Time Nick Message 09:34 shivajiva hi Zeno :) 09:34 Zeno` howdy 09:34 Zeno` how's things? 09:42 nerzhul hi Zeno` 09:43 Zeno` howdy nerzhul :D 10:02 Shara Morning all 10:27 Krock hi Zeno` 10:27 Krock and morning Shara 10:41 shivajiva Morning folks 11:01 IhrFussel What's the conf setting to enable mod profiling again? 11:01 Krock profiling.enable or something like that 11:01 Krock profiler.load = true 11:02 IhrFussel I have the feeling on_joinplayer() lags my whole server for 2-3 secs even though I don't do anything intensive..I simply check a file's content, do some simple math on that value and write a new value back to a file 11:03 IhrFussel Okay thanks and the profiler file can then be found where again? 11:06 Krock in your world 11:06 Krock perhaps there's a directory in between the worlds' directory and the profile-????.??? file 11:09 IhrFussel Krock, and I should only run the server with profiler for 5-10 minutes right? 11:10 IhrFussel Someone told me if it runs for too long the results could be misleading 11:11 Krock huh? results are misleading when it runs too short 11:13 IhrFussel OK then...would an hour be enough? 11:48 IhrFussel Wow my server needs 3-4 secs to generate new map parts which increases the max_lag value a lot 11:49 Krock ah hour is defeinitely enough 11:52 IhrFussel I only use 4 mods with minetest.register_on_generated() callbacks...I didn't think those would increase the generating time THAT much 11:59 * lisac is now playing Bleak (Blackwater Park) by Opeth [1:41/9:16] [Playing] 12:01 IhrFussel Krock, I added profiler.load = true in the conf but I cannot find the file 12:02 Shara Fussel: Do you still have that issue where some doors don't respect protection? 12:07 IhrFussel Shara, Yes... OMG I forgot that I have to use commands to actually SAVE the profile 12:07 Shara Fussel: I'm working on fixing it for RC right now, so could probably help you with that if you want 12:16 Calinou hi! 12:16 Shara Hi Calinou 12:19 Shara Yay... now I think every single item on RC respects protection correctly. 12:20 Shara Should have done that forever ago. 12:27 IhrFussel So if generating map takes a few secs but the mod profiler only shows very small values in "on_generated" does that mean the generation problem is coreside? 12:27 * lisac is now playing Welcome to Dying (Live) by Blind Guardian [5:18/5:28] [Playing] 12:28 * lisac is now playing One Thought (Character) by Dark Tranquility [0:01/4:07] [Playing] 12:29 Fixer IhrFussel: you need to do /profile save 12:29 Fixer or like that 12:31 IhrFussel Fixer, I know I'm doing /profiler dump every few minutes right now 12:32 IhrFussel But generating map takes up to 3 secs even though the profiler only shows very small values for "on_generated" 12:36 * lisac is now playing Winter Madness (Wintersun) by Wintersun [0:04/5:08] [Playing] 12:49 Wayward_One hi all :) 12:49 Raven262 Hi Wayward_One 12:51 Raven262 This channel: 50% - Not Minetest 25% - "Hi" 12% - "Lisac is now playing" 12% - Minetest 1% - Someone has joined/left 12:52 * lisac is now playing Windowpane (Damnation) by Opeth [0:02/7:45] [Playing] 12:52 lisac :O 12:52 lisac well I gotta show off my new script 13:01 Krock ho Wayward_One, Raven262 13:02 Raven262 Hi Krock 13:02 Wayward_One hello Krock 13:03 * lisac is now playing Harlequin Forest (Ghost Reveries) by Opeth [3:14/11:39] [Playing] [played 3 times] 13:03 Raven262 ^ 13:03 lisac Hi Wayward_One, Krock 13:03 Raven262 make that 15% 13:14 Raven262 Add telescope for zoom, add map item for minimap. Well, I wanna see how this will end up. 13:14 Raven262 Guess next one is Add wings for flying and add boots for running (MTG) 13:15 Krock and sword for suicide. you know the feature behinf 13:15 Krock *behind 13:15 Krock no. not /respawn. it's noclip. 13:15 rdococ Does a Luacontroller's mem table support unbounded (but not infinite, of course) table nesting? 13:16 rdococ I've heard it only supports two levels - which is kinda bad. 13:16 Raven262 +1 To sword for suicide 13:18 Calinou there should be a sword like TF2's Boston Basher in Minetest 13:19 Calinou "Hit: bleed for 5 seconds" 13:19 Calinou "Miss: Hit yourself. Idiot." 13:19 Shara I made a cursed sword that causes damage to the player a while back. 13:20 Shara Haven't finished the mod yet though, because textures = guh. 13:20 lisac Calinou, Raven262 and me always pick scouts with bashers on hightower 13:20 lisac and Bonk 13:20 lisac + FaN 13:20 Raven262 Calinou, I wanted to make that! 13:20 lisac just run around, if you are close to killing yourself, take bonk 13:21 Raven262 Btw, boston basher is for f2p's get three rune blade xD 13:22 rdococ I tested, and it DOES support more than 2 levels 13:24 Fixer Calinou: useless, MTG does not render tools/weapons in hands in XXI century 13:26 jas_ if furnaces can use animated textures, why not wielditems? 13:27 Calinou lisac, Raven262: I play TF2 too :D 13:27 Raven262 You do, Calinou? 13:27 Calinou not as much as before, but I still do occasionally 13:27 Calinou yeah 13:27 Raven262 Wow 13:27 Calinou you can add me on Steam if you want 13:27 Raven262 Lisac, we found a new teammate 13:27 Calinou (it's YouriLigotme) 13:27 Raven262 :D 13:27 Raven262 You have full account? 13:27 Calinou no, only F2P, but I can buy a cheap thing to get a full one 13:28 Raven262 I don't have a full one either 13:28 lisac I do 13:28 Calinou I bought games on Steam so I can add people, though 13:28 lisac :P 13:28 Raven262 I got tf2 full account from a friend so i'm partially unlocked 13:28 lisac adding you, comrade 13:28 Raven262 Oh, nice 13:28 Raven262 wait, add me :D 13:28 Calinou what's your Steam ID? 13:28 nerzhul this code modernization is crazy, hopefully i'm helped with a good tool which doesn't the major part for me :D 13:28 Raven262 moment though, gonna link you the profile 13:29 lisac lisacvuk 13:29 lisac oh, his. 13:29 lisac right 13:29 Calinou who sent me the invite? :P 13:30 Raven262 http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198295594147/ <-- My profile 13:30 jas_ oh that reminds me to update 13:30 Raven262 Don't pay too much attention to nod stuff everywhere 13:31 lisac Calinou, I did 13:31 Calinou hmm, I thought you could enter an ID in the "add friend" dialog, apparently you can't 13:31 Calinou (the number, that is) 13:32 Calinou thankfully, searching your nickname gives you as the first result 13:32 Calinou but that's not the case of everyone :P 13:32 Raven262 :D 13:32 Raven262 It was Corvus last time, and people had trouble finding me 13:32 Pingus I also sent friend request to Elon Musk 13:32 Pingus accidentally found his profile 13:33 Pingus He still hasn't accepted :( 14:07 IhrFussel Can a core dev tell me how much fast get_atrribute() is compared to io.open()? 14:07 IhrFussel faster* 14:19 Krock depends how efficient io.open / io.read is used 14:19 Krock and whether you use LuaJIT or not 14:20 Krock but nobody knows. test it. 14:33 IhrFussel Krock, the mod profiler says register_on_protection_violation() in a mod takes 700,000(!!) on AVERAGE to complete even though all I do is checking if player has interact and if yes I read an attribute, multiply that attr and set it 14:34 IhrFussel Oh and I take interact too but that doesn't seem heavy to me 14:59 IhrFussel Do entities trigger register_on_protection_violation() ? 15:01 Pingus IhrFussel, I'm not sure. You should probably have a check inside just in case player is il 15:01 Pingus *nil 15:04 IhrFussel I'm asking cause I don't see how this can take 500,000+ µs on AVERAGE https://pastebin.com/nEpnPzMG 15:04 Krock oh my gosh! these poor tabulators. What have you done? 15:04 Krock they're all gone. 15:05 Krock also, "set_player_privs" could be the cause for this, as it triggers an instant auth.txt save 15:08 IhrFussel Krock, which means the engine re-writes the auth.txt whenever privs are set? 15:11 IhrFussel Well my auth.txt has ~ 75,000 lines so that could indeed take quite a few ms to write... 15:26 Fixer iirc, auth.txt will be in database soon, ask nerzhul 15:26 Fixer i wonder if it offers better results 15:33 benrob0329 Hello 15:38 Krock hi benrob0329 15:38 benrob0329 Whts up? 15:38 benrob0329 *what 15:39 Krock oh.. nothing special 15:59 Calinou my RAM is ready: https://lut.im/2gIiQl7ulV/qYhmMKV8PVnW3WrF.png 16:00 Calinou (many VMs, Xonotic with uncompressed textures running in the background, and WebStorm running) 16:01 rubenwardy > 32GB 16:01 rubenwardy wow 16:01 IhrFussel Does minetest.get_player_privs() read from memory or file? 16:01 rubenwardy also, as a student you can get Intellij Ultimate which is > WebStorm 16:01 rubenwardy well, at least Utimate > PHPStorm 16:01 rubenwardy I've never used websotrm 16:02 rubenwardy CLion > Ultimate however :( 16:06 rubenwardy Raven262, http://steamcommunity.com/groups/minetestc55 16:29 Fixer not bad 17:04 Calinou rubenwardy: I have all the JetBrains IDEs installed :P 17:04 Calinou I just use the one most suited to the task 17:04 Calinou PhpStorm can match WebStorm functionality by installing some add-ons, I know 17:04 Calinou but since I'm not doing anything PHP-related right now… 17:04 rubenwardy heh 17:04 lisac Calinou, up for some TF2? 17:08 rubenwardy Calinou, I use ultimate for PHP and front end when doing symfony. I don't really see the point of installing a whole IDE to do something you can already do no better 17:09 Calinou rubenwardy: you can mostly match PhpStorm functionality with IntelliJ Ultimate, yeah 17:09 Calinou but PhpStorm is already set up, out of the box :) 17:09 Calinou (and I don't do Java, anyway) 17:09 rubenwardy I've never used IJU for Java 17:09 rubenwardy you know it's all the same IDE +/- plugins? 17:09 Calinou I have Android Studio installed as well, but only to manage the SDK 17:09 Calinou (and AVDs) 17:09 rubenwardy IJU just allows you to modify the plugins the most 17:10 Calinou because the CLI (the only interface available without Android Studio now, since they removed the old GUI) sucks 17:10 Calinou I tried it, and gave up 17:10 rubenwardy Android Studio is pretty good though 17:13 Calinou I never used the actual IDE :P 17:14 Calinou just like Visual Studio; I install it mostly for the C++ tools 17:14 Calinou (I know you can download just the C++ tools now, yeah) 17:14 rubenwardy heh 17:14 rubenwardy that's sounds painful 17:14 rubenwardy not using AS 17:14 rubenwardy AS has tools like the vector icon importer, and the layout creator 17:16 Calinou I'm not interested in native mobile app development anyway 17:16 Calinou I keep eyeing things like http://ionicframework.com/ and it's shaping to be quite good 17:16 Calinou (performance-wise, it is correct on high-end devices, from my tests) 17:17 Calinou (startup time is 2-2.5 seconds on my S7 edge, for the demo app) 17:17 rubenwardy Ew :P 17:17 Calinou (long, but acceptable) 17:17 Calinou there's also https://www.nativescript.org/ (no WebViews used, but still uses JavaScript) 17:17 Calinou it's a poor man's React Native, apparently :P 17:19 Calinou lisac: I'm a bit tired but I'll join anyway, I guess 17:19 lisac :) thanks 18:27 rubenwardy Just bought a VPN: https://i.rubenwardy.com/cjvA3DbkNS.png 18:27 rubenwardy well, a months' access 18:27 Calinou nice 18:27 Calinou I still have ADSL here, so I never go above 12 Mb/s download :P 18:28 rubenwardy I get 200Mbps usually 18:28 rubenwardy I'm surprised I'd get that much on a VPN 18:30 Krock I get 8Mbps usually 18:31 Calinou lisac, Raven262: I like how we were the top 3 of the team, too :D 18:31 Calinou in the TF2 game 18:31 lisac :D 18:35 Fixer Calinou: adsl, 0,2 Mb/s 18:35 Fixer ._. 18:37 Fixer Calinou: mbit or mbyte? 18:37 Fixer 12 Mb/sec seems like too good for adsl 18:40 Calinou 12 Mb/s down, 1 Mb/s up 18:40 Calinou the maximum you can get with ADSL2+ is ~20 Mb/s down, 2 Mb/s up 18:40 Calinou but you need to be very close to the "central" 18:41 Calinou with VDSL2 (you need to be less than 1 km away from the central), you can get 50 Mb/s down, 5 Mb/s up or so 18:41 Calinou my brother has VDSL2 18:42 lisac Calinou, me and Raven are always 1st and second in a team 18:42 lisac unless there is a real good player there too 18:43 Calinou I'm sometimes 1st 18:43 Calinou playing medic or something helps 18:43 Calinou since you get lots of assists :P 18:43 lisac I once played a competitive game 18:44 lisac before there was competitive matchmaking 18:44 lisac on TF2center 18:45 Fixer Calinou: not bad 18:45 lisac Calinou, http://imgur.com/cbQvh2E 18:45 Fixer i have top dl speeds like 20 mbit at most 18:45 lisac what do you think? 18:45 lisac about my new character levels mod ui 18:48 Calinou hmm 18:49 Calinou try using images to make progress bars or something? 18:49 Calinou perhaps use colored text in some places (when it makes sense) 18:52 lisac I probably will 18:52 lisac it's just a placeholder 19:06 IhrFussel Is setting default_privs = LIST in minetest.conf any different from set_player_privs on_joinplayer()? 19:07 Krock yes. 19:07 Krock default_privs is only for new players, while on_joinplayer.. is self-explanatory 19:07 lisac default_privs are being taken here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/c91a8c7061c83a33cca929859ea811afb985ac0a/builtin/game/auth.lua#L103 19:07 lisac basically set for every player that joined after the change 19:07 lisac so if a player joins before a priv is added to default privs, he doesn't get the priv. 19:08 Krock this déjà vu moment I've just got.. 19:19 tenplus1 hi folks 19:20 Krock hi tenplus1 19:20 tenplus1 o/ Krock :) hows u 19:20 lisac Hey tenplus1 19:20 Shara Hi tenplus1 19:20 tenplus1 hi Shara :P 19:20 * tenplus1 is ordering indian for noms, who wants :)) 19:21 Krock I'm fine, thanks :) 19:21 tenplus1 :P 19:22 Shara Me please :P 19:23 tenplus1 ehehe, am getting half n half ceylonese chicken korma with fried rice and chapati :PPPP mmm 19:25 lisac tenplus1, can we get a report on the current state of Xanadu? :) 19:25 tenplus1 xanadu is up and active, new router working a-ok 19:25 lisac :O 19:25 lisac Raven262! 19:27 lisac tenplus1, I've got an idea for an improvement to mobs_redo 19:27 lisac right now I can only see their HP while they are taking damage 19:27 lisac why not make it as long as they are inside a radius of the player? 19:28 IhrFussel lisac, Krock yes but I was interested in performance differences 19:28 IhrFussel Is default_privs faster / needs less calls? 19:28 tenplus1 hi fussel... 19:29 IhrFussel Hello there tenplus1 =) 19:29 lisac IhrFussel, I guess on_join_player will be called on every join 19:29 lisac while the default_privs thingy will be called only for new players 19:29 lisac so yes, default_privs might lag less 19:29 lisac Slightly less 19:30 IhrFussel That wouldn't be the problem cause I also only call set_player_privs when the player appears to be new...but I heard EACH set_player_privs() REWRITES the entire auth.txt 19:30 lisac wow really? 19:30 IhrFussel So I wonder if I save a set_player_privs when I do it via conf 19:30 lisac that seems awfully inefficient 19:31 Krock IhrFussel, no. the same privilege question. Perhaps a year ago or something 19:31 Krock *shrug* 19:33 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/game/auth.lua#L120 19:33 Krock can confirm that it saves for each set_player_privs 19:33 Krock see save_auth_file() call 19:34 lisac Hey any idea how to change a label on the formspec? 19:34 lisac without redisplaying the whole formspec? 19:34 lisac or to quote my fav alien people, 'Is that even possible?' 19:35 Krock redisplay it 19:35 lisac y that seems to stop working after a few quick presses 19:36 Krock because you've got a bug there 19:36 Krock or a packet was lost 19:36 tenplus1 Krock: when rebasing a pull do I just remove the lines that I DONT want /# 19:36 IhrFussel Krock, so default_privs is faster than set_player_privs() on_joinplayer() cause it only needs to save the auth once there 19:37 tenplus1 hi CWz 19:37 lisac aah I need to ordinary button not exit one 19:37 Krock tenplus1, are you talking about solving conflicts? 19:38 lisac *the 19:38 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1844/conflicts 19:38 CWz Something started bugging while i was walking the dog. i'd lie to suggest that for 0.5 and beyond we replace the term mods with addons 19:38 Krock yes, remove the weird looking part and add the code you want there 19:39 tenplus1 do I also remove the linex with <<<<< patch and >>>>>> master ? 19:39 Krock i.e. also remove <<<< >>>> and ====, which mark the confict position 19:39 tenplus1 heh, thx :DD 19:40 CWz hmm, my suggestion is so lame it was like i become a ghost 19:41 CWz Great time for some pranks 19:41 Krock np. It would be way more comfortable to edit this locally in your favourite editor but should also work as expected in the online editor 19:41 Krock IhrFussel, yes but keep in mind that once you change the default_privs, all old players won't be updated 19:42 Krock so, only set the auth when it's really neccessary 19:43 tenplus1 k, changes added to git 19:43 IhrFussel Krock, that is no issue cause I simply want them to have interact,shout and home...nothing I'd want to revoke later again 19:44 Krock IhrFussel, until you set up a jail mod which temporary removes the interact priv 19:46 IhrFussel That won't happen^^ And even if I need it there is always Bash 19:47 * tenplus1 adds a 'miss can I go to the toilet' priv :P 19:48 Fixer give me 1 dirt block please 19:48 Krock give me -1 cobble please 19:48 tenplus1 hi fixer 19:48 Fixer ohi 19:49 Fixer mom 19:49 Krock dad 19:49 * tenplus1 revokes Fixer's wifi privs 19:49 Fixer can you be my sister? 19:50 Shara /revoke Fixer shout??? 19:50 * CWz places whoopy baloons on the seats 19:51 tenplus1 ehehe... Xanadu is up and active with latest updates to mobs, farming, abriglass and more 19:52 Shara You my torch mod, or you wanted glass as well now? :P 19:52 Shara You mean my* 19:53 tenplus1 I added lucky blocks to abriglass :D 19:53 tenplus1 abritorches even 19:53 tenplus1 oops 19:54 Shara hehehe 19:54 Shara Feel free to make a PR if you want something added to the mod itself 19:56 Shara Seems someone is making russian versions of my mods... 19:56 tenplus1 w00t... am getting language updates as well (rus, ita, pr) 19:57 Shara problem is they are just doing them in forks rather than making a PR to add them properly 19:57 Shara Or they did send one PR< but that would have replaced the english version outright... 19:57 tenplus1 ooh, who's doing yours ? am getting pulls ? 19:57 Shara inpos... no idea who he is 19:58 Shara Doesn't seem interested in working on something I can integrate directly with the mods though 19:58 tenplus1 to be fair I add pulls manually so I know exactly what's changed 19:59 Shara He's done it with a couple of yours too 19:59 * tenplus1 likes getting pulls with new stuff :D 19:59 bigfoot547 Hey all 20:00 tenplus1 hibigfoot 20:00 Shara Hi bigfoot547 20:00 bigfoot547 Hey Shara and tenplus1 :) 20:01 tenplus1 http://staginglol.gemnnwclth7mfvu.maxcdn-edge.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/6ee9795b1b5e16a86ab25685158baa1a.jpg 20:12 Fixer i see a surge of nicknames like BlahBlahYT... 20:14 Krock brb reserving KrockYT 20:18 tenplus1 hi paramat, hi nrz 20:20 * tenplus1 has to go lay down after that meal... ehehe... 20:20 tenplus1 nite all 20:22 Fixer lol 20:23 Fixer that lay down after meal vive 20:23 Fixer vibe* 20:25 Fixer nrz is on fire 20:26 rdococ ... 20:28 bigfoot547 Fixer: ??? 20:28 bigfoot547 Oh 20:28 bigfoot547 All the commits lol 20:28 bigfoot547 yeah 20:31 Fixer MT needs this badly: https://i.imgur.com/ybSmjQs.png 20:31 Fixer text on signs 20:34 rdococ there are MT mods which already have that 20:35 Fixer yes 20:35 lisac Fixer, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13762 20:36 lisac Also, what do you think about my mod so far? https://youtu.be/g3S6Fvv7dsg 20:36 Fixer lisac: mtg needs simpler version of it 20:36 lisac the impact per point will be smaller in release, ofc 20:36 lisac Ic, Fixer. 20:36 lisac How does it work? Entities? 20:37 Fixer lisac: will be handy for some RPG subgames or smth 20:37 lisac yeah, same as my toolranks mod :P 20:38 lisac gotta make a complete subgame with RPG elements like this 20:38 lisac sorry for potato video quality, too 20:38 lisac I hate uploading huge videos 20:45 lisac hey how do I change player max hp? 20:50 Krock you don't/can't (yet) 20:51 lisac :O 20:52 lisac http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ 20:52 bigfoot547 :O 20:52 bigfoot547 Nooooooooo 20:57 nerzhul Krock, i think it's a PR for you ? :p 21:01 Krock nerzhul, because it'll be trivial? xD 21:02 Krock however, noted. 21:02 Shara I was actually starting to look at changing max hp just a couple of days back 21:02 Shara Because I really, really want it fo rth emod I'm working on 21:02 Shara for the* 21:02 lisac Shara, It's one of those features you'd expect should already be there 21:03 lisac along with disabled backface culling for coulds 21:03 lisac *clouds 21:03 nerzhul breath and hp are defines now 21:03 Shara yea, I found the code 21:03 nerzhul the first step can be to change that to use a setting instead and send the setting to client 21:03 Hijiri "text"ures shouldn't require hacking about with entities 21:03 Shara There were even comments about them needing to change or something 21:03 Shara Don't have it in front of me right now 21:03 Krock use a setting? sorry? that belongs into the player object 21:03 nerzhul setting for the max 21:03 Krock modders will prefer to make it per-player 21:04 nerzhul oh 21:04 Shara I want it so I can have equipable items that adjust it 21:04 nerzhul Krock, it's more difficult then 21:04 nerzhul the max sync is important 21:04 Krock not too much. just a player data more to save in the database 21:04 nerzhul yes ofc 21:04 nerzhul add a column with it 21:05 nerzhul and a PlayerSAO attribute 21:05 Krock and Lua table boundaries 21:05 nerzhul the problem is the genericCAO 21:05 nerzhul player:set_max_hp(aà 21:05 nerzhul a) 21:05 Krock àhà 21:06 * Shara quietly crosses that off the list of things to work on 21:07 bigfoot547 àààchoooooo! 21:07 * Krock :take("beds:bed 1") Krock:sleep() 21:08 Shara Just don't want to spend time working on a PR if someone else is going to do it now. 21:09 Shara And now I have no idea if someone is or not 21:09 nerzhul just define who work on it and coordinate efforts 21:09 nerzhul it's not so simple there is a network sync to client to do 21:09 nerzhul + player database support 21:10 Shara nerzhul: it'll be much quicker if a dev takes it :) 21:18 paramat (devs hide) 21:21 Shara Hi paramat :P 21:24 paramat hehe 21:26 nerzhul paramat, i like the unnamed, but i would prefer if it's shown in the textbox instead of being setted with empty formspec field, do you think you can fix that ? 21:26 Shara Maybe I'll look at the hp thing more anyway. 21:32 paramat nerz for empty world name? i'm not good with formspec so maybe best someone else does it 22:06 lisac nerzhul, I was told to make the textbox empty 22:06 lisac it was like that before. 22:07 nerzhul it's not very natural to send a form and then, a world name appears :p 22:08 lisac https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6257#issuecomment-322998634 22:08 paramat it's fine, seed acts like that too 22:08 lisac I don't know... it is mostly a dev-only feature 22:09 lisac not to be used by players 22:09 paramat players use the empty seed feature a lot i suspect 22:10 paramat if a field is going to be left empty on world creation, best it is actually empty instead of pre-filled with some generated seed or world name 22:10 nerzhul paramat, oh we can set the seed field empty ? i didn't know that 22:10 nerzhul each time i enter a new seed because i see previous seed 22:10 nerzhul (yes it's not natural :p) 22:11 nerzhul i should go, see you 22:11 paramat nerz yeah 23:19 Fixer amibian 23:19 Fixer lol