Time  Nick       Message
01:33 rdococ     does mt use lua 5.2?
01:33 rdococ     if not, it should :P
01:33 rdococ     although it might break mesecons (specifically the luacontroller).
01:33 rdococ     (though that's an easy fix).
01:35 bigfoot547 It might :P
01:38 kaeza      rdococ, 5.2 is the black sheep of the family IIRC
01:38 kaeza      :P
01:38 kaeza      most people use 5.1, or jumped directly to 5.3
01:39 kaeza      also, greetings
01:42 rdococ     or 5.3 :P
01:43 rdococ     I just like the new goto feature they added.
01:43 kaeza      :I
01:43 rdococ     ikr, I'm weird :P
01:43 kaeza      they still don't have `continue`, though
01:43 kaeza      just don't tell #lua
01:44 rdococ     heh
01:44 rdococ     continue is easy, though. it's a simple goto just before the "end".
01:44 rdococ     okay, well, as long as no local variables get defined between then
03:23 rdococ     what is 4!
03:23 rdococ     aw, made it obvious :P
08:47 rdococ     Does anyone want to see my bot?
08:49 jas_       is it a minetest bot?  just curious.  do you have a video?
08:49 rdococ     no, an IRC bot :P
08:49 rdococ     who needs MT bots when you have MT mods? :P
08:49 jas_       my current location: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Fu4LpMv5w
08:49 rdococ     meh, I don't really like youtube
08:50 jas_       my current selection: https://soundcloud.com/charts/new?genre=drumbass&country=all-countries
08:50 rdococ     used to, but it's just... boring. also, it's google, and anything google is automatically evil.
08:50 jas_       my videos are a little dull
08:50 jas_       i admit
08:50 rdococ     (which might sound insane to an ordinary person, but it's actually true :P)
08:55 rdococ     jas_: I used a lua hashing library to implement my own authentication system for the IRC bot.
08:55 jas_       oh nice work.  are you talking about for the mt mod 'irc' ?
08:55 rdococ     no, just a regular IRC bot...
08:55 jas_       oh ok.  i was working on an mt bot
08:56 rdococ     ah.
08:56 jas_       good company
08:56 rdococ     an MT bot that connected to IRC, I assume :P
08:56 jas_       followed me around, even
08:56 rdococ     oh, nvm then
08:56 jas_       you know i WISH mt->irc or any outside socket were easier for me
08:56 jas_       like, i'm not gonna fuss with stuff
08:56 jas_       and i tried the irc mod but i'm all set with the extra setup and ... lag?
08:56 rdococ     to be fair, my IRC bot is actually a heavily modified version of an existing one I found on the internet
08:56 rdococ     (on GitHub, in fact)
08:57 rdococ     it seemed to be a very insecure one, though. allowed anyone to execute un-sandboxed lua.
08:58 jas_       it would be nice to have more remote functionality from minetestserver
08:59 jas_       this would be different story then
08:59 jas_       maybe i'm just doing it wrong ;)
09:01 rdococ     I might set up my bot on this network, too.
09:40 Calinou    morning! I got back from driving theory exam
09:46 rdococ     Hi!
09:46 Dumbeldor  Hi
09:47 Fuchs      Calinou: hi! Passed?
09:49 Calinou    Fuchs: I don't have the results yet
09:49 Calinou    not sure, I did my best…
09:51 Fuchs      Calinou: oh, okay, here you get results immediately
09:51 Fuchs      I shall keep paws crossed :)
09:52 rdococ     Oh, I was planning on creating a brainfuck interpreter as a Minetest mod.
09:54 rdococ     Anyone interested?
09:55 rdococ     eh...I take that as a no then
10:14 lisac      Hey Calinou
10:14 lisac      Calinou, everyone else: http://gamebanana.com/tuts/12455
10:15 lisac      I noticed a lot of 'modders' write their own data storage systems instead of using the new attributes
10:15 lisac      and I need the bonus points on gamebanana.
10:15 lisac      :P
10:24 Calinou    >2017 >gamebanana
11:55 IhrFussel  lisac, extended attributes were added in 0.4.16 AFAIK not 0.4.14
11:55 nerzhul    exact
11:55 nerzhul    (it was my pr it's why i confirm that :p)
11:56 IhrFussel  So it kinda makes sense why many mods refuse to switch: They want to support older versions
11:57 nerzhul    it's lgtm to think that, but it's a game, it's better to encourage end users to update
11:57 nerzhul    performance and features between 0.4.14 & 0.4.16 are very high :)
12:00 IhrFussel  nerzhul, that's true but If I create an app for phones for example I usually try to reach as many customers as possible...I cannot expect from them to have the newest phones on the market
12:00 nerzhul    wrong
12:01 IhrFussel  So a modder is happier when more people use the mod
12:01 nerzhul    phone means support various OS versions, not various app version, you have a store to ensure users have the latest version every time
12:01 IhrFussel  Usually that is how logic goes
12:01 nerzhul    more users = more OS versions to support, not software versions
12:01 nerzhul    and not hardware versions
12:02 nerzhul    upgrade means add some platforms hardware, not remove them, except after a EOL
12:02 IhrFussel  It was an example ... if I work hard on a certain MT mod and make it only available to the newest client/server versions, the success of my mod will be limited
12:02 RobbieF    Good morning.
12:03 IhrFussel  You guys always say "keep backwards compatibility wherever it's possible"
12:04 nerzhul    yes it's important :)
12:05 nerzhul    i hope modders keep 2 years compat as a maximum as it's the core contract with end users
12:06 IhrFussel  nerzhul, well so you agree that mods shouldn't use extended atrributes yet or add a fallback for 0.4.14/0.4.15
12:07 IhrFussel  Not sure how to check if extended attributes are supported in a mod
12:07 IhrFussel  attributes*
12:08 nerzhul    yes a fallback is good
12:08 nerzhul    check is setter/getter is defined else use raw library
12:08 nerzhul    same for mod storage, try to get mod storage, else use raw library
12:08 nerzhul    it's anoying for a moment but should be used
12:08 nerzhul    also modders should migrate data
12:08 nerzhul    if raw library data found, migrate it to new storage
12:09 nerzhul    it's not simple for everybody but should be implemented
12:09 nerzhul    maybe a compat mod should be developped to help modders to do that
12:09 nerzhul    and in 2 years, remove compat
12:10 IhrFussel  Will set_attribute("x:y","z") return something if successful or failed?
12:11 nerzhul    if function is not defind you will have a lua error to handle
12:11 IhrFussel  So will this work? local set = player:set_attribute("x:y","z") if set == nil then --fallback end ?
12:13 nerzhul    i don't really know i'm not lua expert, but if i remember in lua you can verify is a function is defined
12:19 IhrFussel  nerzhul, is "player" a userdata?
12:20 nerzhul    yes
12:20 nerzhul    it's a PlayerRef
12:23 IhrFussel  Is there a way to get a table with all API functions?
12:24 IhrFussel  I'm guessing that only works for minetest.x functions
12:35 IhrFussel  nerzhul, if type(player.set_attribute) == "function" then --feature supported end
12:36 nerzhul    if it works go, and player:set_attribute
12:37 IhrFussel  My test code was "if type(player.set_attribute) ~= "function" then minetest.log("error","ERROR") end ... it only triggered when I removed the "t" from set
12:39 IhrFussel  You can't use : inside the type check it has to be .
12:41 nerzhul    oh yes
12:41 nerzhul    exact, it's a dict
12:58 IhrFussel  !tell nerzhul My server is set to 0.4 secs per step...how big will be the performance impact if I reduce it?
12:58 ShadowBot  IhrFussel: O.K.
13:05 Fixer      lol
13:05 Fixer      thats slow as hell imo
13:05 Fixer      i mean server response is slow
13:05 Fixer      not sure about perf impact
13:07 Calinou    0.4 step rate is huge
13:07 Calinou    0.1 is pretty large already, and unfortunately it's the default
13:07 Calinou    things feel more responsive with 0.05 already (that's what Minecraft uses)
13:08 Calinou    moderen games would use something like 0.025 or maybe 0.033333
13:10 Fixer      0.4 sec step should be very noticable
13:26 lisac      0.4.16?
13:26 lisac      nice, I'll edit it lol
13:26 lisac      thanks
13:26 lisac      sorry for late response
13:27 lisac      was sleeping
13:36 lisac      Okay, I edited the guide
13:39 lisac      hey, anyone here watches Game of Thrones?
13:39 rubenwardy Yes
13:39 lisac      New episode is out early
13:39 rubenwardy I heard
13:39 lisac      I'm downloading it right now
13:40 lisac      before I find any spoilers
13:40 rubenwardy The problem with watching it early is that there's more time to wait until the finale
13:40 rubenwardy And the problem with leaving it is the spoilers
13:40 rubenwardy So, lose lose
13:40 lisac      :(
13:41 rubenwardy #firstworldproblems
13:41 lisac      it at exactly 03:00 here
13:41 lisac      and that's monday
13:41 Calinou    AT THE END, CELERON55 DIES
13:41 Calinou    #spoiler
13:41 rubenwardy Nooooooo
13:41 lisac      oh
13:41 lisac      that would be sad
13:41 Calinou    hi :P
13:41 lisac      he still hasn't moved my post
13:41 lisac      :P
13:41 Calinou    and no, I don't watch Game of Thrones, but I never tried
13:43 lisac      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NZDwZbyDus
13:43 rubenwardy !title
13:43 ShadowBot  rubenwardy: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB.
13:44 rubenwardy ShadowBot amazing as ever
13:44 lisac      :P
13:45 lisac      https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade
13:45 lisac      !title
13:45 ShadowBot  Dwarf Fortress starting during apt-get upgrade - Ask Ubuntu
13:45 lisac      :P
13:45 rubenwardy Can't click that YouTube link atm
13:46 lisac      doesn't matter. It's meet the sniper by valve
13:46 lisac      "I'm not a crazed gunman, dad, I'm an assassin!"
13:46 lisac      "The difference is, one is a job, the other is mental illness"
13:50 rubenwardy I'm trying to decide on a scripting language for my game
13:51 rubenwardy I'd like a language with type safety and compile time type checking
13:51 rubenwardy Preferably with optionals
13:52 rubenwardy However, the only one I know of is kotlin, and including the whole JVM is probably a bad idea :(
13:52 rubenwardy There's Typed Lua, but I get the impression it's not very tried and tested
13:53 rubenwardy Any suggestions?
13:55 CWz        question do new bones instantly become old bones in protected areas not beloing to dead
13:58 rubenwardy No
13:58 rubenwardy Bones won't be created in protected areas
13:58 rubenwardy Instead the items are just dropped
13:58 rubenwardy However, protecting the area after a death doesn't unlock the bones
13:58 jas_       my precious items!
13:59 rubenwardy Wait
13:59 jas_       waiting
14:00 rubenwardy Ah, yes bones are unlocked
14:00 rubenwardy They're only dropped if the node you die at has something there is can't replace, and there's no unprotected nodes near by
14:01 rubenwardy Dropping in the middle of a protected area will unlock them immediately
14:01 jas_       neat
16:21 Krock      \o
16:22 Calinou    hi
16:22 Calinou    I passed my driving theory exam, with 37/40 :)
16:22 Calinou    (the minimum score is 35/40)
16:27 lisac      rubenwardy, new episode is awesome. You should watch it. I won't spoil :)
16:27 Krock      congrats Calinou
16:30 lisac      y congrats Calinou
16:31 lisac      my grandpa is trying to persuade Raven to do his driving exam a year early
16:31 lisac      he believes he won't be around to see him finish it if he waits too long
16:31 Calinou    I could have done it last year, but I probably wasn't ready back then
17:36 CWz        can someone tell rnd that basic mechines has an item duplication bug
17:37 RobbieF    uh oh
17:38 CWz        i just tried it on my server
17:39 CWz        RobbieF, do you need me to show it off?
17:39 RobbieF    are you able to open an issue on github?
17:40 CWz        Better be someone with better language skills than me
17:42 Shara      Hello all
17:43 Shara      If you have a dupe bug, maybe better to avoid putting exact explanations in public.
17:44 CWz        that's why i want to show it to someone that can be trusted
17:45 Shara      I don't know how to contact the mod owner, so I'm probably not the best for it.
17:45 Shara      Do you know if it would be an easy one to fix?
17:45 CWz        No idea
17:50 Shara      I'm always kind of cautious about trying to do anything with machine type mods.
17:50 Shara      I don't use them enough or like them enough to figure out what they really do :P
17:52 CWz        RobbieF, do you have basic_mechine on your server?
17:57 RobbieF    Yeah it's on TPS-Domes
17:59 RobbieF    It may be best to speak with NathanS21 or TenPlus1 or someone else who can fork it and fix it
17:59 RobbieF    we'd certainly want to fix it if it allows duplication
18:07 CWz        TPS-Domes?
18:15 CWz        i will record the bug soon
18:26 RobbieF    thanks CWz
18:26 RobbieF    if you can email me a video of the bug?
18:27 CWz        would msg also work
18:27 RobbieF    on here?
18:27 RobbieF    yes if I happen to be here
18:27 RobbieF    during the day tomorrow
18:27 RobbieF    tonight is bad though - show night
18:30 RobbieF    CWz please be careful not to show players how to do it.
18:30 CWz        Alright.
18:30 RobbieF    thanks!
18:41 CWz        I can email it when at somepoint
18:48 RobbieF    sure thanks!
18:48 RobbieF    either me - contact@category5.tv or feel free to pass it on to Shara and she'll discuss it with me.
19:07 RobbieF    night all
19:14 tenplus1   hi folks
19:14 Raven262   Hi tenplus1
19:14 Raven262   How do i register an air like node?
19:15 tenplus1   hi raven :P
19:17 tenplus1   raven: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/tnt/init.lua#L402
19:17 tenplus1   check that for airlike
19:17 Raven262   Ahh
19:17 Raven262   So i do need to add walkable and pointable flags?
19:18 tenplus1   to make them false, yes
19:18 tenplus1   I think they default to true
19:19 Raven262   I did it, thanks
19:19 Raven262   It works
19:19 tenplus1   :P
19:19 tenplus1   hi Megaf
19:20 Raven262   One more question, how do i disable these default game ores from generating inside my air blobs?
19:20 tenplus1   default ores only generate inside default:stone... your air blobs shouldnt be affected
19:20 Raven262   Well, my air blobs also generate inside that stone
19:21 Raven262   and default ores are flying all over the place
19:21 tenplus1   hrm... they'd affect one another but I dunno... would have to test
19:24 tenplus1   hi calcul0n
19:24 calcul0n   hi
19:25 Shara      Hi tenplus1
19:25 tenplus1   hi Shara :) whass new ?
19:25 Shara      Nothing much.
19:26 Shara      How you doing?
19:26 tenplus1   commiserating Shinji...  his area was hit by a huge electrical storm... his 75" tv is toast as is the router for the server
19:26 tenplus1   but server is fine
19:26 Shara      Ouchy
19:26 Shara      Hi lisac
19:27 tenplus1   indeed... hi lisac
19:27 lisac      hey tenplus1, Shara
19:27 tenplus1   o/
19:27 Megaf      hey tenplus1
19:28 * Shara    pokes the tiger
19:29 tenplus1   o.O
19:29 Shara      :D
19:35 lisac      tenplus1, Xanadu is still down?
19:35 tenplus1   yeah, huge electrical storm blew up Shinhi's 75" tv and router
19:35 tenplus1   the rest was UPS protected
19:37 Megaf      Shara, careful
19:37 Megaf      I may bite
19:37 Megaf      The side of your neck
19:38 Megaf      And you ear
19:38 Shara      Oh oh
19:38 Megaf      And if you keep poking, I will bite your nose
19:38 Shara      Not the nose!
19:39 tenplus1   *nom*
19:39 Megaf      I like biting noses
19:41 Shara      Wouldn't you prefer... you know, doughnuts?
19:44 Megaf      Depends on the situation
19:44 Megaf      I might take cookies
19:45 Megaf      and a cake
19:45 Megaf      cakes are good
19:45 Megaf      hm, cakes with cookies
19:45 Megaf      and oreo
19:45 Megaf      and vanilla icecream!
19:48 Shara      That sounds greedy.
20:16 tenplus1   hi fussel
20:18 IhrFussel  I don't quite understand the dtime var in globalstep() ... if I do "local timer = 0 minetest.register_globalstep(function(dtime) timer = timer + dtime if timer >= 2 then --do stuff timer = 0 end end)" will it 100% only run every 2 secs? And can I apply that code to as many mods as I want? different mod dtimes have no conflicts with each other?
20:19 tenplus1   you can register as many globalsteps as you need, or timer carivables using the same dtime...
20:19 tenplus1   dtime is just ticks per second
20:19 IhrFussel  Ohh so it's just the amount of time a server_step takes configured in minetest.conf
20:20 tenplus1   yeh
20:20 tenplus1   since it can be changed to anything functions use dtime so you can count using proper seconds for routines
20:21 IhrFussel  Until now I just used "timer = timer + 1"
20:21 tenplus1   now ya know :))
20:22 IhrFussel  But of course that means it will run every ~ 10 times per sec with default settings...and if the server step is set to 0.2 it will be only 5 times per second
20:22 IhrFussel  -every*
20:23 tenplus1   makes for creative programming :D
20:23 IhrFussel  tenplus1, do you think reducing server step will increase server load greatly? Or just slightly?
20:24 IhrFussel  Mine is set to 0.4 secs currently which is pretty laggy...but I'm not sure how well it will run with 0.2 secs steps
20:24 tenplus1   all depends on the functions in question... e.g.  my playerplus mod gets 3x nodes every second... but if you had to get those every 1.4 second instead you'd feel lag
20:25 tenplus1   some things are light on server, some are heavy
20:28 IhrFussel  I will have to change all bad methods to dtime methods and then just give it a test run I guess
20:28 IhrFussel  And hello back by the way xP
20:28 tenplus1   best way to do it :)
20:29 tenplus1   you can also time functions and print overall needed
20:32 tenplus1   nite folks
21:37 IhrFussel  Am I right thinking that when you edit minetest.conf during runtime it will only apply those changed values if you start the engine as server? If you edit in singleplayer the values get overwritten when cloding the game again
21:38 IhrFussel  closing*
21:39 rubenwardy minetest.conf is read on start up, and then never again
21:39 rubenwardy it is then written when the process closes
21:39 rubenwardy clients and servers don't differ in this
21:41 sofar      afaict minetest.conf is written over if you modify it while minetest is running
21:41 sofar      so you should never edit it when minetest is running
21:53 IhrFussel  That's not what I'm experiencing: When I edit my server conf during runtime it doesn't change back to the old state after restart
21:55 IhrFussel  Maybe it's cause I use minetestserver instead of minetest --server
21:58 rubenwardy there's like zero difference
23:20 IhrFussel  IMO it's expected behavior to have runtime changes applied to the global settings...who shuts their server down before editing minetest.conf?
23:31 IhrFussel  rubenwardy, confirmed: If the --server option is used the conf will APPLY all changes you do during runtime
23:31 IhrFussel  And it should not be changed either