Time  Nick          Message
00:27 benrob0329    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFank69OmRY It's been a year since I made this video, and what have I done since?
00:28 benrob0329    http://imgur.com/a/P8O30
00:28 benrob0329    >gaming videos
00:29 benrob0329    a few other things, but mostly gaming related videos
00:42 rubenwardy    Grandolf, he's also not on #-dev
00:42 rubenwardy    so why ask on dev?
00:54 paramat       nathan sometimes appears in this channel, maybe minetest channel too, but i never see him in -dev
00:59 benrob0329    son of a bitch, the nextcloud client removes folders you tell it not to sync
00:59 benrob0329    welp, good thing i have a backup
00:59 benrob0329    little old, only a bunch of crap i need to redo
01:43 rubenwardy    got 2FA working on one of my sites (tba):   https://i.rubenwardy.com/QA85D4N8Oi.png
01:43 rubenwardy    offtopic
01:43 rubenwardy    was quite fun, nice algorithm/protocol/standard
02:12 benrob0329    rubenwardy: nice
02:12 benrob0329    Im going to be redoing a bunch of work I screwed up
10:30 Shara         Morning all
10:43 Raven262      Hi Shara
11:31 Megaf         Good day everyone.
11:41 Krock         gellp Megaf
11:41 Krock         *hello
11:46 VanessaE      [off[ ok.
11:47 VanessaE      fek.
11:48 Calinou       hi
11:48 VanessaE      hi
11:51 rdococ        hi
12:03 Fixer         hiii
12:03 Fixer         how is you burning today?
12:10 rdococ        Bored, need /mod ideas./
12:16 Krock         /how about/ a /burning deadly laser/
12:16 VanessaE      is it mounted on a shark?
12:17 Krock         no, it comes from above and is called "sun, but 1 billion years ago"
12:18 Krock         reference to bill wurtz' "history of the entire world, I guess"
12:18 VanessaE      well screw that, then :)
12:19 Krock         Offtopic, MT-unrelated: Has anyone already experienced the problem that all wireless cards/dongles only work a few minutes after enabling on (X/L/K)ubuntu?
12:20 VanessaE      not precisely, but I had to argue with mine for a while before discovering that it only works on channels 1 and roughly 8 through 11 (2.4GHz)
12:20 VanessaE      must be a bunch of noise in the 2-7 range
12:21 Krock         hmm
12:21 tumeninodes   Krock, history of the entire world, I guess... haha, my kid showed it to me last night.
12:21 tumeninodes   btw, Hi everyone
12:21 VanessaE      meh, better to watch History of the World Part 1. :)
12:21 VanessaE      hi
12:22 tumeninodes   gahd, I haven't seen that in a loong time
12:23 VanessaE      Brooks is the master of comedy :)
12:23 tumeninodes   hehe, Blazing Saddles
12:24 tumeninodes   he is a God. Just had to check if he is still among us... and it's ok.. he is :)
12:25 Fixer         History of the World Burning Part 1.
12:25 Fixer         minetest is doing?
12:26 VanessaE      oh no, don't start that
12:27 tumeninodes   hehe
12:29 tumeninodes   pray that minetest accepts us our offerings
12:31 * VanessaE    wanders off to bed
12:31 VanessaE      night
12:32 Fixer         collisionMoveSimple fixes
12:32 Fixer         +39*C
12:32 Fixer         officially joined Africa
12:33 tumeninodes   night Vanessa
12:34 rdococ        I am so glad and a little gutted I'm not in the European mainland right now.
12:34 tumeninodes   +39*C ?!
12:34 rdococ        I've heard they're experiencing temperatures of upwards of 40C.
12:35 tumeninodes   holy $hit!
12:36 tumeninodes   But in Europe there is also a humidy factor blechk, Africa it is normally dry heat (not that, that makes it any better)
12:37 rdococ        Weird how Britain didn't get caught up in the heatwave.
12:38 tumeninodes   they voted out of it :P
12:38 Megaf         Hi all, there' s a script or something that will degenerate empty areas or something, right?
12:38 Fixer         tumeninodes: +39*C is not that high
12:38 Krock         there's an unexplore script
12:38 Fixer         tumeninodes: some places in Europe already had +47*C
12:39 tumeninodes   Fixer, 102 in my language haha
12:40 Krock         Fixer, "climate change doesn't exist" - dear mr. president
12:40 * tumeninodes likes 70-75*F with slight random breeze all year round
12:40 * Krock       slaps tumeninodes for not using SI-units
12:41 tumeninodes   23*C
12:41 Megaf         [13:38:39] <Krock> there's an unexplore script
12:41 Megaf         what does it do?
12:41 Krock         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10333
12:41 Fixer         tumeninodes: +23*C? Alaska?
12:41 Fixer         Greenland?
12:41 tumeninodes   this Summer feels as if US and Great Britain have changed weather
12:43 tumeninodes   I must have *C confused..., I'm murcan gimme a break
12:44 Fixer         *F is ridiculous and should be banned
12:46 tumeninodes   all should be banned... should be a measure of "F-ing freezin, pretty cold, not so bad, nice out, little warm, F-ing hot out there"
12:47 rdococ        *F isn't too bad.
12:47 rdococ        Of course, I prefer *Rd, the Rdococ scale.
12:48 Fixer         it is weird that one of the most advanced nation in the world uses imperial units
12:49 tumeninodes   funny thing is, all these climate change politicians are the top worse offenders related to climate, their lifestyles. They could care less, and in it for the $$$$.
12:49 tumeninodes   Fixer, because... Imperialists ;)
12:50 Fixer         http://www.zmescience.com/other/map-of-countries-officially-not-using-the-metric-system/
12:52 tumeninodes   That's BS, we don't stick to imperial because we hate change... It's because we're too stupid to learn something else
12:53 Fixer         also this month/day/year thing is the worst
12:53 rdococ        Fixer: to reduce ambiguity it should be year/month/day.
12:53 tumeninodes   too busy with crap tv, alcohol as a religion, and sports
12:53 Fixer         yeah
12:54 rdococ        the crap tv is a combination of distraction and manipulation
12:54 tumeninodes   I dislike US (mostly for society reasons.. but, too lazy to move
12:56 Fixer         "The use of two different unit systems was the cause of the loss of the Mars Climate Orbiter in 1998"
13:00 Fixer         collisions are client side?
13:00 tumeninodes   idk, I quite like month/day/year... kinda makes more sense whether you see it or not.
13:01 Fixer         does not
13:01 tumeninodes   I thought it was server side?
13:01 rdococ        tumeninodes: how does month/day/year make more sense?!
13:01 rdococ        It's like counting from 1 to 10, and going "2, 1, 3..."!
13:02 Fixer         ugh, wth...
13:02 Fixer         new bug
13:03 Fixer         strange
13:03 tumeninodes   rdococ, how does that example make any sense? 0_o
13:04 rdococ        tumeninodes: A year is larger than a month, and a month is larger than a day. So the British day/month/year system makes sense, it's like counting up from 1 to 3.
13:05 Fixer         here people say it is "5 of august"
13:06 tumeninodes   day/month/year makes sense, I agree... but year/month/day was mentioned which seems bass ackwards to me :P
13:06 Fixer         YMD is good for files
13:06 rdococ        Year/month/day may be backwards, tumeninodes, but it avoids ambiguity since year/day/month is even /less/ common.
13:07 Krock         https://media0dk-a.akamaihd.net/52/54/98a0ee984463db2e9a28b88a90af0424.jpg
13:07 rdococ        Of course, the actual best format is month/year/day. /s
13:07 tumeninodes   Of all the areas of measurement, I honestly feel the organizing of the date seems the least important tbh
13:08 tumeninodes   if written out and read, it is normally easy to decipher for anyone with a functional brain
13:09 tumeninodes   no matter the order
13:09 rdococ        tumeninodes: What day is 12/10/17, then?
13:09 Krock         no, tell me what day 12/06/11 was
13:09 rdococ        11/12/10
13:10 Fixer         lol
13:10 tumeninodes   thpltpltplt
13:10 Fixer         12/12/12
13:10 rdococ        3/3/3
13:11 rdococ        22/7
13:11 tumeninodes   aha 12/12/12 and the like will not matter Dec. 12 2012/1912/1812/1712
13:12 tumeninodes   22 cannot be a month as there are only 12 months, so either a day or year in the future
13:12 tumeninodes   or the past
13:13 rdococ        then explain 12/06/11 then
13:13 tumeninodes   so it works the other way around what is 10/10/10 ?
13:13 tumeninodes   9/5/3
13:14 rdococ        1/2/3
13:15 tumeninodes   but, if we stick too xx/xx/xxxx order the year will never be in question, the mo/day or day/mo will be in question only to a certain degree as anything over 12 indicates it is the day
13:17 rdococ        Or we can use YYYY/MM/DD, and nothing will ever be in question.
13:18 tumeninodes   2017/03/04 ok then what is this? considering you use YYY/MM/DD but one who wrote it does not?
13:19 tumeninodes   it almost comes to saying "everyone" should simply use the same language, which would make things much easier as well
13:19 Fixer         YYYYMMDD is very useful in office
13:20 tumeninodes   but, which language? most of the time, each individual will feel they're choice is best
13:21 tumeninodes   Fixer, for filing, I would absolutely agree with that... as it simulates a sort of alphabetical order
13:22 tumeninodes   he he.... we are sooooo far off MT related talk :P
13:23 tumeninodes   we're badath rebels
13:23 rdococ        everything-pinyin
13:23 Shara         I tried to encourage YYYYMMDD while working on documents before... but people couldn't see to understand it.
13:23 Shara         seem*
13:24 rdococ        How about a new format in which we indicate each number with a letter?
13:24 tumeninodes   nah, that is definitely the way to go with files/docs
13:24 rdococ        For example: Y2017D03M02 is on the third of February, 2017.
13:24 rdococ        Simple.
13:25 tumeninodes   simple, but would get shot down the second people notice it requires a second more work and effort to do
13:25 tumeninodes   they might even have notions to dispatch you
13:26 tumeninodes   hi Shara
13:27 tumeninodes   afk
13:30 rdococ        Y17/M05/D02 is obvious.
13:32 Fixer         in fairness - during offtopic I found a new MT bug
13:32 Fixer         and testing collision changes
13:33 rdococ        a new MT bug? the horror!
13:34 Fixer         MTG bug actually
13:34 rdococ        o-o
13:38 * Wayward_One peeks in
13:39 rdococ        YaY
13:43 rdococ        bumb
13:44 tumeninodes   so, "offtopic" is justified as useful :)
13:50 rubenwardy    <rdococ> Weird how Britain didn't get caught up in the heatwave.
13:50 rubenwardy    it's currently chucking it down
13:51 rubenwardy    raining cats and dogs
13:52 tumeninodes   0_o oh the poor things... :(
13:52 rdococ        idk, it looks fine from here
13:52 rubenwardy    it's possibly one of the oddest phrases
13:52 tumeninodes   fun for the mind though
13:53 rubenwardy    and, it's stopped raining
13:53 rdococ        I'll get a pet
13:53 rubenwardy    http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2654675#maps
13:54 rubenwardy    2017-08-05 is the best
13:54 tumeninodes   looks like you'll be getting cats and dogs, off and on today
13:56 rubenwardy    2017-08-05 14:00:00+0000Z for the pros
13:57 tumeninodes   rubenwardy, how difficult would it be, to add an "eraser" type feature to NBE? In other words, one could use it to create a pattern, in 1 node deep paths?
13:58 tumeninodes   odd and random question, sorry
13:58 rubenwardy    do you mean eroding existing blocks? so say you had a cube, clicking a side would get rid of a smaller cube where you clicked
13:59 tumeninodes   yes
13:59 rubenwardy    quite difficult, as you'd need to handle subdivision
13:59 tumeninodes   ahhh, I thought so... nvm :D
13:59 rubenwardy    it could be done, but you would want to have the export optimised
14:00 rubenwardy    so painful
14:00 rubenwardy    I'd just go with blender :P
14:00 tumeninodes   blender could be greatly simplified
14:01 tumeninodes   I get confused doing cutouts with boolean
14:04 Fixer         rubenwardy: lol
14:04 Fixer         rubenwardy: antarctica
14:19 rdococ        antarctic chicken
14:26 rdococ        I've figured out a method of getting underlines to show up pretty well ingame using the Unicode combining low line.
15:01 benrob0329    The best date keeping format is Unix time
15:01 benrob0329    1: There is no confusion on the order
15:02 benrob0329    2: Time is included
15:02 benrob0329    3: files are always in order
15:02 benrob0329    4: No timezones
15:04 benrob0329    So happy 1501945434 o clock everybody.
15:05 rdococ        that is barely human-readable
15:06 rdococ        additionally, it becomes harder for humans to specify certain time-ranges
15:06 benrob0329    Well YYYMMDD is harder to read in passing
15:06 rdococ        again, use my solution.
15:07 rdococ        Y17/M8/D5.
15:07 benrob0329    You have to read the year and month to check the day
15:08 benrob0329    5/8/2017 is much easier to read in passing
15:08 rdococ        D5/M8/Y17, whatever
15:08 rdococ        the point is prefixing the values by Y, M or D to ensure no confusion
15:08 benrob0329    That makes it harder to read though
15:08 rdococ        disagree
15:09 rdococ        d5/m8/y17 if you want to increase the visual distinction between the letter and numbers
15:10 benrob0329    You might find that easy to read, but it takes longer and is even harder if you have bad eyes
15:10 rdococ        and unix time is soooo much better to read with bad eyes /s
15:10 rdococ        if you want something easier to read, use day 5, month 8, year 2017
15:11 rdococ        better yet; day five, month eight, year two thousand and seventeen
15:11 benrob0329    I was showing that you guys are arguing silly points and not taking everything into account
15:11 benrob0329    rdococ: no, that takes even longer to read
15:11 rdococ        oh, well soooorrreeeeeee for stepping on your sarcasm button
15:12 * benrob0329  stares at rdococ, one eyebrow raised
15:12 * rdococ      stares at benrob0329, three eyebrows raised
15:13 * benrob0329  tares off rdococ's fake eyebrow
15:14 * rdococ      farts
15:15 rdococ        inser' bri'ish accen' heyer
15:30 * VanessaE    is back for a bit
15:32 VanessaE      [08-05 08:44] <Fixer> *F is ridiculous and should be banned   <--- so should using "*" in place of "°"  :P
15:33 rdococ        Clearly, everyone should be using °Rd, the Rdococ scale.
15:34 benrob0329    °k is the real winner
15:35 benrob0329    Its...scientific
15:35 rubenwardy    *   K
15:35 rubenwardy    there's no degree sign :)
15:35 rdococ        benrob0329: °Rankine
15:35 benrob0329    rubenwardy: oh
15:35 benrob0329    Oops
15:35 rdococ        benrob0329: rankine is to fahrenheit as kelvin is to celsius
15:35 rubenwardy    I'm not sure why
15:36 rdococ        so it's equally scientific
15:36 benrob0329    Lets all just say what the weather is based on objects
15:37 benrob0329    Like, a nuclear reactor
15:37 rdococ        it's as hot as a chicken in the desert
15:37 benrob0329    Or my computer when its reentering something overnight
15:38 rdococ        there's degrees Newton apparently
15:38 rdococ        0°C is 0°N, but 100°C is 33°N
16:02 Bobr2         wb ds-minetest
16:02 DS-minetest   thx
16:02 Bobr2         np
16:09 rdococ        I have a mod which uses hacky hacky hax to modify the IRC mod to display IRC formatting ingame, and add ingame BBCode tags that display in IRC. It works on colors and underline, but I haven't figured out how to display bold and italic ingame yet.
16:10 rdococ        Does anyone have any ideas? I wondered if I could replace each letter with a Unicode blackboard bold equivalent, but I don't think the font has that.
16:10 rubenwardy    default to #f0f0f0 text, show #fff on bold?
16:11 rdococ        That might work.
16:11 rdococ        though I'm not sure I can modify the color of the text by default.
16:14 rdococ        It'd be cool if Minetest added escape sequences for bold and italic
16:48 * Krock       wants to paste [ESC] (0x1b) in the chat but irrlicht doesn't let him do so
16:53 rubenwardy    Does anyone know any friendly chat rooms / communities for graphics / opengl / glsl shaders?
17:01 Calinou       >friendly >graphics programming
17:01 Calinou       choose one
17:01 rubenwardy    lol
17:02 rubenwardy    it's the sort of low level thing that attracts a**eholes
17:02 Calinou       "I'm going to shove some vertex buffer objects up your arse!"
17:02 Krock         ##OpenGL ?
17:04 rdococ        QUATERNIONS!
17:05 rubenwardy    you're obsessed
17:10 rdococ        YAAAY
17:11 rdococ        are there any poorly written 3d engines that use euler angles?
17:15 Calinou       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/camera.cpp#L506
17:15 Calinou       :D
17:16 rubenwardy    I saw that a while ago, lol
17:16 rubenwardy    there are some interesting comments
17:29 rubenwardy    > 215 requests, 3.65MB
17:29 rubenwardy    has NextCloud not heard about minification
17:53 rubenwardy    benrob0329, rdococ: NextCloud takes 1m 30s to load from scratch, with 215 requests
17:54 rubenwardy    It didn't load at all until I added my IP to the whitelist of my rate limiter
17:58 rubenwardy    I have 200Mbps, and the server is in Canada with 100Mbps
18:42 Calinou       I DID IT
18:42 Calinou       I compiled Yamagi Quake 2 (well, a branch of it) using MSYS2
18:42 Calinou       and it runs
18:43 tumeninodes   tell! KaadmY thought you might be interested in this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HusvGeEDU_U&list=PLRIWtICgwaX23jiqVByUs0bqhnalNTNZh
18:43 tumeninodes   doh, did that rwong
18:44 * rubenwardy  is
18:51 Krock         KaadmY also should try to write HLSL shaders (DirectX) for it :P
18:51 tumeninodes   I heard back from thinmatrix (was hoping to lure him in on a very light scale haha) but he is extremely busy
18:55 tumeninodes   cg handles both
18:57 tumeninodes   at least this is what I read once? I do not know anything about cg but read it covers both HLSL & GLSL?
19:00 tumeninodes   http://forums.cgsociety.org/archive/index.php?t-310564.html
19:00 tumeninodes   heh, Krock.... a.k.a. .... Krock
19:01 Krock         yea. Split personality
19:01 tumeninodes   haha me too... No you're not. Yes I am... shut up
19:08 tumeninodes   anyone working on shaders has to be close to the edge as it is..., trying to get two sets of each from them will surely drive them completely mad :P
19:20 tenplus1      hi folks
19:23 tenplus1      hi MIner
19:27 Shara         Hi tenplus1
19:27 tenplus1      hi Shara o/
19:30 tumeninodes   hi tenplus1, hi Shara
19:30 tenplus1      hi tumeni
19:30 Shara         Hi tumeninodes
19:32 tumeninodes   blah, nvm cg has been deprecated and no support since 2012... figures
19:32 tenplus1      cg?
19:32 tumeninodes   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cg_(programming_language)
19:33 tenplus1      ahh
19:35 tumeninodes   Meanwhile, in the real world... "hey this thing works!" .... "discontinue it then"
19:35 tenplus1      seems to happen a lot, especially for some tv shows as well :P
19:36 tumeninodes   so true. I'm still surprised Murdoch Mysteries has survived this long
19:36 tenplus1      heh... canadian tv
19:38 tumeninodes   there was a really good show I was into called Dickensian... cancelled. BBC & CBC are better than any US choices
19:39 tenplus1      hah, inspector bucket investigates the murder of ebenezer scrooge :PP hahahaha nice
19:39 tumeninodes   he he
19:40 tenplus1      Firefly was a good show, as was a few american tv shows that had 1 season then vanishes
19:41 tumeninodes   couple other shows I liked, got canceled but can't remember the names of them now. One US one I liked was Revolution. Firefly was awesome, I have the mini movies and entire season1
19:41 tenplus1      :PPP
19:41 tumeninodes   Muricans only like kardashian, real mob wives, real housewives trashy sorta crap
19:42 tumeninodes   20 different firefighter, emergency room, police drama type shows
19:42 tenplus1      Invasion was a good show, kinda like body snatchers and the story got pretty good and then nothing... pah!
19:42 tenplus1      2005
19:42 tumeninodes   I did not even bother to get into that one, it looked too good to last
19:43 tenplus1      and there was one about a little town with a teenageer turning into a witch and gaining her powers at 17... that was great and cancelled also
19:43 tumeninodes   there is one now though called the magicians? I "think" its still going, not sure have not been watching tv much. Not a big tv person anyway
19:44 tumeninodes   I think I know the one you're talking about
19:45 tumeninodes   gotta go help my kid assemble a hampster cage... now 3 rats & a hampster... life is good :/
19:46 tenplus1      oof, good luck :P
19:46 tumeninodes   haha thanks.. ttyl
19:46 tenplus1      o/
19:52 tenplus1      o/ paramat
19:54 tenplus1      any chance of a 1-approval on game pull's #1860 #1844 #1823 :P
19:55 paramat       1860 is possibly good, need to consider more
19:55 tenplus1      :P
19:55 paramat       same with 1844
19:55 paramat       oh and 1823 *sigh*
19:55 tenplus1      the tnt changes are simply customizations that players can and will use
19:56 paramat       sorry, i'm having to prioritise my time
19:56 tenplus1      okies
19:57 paramat       hoping other devs will look too
19:57 tenplus1      would be nice
19:57 paramat       i think sofar is best qualified to review tnt stuff
19:58 * tenplus1    looks in his general direction
19:58 paramat       but it's likely i will +1 1860
19:58 tenplus1      schweey
20:02 tenplus1      hi lisac with a _
20:08 rdococ        so many people
20:08 Krock         just 49
20:08 tenplus1      hi rdococ
20:08 rdococ        Pingus: you have a golden opportunity to /nick Pingas, use it wisely
20:09 Krock         ping as 127.0.0.1
20:09 rdococ        Krock: you do not know how many people 49 is, clearly
20:09 rdococ        yaaay!
20:09 Pingas        /msg NickServ group
20:09 tenplus1      hi Krock
20:09 Pingas        consider it taken
20:09 Pingas        :D
20:09 rdococ        pingas!
20:14 Krock         rdococ, that's about 10 people who are either chatting in or reading this chat
20:15 Krock         all others are either asleep or simply not active on this channel right now
20:20 tenplus1      hi sniper
20:21 Calinou       hi
20:22 tenplus1      hi Cal
20:26 tenplus1      nite folks
20:35 rubenwardy    rdococ, there's only two people in this channel
20:35 rubenwardy    just like reddit
21:19 rdococ        heh
21:19 rdococ        So it's like a family with 49 people in it, all of them go to sleep at different times
21:40 Megaf         Id say less than 10 people reading the chat
21:41 * Shara       never sleeps
21:41 Shara         But I often don't pay much attention :)
21:51 shivajiva     ^ highly unlikely :P
22:05 rdococ        Shara must be extremely sleep deprived :P
23:11 * Sokomine    hands shara a spare bed
23:13 Sokomine      hmmmmm. regarding the coloring...i do need to apply some restrictions when showing colored items in the colormachine so that the amount of pages does not get totally out of hand
23:14 Sokomine      what i need is to apply the palette from colorfacedir and co to a single texture. is there a way to do that?
23:20 Sokomine      what i want is throwing a texture, a palette and an index for said palette to a function and get a texture back that's colored the same way the block would be
23:45 Sokomine      re paramat
23:47 Sokomine      any idea how to color individual textures according to the palette info? would be nicer than cubes...
23:59 paramat       hmm ..
23:59 paramat       have you read the docs in lua_api.txt?