   ty
18:18 IhrFussel    AFAIK all Lua callbacks run in the same thread so nothing runs parallel...right?
18:20 tenplus1     wb caleb
18:20 CalebDavis   thc
18:20 CalebDavis   thx^
18:33 tenplus1     hi paramat
18:35 rdococ       hi eleven and paramat
18:35 lisac        hey tenplus1, I'm back
18:35 tenplus1     o/
18:36 tenplus1     hi celeron
18:36 lisac        hey celeron55
18:36 Raven262     o/ Calinou
18:36 tenplus1     hi bigfoot
18:36 Raven262     I've been cooking dinner, took a while to get back to pc
18:36 tenplus1     anything nice ?
18:37 rubenwardy   Calinou, I've seen Minetest maps similar to that
18:37 rubenwardy   <Calinou> splitting the map into smaller parts and streaming it, adding panning/zooming with the mouse, X/Z coordinate display…
18:37 lisac        is it just me? https://imgur.com/xjHP376
18:37 rubenwardy   just you
18:37 tenplus1     am in forum just now
18:37 lisac        great
18:37 lisac        it's back now
18:38 rubenwardy   well, at least I'm not getting that
18:38 Calinou      rubenwardy: yeah, MTSatellite, but it looks "shoddy" in design to me :|
18:42 rubenwardy   Calinou, https://minetest.rbose.org/
18:42 rubenwardy   that's leaflet right?
18:42 tenplus1     nice
18:43 tenplus1     http://vps1.jjayr.com/mt/mt02-xanadu2016/map
18:44 rubenwardy   ah, tenplus1's link includes sources
18:44 tenplus1     wb shara
18:45 Calinou      rubenwardy: yep
18:45 Calinou      that one isn't too bad
18:45 tenplus1     hi unk
18:50 benrob0329   rubenwardy: woah
18:50 benrob0329   It's snappy, even on a phone
18:50 benrob0329   Take that, Google maps!
18:50 tenplus1     lol
18:51 Fixer        hmmhmhmmhmhmhmhm
18:52 Fixer        Microsoft Anna Text to Speech thing is quite impressive, I've generated tons of ogg-vorbis files of audiotext that I was too lazy to read about computer history from a blog
18:53 tenplus1     handy
18:53 benrob0329   Fixer: isnt that what festival and the like do?
18:53 Fixer        yes
18:53 Fixer        same thing
18:54 benrob0329   Then why are you using one from Microsoft :^)
18:54 Fixer        windows 7
18:54 benrob0329   Ew
18:54 Fixer        13 hours of text
18:55 benrob0329   Also ew
18:58 Fixer        from here http://www.filfre.net/sitemap/
19:49 Calinou      benrob0329: mobile Chrome isn't so bad, mobile Firefox is another thing
19:49 Calinou      I wish I could use Chromium on Android, but it lacks a DuckDuckGo search option, and reliable content blocking (uBlock Origin)
19:51 tenplus1     try the browser "Ghostery" on android/iphone... it's really good, has privacy options and built in adblock
19:55 Calinou      Ghostery is proprietary, though :(
19:55 Calinou      I'm on Firefox 55, which is supposed to have e10s, but not enabled by default perhaps
19:56 Calinou      Firefox 57 enables it by default, breaking legacy add-ons
20:05 benrob0329   FF has other problems however
20:18 tenplus1     nite folks :)
20:35 Calinou      benrob0329: which problems?
20:35 Calinou      Chromium's devtools are much more complete
20:35 Calinou      but other than that…
20:36 Calinou      (that does matter to me though, as a webdev :P)
20:37 nerzhul      Calinou, it depends on your plugins
20:38 Calinou      Chromium has really good devtools out of the box, without needing any plugins
20:38 Calinou      and there's a dark theme for devtools since ~10 versions or so :P
20:39 Calinou      you can also zoom in/out of the devtools to change the font size
20:40 rubenwardy   I prefer Firefox's dev tools
20:40 rubenwardy   personally
20:40 nerzhul      rubenwardy, +1
20:40 rubenwardy   although it sucks at HTML5 canvas
21:13 benrob0329   Calinou: Pulseaudio as a hard dependency, bad performance on android
21:18 IhrFussel    Firefox sends usage stats to their servers without your permission AFAIK...many people run away from it
21:19 IhrFussel    The market share shrinks...Chrome/Chromium are clearly #1 objectively
21:20 IhrFussel    Firefox had its golden days before Chromium was born
21:21 Calinou      IhrFussel: Chrome does the same thing (telemetry) and it's not fully disableable
21:21 Calinou      (Chromium too)
21:21 Calinou      Firefox makes it possible to fully opt-out (but it doesn't ask you on first start, unfortunately)
21:21 benrob0329   All modern browsers suck in one way or another
21:22 IhrFussel    Most browsers have one major problem: They only work good for ONE OS ... I have yet to find one that features the EXACT same support on multiple OS's
21:23 benrob0329   despite the fact that we have a ton of cross platform libraries nowadays
21:51 IhrFussel    benrob0329, yes to me it seems like nobody really wants to support Linux (outside out Android)
21:51 IhrFussel    outside of*
21:52 Calinou      IhrFussel: it's rare for large software developers with a "commercial" mentality to support Linux well
21:52 Calinou      unfortunately
21:53 Calinou      if you look at most of the Linux game ports, they have performance issues, distribution issues (hard to run on anything that's not Ubuntu), etc
21:53 nerzhul      no it's not rare to support linux, but yes support minetest and UI engine is rare
21:53 Calinou      there is supporting Linux, and supporting Linux *well* :)
21:54 nerzhul      many infrastructure software are from an enterprise (haproxy, nginx, mysql, mariadb, docker, kubernetes, openstack...)
21:56 IhrFussel    Most popular softwares are not available on Linux ... companies don't really care about the ~ 5% desktop users
21:57 nerzhul      but most popular company support linux for enterprise server softwares, sorry :)
21:57 nerzhul      desktop is not important, money is in B2B not B2C when you don't sell hardware
21:57 IhrFussel    Server != desktop ... Desktop support is missing
21:58 IhrFussel    No they just go where the money is...Windows Desktop
21:59 nerzhul      for B2C yes, B2B no
22:00 nerzhul      and you forget android market which is huge
22:00 IhrFussel    I excluded Android cause it's something else
22:00 nerzhul      no, it's B2C too :)
22:01 IhrFussel    But not desktop either...also not server...it's its own category
22:01 nerzhul      and certainly the biggest market we have in B2C these days, windows is not increasing, ANdroid replaces PC, OSX and IOS replaces Windows, and Linux is slowly increasing
22:01 nerzhul      android is a terminal which replaces windows for 80% users needs without problem these days :)
22:02 nerzhul      for the 20% , either do it at work (print, ...) either you don't need :p
22:02 nerzhul      i go to bed, see you, IhrFussel the PR with the bypass has been merged to master
22:05 Calinou      https://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/6xzyfz/reddit_turns_off_access_to_its_main_source_code/
22:05 Calinou      :|
22:08 sfan5        how long took that to reach /r/opensource
22:08 sfan5        i read the same in /r/programming like 4 days ago
22:13 benrob0329   Minds FTW!
22:21 sfan5        https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/6y0zdh/minecraft_story_mode_for_linux_never_got_released/dmkd01v/ hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
22:21 benrob0329   kek
22:22 rubenwardy   what is Minecraft Story Mode?
22:22 rubenwardy   why would a sandbox get a story
22:22 benrob0329   because Minecraft is an rpg?
22:22 rubenwardy   is it even done semi-procedurally, or lazily?
22:23 sfan5        rubenwardy: the other comments explain it pretty well
22:43 srifqi       Calinou: "=== Command terminated with exit status 1 (Tue Sep  5 05:38:48 2017) ==="
22:44 sofar        what's the multiline version of 'label' in formspecs? anyone?
22:44 srifqi       Calinou: upgraded to 16.04.3 LTS
22:56 benrob0329   trying to upload videos over wifi probably wasn't a good idea
22:57 benrob0329   worked fine for the old 720p ones, not so much the 1080