Time  Nick           Message
01:11 red-001        so I wasn't exactly active lately and it seems I missed something
01:12 red-001        did Zeno just quit?
01:13 Wayward_One    yep :(
01:14 red-001        so anyone care to give me a tl;dr?
01:14 red-001        don't feel like digging through chat logs and some mentally unstable guy's blog
01:19 VanessaE       red-001: he feels Minetest isn't really progressing forward at a pace that suits him, best I could tell.
01:19 VanessaE       but I imagine he's just taking a break
01:19 red-001        understandable
01:20 red-001        through that does tend to happen in open source in general
01:37 red-001        oh I see OC is still doing what he does best
01:37 red-001        thinking he has power to do anything
01:42 VanessaE       yep.
10:13 tenplus1       hi folks
10:16 tenplus1       Real Torch updated to 0.7 - can relight torches using flint & steel and gunpowder (be careful), also configurable times
10:16 shivajiva      Morning tenplus1 :)
10:17 tenplus1       hi Shiva o/
10:18 tenplus1       added some fun features to real torches :P
10:18 red-001        morning tenplus1
10:18 tenplus1       hi red :)
10:18 red-001        long time no see
10:18 tenplus1       was about to say the same... ehehe
10:18 tenplus1       how's tricks ?
10:20 CWz            ello tenplus1
10:20 tenplus1       hi cw
10:20 tenplus1       o/o/o/
10:22 tenplus1       shiva: when a torch burns out you can relight with the usual coal powder, flint & steel, but if you use gunpowder it causes a little explosion which still lights the torch :) but if you use the gunpowder on a LIT torch it hurts player
10:26 shivajiva      LOL that sounds fun
10:27 tenplus1       ehehe, hopefully gonna add it to Xanadu tonight
10:27 tenplus1       wonder how they will react to torches having a life before going out
10:27 shivajiva      does the FOSS nature of the Linux kernel make it a security risk?
10:27 tenplus1       I wouldn't think so
10:27 shivajiva      I'd imagine they will complain :)
10:28 tenplus1       will be adding Shara's abritorches as well which remain lit using caverealms crystals
10:28 shivajiva      so how does minetest being FOSS make it not worth securing?
10:29 tenplus1       how you mean ?
10:29 shivajiva      well sfan5 states because it's foss it cannot be reasonably secured
10:30 tenplus1       if it's (free and open source software) then it's open to cope, study, change
10:30 tenplus1       *copy
10:30 tenplus1       anyone can copy parts for use in another foss project, I think the only thing you can really secure is the name of the project
10:30 shivajiva      how they going to change server side? Client sure but not server
10:31 sfan5          shivajiva: that's not what i meant
10:31 tenplus1       ?
10:31 sfan5          client-side DRM is not reasonably possible with FOSS, server-side anticheat sure is
10:31 tenplus1       oh right
10:32 shivajiva      I think it's just an excuse for not implementing security from the ground up to state FOSS isn't worth securing
10:32 tenplus1       drm could easily be broken SINCE it's foss... so no point including it
10:32 sfan5          it's not just "not worth securing"
10:32 Krock          anything that happens client side only can not be secured in a FOSS project. Server side control is needed there
10:32 tenplus1       hi sfan5, Krock
10:32 Krock          hi tenplus1
10:32 sfan5          you can't secure FOSS a la "dirty client detection" without turning it proprietary
10:32 shivajiva      minetest is not worth securing?
10:33 tenplus1       the only think i would like to secure anything is a way for servers to disable csm mods
10:33 tenplus1       other than that, it's all good
10:33 tenplus1       hi fussel
10:33 Fixer          shivajiva: worth, via server-side
10:33 tenplus1       hi fixer
10:33 Fixer          hello
10:33 Krock          hi Fixer
10:34 shivajiva      ofc but sfan5 just stated it's not worth securing, I need to understand why
10:34 sfan5          i just stated why you can't secure MT client-side like stated in the GH issue
10:34 red-001        about that github issue
10:35 IhrFussel      Hello guys =) I want locked chests to be accessible by ANYONE within the protection: if minetest.is_protected(pos,clicker:get_player_name()) then minetest.chat_send_player(clicker:get_player_name(),"This chest is inside another return itemstack end << i put that inside def.on_rightclick = function(pos, node, clicker, itemstack, pointed_thing) but it doesn't seem to get called
10:35 tenplus1       brb, shopping trip a-hoy!
10:35 Krock          shivajiva, no matter how many security features you add to an open source client, they can be removed and players can cheat. Perhaps that's why it's "not worth"
10:36 Krock          notice that we only talk about the client here
10:36 shivajiva      thats a feeble excuse for leaving servers vulnerable to cheating imo, add the security to the server
10:37 Krock          IhrFussel, pastebin the code please (or github link)
10:38 sfan5          shivajiva: nobody is saying that minetest should not be secured against cheats
10:38 red-001        also what happened with the camera?
10:38 sfan5          i'm only saying that you can't do it client-side
10:38 red-001        it seems to be one node higher
10:38 shivajiva      excellent, when will it be added as a priority?
10:38 Krock          red-001, it's been like that for at least a week
10:39 Krock          but only when joining older servers (MTG versions)
10:39 sfan5          whenever a coredev has time to do this
10:39 shivajiva      in about a year then when c55 looks at it I guess
10:39 IhrFussel      Krock, https://pastebin.com/HA0fjtth
10:39 Krock          which reminds me to add a teleport command to my cheater client
10:40 sfan5          shivajiva: it depends on which kind of cheats you want to counteract
10:40 sfan5          some are easier to fix, some harder
10:40 shivajiva      flying/noclip would be good
10:41 Krock          IhrFussel, are you sure that the "formspec" meta field isn't set? (like it is in unlocked chests)
10:42 shivajiva      I feel like I have to say the same thing over and over before it sinks in and people stop assuming I want the impossible
10:42 IhrFussel      Krock, I thought returning on rightclick would prevent any further code from running...the showing formspec code is below the sound play code
10:43 Krock          you don't request impossible features. you request a huge amount of work and testing, as network lags and dropped packets won't make it easy for a 100% protection
10:43 shivajiva      I realise that Krock
10:44 Krock          IhrFussel, interesting. so you've set the "protected" field in the chest definition?
10:44 Fixer          anti -noclip and -fly
10:44 IhrFussel      Krock, I simply modified the builtin locked chest code, I didn't add a third chest type
10:55 Fixer          https://twitter.com/Ducks_Daily
10:56 red-001        huh
10:56 red-001        does the forum have an sort of spam filter system?
10:57 red-001        so if the post matches certain parameters it needs to be approved by a modderator to show up
10:59 Krock          IhrFussel, I'm also trying to figure out why it doesn't get called. weird
10:59 Krock          I seem to miss something obvious
11:00 Krock          IhrFussel, it's pipeworks
11:00 IhrFussel      Krock, I had to comment the "can_interact_with_node" out, now it *seems* to work...another player tried to open my locked chest inside my protection and it gave the chat message
11:01 Krock          pipeworks also overwrites this function, that's why your new code doesn't get executed
11:02 Fixer          IhrFussel: what protection you use?
11:03 Fixer          IhrFussel: use shared chests and do not overcomplicate the things
11:03 IhrFussel      I don't use pipeworks, areas is my protection mod
11:03 IhrFussel      Shared chests require keys which is a no-go
11:03 Krock          all protection mods nowadays overwrite/extend core.is_protected
11:04 IhrFussel      It already works...I added a player to my protection and he can open my locked chest now ... now I just need to modify the putting/moving/taking
11:04 Fixer          IhrFussel: no, i f you use protector redo, it has shared chests
11:05 Fixer          IhrFussel: there are other shared chests that support areas mod and other i believe
11:05 Fixer          IhrFussel: don't reinvant the wheel :D
11:05 IhrFussel      I don't want to add more mods just to have chests that work with all players inside a protection, locked chests are great for that
11:06 Krock          *reinvent
11:06 Krock          IhrFussel, you should move all this code to a separate mod, so you don't get rebase problems
11:07 Krock          minetest.override_item("default:chest_locked", { on_rightclick = function(...) ... end })
11:07 Krock          and depend on default
11:07 Krock          this kind of glue will make it easier than basically starting a MTG fork
11:32 red-001        hi ThomasMonroe
11:32 ThomasMonroe   hey red
11:35 paramat        shivajiva https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3822 is marked as high priority, and  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6219 is a possible basis for improving serverside anticheat
11:36 paramat        i would work on it myself if i had the ability with that area of code
11:36 tenplus1       hi folks
11:36 Raven262       Hi ten
11:36 Raven262       How
11:37 tenplus1       o/ raven... I has lunch!
11:37 Raven262       How do you greet so fast?
11:37 * Raven262     just woke up
11:37 tenplus1       I'm 1/2 binary
11:37 tenplus1       on my mothers side
11:37 Raven262       xD
11:38 ThomasMonroe   lol
11:38 tenplus1       ehehe hows you
11:38 tenplus1       hi thomas
11:38 ThomasMonroe   hi ten
11:39 tenplus1       ooh, I updated Real Torch to 0.7... has some nice new features to play with :PP
11:41 paramat        .. and what sfan5 and Krock wrote earlier is correct
11:42 tenplus1       o/ paramat
11:43 Fixer          o_o
11:43 tenplus1       about foss ???
11:43 paramat        tenplus1 you can enforce CSM restrictions now, but that involves using a recent MT dev version and disallowing old clients
11:44 tenplus1       good good, although I wont update to test until 0.4.17 is finally released on all formats
11:44 paramat        yes the discussion above with shiva jiva
11:44 CalebDavis     hi ten
11:44 tenplus1       hi caleb
11:44 CalebDavis     hi paramat
11:44 paramat        0.4.17?
11:44 tenplus1       the latest dev breaks player model on servers
11:45 tenplus1       so am using july 19th release where player model still works (+1.0 change still there) until final release then I'll switch and urge server players to do same
11:45 paramat        0.5.0 is next, although there is some talk of releasing a 0.4.17 branch but that might not happen
11:46 tenplus1       ah ok, will wait for 0.5.0 release :0
11:47 paramat        we really should have properly bumped protocol when CSM flavours were added, instead of just adding it to version 35 ..
11:47 tenplus1       :P
11:48 paramat        maybe we need to bump to 36 now ..
11:48 tenplus1       I cant run 2 different versions easily on one system to test stable and dev... unless minetest-next will be a thing
11:49 paramat        because we didn't bump protocol properly anyone who wants to enforce CSM restrictions has to also adapt to player offset breakages
11:50 tenplus1       which is why I'm waiting for final release of 0.5.0 before I update my client, server, urge players to update and update mods to use all new 0.5.0 functions
11:50 paramat        but nerzhul insisted we didn't need to bump protocol, i should not have listened :]
11:51 paramat        yeah
11:51 tenplus1       and hopefully Google Play, f-droid, linux repos will have the update as well
12:05 tenplus1       hi Megaf
12:09 ThomasMonroe   hi Megaf
12:10 Megaf          hi tenplus1
12:10 Megaf          hi ThomasMonroe
12:12 tenplus1       hi DI3HARD139
12:12 DI3HARD139     Hello tenplus1
12:12 tenplus1       :P
12:12 Megaf          compiling the latest stable kernel here, the 4.12.5
12:12 Megaf          let's see if I will feel any performance difference
12:12 tenplus1       ooh nice... am using 4.11 on lubuntu 17.10 beta 2 atm
12:13 Megaf          perhaps GPU wise there will be some gain
12:13 tenplus1       hi Jordach
12:13 shivajiva      thanks for the info paramat, both look interesting :)
12:13 tenplus1       am sure there will be for ati/intel...  I got an FPS boots on 4.11
12:13 Megaf          Currently using 4.9.0-3-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 (2017-06-26)
12:14 Megaf          the one Im compiling will not be RT,. but the clock timer of it will be as fast as it can be
12:14 Megaf          and preempt too
12:14 tenplus1       good luck :) hope it turns out good
12:15 IhrFussel      Krock, can I apply the ... as function parameters?
12:16 Krock          IhrFussel, supposed to be replaced with the right params and contents, yes.
12:24 tenplus1       hi RobbieF
12:29 IhrFussel      Krock, nothing happens when I right click it now https://pastebin.com/MEPM5hJb
12:29 Krock          IhrFussel, add "default" to the dependencies
12:30 Krock          no
12:30 IhrFussel      I did
12:32 Krock          IhrFussel, you forgot to put the other code from the chest registration around
12:33 Krock          aagh. it gets painful
12:33 tenplus1       lol
12:34 IhrFussel      You mean I have to put the ENTIRE register function in there?
12:39 tenplus1       wb
12:40 Krock          thx. I've seen myself timing out o.o
12:40 Krock          * Krock has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
12:41 Krock          I see the link wasn't sent. IhrFussel: https://pastebin.com/xM2k77ke
12:41 Fixer          246 seconds is nothing
12:41 Fixer          i had huuuge timeouts on xmpp back in the day
12:41 Krock          I thought it was called "time" but I might be wrong
12:42 Krock          (instead of being "nothing")
12:45 Krock          ping IhrFussel
12:46 IhrFussel      Krock, but I still have to add the show_formspec and sound_play function in my override correct?
12:46 tenplus1       if you override a default function then you have to include everything inside it as well as your changes
12:47 Krock          IhrFussel, no. see my paste. it'll do that
12:56 IhrFussel      Just tested, a player NOT inside the protection can still open it
12:59 tenplus1       are you testing protection for the chest position, not player ?
13:00 IhrFussel      This is my mod code, I added a chest_shared in nodes.lua of default and want to override it now https://pastebin.com/XzBVXsYG
13:01 IhrFussel      I want to have the shared chest to have the exact same features as public ones except for denying access when a player not in the protection right clicks it
13:01 Krock          hmm.. that looks right
13:02 tenplus1       when testing, are you making sure that 'protection_bypass' privelage isnt in use ?
13:03 IhrFussel      I let another player test it...with and without "areas" priv ... the player doesn't have protection_bypass
13:03 tenplus1       ah okie
13:04 tenplus1       ooh, I seem to have fixed the memory leak issue in firefox by removing additional language support file
13:04 IhrFussel      I'm guessing it would be easier maybe to just add my own chest node with its own definmition (copied from default)
13:04 tenplus1       why not... I have a protected chest in protector redo
13:04 tenplus1       gives players new things to play with :P
13:15 CalebDavis     ten do you have a good name for a frozen planet
13:15 tenplus1       Hoth
13:16 tenplus1       :P
13:16 ThomasMonroe   probably should be longer than that
13:16 ThomasMonroe   :P
13:16 tenplus1       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoth
13:16 CalebDavis     its for my subgame you are trying to survive on a frozem planet
13:17 ThomasMonroe   hey ten, do you know of a reason why i am getting NodeResolver  errors if i remove flowers and create a new world?
13:17 tenplus1       Hoth is the most famous of frozen planets :P it was in star wars - empire strikes back...
13:17 CalebDavis     ohh XD
13:17 tenplus1       and it gives you the reason to add a ton of skins from star wars :DDDDD
13:17 ThomasMonroe   we havent seen Star Wars(dont panic)
13:18 tenplus1       nuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuUUUuUUuuuUuuu
13:18 tenplus1       the original three movies (without cg additions) are really good
13:19 ThomasMonroe   the three things that we wouldnt watch a movie for is, 1) content, 2) violence(excessive or gory) and 3) language
13:20 tenplus1       the original star wars wasnt that bad... good story, good characters, no swearing, and not gory at all
13:20 CalebDavis     and 4) no desire to watch it
13:20 Krock          CalebDavis, Alpha Centauri Prime
13:21 ThomasMonroe   sounds like a transformer
13:21 ThomasMonroe   XD
13:21 CalebDavis     XD
13:21 ThomasMonroe   does anyone know of a reason why i am getting NodeResolver  errors if i remove flowers and create a new world?
13:22 tenplus1       I had an Ice Planet Hoth world made with mods for blaster, skins etc and no water... you had to rely on shuttle drops to restock items and grow stuff... never finished it :D
13:22 tenplus1       am sure flowers is used in a few mods for items
13:22 tenplus1       dye ets
13:22 ThomasMonroe   ah thanks
13:22 ThomasMonroe   thats right
13:23 ThomasMonroe   wait nope dyes has no depends
13:23 ThomasMonroe   2017-08-09 08:04:10: ERROR[Main]: NodeResolver: failed to resolve node name 'flowers:mushroom_brown'.
13:24 ThomasMonroe   thats just one out of five errors
13:24 ThomasMonroe   all having to do witht he mushrooms
13:24 tenplus1       wait, are you running any other mods ?
13:24 ThomasMonroe   nope just minetest_game
13:24 ThomasMonroe   er a modified version
13:25 ThomasMonroe   i adjusted the mapgen
13:25 tenplus1       ohhhh, what's modified?
13:25 ThomasMonroe   wait let me check something
13:25 tenplus1       remember that flowers mod has it's own mapgen settings for flowers/mushrooms
13:25 CalebDavis     heh i got the perfect name Thermia
13:26 ThomasMonroe   niiice Caleb
13:26 ThomasMonroe   Thermioplia
13:26 ThomasMonroe   Thermoplia*
13:26 tenplus1       therm = heat
13:26 CalebDavis     with a main city of thermopolis
13:27 CalebDavis     ik thats what makes it funny
13:27 ThomasMonroe   Athermens
13:27 tenplus1       Poltar
13:27 ThomasMonroe   a = not
13:27 ThomasMonroe   not heat
13:27 ThomasMonroe   XD
13:27 tenplus1       lol
13:28 tenplus1       algid
13:28 ThomasMonroe   Athermensia
13:28 ThomasMonroe   you gotta make it sound real
13:29 CalebDavis     ok TXUA 134829
13:29 tenplus1       Planet Cauld
13:29 CalebDavis     XD
13:29 CalebDavis     cause it Cauld be warmer
13:30 tenplus1       ehehe
13:32 CalebDavis     i think Athermensia is the best name so far
13:34 IhrFussel      Lua gives me a very weird error: https://pastebin.com/HVmGXqv8 "init.lua:28: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 1) near 'can_dig'"
13:35 IhrFussel      There are more functions below can_dig that's why the error is weird
13:35 tenplus1       make line 21:     end,
13:36 IhrFussel      tenplus1, full code https://pastebin.com/3SQ57TYc
13:38 tenplus1       o.O
13:38 Fuchs          note to self: limit nickchanges more
13:38 ThomasMonroe   sorry i forgot it did it across the board
13:39 Fuchs          :p
13:39 ThomasMonroe   [08:35:23] * pipo thinks X-men reached the allowed max. number of name changes in one hour!
13:39 ThomasMonroe   he only did it lik 3 times, so i did it 6 XD
13:40 Fuchs          I don't know our limit by heart
13:40 IhrFussel      Can someone please tell me what the problem is? My server cannot get online cause of it right now
13:40 Fuchs          I just know we do have one
13:41 behalebabo     IhrFussel: you have no commas after each function end
13:44 IhrFussel      behalebabo, Thank you! But the function in the default mod also doesn't have these commas o.o
13:44 behalebabo     is it at the end of the table?
13:45 ThomasMonroe   hey behalebabo, do you know why i would be getting a NodeResolver issue if I remove flowers from MTG?
13:46 behalebabo     is this an existing map?
13:46 ThomasMonroe   no
13:46 behalebabo     then no idea
13:46 IhrFussel      Your solution works anyway, thanks...and no I don't think that other function is inside a table
13:47 paramat        your modifications to MTG are likely the issue
13:47 ThomasMonroe   hmm
13:48 ThomasMonroe   i havent done anything that relates to flowers though
13:48 RobbieF        Hi there tenplus1!
13:48 RobbieF        (and all)
13:48 tenplus1       o/
13:49 tenplus1       how's things robbie ?
13:49 ThomasMonroe   hi RobbieF
13:49 RobbieF        \o not bad. Just got back from the cottage
13:49 tenplus1       kewl, a wee time away
13:50 tenplus1       hi lisac
13:50 lisac          hey tenplus1
13:52 ThomasMonroe   paramat: yeah it looks that way, but what would of done that?
13:52 ThomasMonroe   all i did was change the mapgen in default
13:55 ThomasMonroe   paramat: i found the problem, minetest.clear_registered_decorations()
13:57 paramat        good
13:59 ThomasMonroe   hmm thats funny
13:59 ThomasMonroe   i commented it out, noerrors
13:59 ThomasMonroe   then i uncommented it and got no errors
14:00 ThomasMonroe   you know what, ik what the problem was, i restarted my client XD
14:00 benrob0329     Hello RobbieF, ThomasMonroe, tenplus1, paramat, and lisac
14:00 tenplus1       hi ben
14:00 lisac          Hi benrob0329, ThomasMonroe
14:00 lisac          Hi paramat
14:00 ThomasMonroe   hey benrob
14:01 benrob0329     How is everyone?
14:01 ThomasMonroe   doing great
14:05 Calinou        hi
14:06 ThomasMonroe   hey Calinou
14:07 tenplus1       hi Cal
14:10 tenplus1       hi behalebabo
14:10 behalebabo     hi
14:15 benrob0329     Hi Calinou, behalebabo
14:20 RobbieF        benrob0329 \o
14:21 IhrFussel      One of my players claims they cannot craft anymore meaning the craft output field is empty...it is not reproducable on another account, client cache got deleted, server has been restarted...but issue remains
14:24 benrob0329     Did they put the right type of something in and everything?
14:26 IhrFussel      Yes the player tried to craft diamond boots and put the diamonds correctly (2 on each side) ... they also say it happened suddenly...like they were able to craft something before and then suddenly not anymore
14:26 IhrFussel      I already looked at the player file, it seems ok
14:27 Fixer          IhrFussel: maybe big network lag
14:28 IhrFussel      Fixer, but why would it work on another account with the same client then??
14:28 Fixer          IhrFussel: no idea
14:29 Fixer          IhrFussel: what is client of that player? official? OS?
14:30 IhrFussel      The player just left, I'll send them an offline message
14:31 IhrFussel      But I'm pretty sure the client is official since they play on PC
14:32 Fixer          maybe a bug in armour mod or smth
14:32 IhrFussel      Fixer, nope the player cannot craft ANYTHING...the craft output field is empty no matter the recipe
15:22 tenplus1       hi twoelk
15:22 twoelk         o/
15:22 tenplus1       ::P
15:22 tenplus1       wb paramat
15:26 twoelk         after updating four customised portableapps bundles on our company intranet and my personall version, I finally updated my games sellection - and still wonder why there seems to be hardly any interest to make a minetest version for this
15:27 tenplus1       what platform ?
15:27 Krock          windows, with a chance of 80%
15:28 Krock          maybe 100%, if portableapps is limited to windows
15:28 twoelk         https://portableapps.com/apps windows ofcourse :-P
15:28 tenplus1       ohh... isnt Minetest run-in-place portable ?
15:28 tenplus1       all libs in one dir
15:28 Krock          yes
15:28 twoelk         sure it is but this needs a little more and offers an update system
15:29 tenplus1       isnt there a launchpad download available for run-in-place win.linux versions ?
15:29 twoelk         the biggest change for minetest would be to make some hardcoded paths configurable
15:29 Krock          many of them can already be set in the minetest.conf setting
15:31 twoelk         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7709 <- old request and workaround version
15:36 Fixer          twoelk: minetest is already portable, only difference it is availability in portableapps app catalog..
15:37 tenplus1       hi cx384
15:37 cx384          hi
15:41 tenplus1       like I mentioned earlier, it would be nice to have a .gz version of minetest-dev I could unpack to a single folder and simply run from that 1 place with it's own settings without using installed version folders
15:50 tenplus1       that way anyone could download for win/linux to test in place without affecting installed stable
15:51 benrob0329     tenplus1: would probably have to be statically linked
15:51 benrob0329     Otherwise different distros would have deps in deterrent places (potentially)
15:51 benrob0329     *different
15:54 tenplus1       for proper testing it would be required tho
15:57 twoelk         fixer: indeed the name portableapps is missleading, this platform offers quite a few things more than just some portable apps. the most interesting may be the updating system
15:59 twoelk         iirc the minetest paths for games, mods, worlds, cache and others are hardcoded in the win-run-in-place version of mt
16:02 twoelk         https://portableapps.com/development/portableapps.com_format <= the required file format and folder structure
16:23 twoelk         tenplus1: indeed it might be interesting to have the minetest program in one place but for example mods in some other place. Teachers working with pupil groups might find this interesting
16:23 tenplus1       true
16:27 benrob0329     (Offtopic) this looks interesting: https://www.bitchute.com/faq
16:46 tenplus1       Xanadu has been updated with AbriTorch and Real Torch mods active :))))
16:47 shivajiva      :P
16:48 tenplus1       some players complaining but they saw coloured torches and quickly forgot... ahahaha
16:48 shivajiva      ten did you read http://www.gabrielgambetta.com/client-server-game-architecture.html?
16:49 tenplus1       ooh interesting
16:50 shivajiva      if you back out to the homepage there is pathfinder A*
16:53 shivajiva      rubenwardy provided the link :)
16:53 tenplus1       nice
17:00 shivajiva      btw what's the burn time on a torch?
17:00 benrob0329     (Offtopic) https://lbry.io/faq/what-is-lbry looks even more interesting
17:10 IhrFussel      Making an own chest with own callbacks was WAY easier than trying to override the default chest functions ... never again
17:10 tenplus1       ehehehe
17:17 tenplus1       wb Jordach
17:26 tenplus1       wb caleb
17:28 CalebDavis     thx
17:36 benrob0329     tenplus1: come to find out, Vidme censors criticism
17:36 tenplus1       *sigh* vid.me does it as well huh... no fair
17:36 benrob0329     There are a few other projects though
17:36 benrob0329     Looking at things like LBRY
17:37 tenplus1       once they get it through there thick skulls that free speech is a good thing and no matter what the video says, ppl will watch it regardless with or without adverts
17:37 tenplus1       brb
17:38 benrob0329     I think the problem is that some things do need to be censored, like Porn and Killing, wierd cult practises that involve strange cutting and all that kind if strangeness
17:43 tenplus1       yeah, but simple speech (not hate speech) isnt that bad... expressing an opinion
17:43 benrob0329     Exactly
17:47 tenplus1       the powers that be are scared to hear the public...  hell, google fired one of it's software developers for having an opinion and because of that he landed a job elsewhere :P
17:48 benrob0329     Indeed, I think one of the decentralized solutions has the best chance
17:48 sofar          ... bittorrent ...
17:48 benrob0329     Unfortunately its hard to tell where you should put your money
17:48 benrob0329     sofar: bittorrent has issues
17:49 tenplus1       hi sofar
17:49 benrob0329     Big issues
17:49 tenplus1       what issues ben ?
17:49 sofar          isp blockage
17:49 benrob0329     Nothing on it can be,stopped
17:49 sofar          tracking
17:51 tenplus1       if we could get audio, video, news, webpages even on DHT networks and torrents then it cannot be stopped
17:52 benrob0329     tenplus1: https://www.bitchute.com/faq
17:52 benrob0329     Also https://lbry.io/
17:52 benrob0329     Both follow in the footsteps of Torrent, but improve upon it
17:53 tenplus1       sweet... if this gains popularity then anything on the web will be far spread from removing it
17:53 Calinou        one of the problems I have with BitTorrent are file changes/updates not being possible
17:53 Calinou        this isn't great for distributing things that change often (eg. software)
17:53 benrob0329     Calinou: that is something LBRY looks t change
17:54 Shara          Hello
17:54 tenplus1       unchanging torrents means you release packs... e.g..   news_9th_aug_2017.zip
17:54 tenplus1       release packs adn that way they all exist in some form or fashion and are archives
17:54 tenplus1       hi Shara
17:54 Shara          Hi Ten :P
17:54 benrob0329     But the same problem exists, infringement and Porn
17:54 tenplus1       AbriGlass and Real Torch (0.7 update) is live on Xanadu :
17:55 Calinou        >porn >problem
17:55 * Calinou      raises eyebrow
17:55 Calinou        not trying to start a debate here, but this is the Internet, you know
17:55 benrob0329     Calinou: if nothing else, children and teens don't need to see it
17:55 Calinou        that's true – a good filtering system is important to have
17:55 Calinou        but this is not really a problem in the protocol itself
17:55 benrob0329     And Child Porn is a huge problem
17:55 benrob0329     As is Extreme Violence and Gore
17:56 tenplus1       that would be a problem but anyone who owns that sort of porn will be prosecuted
17:56 benrob0329     tenplus1: but it needs to be able to be removed
17:56 tenplus1       as it stands nothing can truly be removed from the internet already
17:57 benrob0329     But from a platform, a website?
17:57 benrob0329     The search feed?
17:59 tenplus1       with that sort of things we kinda rely on the morals of the induvidual... if they are sick in the head and are actively looking for THAT kind of thing they'll find it wherever
17:59 tenplus1       but normal folk wont be searching or downloading that kind of stuff
18:00 benrob0329     Again though, its still therex and it could still show up
18:01 tenplus1       if posted and shared through torrent/DHT... but I have a feeling ppl who are into that kinda stuff share through other means
18:03 benrob0329     This is true, but again, I don't want to use a platform that isnt safe for children (everything I make is sfw, aside from a horror game I played)
18:03 benrob0329     And I don't mean swearing, that is fine imo
18:03 tenplus1       if torrents become the norm for most downloads, archiving, news etc there will be filters available for the sites tha tuse them so child locks for us to set
18:04 benrob0329     Also true
18:04 benrob0329     And I suppose that is the thing isnt it, the most we can do is create safe searches and tags on systems like this
18:06 tenplus1       most torrent search sites haev an adult section for out of the norm things so if you search for say "Mulan" you'll get the cartoon movie instead of parody porn vids
18:13 tenplus1       hi tumeni
18:13 tumeninodes    gggrrrrr you beat me to it haha I was typing hi too you dang it
18:13 tumeninodes    hi tenplus1, hi benrob I just reg'ed with bitchute, looks cool
18:14 tenplus1       :P
18:15 benrob0329     tumeninodes: can you post videos?
18:15 benrob0329     or is it still closed to normal users?
18:15 tumeninodes    anyone know if any tweaks to engine could block a placed light source from bleeding through nodes?
18:15 tumeninodes    oh, idk, did not try posting a vid yet
18:16 tenplus1       yeah I noticed that tumeninodes, torch light somehow goes through solid walls for some reason
18:17 tumeninodes    something like omits light = true would be nice
18:18 tumeninodes    benrob, to start a channel you have to verify email address, but I have not gotten a ver email yet
18:19 tumeninodes    tenplus1, I "think" MC has the same issue as well? not completely sure though
18:22 tenplus1       hi ssieb
18:25 ssieb          hi
18:28 tumeninodes    benrob0329, my test video is still... "processing" :P
18:28 tenplus1       heh
18:29 tumeninodes    meanwhile, back in the light source bleeding lab...
18:29 tumeninodes    tenplus1, what's up with your tnt PRs? anyword?
18:30 tenplus1       still waiting for something to happen, they work, they improve game
18:31 garywhite      hi
18:32 tenplus1       hi gary
18:32 CalebDavis     hi gary
18:33 tenplus1       wb behalebabo
18:33 * tumeninodes  hates "waiting"
18:37 Calinou        you wouldn't like Godot then… :)
18:37 Calinou        (Waiting for Godot)
18:37 tenplus1       what's happening with godot today ?
18:37 red-001        their waiting
18:38 lisac          Calinou, 3.0 seems to lack some collision documentation
18:40 rubenwardy     watch out: don't resize the lovely looking corners of collision boxes
18:40 tumeninodes    long waiting lines with Godot? Now serving, number 12 (looks at ticket, says 120,733) : (
18:41 Calinou        lisac: Bullet physics might replace the custom physics engine in 3D
18:41 Calinou        (but not in 2D)
18:41 Calinou        there would be a lot of changes in 3D physics then
18:42 tumeninodes    omg... 20 min and I am still ... "processing"
18:44 tumeninodes    Calinou, do placed light sources bleed through walls/nodes with Godot?
18:44 Calinou        if you enable shadows, then no :P
18:44 Calinou        if you disable them, then yes :P
18:45 tenplus1       I wonder why the bleed happens... you'd thing as soon as it hits a wall it would create a straight line of shadow
18:45 tumeninodes    hmmm..., where's KaadmY?
18:46 tumeninodes    the thing is, sunlight does not penetrate through so why do placed light sources?
18:46 Calinou        tumeninodes: tip: to see when someone last talked on IRC (in any channel or private message), use /whois <nick> <nick> (yes, twice)
18:46 Calinou        (or /wii <nick> in some clients)
18:46 Calinou        it's called the "idle time"
18:46 Calinou        tumeninodes: you can enable shadows with OmniLights as well
18:46 Calinou        (an omni light being a fancy term for a "point light")
18:48 tumeninodes    we need these things :P
18:49 benrob0329     #MakeMinetestaGodotModule
18:49 tumeninodes    ? sorry, I'm still not proficient with irc
18:51 Calinou        tumeninodes: try /whois Calinou Calinou or /wii Calinou
18:51 Calinou        you should see, in addition to the usual Whois information, an idle time
18:51 Calinou        (you may need to switch to your server tab to see it)
18:52 Calinou        note: it's rate-limited (in a global manner), if it tells you it was rate-limited, just try it again
18:53 tumeninodes    I thought it was something like seen Kaadmy?
18:53 twoelk         hometown-server seems to crash a lot today :-(
18:54 tumeninodes    thank you though Calinou :)
18:55 tumeninodes    yep /wii works with server. gotta head to an appt bbl
18:55 tenplus1       /switch
19:01 rdococ         everyone forgot about   /wiiu pretty quickly, huh
19:02 Calinou        :D
19:02 tenplus1       ;P
19:02 rdococ         I still have an original (not XL nor new, nor new XL) /3ds
19:03 tenplus1       the new 2DS XL is out... looks good
19:03 rdococ         anyway, if I leave the nodenames blank in an ABM, does it affect every node with the appropriate neighbors, or no node?
19:03 tenplus1       no node
19:03 rdococ         hm.
19:03 tenplus1       you need to be specific with node names or groups... e.g.   default:sand    group:stone
19:04 rdococ         I guess I could invert it and perform the code from the neighboring nodes I want it to
19:04 tenplus1       what you wanting it to do ?
19:05 rdococ         I'm brainstorming ideas for an awesome nuke asplosion thing, and I plan on making it expand slowly to avoid lag - perhaps using an air-like explosion node similar to WE's worldedit:placeholder.
19:05 tenplus1       oof, go light on the placeholders, those will activate areas and lag
19:06 rdococ         it would also help make the explosion look irregular, which helps.
19:09 tenplus1       voxelmanip will be working overtime to do that one :p
19:09 tenplus1       hi lisac
19:09 tenplus1       or should I say wb :P
19:10 lisac          Hi twelveminus1
19:10 lisac          :P
19:19 rdococ         minetest crashed twice
19:25 Krock          for i=1,2 do minetest.crash() end
19:25 Krock          but it only crashes servers once
19:26 tenplus1       lol
19:28 rdococ         sometimes I feel the urge to create a programming language. then I get bored.
19:29 tenplus1       would be nice if it were something so simple that allowed you to do anything
19:30 rdococ         you mean like most low-level programming languages?
19:30 rdococ         (simple as in not very abstract, not as in easy for a human to grasp ofc :P)
19:31 tenplus1       basic, lua, python is nice n easy
19:31 tenplus1       and pypy does kinda run faster than native
19:32 rdococ         lua is pretty cool, I guess...
19:32 rdococ         I was working on a simple syntax for my idea, actually.
19:33 tenplus1       ooh, do tell
19:33 rdococ         my scriptblocks thing is pretty cool, but eh
19:33 rdococ         well, the idea is that the syntax would be compact.
19:35 rdococ         inc=(x){^x+1}; # defines a function that takes an argument and adds one to it, in 14 characters (spaces can be included, but are optional).
19:35 rdococ         well, technically it would create an anonymous function that does the above, and then assign it to the variable "inc".
19:36 tenplus1       hrm
19:36 rdococ         there would also be blocks - which are like functions, but are much simpler. no parameters, no local scope, and if you return from a block it returns from the block's parent function too.
19:36 tenplus1       hi nrz
19:36 rdococ         I might take this document and put it in a github gist so you can see.
19:36 rdococ         s/this document/my notes/
19:37 nerzhul        hi tenplus1
19:38 rdococ         here, https://gist.github.com/rdococ/4be701fc41ffbcc5b81b4fdeb179bbca
19:39 tenplus1       is this possible by making functions to use ?
19:40 rdococ         whadya mean?
19:40 rubenwardy     may I suggest     inc=x=>x+1
19:40 rdococ         rubenwardy: That's an interesting idea, but eh.
19:40 rubenwardy     It's closer to other languages'
19:40 rubenwardy     and less characters
19:41 rdococ         inc=x→x+1
19:41 rubenwardy     and     add=a,b=>a+b
19:41 rubenwardy     yeah, that's good too
19:41 rubenwardy     could do both
19:42 rdococ         fac=a→a==1?1:a*fac(a-1)
19:42 rdococ         or fac=a→a==0?1:a*fac(a-1) #, rather, so fac(0) doesn't crash.
19:43 rubenwardy     I'm guessing currying of lambdas would be a bit too complicated :D
19:43 rubenwardy     to implement
19:43 rdococ         not that complicated...
19:44 rdococ         but if I'm going /that/ route, then my whole concept of blocks (which were stolen from smalltalk, but meh) would go out the window...
19:44 rdococ         meh, it looks cool so I'm gonna try it.
19:49 rdococ         if you've heard of the Elvis operator, it's equivalent to a,b→a?a:b. I had the idea of a reverse Elvis operator (a,b→a?b:a).
19:51 rdococ         refresh the link I gave above
19:51 tenplus1       wb thomas
19:51 rdococ         hi
19:52 ThomasMonroe   thanks
19:52 CalebDavis     ten i am registering 2 biomes but only 1 is getting put in the world
19:53 tenplus1       are you merging with default biomes or freshly cleared world of everything ?
19:53 CalebDavis     cleared
19:53 ThomasMonroe   same here
19:53 CalebDavis     minetest.register_biome({
19:53 CalebDavis     name = "iceland",
19:53 CalebDavis     --node_dust = "",
19:53 CalebDavis     node_top = "default:ice",
19:53 CalebDavis     depth_top = 1,
19:53 CalebDavis     node_stone = "default:permafrost",
19:53 CalebDavis     node_water_top = "air",
19:53 CalebDavis     depth_water_top = 1,
19:54 CalebDavis     node_water = "air",
19:54 CalebDavis     node_river_water = "air",
19:54 CalebDavis     node_riverbed = "default:sand",
19:54 CalebDavis     depth_riverbed = 2,
19:54 CalebDavis     y_min = 1,
19:54 CalebDavis     y_max = 31000,
19:54 CalebDavis     heat_point = 45,
19:54 CalebDavis     humidity_point = 70,
19:54 Fixer          okay
19:54 CalebDavis     })
19:54 CalebDavis     minetest.register_biome({
19:54 rdococ         CalebDavis: I have one word for people like you.
19:54 CalebDavis     name = "icecrystal_forest",
19:54 CalebDavis     --node_dust = "",
19:54 rdococ         USE. A. PASTEBIN!!!!!!!!
19:54 CalebDavis     node_top = "default:ice",
19:54 Fixer          CalebDavis: pastebin
19:54 CalebDavis     depth_top = 1,
19:54 tenplus1       lolol
19:54 CalebDavis     node_stone = "default:permafrost",
19:54 bigfoot547     oh god
19:54 CalebDavis     node_water_top = "air",
19:54 CalebDavis     depth_water_top = 1,
19:54 rdococ         okay, that was three words
19:54 CalebDavis     node_water = "air",
19:54 bigfoot547     what did I walk into
19:54 rdococ         BUT IT STILL COUNTS!!!
19:54 Fixer          DIAL UP
19:54 CalebDavis     node_river_water = "air",
19:54 CalebDavis     node_riverbed = "default:sand",
19:54 tenplus1       hibigfoot
19:54 CalebDavis     depth_riverbed = 2,
19:54 CalebDavis     y_min = 1,
19:54 bigfoot547     Hey tenplus1
19:54 * rdococ       hides
19:54 CalebDavis     y_max = 31000,
19:54 Fixer          19200
19:54 CalebDavis     heat_point = 86,
19:54 CalebDavis     humidity_point = 65,
19:54 bigfoot547     Kick him
19:54 CalebDavis     })
19:54 CalebDavis     that is the biome registration
19:55 rdococ         /kick CalebDavis spam
19:55 CalebDavis     i usualy do but i forgot this time
19:55 bigfoot547     Like we could read it
19:55 rdococ         you forgot this time?
19:55 benrob0329     CalebDavis: Use a pastebin. Period.
19:55 rdococ         I didn't even know "Kick him" was part of the biome definition...
19:55 CalebDavis     yea i just didnt think about using it this time sry
19:56 tenplus1       they seem ok caleb, just a matter of finding the biomes in question
19:56 rdococ         default:permafrost?
19:56 CalebDavis     a custom node
19:56 tenplus1       iceland will appear more because it's closer to the 50heat 50 humidity point, the other will be rarer
19:56 rdococ         wtf? a custom node shouldn't be in default
19:56 CalebDavis     i am making a subgame
19:56 rdococ         ohh.
19:57 CalebDavis     new default
19:57 bigfoot547     Yeah or "hi bigfoot"
19:57 rdococ         I might try making a subgame. eventually.
19:58 CalebDavis     i also have a decoration that is suposed to spawn in the ice crystal forest but it is spawning everywhere
19:58 rdococ         heh
19:58 rdococ         maybe everywhere is the ice crystal forest? :P
19:58 CalebDavis     :P but i tested and everywhere is the iceland
19:59 rdococ         ...wait, what?
19:59 ThomasMonroe   did you change the name of the biome?
19:59 * rdococ       's mind explodes
19:59 CalebDavis     i might have made a typo
20:00 ThomasMonroe   ive already got 3 biomes and 1 decoration(not going to use it, just for testing)
20:01 tenplus1       nite folks
20:01 ThomasMonroe   :O its only 15:01 here
20:03 * Shara        steals ThomasMonroe's timezone to have more hours left of the day then
20:04 ThomasMonroe   NOOOOOOOOOO
20:04 rdococ         heh
20:04 Raven262       Who even needs day?
20:05 Raven262       Night time has the most of fun.
20:05 ThomasMonroe   i still want to eat dinner
20:05 Shara          I'm kind of indifferent to whether it's day or night... just the total number of hours I get :P
20:06 Raven262       It is only in the night time when you can see the moon and the stars.
20:06 Raven262       If that even matters to people anymore.
20:07 ThomasMonroe   its sure does(well to me at least)
20:07 Shara          Why wouldn't it matter?
20:07 Raven262       Well, you said that it is the same for you.
20:07 Raven262       Sun is much less fun.
20:08 Shara          I like both. Doesn't mean one doesn't matter.
20:08 ThomasMonroe   espeially if you forget sunblock XD
20:08 Raven262       Nice.
20:08 Raven262       The big glowing thing burning my eyes.
20:08 ThomasMonroe   especially*
20:09 * rdococ       needs ideas for biomes
20:10 ThomasMonroe   LAVA!!!!!!!!
20:10 rdococ         VOLCANO!
20:10 Raven262       MUSHROOMS!
20:10 * Shara        wants more biomes
20:10 ThomasMonroe   MICE!!!!
20:10 ThomasMonroe   er, i meant, uhhh
20:10 Raven262       Void biome?
20:10 ThomasMonroe   RATS!!!!!
20:10 Raven262       That would be odd
20:10 rdococ         ...wait, rat biome?
20:10 ThomasMonroe   obsidian glass biome
20:10 Shara          Surface or underground biomes?
20:11 ThomasMonroe   ive actually tried the glass
20:11 Raven262       Underground biomes sure are missing in the game
20:11 ThomasMonroe   i got 2 fps with connected glass
20:11 rdococ         are biomes even 3D?
20:11 ThomasMonroe   definitealy
20:11 Raven262       Obsidian with lava lakes makes a nice biome
20:11 Shara          Raven262: just use CRL for underground ones :)
20:12 Raven262       Yea
20:12 Shara          It's light enough that even Xanadu added it :P
20:12 ThomasMonroe   CRL?
20:12 Raven262       It is using that voxel manipulation to make stuff, i can't learn a thing from it
20:12 Shara          caverealms lite
20:13 ThomasMonroe   ah
20:13 Raven262       i myself have been trying to make certain tunnels and caves generated, but i found no way to do so
20:13 Calinou        hir Raven262!
20:13 Calinou        hi*
20:13 Shara          Old caverealms rewritten to use the map's natural caves instead of creating it's own
20:13 Raven262       Hi Calinou!
20:13 Shara          Makes i tmuch faster and prevents crazy lava spills
20:13 Shara          it*
20:13 Raven262       Ah, we are not talking about ordinary caverealms?
20:14 Raven262       Well
20:14 Raven262       I'll check that one out
20:14 Shara          https://github.com/Zeno-/caverealms_lite
20:14 Raven262       it might solve my problem
20:14 rdococ         o-o
20:14 calcul0n       ho, i love crazy lava spills :)
20:14 Shara          I need to do more work on it, but it's already working well on two busy servers
20:16 Raven262       Is there any "simple" way to generate a cave system?
20:16 Raven262       Without those biome checks and stuff
20:17 Raven262       and with fixed height limits
20:17 * rdococ       tries to find the volcano biome he created... and he teleports to a silver desert.
20:17 Shara          No idea.
20:17 rdococ         really it's a dessert biome. :P
20:17 Shara          Raven262: Using the maps natural caves just seems to work better
20:17 Raven262       i don't need that type of caves
20:18 Raven262       But i also doubt that i could specify the caves which i would like
20:18 rdococ         What temperature even is a silver desert? I can't tell whether to feel hot or cold.
20:18 Shara          What would you be aiming for?
20:18 Shara          rdococ: I guess cold
20:18 * rdococ       wonders what temperature is in its definition
20:19 ThomasMonroe   the amount of energy in a single atom is its "temp"
20:19 Raven262       Tunnels, long tunnels ending in rooms, also tunnels should be long and stretched in one plane, but their height should not vary much.
20:20 Raven262       Basically, a "web" made out of tunnels with occasional caverns in it.
20:20 rdococ         I've ran into 0 volcano biomes and 2 silver deserts.
20:22 ThomasMonroe   XD
20:22 ThomasMonroe   im making a LandOfFire subgame
20:24 Raven262       Hi lisac
20:24 CalebDavis     well i gtg c yall later
20:24 lisac          um... hi.
20:24 lisac          Bye CalebDavis
20:25 rdococ         I set the volcano biome's temperature property to 50 temporarily, see if I could get it to spawn more.
20:25 rdococ         It worked.
20:26 rdococ         It's glorious, if a bit oddly contrasting since it's near a grassland.
20:26 rdococ         Huh, fires.
20:28 Raven262       wb lisac
20:28 ThomasMonroe   wb lisac
20:29 lisac          I'm going to be gone and back quite a few times lol
20:29 lisac          but thanks
20:33 rdococ         huh. I might have to create river lava for this.
20:34 ThomasMonroe   XD
20:36 Megaf          $ uname -a
20:36 Megaf          Linux magnesium 4.12.5-Megaf #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Aug 9 20:42:38 IST 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:36 Megaf          wheres tenplus1?
20:37 Raven262       He left a few minutes ago, Megaf.
20:42 Megaf          the fuck?
20:42 Megaf          I just got the latest MT from git
20:43 Megaf          now I join my server and Im like 3 or 4 meters tall
20:43 Megaf          what the heck have you done to MT?
20:43 Megaf          I mean, its like, as if the camera is above  the players head
20:44 Raven262       lisac had the same thing on his latest client
20:44 Megaf          and I cant go up stairs anymore
20:44 Raven262       I didn't update though
20:44 calcul0n       it's an incompatibility, dev clients do that with older servers
20:44 Megaf          stupid MT devs
20:45 lisac          <Megaf> stupid MT devs
20:45 Krock          stupid server owners who can't just use stable versions
20:45 calcul0n       no, stupid users who don't know what dev branch means :)
20:45 lisac          I'm keeping this
20:45 rdococ         :P
20:45 rubenwardy     Megaf, 0.5.0
20:45 rubenwardy     although tbh I'm not very familar with the change
20:45 rubenwardy     not sure why it couldn't be backwards compatible
20:45 Megaf          also Minetest is slower than ever before now
20:45 rdococ         0.5.0?
20:45 Megaf          congrats
20:46 lisac          <Megaf> stupid MT devs
20:46 Krock          re-compile from scratch?
20:46 Megaf          it says 0.4.16
20:46 Krock          how about MTG?
20:46 Megaf          lisac, you dont know me, I been in MT for nearly 5 years
20:46 Megaf          6 maybe
20:46 Megaf          our devs are stupid
20:46 lisac          umm
20:46 lisac          <Megaf> stupid MT devs
20:47 lisac          :P
20:47 Megaf          and so I am
20:47 Megaf          I mean
20:47 Megaf          so am I
20:47 Megaf          see?
20:47 rdococ         definitely
20:47 lisac          I can see that
20:47 lisac          I'm just not sure about the devs
20:47 Raven262       So they were like this all the time?
20:47 * Krock        gives lisac a PostIt (C)(R)(TM) to stick it right to his monitor
20:47 * lisac        binds <Megaf> stupid MT devs
20:47 Megaf          Raven262, yep, stupid since ever
20:47 Megaf          its not new
20:47 lisac          I've got some more stuff already binded
20:47 * rdococ       binds a chicken somehow
20:48 Krock          rdococ, how will you make it stick on your monitor? besides that - it's crazy
20:48 Megaf          so they break everything, make it slower than ever, and the same stupid 6 years old bug still present
20:48 Megaf          well done
20:48 Megaf          s/bug/bugs
20:49 lisac          Megaf, exactly. They should be working for that money they earn. Oh wait.
20:49 rubenwardy     it's not broken
20:49 rubenwardy     it's just not backwards compatible
20:49 Krock          "performance regression" as 6 year old bug?
20:49 Megaf          lisac, the do actually earn money
20:49 Megaf          well, c55 does
20:50 Raven262       For minetest?
20:50 Raven262       How exactly?
20:50 Krock          I bet he spends more on keeping the servers online
20:50 ThomasMonroe   to my knowledge i think they are trying to get everything off of Irrlicht
20:50 rubenwardy     celeron55 has said that the donations don't cover the maintenance cost
20:50 Krock          Raven262, there's a donation button on the website IIRC
20:50 rubenwardy     there's also paramat's donations page
20:50 lisac          Krock, there is a donation button on the random android app I've got. Yet, they didn't earn any money off me
20:51 Raven262       I doubt he gets much money from it, it is really unreliable.
20:51 Raven262       As any donation.
20:51 ThomasMonroe   probably more supplemental than anything else
20:52 lisac          maybe we could just ask him to publish yearly 'Donation got:' 'Server maintenance cost:'
20:52 Shara          lisac: if it's a random android app, I doubt it's donating to the actual MT team.
20:52 Shara          More likely whoever is cashing in by releasing random apps
20:52 lisac          Shara, I'm talking about Donation buttons in general
20:52 Shara          Those are the people who make money
20:53 Raven262       Or better
20:53 Raven262       Stealing the money under MT devs noses
20:53 Shara          Well, I just love it when players told me they paid so they could use the fly priv I grant them
20:53 lisac          Shara, WHAT?
20:53 Shara          This is news to you really?
20:53 lisac          You aren't telling me some apps sell privs?
20:54 Shara          There are android apps that block some proivs unless the player pays.
20:54 ThomasMonroe   yep
20:54 Shara          privs*
20:54 * lisac        is off to make a fortune
20:54 lisac          Fly: 25$ a month
20:54 lisac          Fast: 10$ a month
20:54 ThomasMonroe   XD
20:54 Shara          Heh
20:54 lisac          I'll be rich soon
20:54 Raven262       But isn't that client side? They would fly even if you didn't grant them the priv.
20:54 Krock          Fly&Noclip: 99$ / month
20:54 lisac          not with anticheat, Raven262
20:54 ThomasMonroe   Fly: .01$ a second
20:54 Raven262       Ah yes
20:54 Raven262       Per node
20:54 Shara          Since I grant fly by default, I have no way to check
20:54 Raven262       Not per second
20:55 Raven262       Oh no, poor players >:)
20:55 ThomasMonroe   why not?
20:55 ThomasMonroe   .6$ a minute
20:55 ThomasMonroe   3.60$ an hour per player
20:56 ThomasMonroe   lets say each hour there are at least 5 players
20:56 Raven262       Yea, but when they float they would still lose money that way... wait
20:56 Calinou        that's how much I was paid at my internship
20:56 Calinou        (€3.60/hour)
20:56 Calinou        :P
20:56 ThomasMonroe   18$ an hour,
20:56 Krock          that'd be nice VPS specs for this price
20:56 Raven262       Calinou, you too off to make some minetest clones? xD
20:56 lisac          Calinou, minimum pay in Serbia is <1€
20:56 Raven262       To refund those loses
20:56 lisac          which would make yours 3x the minimal pay
20:56 Shara          Krock: if only it was going to the server owner :P
20:56 ThomasMonroe   not bad for a clone app
20:57 Raven262       But you also have to make sure people actually play it
20:57 Raven262       Which is where you need to steal someone else's code and integrate it
20:57 lisac          Raven262, simple. Make ton of popup ads. Players like those
20:57 Raven262       And
20:57 ThomasMonroe   oh yeah they just looooove those XD
20:57 Raven262       If you are doing it illegal, at least do it right
20:58 Calinou        what about making clickbait videos?
20:58 Raven262       Steal a bunch of features
20:58 Calinou        "I BUILT a FIDGET SPINNER in MINETEST!"
20:58 lisac          ThomasMonroe, well OFC they do. Why else would they play illegal copies instead of official MT?
20:58 Calinou        "Try not to laugh in front of this player!"
20:58 Krock          "Get Minecraft for free!"
20:58 lisac          REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
20:58 Raven262       Those too
20:58 Shara          On a more cheerful note... sometimes I love finding things my players built: http://i.imgur.com/QEqv7gs.png
20:58 Calinou        looks nice :)
20:58 Krock          amazing
20:58 Shara          Can't wait to walk through there when that's finished.
20:58 Raven262       So artistic much wow
20:59 lisac          Shara, I half expected a fidget spinner
20:59 Shara          Hah :D
20:59 * lisac        is mildly disapointed
21:00 Shara          Fairly new player as well. Must not let other servers steal this one >.>
21:00 * lisac        starts building it on Craigs
21:00 lisac          too late, comrade!
21:00 lisac          this building is seized
21:00 Shara          The player :P
21:01 lisac          aaah
21:01 Shara          You can't steal the player!
21:01 lisac          what's his name?
21:01 lisac          ofc I can. I just need enough cookies
21:01 lisac          everyone likes those. And cheese
21:01 Shara          But I have all the cookies.
21:01 Shara          And the doughnuts!
21:01 Raven262       Cheeeese!
21:01 lisac          It's treason then.
21:01 Raven262       No, really cheese.
21:01 lisac          oh.
21:01 lisac          I see
21:01 lisac          ... through the Jedi lies!
21:02 Shara          Which kind of cheese..?
21:02 ThomasMonroe   gouda
21:02 * rdococ       considers how to add rain
21:02 Shara          Hmmm
21:02 rdococ         maybe spawn particles at the player?
21:02 Raven262       laggggg
21:02 Shara          ThomasMonroe: You can do better.
21:02 Shara          rdococ: There's quite a few weather mods around
21:03 * ThomasMonroe wants some ideas for biomes in a land dominated by fire and lava
21:03 rdococ         Shara: I know, but since I'm dumb I wanted to make a bad one of my own
21:03 lisac          Cheese for everyone!
21:03 lisac          No, screw that. Cheese for none.
21:03 lisac          We can have as much fun without cheese, can't we?
21:03 rdococ         weird person detected
21:03 Shara          ThomasMonroe: Something metal/rust themed?
21:03 ThomasMonroe   Parmigiano Reggiano
21:03 ThomasMonroe   hows that Shara?
21:04 Shara          Have seen such biomes in other games, and often looks nice.
21:04 Raven262       Lisac, I'm so happy to see you i could tear out your intestines and strangle you with them!
21:04 ThomasMonroe   im thinking about using hotcobble from caverealms(textures only)
21:04 lisac          https://youtu.be/jq9TnI7ssTU?t=27s
21:05 Raven262       ThomasMonroe, default cobble + colorize to red + overlay so it colorizes only the darker parts
21:05 Raven262       Wait
21:05 Raven262       i think i did something like that already
21:05 Raven262       well it saves you the trouble of adding a new texture
21:05 Shara          A good biome needs more than just nodes with different textures
21:05 ThomasMonroe   yes ik Shara
21:06 ThomasMonroe   too bad i cant have a random mix of nodes for topnodes XD
21:06 Raven262       You need burned trees from which you get coal lumps, of course
21:06 Raven262       you also need obsidian
21:06 Raven262       a lot of obsidian
21:06 ThomasMonroe   already got that
21:06 Raven262       and the red sky
21:06 ThomasMonroe   that was the first biom i created
21:06 ThomasMonroe   biome*
21:06 Raven262       also, the stone should preferably be red somewhere
21:07 Raven262       at least in one biome
21:07 Shara          Ethereal already has burned trees and things.
21:07 ThomasMonroe   how do i colorize the cobble red?
21:07 Raven262       http://dev.minetest.net/texture
21:07 Raven262       that should cover it
21:08 Raven262       Also, you can make some vegetation
21:08 Shara          ThomasMonroe: An example: https://github.com/Ezhh/abriglass/blob/master/nodes.lua#L18
21:08 Raven262       red bushes for example
21:08 Shara          Just replace colour there with whatever
21:08 ThomasMonroe   so it "sometexture.png^colorize:#ffffff"?
21:08 Shara          Yup
21:08 ThomasMonroe   kk thanks
21:08 Raven262       ^[colorize:#
21:08 Raven262       i believe
21:09 Shara          But keep in mind, if you start with a dark texture, it might not work too well
21:09 Raven262       or with a light one either
21:09 Shara          Light ones can work
21:09 * Raven262     means white
21:09 Raven262       well, lots of white
21:09 Raven262       like chalk
21:09 Shara          My glass uses a pale shade of grey and ends up with quite bright colours
21:10 Raven262       not like clay i mean
21:10 Raven262       it is too dark
21:10 Raven262       well, guess it is not that bright
21:10 Raven262       you can always add a layer above that is colorized and the applied over the texture
21:11 Shara          Well, using pale grey as the base image and the code in that link, I got these: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Ezhh/abriglass/master/screenshot.png
21:11 Raven262       They look very nice
21:12 ThomasMonroe   yes they are quite good
21:12 Shara          Most other coloured glass I saw on servers is... weirdly cloudy looking
21:12 Raven262       Cause people use the, well cloud thingy in gimp and then colorize it
21:12 Raven262       Or something similar
21:13 Raven262       but they don't know that it messes up the shading afterwards
21:13 Raven262       on buildings i mean
21:13 ThomasMonroe   hehe yep
21:13 Shara          Was looking at the cblocks glass on Xanadu earlier... the red still looks more like pink to me.
21:14 Shara          I think that's what bugs me.. I want distinct looking colours, not washed out looking ones
21:14 Raven262       if you use the red hex code (#ff0000) you'll usually get something pink-like on translucent surface
21:15 Shara          Yet I manage to avoid it there
21:15 Raven262       and when you use the gray color as the base (the one you colorize) you will always end up with undersaturated texture
21:15 ThomasMonroe   meh, if you do it right it comes out nicely
21:15 Raven262       though you can try to colorize with #ff0000100 to get it a bit better
21:15 ThomasMonroe   but i think i'll use the caverealms texture
21:16 Shara          ThomasMonroe: You just want red cobble?
21:16 ThomasMonroe   no, not entirely
21:16 Shara          This any use? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Ezhh/other_worlds/master/textures/asteroid_redcobble.png
21:17 rdococ         yay for image editors!
21:17 ThomasMonroe   it looks like it should be on something like mars
21:17 ThomasMonroe   not a super hot planet
21:17 Shara          Well, it's from the red sky region :P
21:17 ThomasMonroe   XD
21:17 Shara          But a slight adjustment to the colour and it could easily look hot, since it's in the right colour range already
21:18 Raven262       Hmm i think i could make your texture in one line of code, using just the default cobble one
21:18 Raven262       this might be a bit hacky though
21:18 ThomasMonroe   tiles = {"default_cobble.png^[colorize:#aa000020"},
21:18 * Raven262     will be testing this idea for a while
21:18 Raven262       No, thats too simple
21:18 ThomasMonroe   i tried playing around, but its not working the way i want it to
21:19 rdococ         does MT use lua 5.2.0?
21:19 rdococ         or, 5.2.x
21:19 rdococ         I ask because it has a new goto feature I'm thinking of using
21:19 Krock          it uses what's installed on the builder's machine
21:20 Krock          like LuaJIT, if enabled
21:20 rdococ         well, I recently installed lua 5.2...
21:20 Krock          (which would be Lua 5.1)
21:20 rdococ         does mesecons use setfenv?
21:20 rdococ         (as in, the luacontroller). I heard it was replaced with something else in 5.2.
21:21 Krock          dunno. google and duckduckgo will know the answer
21:30 nerzhul        5.1.5
21:31 rdococ         do similar seeds make for similar perlin noise maps, or...?
21:32 Raven262       ThomasMonroe, "((default_cobble.png^[colorize:#80000050)^(((default_cobble.png^[makealpha:69,66,64)^[makealpha:75,72,69)^[makealpha:72,68,66))^[colorize:#80000020"
21:32 Raven262       try it! xD
21:32 Raven262       or remove the last colorization if you prefer it
21:33 Raven262       Oh, i could make it animated
21:33 Raven262       lol
21:33 Raven262       no, no way i'm doing that
21:33 Raven262       too complicated
21:34 ThomasMonroe   not bad, but still not what im going for
21:34 Raven262       tell me how you want it? I like to experiment :P
21:34 Raven262       maybe without the last colorization?
21:34 ThomasMonroe   similar to caverealms hot cobble
21:34 * Raven262     checks out that cobble
21:36 Raven262       Ahhh got it
21:40 Megaf          now,
21:41 Megaf          back to compatibility
21:41 Megaf          are new servers compatible with old clients?
21:45 rdococ         huh. turns out that computing a 1x1 perlin noise map every step and adding 10 particles every step isn't that laggy.
21:45 rdococ         of course, 20 particles was a little laggy, so good luck if it's on a server with >2 people.
21:46 rdococ         then again, the server doesn't have to render each particle.
21:57 Fixer          lol
21:57 Fixer          20 particles
21:57 Fixer          mc, 600-700 particles, still good fps
21:57 Fixer          beta 1.7.3 *cough*
21:59 bigfoot547     Fixer: Try Beta 1.6 test build 3
22:01 Raven262       ThomasMonroe, "(default_cobble.png^[colorize:#800000:255)^(((default_cobble.png^[makealpha:69,66,64)^[colorize:#804000:192)^((((default_cobble.png^[makealpha:75,72,69)^[makealpha:69,66,64)^[colorize:#700000:192)^((((default_cobble.png^[makealpha:69,66,64)^[makealpha:75,72,69)^[makealpha:72,68,66)^[colorize:#000000:128)))"
22:01 Raven262       enjoy
22:01 Raven262       I did my best
22:02 Raven262       result: http://i.imgur.com/SFxRzWg.png
22:03 Raven262       Well, i think that chunk of code has smaller size than the texture, really.
22:03 ThomasMonroe   hehe
22:03 Raven262       Its a space-saver i assure you
22:03 Raven262       xD
22:05 ThomasMonroe   looks nice, but doesnt seem to fit
22:06 Raven262       Ahhh
22:06 Raven262       Well, could i make it even better?
22:06 * Raven262     wonders.
22:07 ThomasMonroe   http://imgur.com/cq46XVQ
22:08 Raven262       You need more red to that sand
22:08 Raven262       It really makes other texture out of place
22:08 ThomasMonroe   ik im working on it
22:09 ThomasMonroe   im getting another screenshot for you
22:09 ThomasMonroe   http://imgur.com/jv7EJpX
22:10 ThomasMonroe   hey lisac
22:10 Raven262       Thats the caverealms cobble there
22:10 Raven262       Hey don't think i didn't see both of them side by side already
22:10 Raven262       check out my screenshot, i have on of them in my inv
22:11 * lisac        > dbus.Array([dbus.String('Opeth')], signature=dbus.Signature('s'), variant_level=1) - Bleak  - [ Blackwater Park ] - [ 54777:09:32 / 00:00 ]
22:11 lisac          Would you look at that
22:11 lisac          that is all the progress I've got so far
22:11 lisac          clementine changed their dbus api
22:11 lisac          I'm rewriting this script
22:12 * lisac        > dbus.Array([dbus.String('Opeth')], signature=dbus.Signature('s'), variant_level=1) - Bleak  - [ Blackwater Park ] - [ 71959:43:52 / 00:00 ]
22:13 lisac          and the whole fucking thing crashes every time I try to reload the plugin
22:13 * lisac        > dbus.Array([dbus.String('Opeth')], signature=dbus.Signature('s'), variant_level=1) - Bleak  - [ Blackwater Park ] - [ 88:27:49 / 00:00 ]
22:13 Fixer          o_O
22:16 KaadmY         Wat
22:16 KaadmY         lisac: I think you broke your music IRC logger thingy again
22:16 lisac          I think so too :(
22:23 rdococ         How is the default day_night_ratio determined from the time?
22:28 red-001        well lisac broke
22:29 rdococ         rip
22:30 red-001        lisac, sudo system_status
22:31 lisac          sudo: system_status: command not found
22:31 lisac          nah it's just hexchat crashing on script reload
22:31 lisac          they should definitely fix that bug
22:33 rdococ         you know, minimal development test's textures are cool
22:36 IhrFussel      Guys which client version was protocol version 28?
22:39 bigfoot547     IhrFussel: I think that it was somewhere between 0.2 and 0.4.16
22:39 bigfoot547     (As in "i'm not sure")
22:40 IhrFussel      Lol...0.4.14 is my guess or latest 0.4.15 ... 32 is 0.4.16
22:40 * rdococ       farts
22:40 rdococ         I have a spontaneous urge to try out one of the earliest versions of the game.
22:41 bigfoot547     The travis build for the stable-0.2 branch failed
22:41 bigfoot547     so good luck
22:41 * bigfoot547   opens a window
22:46 Megaf          rdococ, with a lot of trial an error you may be able to make 0.3 run
22:47 Megaf          0.2 I dont think so
22:47 Megaf          0.3 is very cool by the way
22:49 rdococ         why is it?
22:50 rdococ         also, if anything I'll go the lazy route and wine