Time  Nick         Message
06:13 lumidify     Calinou, Shara: Belated thanks for the MT network usage info :)
08:45 tenplus1     o/ hi all
08:50 lisac        Hey tenplus1
08:51 tenplus1     hi lisac, sorry was fixing stairsplus stairs for bakedclay (again)
08:51 * tenplus1   dislikes stairsplus
08:54 lisac        stairsplus is nice.
08:54 tenplus1     *shudder*
08:54 lisac        better then manually writing all those shapes.
08:54 tenplus1     true
08:55 tenplus1     if only minetest worked in basic shapes initially which you could apply a texture to instead of having to register 40 different stairs per block
08:55 lisac        hmm
08:55 lisac        that'll be pretty easy to do with new meta set nodedef.
08:56 lisac        just add a chisel tool
08:56 lisac        on rightclick it changes the model and collision box
08:56 tenplus1     sounds good :)
08:57 tenplus1     then stairs and all other shapes will be easy to use instead of pre-registering 100's of them in advance :D
08:58 lisac        though registering them like that only adds startup time and small memory usage.
08:58 lisac        doing this would probably be worse performance wise. :(
08:58 tenplus1     ya think ?
08:59 lisac        hmm yes, if I got it correctly.
08:59 lisac        you'd have to do calculations while the mod is running instead of just placing it like usual node.
08:59 tenplus1     hrmmmmm
09:00 tenplus1     considering how many checks it does placing a rotatable node already :)
09:03 lisac        probably just altering param2.
09:07 lisac        tenplus1, A player just reminded me I banned him at craigs.
09:07 tenplus1     lol, he wanting back in ?
09:08 lisac        he's not getting back in if the name he gave me was right. :D
09:08 tenplus1     what did they do /
09:08 lisac        [Sat 20 May 2017 01:58:03 PM BST]: "Double accounts, spamming", Source: lisacvuk
09:08 tenplus1     erk
09:08 lisac        he made new accounts to evade spam bans. :D
09:09 lisac        ran out of IPs in the end.
09:09 tenplus1     silly guy...  you running ip_per_names also ?
09:10 lisac        yes. :D  popularmoss, wreck, doop
09:10 lisac        his names.
09:10 tenplus1     lol, fake PopularMMOs tag...
09:12 lisac        anyways, his name is JulianYT on your server.
09:13 tenplus1     will keep an eye out,thanks for warning...
09:13 tenplus1     Shinji takes no prisoners, if he tries anything it's instant ban
09:15 lisac        :D
09:15 lisac        We need a way for server admins to exchange player info
09:15 tenplus1     he takes into account player actions on other servers
09:16 lisac        might make banning rule breakers a lot less painful
09:16 tenplus1     although we generally give 3 chances (nicks per ip)
09:17 lisac        maybe we should form a 'Coalition of Minetest server owners and admins'
09:17 lisac        :D
09:18 tenplus1     dont we already share user names and ip's to stop them on other servers ?
09:19 tenplus1     the worst one's at least ?
09:20 lisac        yes; but maybe have a database where we could search players?
09:20 lisac        with ban reasons?
09:20 tenplus1     good idea
09:21 lisac        also allow filtering by rules
09:21 lisac        and maybe tell people to use it for backchecking not just banning.
10:04 tenplus1     hi Megaf, hi CWz
10:22 shivajiva    Hi tenplus :)
10:22 tenplus1     hi shiva :)
10:22 shivajiva    Solfest is calling
10:23 tenplus1     Terns festival ?
10:23 shivajiva    something to do for the weekend lol
10:23 tenplus1     was at Edinburgh Fringe yesterday :P thai food, comedy show and spooky ghost tour bus... was fun
10:24 shivajiva    heh one of these days I'll give that a go
10:24 shivajiva    http://www.solfest.org.uk/
10:25 tenplus1     wow, a LOT of names on the lineup
10:25 shivajiva    hope the sun shines for it
10:27 Megaf        Hey
10:27 tenplus1     :P
10:27 Megaf        well, tried to test upgrading my server to latest git
10:27 Megaf        no chance at all that gonna work
10:28 Megaf        so many error
10:28 Megaf        errors*
10:28 tenplus1     not if players still using 0.4.16 or below
10:28 Megaf        Im testing in a local copy
10:29 tenplus1     what kinda errors you seeing /
10:34 lisac        hey MT got 1st place on OpenSource.com best games of 2015: https://opensource.com/life/15/12/top-5-open-gaming
10:35 tenplus1     nice one lisac
10:35 * lisac      is looking at news tab on google. :D
11:09 Megaf        uat?
11:09 Megaf        MT doesnt deserve that...
11:10 Megaf        well, looking at the list. meh...
11:10 Megaf        I'd put 0ad first
11:10 Megaf        actually, I'd put FlightGear first
11:15 tenplus1     hi raven
11:15 Raven262     Hi tenplus1
11:15 Raven262     Oo
11:15 Raven262     Almost
11:15 tenplus1     ehehe
11:15 tenplus1     hiding under Corvus:P
11:15 Raven262     Always
11:15 Raven262     Thats cause my PC username is Corvus and it switches to it when i lose connection
11:15 * tenplus1   is doing a tech tidy today... going through old stuff/cd/flash drived (even got some 512mb ones)
11:16 Raven262     :O
11:16 Raven262     Found anything interesting?
11:16 tenplus1     EmuGold (22 emulators with roms)  niiiiiice
11:18 Raven262     lol
11:22 tenplus1     ooh, found an old Nokia mobile phone (1st ever with colour screen)
11:23 lisac        tenplus1, we had one of those
11:23 Raven262     Now port DooM to it
11:23 lisac        IIRC
11:23 lisac        my dad got it for work
11:23 lisac        in 2001
11:23 lisac        my mom claimed it had the best camera.
11:23 tenplus1     eheheh
11:23 Raven262     But seriously http://imgur.com/gallery/YBHGh
11:26 tenplus1     I should really bin all of my old cd's with tv shows... back in the day I had a DVD player that could play .avi and would recode 24 hours of video to fit on it :D
11:34 tenplus1     hi fussel
11:35 CWz          soon doom will be ported to minetest
11:35 tenplus1     latest ?
11:35 CWz          and than it will be imported into your brain and can play while sleeping
11:36 CWz          i wonder can the human brain meet the specs to run it
11:36 tenplus1     hi thomas
11:36 ThomasMonroe hi ten
11:37 IhrFussel    Hello guys...can someone help me? I coded a temp ban mod that saves the timestamp of the expiring time and the amount of minutes to ban in a file...on prejoinplayer() I check the file and get the values: local ots = futuretimestamp; local banmins = 360; local sdiff = ots-os.time() local mdiff = math.floor(sdiff/60) local ml = banmins-mdiff ... but instead of saying "359 minutes left" it says "1 minute left" huh?
11:38 CWz          isn't there mod that already does that?
11:39 IhrFussel    It doesn't do what I want...I want the ban to extend + 3 hours each time the player misbehaves
11:40 IhrFussel    But that's not the problem... I don't get why it shows me 359 left when I try to connect after 1 minute
11:40 IhrFussel    I mean why it doesn't show me 359 minutes left*
11:42 IhrFussel    It does read the values correctly "2017-08-24 13:21:58: ACTION[Server]: Account "IhrFussel" tried to connect but is banned (2 / 360 minutes left)."
11:42 tenplus1     hi caleb
11:42 IhrFussel    Something with the math must be off
11:43 CalebDavis   hi ten
11:47 tenplus1     hi Jordach
11:48 IhrFussel    I found it...I don't need the banmins-mdiff part it's wrong, I just need mdiff it has the minutes left
11:48 tenplus1     o/ Fixer
11:49 Fixer        \o
11:50 IhrFussel    Wait...that means I don't need to store the amount of minutes to ban, the code can see the minutes just by comapring timestamps
12:40 tenplus1     wb lisac
12:40 tenplus1     finished tech tidy...  binned so many cd's... found licensed versions of OS/2 Warp, Win92 OSR2 and WinXP :P
12:43 lisac        thanks ten
12:43 lisac        lol
12:44 tenplus1     hi RobbieF
12:45 RobbieF      hi tenplus1!!
12:45 RobbieF      you good?
12:45 tenplus1     yeah, was at edinburgh festival yesterday evening :0
12:46 tenplus1     hows u
12:48 RobbieF      ooh neato
12:48 RobbieF      me's good
12:48 RobbieF      nothing exciting... just work
12:48 tenplus1     heh
12:48 RobbieF      about to build a killer gaming system
12:48 tenplus1     has to be done :P
12:49 RobbieF      chose the shopping list: https://cat5.tv/cpu2017 scroll down just below the videos
12:49 tenplus1     ooh, this for a certain person on channel ?
12:49 RobbieF      yes, Sasha is going to be doing the build and then giving it to her soon-to-be-husband as a wedding gift
12:50 RobbieF      but she will be building it (her first build) with my supervision/help.
12:50 tenplus1     ncie one :) hope it all goes well
12:50 Jordach      AYY
12:50 Jordach      new techmoan
12:50 Jordach      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9wT2Y4W-T0
12:50 tenplus1     hi Jordach
12:54 tenplus1     ooh walkman guide
12:59 RobbieF      thanks tenplus1
13:01 tenplus1     RobbieF: was doing a tech cleanout and binned 100+ cd's, found original copies of OS2 Warp, Win95 OSR2 and WinXP :P so funny
13:19 RobbieF      nice
13:19 RobbieF      hehe
13:19 RobbieF      OS2
13:19 RobbieF      LOL
13:19 RobbieF      classic
13:19 tenplus1     indeed :P
13:19 tenplus1     might even have a set of Dos 6.22 and Windows 3.11 floppies someplace
13:20 RobbieF      heh
13:20 RobbieF      wow
13:20 RobbieF      packrat much?
13:20 tenplus1     lol
13:20 RobbieF      sorry; wrong word.. I think the word is "horder"  :D
13:21 RobbieF      though I'd love a Dos 6.22 floppy to use as a coaster.
13:21 tenplus1     I use to have an old WAN fibre optic router at one point...  tossed it and then found it they cost over 1000 quid
13:47 Megaf        That's interesting, if you have DOSbox and WINE installed, when you open a wine console and try to start a DOS game on it, it will call and open DOSbox and run the game in DOSbox
13:47 tenplus1     ooh nice
13:48 Megaf        and by the way, Irrlich supports DOS
13:48 Megaf        MT supports software rendering
13:48 Megaf        you get where I'm going?
13:48 Megaf        :P
13:49 Megaf        we could port MT for DOS
13:49 tenplus1     mt dos ?
13:49 Megaf        I think we could technically make a bootable diskette that runs MT from it
13:50 tenplus1     hi Grandolf
13:50 tenplus1     Megaf: would be interesting to see if it was possible, although where would the cachebe stored ?
13:50 Grandolf     hi 10+1
13:50 tenplus1     o/
13:51 Grandolf     \0
13:51 Megaf        That's a good question
13:51 Megaf        well, nowhere
13:51 Megaf        client would ask for stuff all the time
13:52 Megaf        put what i can in run and use internet
14:44 tenplus1     hi unk
14:44 nerzhul      :o http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=purism-phone-5&num=1
14:45 unk          hi tenplus1
14:52 tenplus1     hi thomas
14:54 ThomasMonroe hi ten
14:58 cx384        hi
14:59 tenplus1     hi cx384 o/
15:03 nerzhul      tenplus1, can you remember me what is your mob mod ?
15:03 nerzhul      please*
15:03 tenplus1     github.com/tenplus1/mobs_redo
15:05 tenplus1     forum link is included there too :D
15:05 Megaf        my /whois http://paste.debian.net/plain/982865
15:05 Megaf        aka channels Im at
15:05 Megaf        tenplus1, make your mob mod not depend on fire nor tnt then I might use it
15:06 benrob0329   Megaf: that's...that's a lot of channels
15:06 benrob0329   How exactly do you keep track of them all?
15:07 tenplus1     Megaf: the mobs:explode function uses tnt's boom function to work, which in turn uses fire
15:07 tenplus1     you can easily disable TNT to stop players using it, but mobs api will only use the function itself which checks for protected areas
15:07 nerzhul      tenplus1, it's just an API now, there is no more mobs inside it?
15:08 Megaf        benrob0329, when the channel is orange, I might click on it
15:08 benrob0329   github.com/tenplus1/mobs_animal
15:08 tenplus1     the api has mobs:explode function incase a modder wants to use it
15:08 benrob0329   Or _monter , or _npc
15:08 tenplus1     hi ben
15:09 benrob0329   Ho ten
15:11 tenplus1     the only way for me to remove tnt/fire is to duplicate all of there code within mobs api, and that isnt gonna happen
15:11 cx384        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1319 This is deprecated (because of meta) right? Dose anyone know the current syntax?
15:11 benrob0329   If there was a way to disable fire in TNT that might help
15:16 tenplus1     tnt needs fire to work properly...
15:17 tenplus1     the question is... is there any particular reason you dont have fire and tnt mods running ? even in disabled state ?
15:18 rdococ       damn I feel lonely
15:18 tenplus1     hi RobbieF
15:18 tenplus1     hi rdococ
15:18 tenplus1     lol
15:18 rdococ       isn't there a way to disable fire spreading?
15:18 tenplus1     yes,   enable_fire = false
15:19 Grandolf     ^
15:19 tenplus1     same with tnt:    enable_tnr = false
15:19 tenplus1     same with tnt:    enable_tnt = false
15:19 tenplus1     that way no fire spreading and no tnt for players... but... the nodes and functions are still available for mobs that use them
15:19 tenplus1     that was the whole point in adding settings
15:22 tenplus1     for servers to feel safe but still have basic functionality
15:27 rdococ       IhrFussel:
15:29 Megaf        Hi
15:35 cx384        Nobody can answer my question? for example to_string() from a key gives me: "default:key 1 0 \"\\u0001description\\u0002Key to singleplayer's Wooden Locked Chest\\u0003secret\\u000248967c7a105a4ae6\\u0003\""
15:36 sfan5        what is your question
15:36 tenplus1     ????
15:36 tenplus1     hi sfan5
15:36 nerzhul      sfan5, it's a unicode question
15:36 cx384        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1319 This is deprecated (because of meta) right? Dose anyone know the current syntax?
15:36 sfan5        why is that deprecated?
15:37 sfan5        you can even see the count and wear in your string
15:37 cx384        meta is missing
15:38 cx384        in the documentation
15:38 tenplus1     {name="default:dirt", count=5, wear=0, metadata=""}
15:38 tenplus1     line:1333
15:38 rdococ       isn't node meta a table?
15:38 rdococ       wait, that's item meta
15:38 cx384        rdococ sometimes
15:39 tenplus1     node meta is saved in map, item meta is saved in inventory
15:39 sfan5        cx384: indeed it is, likely an oversight
15:40 cx384        hm ok
15:43 * rdococ     is lonely
15:43 tenplus1     k, I just checked latest dependencies for Mobs Redo API... fire isn't on the list and tnt is optional... it WILl run without either
15:48 rdococ       HuGgIeS
15:48 tenplus1     lol
15:54 RobbieF      tenplus1 you have greeted me yet again. Good day :)
15:54 tenplus1     heh
15:55 tenplus1     am checking out "Great Giana Sisters" SE edition
15:55 RobbieF      rdococ you can't be lonely - you're among 51 of your friends!  :p
16:02 Grandolf     rdococ is unique in his needs... he needs huggies
16:02 * Grandolf   debates on how to use huggies dipers here
16:02 Grandolf     :P
16:02 tenplus1     https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/610fxGOkPWL._SX355_.jpg
16:05 IhrFussel    rdococ, I think I found the issue...the modder for some reason set the default def.strength value to 0.9 and then set the armor level as "oldvalue*def.strength" ... so if I change that to 1.1 for example it should work correctly
16:07 rdococ       ah
16:08 rdococ       IhrFussel: But wouldn't the "bonus for having all of the same armor" cause problems too?
16:08 IhrFussel    Which means ALL armor becomes actually LESS strong after enchanting
16:08 rdococ       From what I can tell, it creates new armor items...
16:09 tenplus1     which is why armor needs to use item metadata instead of set values on definition
16:09 rdococ       I don't think armor is in vanilla minetest_game, so that shouldn't be too difficult.
16:09 IhrFussel    rdococ, enchanting is still better than set bonus I'm pretty sure
16:09 nore         in case anyone is interested... https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=18349 :)
16:09 tenplus1     hi nore
16:09 rdococ       Even if it was, it'd be easy - the only problem would be if it was in the core.
16:09 nore         hi all btw :)
16:11 rdococ       ooh, cs translations
16:12 tenplus1     currently each armor piece has it's stats defined inside a craftitems groups, but if we used specific craftitem metadata then the armor api could read those instead and will allow us to update/enchant separate pieces with better speed.gravity.jump.etc values
16:13 tenplus1     hi sniper
16:14 rdococ       I had the idea of a washing machine. It would be powered by water - and maybe some chemical - and it would repair stuff.
16:14 tenplus1     anvils and tool ore's are better suited
16:15 rdococ       eh, true
16:15 tenplus1     e.g.  repair steel sword levels using stel ingots
16:15 rdococ       I don't get why we don't have to melt the ingots first. How does one shape two bars of solid, hard steel into a sword? :P
16:15 tenplus1     magic :P
16:16 tenplus1     although that's a good idea for a mod, a casting bench to craft tools with
16:16 rdococ       Yeah, but compatibility would be difficult as heck.
16:16 rdococ       It might be better as a realistic subgame.
16:16 tenplus1     you would need to remove all "repair" recipe's and tool crafts in the game ieself
16:17 rdococ       I mean, at the very least require fuel to craft the tools :P
16:18 tenplus1     minetest.chear_craft(recipe) is available to remove recipe's
16:18 tenplus1     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/281e9f39fdffd106e79122ae23e2b5443a5daea3
16:20 rdococ       You cooooould use a for loop to find every item that looks like a tool, and replace its crafting recipe with an identical one for the casting.
16:21 tenplus1     or melt ingots inside a furnace and craft using so many :)
16:22 Calinou      hi
16:22 Raven262     hi Calinou
16:22 tenplus1     hi Cal
16:35 lisac        rubenwardy, any GoT leaks so far?
16:35 lisac        I haven't found any :(
16:35 lisac        some guy annonaunced new episode in 8 hours.
16:39 tenplus1     o/ paramat
16:40 lisac        hey paramat
17:02 lisac        Calinou, wanna play TF2?
17:04 Calinou      lisac: sure
17:04 Calinou      is Raven262 around too? :p
17:04 Raven262     Yep
17:04 Calinou      :D
17:05 lisac        yes. :D
17:05 lisac        we're waiting for you, Calinou.
17:05 Calinou      I GOT A PARTY HAT
17:05 Calinou      :D
17:06 Calinou      I checked yesterday and didn't have one
17:06 Raven262     Me too, and noise maker :D
17:06 Calinou      I still have my gibus, though
17:06 Calinou      gibus = noob
17:06 Calinou      party hat = pro :D
17:06 Raven262     Noise maker spam incoming
17:06 Raven262     xD
17:07 Calinou      alright, I started the game, you can invite me
17:10 tenplus1     bbl
17:17 garywhite    So now MT will have translations
17:17 garywhite    ?
17:21 nerzhul      who is "	Survival X" server owner ?
17:21 nerzhul      mod can adds translations
17:21 nore         hmmm we should start to translate mtg btw :)
17:23 Grandolf     might be possible to use a link to google translate... merely speculation tho
17:23 Grandolf     like put google translat into MT
17:23 garywhite    nore: What was the website that housed all the translations? Cause that's the easiest way to add them for me
17:23 nore         garywhite: hmmm, weblate I think, but translations are not yet there
17:24 nore         we need changes to the code before that
17:29 Calinou      lisac, Raven262: didn't see you guys left :P
17:30 Raven262     Calinou, Sorry we had some real life job to do, we can play again if you wish.
17:30 Calinou      ok
17:31 Calinou      when?
17:31 Raven262     Whenever you like, I think were done with that thing, just gonna wait a bit for lisac to return
17:31 Grandolf     what TF2 (team fortress 2?) server r u playing?
17:32 Raven262     Were in matchmaking
17:32 Grandolf     k
17:33 Calinou      yeagh
17:33 Calinou      yeah*
17:33 Grandolf     if u play openspades let me know, im an awesome sniper there ;)
17:39 Shara        Hello all
17:56 Raven262     Hi Shara
18:29 Krock        o/
19:02 garywhite    hi Megaf
19:03 Megaf        Hey gary
19:25 Megaf        I got quite emotional here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaU7YcrKAU&t=672s
19:27 Megaf        During the whole song
19:28 Megaf        (That's a video of Pink Floyd reunited after 25 years, performing for Live8 2005 in London)
20:14 Jordach      Megaf, tfw I own a DD9 and techmoan suggests the WM-EX6XX
20:15 Megaf        he could be mistaken
20:15 Megaf        but I didnt watch the video yet
20:16 Jordach      Megaf, DD9s go for £550+
20:16 Jordach      (mine was mint at £550 with the leather carrying case)
20:17 Jordach      the only DD9 on the bay is a boxed one at £1200
20:17 Jordach      tl;dr not worth it
20:18 Jordach      i love the sounds it makes
20:18 Jordach      it's a shame they're so damn expensive
20:19 KaadmY       Guest27485: can't use Google translate, it has to work offline
21:12 Megaf        EX-672
21:12 Megaf        wow
21:13 Megaf        for the price I quite like it
21:13 Megaf        D6C is the best quality I think
21:13 Megaf        Jordach, ^
21:13 Megaf        but they all sound great
21:14 Megaf        for me D6c was clearly the best one
21:14 Megaf        I said that before I heard he saying that
21:16 Jordach      Megaf, my DD9 and Dottor Walkman wants a wor
21:16 Jordach      d
21:17 Megaf        heh
23:10 rdococ       kill me
23:14 sofar        asking people to be accesory to murder isn't appropriate irc channel talk
23:14 sofar        try `fuck me` instead
23:15 sofar        also inappropriate but probably legal
23:15 rdococ       yeah but it isn't lethal
23:16 sofar        and likely much more enjoyable to both parties
23:16 rdococ       heh, true
23:17 Jordach      wat
23:18 rdococ       hi Jordach
23:18 sofar        Watt
23:19 rdococ       sofar: but the two could be combined in an extreme form of S&M
23:19 rdococ       wattt
23:19 sofar        that would likely limit the amount of viable and willing partners
23:23 * rdococ     time travels
23:23 sofar        everybody time travels
23:23 sofar        (at the same speed, forward only)
23:25 rdococ       that's a bit boring
23:25 rdococ       we should mix it up a bit
23:25 rdococ       imagine time travel in minetest
23:25 rdococ       idk how that would work :P
23:30 Jordach      sofar, http://i.imgur.com/jHiQDWc.jpg
23:30 Jordach      i has kittehs
23:35 Grandolf     rdococ i have imagined time travel in MT
23:36 Grandolf     how it works:
23:36 Grandolf     medeival world at normal level, advanced world at 20000
23:36 Grandolf     or
23:36 Grandolf     enderchests that work for multiple servers 0_0
23:37 Grandolf     as a server-server transfer
23:37 rdococ       that could work, but what about incompatible mods
23:37 rdococ       one server might have xxx, the other might not
23:37 Grandolf     if you can share enderchest, that means player files r shared
23:38 Grandolf     how much harderm could it b to share mods, but not the mapgen?
23:38 Grandolf     um
23:38 * Grandolf   sees skyscrapers in a village... nvm this aint gunna work
23:38 Grandolf     hm
23:39 rdococ       player files are per server
23:39 Grandolf     make chests a HUGE pain to make (server-server ones)
23:39 Grandolf     ik
23:39 rdococ       I had the idea of an internal combustion engine
23:39 Grandolf     but it isnt possible to use the same player files between worlds?
23:39 Grandolf     would b cool
23:39 rdococ       that might be possible
23:39 Grandolf     or to change servers with the press of a button
23:40 rdococ       don't think it's possible to do that tho
23:40 Grandolf     or both
23:40 Grandolf     yea
23:40 Grandolf     not with current MT engin
23:40 Grandolf     but playerfiles might b possible
23:40 Grandolf     oh
23:40 rdococ       a server could send different data to different clients to function as multiple worlds, I guess
23:40 Grandolf     their inventorys would be kept
23:41 Grandolf     so only a spacific file with documents containing server-server stuff
23:41 Grandolf     (from in the chests)
23:41 Grandolf     would prob cause crazy lag tho
23:41 Grandolf     if it were live
23:41 Grandolf     particularly if it got big
23:42 Grandolf     imagin 20+files lice updateing 0_0
23:42 Grandolf     *live
23:42 Grandolf     theory:possible
23:42 Grandolf     reality:time sink