Time Nick Message 00:10 rdococ could it be possible in a clientside mod? 00:12 benrob0329 http://contrastrebellion.com/ 00:18 Calinou whoa, today I learned one of Urban Terror's maps uses an ambient sound that's exactly the same as the "fire" one in Minetest 00:24 Calinou (ut4_raiders, for those wondering) 00:49 VanessaE Calinou: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10091&p=286977#p286957 04:10 sofar Calinou: many CC0 sound bites around... I've even found movies that have the same sound bites as WoW 08:43 tenplus1 hi folks 09:29 shivajiva Good morning 11 09:29 tenplus1 hi shiva 09:29 tenplus1 :P 09:30 shivajiva lol 09:31 tenplus1 hows things? 09:35 shivajiva okay I guess, c55 has stated not to hold breath waiting for server side path finding, may take him a year, so I know where I stand :/ 09:35 tenplus1 I thought it was already server side 09:36 shivajiva nowhere...this is to stop players cheating 09:36 Shara paramat tried to push for it in -dev last night 09:36 Shara response made it clear it's not a priority 09:36 tenplus1 hrm 09:36 shivajiva the thing that nobody is really bothered about, not even celeron55 09:36 Shara I find it pretty disheartening myself 09:37 shivajiva the lack of pushing security issues and letting them stagnate will see me leave this project, no doubt 09:39 Shara For me at least, servers seem to get more and more difficult to maintain, unless you are happy to run an anarchy server 09:39 shivajiva it's not that the issues are not picked up, it's what happens after they are....bit of arguing and closed PR's 09:39 tenplus1 you got pr link 09:42 Shara And before anyone just tells me to get more moderators - that isn't the issue 09:42 tenplus1 lol, am not gonna say that, I just wanna see pull request 09:42 Shara no, wasn't expecting you to Ten. You've seen how I run my servers, but it seems to be the default response any time this gets raised 09:44 shivajiva one for noclip #3894 09:49 tenplus1 I like the fast detection and reset part 09:49 tenplus1 as for fly, that's gonna be a doozy to figure 09:50 tenplus1 hi fixer 09:52 Fixer hi 09:52 rdococ yay! the fixer! 09:53 tenplus1 hi rdococ 09:53 * rdococ needs new ideas for mOdS 09:54 * Shara has too many ideas for mods 09:54 rdococ Shara: just list a random one then :P (preferably one that I would be able to do :P) 09:54 tenplus1 ehehehe, rdococ - do the chisel mod... it adds decorative block alternatives to normal blocks with the chisel used to select decorative replacement 09:54 Shara rdococ: Not sure what your abilities are :D 09:55 rdococ tenplus1: I think there's already a circular saw mod... 09:55 rdococ Shara: true, heh 09:55 tenplus1 that cuts same blocks into shapes 09:55 tenplus1 chisel lets you replace say stone with decorative stone 09:55 Shara ENgraving tool could be nice... works on blocks already placed 09:55 tenplus1 http://www.mc-mod.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/chisel-07-750x607.png 09:55 tenplus1 theres an example 09:55 rdococ eh 09:55 tenplus1 place block in upper left and it gives you selections to chisel it into :D 10:02 tenplus1 am gonna increase the suffocation damage in Xanadu so it hurts players even with good armor... that way anyone trying to noclip into solid objects without the priv will die quick :PP 10:02 Shara Problem is, to get through walls you only need less than a second 10:04 tenplus1 true :P 10:11 rdococ there's a clientside protection mod to prevent that kind of thing 10:12 tenplus1 we'll end up building so many anti-cheat checkers into the engine that it'll slow things down 10:14 * rdococ looks up the client-side lua API 10:25 rdococ hm. how to determine if the mod is being run by server/client? 10:25 tenplus1 we need settings server side to determine this and disable it 10:31 Shara It needs to be server side, and not a mod 10:31 tenplus1 +10000000000 10:33 rdococ the clientside protection mod I mentioned doesn't suffer from the same lag as the serverside protection mod, so glitching requires very fast hands and blocks that break very quickly 10:34 tenplus1 sounds good but like shara said, would need to be run from server itself onto client... 10:34 rdococ true 10:34 Shara rdococ: we can't force people to run any specific thing on their client. They are already modifying the clients to "cheat". That's the exact problem 10:35 tenplus1 unless a server can have full control of client run mods then it's useless to me 10:35 tenplus1 hi cx384 10:35 cx384 hi 10:35 Shara and there are issues with giving that control to the server as well 10:35 tenplus1 how so ? 10:36 Shara Would you like if a server could force any code it wanted to your client? 10:36 Shara I assume it would be sandboxed anyway, but it would only take a hole somewhere for aserver to be able to send you something malicious 10:36 rdococ the code is heavily sandboxed according to the api 10:36 tenplus1 if I wanted to push playerplus to run on client to lessen cycles on server then that's a good thing 10:36 Shara rdococ: what is a flaw is found in that at some point? 10:36 tenplus1 but if you take the piss and have client do a LOT it slows them down and they wont wanna play on your server 10:36 tenplus1 you give and take 10:36 Shara what if* 10:37 Shara Everyone thought WE was "safe" for such a long time after all... holes do get found. 10:37 Shara I'm not saying it's an outright reason not to have it, just that it's something to think about 10:38 Shara I seem to recall others made this point as well 10:45 Raven262 Hello tenplus1 10:45 Raven262 Hi Shara 10:45 tenplus1 hiraven 10:45 Shara Hi Raven262 10:45 tenplus1 brb 10:53 tenplus1 bk 10:57 tenplus1 wb DS 10:57 DS-minetest thx 11:03 rdococ hi DS 11:04 DS-minetest hi 11:30 tenplus1 hi Megaf 11:34 tenplus1 hi thomas 11:34 ThomasMonroe hi 11:37 tenplus1 hi Jordach 11:41 Megaf Hi all 11:41 * Megaf roars 11:43 * tenplus1 pours (another coffeee( 11:45 Megaf Dont you hate when you buy a broken expensive multimeter for cheap and then it works flawlessly? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4_iRB2DIW8 11:45 Megaf !title 11:45 ShadowBot Megaf: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB. 11:45 tenplus1 lol 11:45 Megaf EEVblog #1012 - Ebay Fluke 8842A 11:48 Megaf meh, I lost my domain name for my blog 11:48 Megaf Im fucked 11:48 tenplus1 which domain? 11:48 Megaf http://megaf.info 11:49 tenplus1 aw 11:52 Megaf I cant even complain about wordpress 11:52 Megaf they sent me an email on 22 June and another on 02 of July 11:52 Megaf and another on 12 of July 11:59 Megaf I cant believe that, it is forcing me to upgrade to premium to add my domain again 11:59 tenplus1 thats how they get you 11:59 Megaf I already fucking paid again the renewal of my domain using the link on my email 12:00 tenplus1 your in the right, log dates and payment and contact them with that, I bet they'll fix it soon enough 12:03 Megaf and why the heck when I click "Contact us" it goes to ask in the forums!? 12:04 tenplus1 sounds like a scam 12:05 Megaf "We care about your happiness! 12:05 Megaf They don't call us Happiness Engineers for nothing. If you need help, we're here for you!" 12:05 Megaf still dont know how to reach them 12:05 Megaf just the public forums 12:06 Jordach Megaf, just fucking transfer the control to another registrar 12:07 Megaf Jordach, my resgistrar is another one 12:07 Megaf but in order to cname or a record your own domain in a wordpress.com account you have to pay wordpress and annual fee 12:17 Megaf I need more coffee 14:02 Fixer JUST ONE MORE YEAR AND YOU WILL BE NAPPY 14:02 Fixer HAPPY* 14:02 ThomasMonroe nappy? 14:03 ThomasMonroe i rarely take naps as it is 14:08 Megaf My roomate just had an epileptic attack 14:08 Megaf :( 14:09 Megaf So you guys know it it happens to anyone close to you, don't hold the person 14:09 Megaf just remove things around the person so he/she doesnt hurt himself/herself 14:09 benrob0329 Good to know, thanks 14:09 Megaf and tell them it's ok 14:10 Megaf after some time the person will come back 14:10 Megaf very confused 14:10 Fixer Megaf: and smth about mouth iirc 14:10 Megaf so you and the person just have to stay calm 14:10 Megaf forget the mouth 14:10 Megaf just keep the person on his side 14:11 Fixer i've seen that too 14:11 Fixer IRL 14:11 Megaf dont give water or anything, just stay beside the person and show that everything is ok 14:11 Megaf maybe as somebody else to calmly call emergency 14:11 Fixer person with that problem I seen probably drinked a lot of alcohol before that 14:12 Megaf yep, too much alcohol leads to very low sugar, very low sugar can cause a convulsion 14:13 Megaf It might take a couple of hours for the person to come back and recover, maybe less maybe more, in this time, dont try to talk to much, 14:13 Megaf maybe contact family 14:13 Megaf remember the person might be feeling super ashamed, embarassed and confused at the same time 17:03 CWz i remember back in the golden days that mice had three buttons and no scroller 17:04 CWz i wonder what the middle one did 17:06 Megaf I had one of those 17:07 Megaf I had those with two buttons only, and serial 17:07 VanessaE in Unix systems it has probably always acted as "paste". 17:07 Megaf and had to reboot to make it work 17:07 Megaf but I still can feel the delay, latency of USB mice 17:07 Megaf nothing is faster than a serial/ps2 analogic mouse 17:07 VanessaE false... 17:08 VanessaE serial is limited to to 115k or so 17:08 Megaf you move it, it generates the signal instantly and sends an interrupt 17:08 Megaf in USB you OS have to keep asking, "Hey USB devices, whatcha doing?" 17:08 VanessaE you sure about that? 17:08 Megaf and then the USB mouse has to answer "Im moving to this side this much" 17:08 VanessaE last I checked, USB devices were event-driven 17:09 Megaf thats called polling interval? maybe 17:09 VanessaE only if the OS explicitly asks yeah 17:09 Megaf you can even change that the sys virtual FS to make your mouse more responsive 17:09 VanessaE but I highly doubt that's still in use today 17:10 VanessaE "A USB mouse generally emulates a PS2 mouse, except that it generates IRQs from the USB bus," 17:11 VanessaE (that's from a wiki page for bochs, the virtual machine) 17:11 Megaf hm 17:11 Megaf but this emulation perhaps still depends on polling frequency? 17:11 VanessaE you're probably thinking of PS/2 mice 17:11 ThomasMonroe_ hey VE 17:11 VanessaE hi. 17:12 sofar so interestingly, most USB mice nowadays only send click events as an interrupt 17:12 sofar mouse movement does not send an interrupt 17:12 VanessaE plus, Megaf serial is far slower than the slowest USB speed 17:12 VanessaE as in 115 to 230kbps versus I think 1.5-ish Mbps 17:13 Megaf but what about latency? You dont need 1 gpbs to react to a signal 17:13 VanessaE the faster your serial rate, the lower the latency is going to be, by definition 17:13 Megaf I remember playing games using joysticks attached to MIDI port 17:13 Megaf even on AMD K6-2 at 233MHz 17:14 Megaf instantaneous reactions, no latency at all 17:14 VanessaE can't be "instantaneous" 17:14 Megaf same for 100% analogic mice on PS2 (not so sure in reality about serial) 17:14 Megaf and when using anything USB, I can always "feel"/perceive the latency 17:15 Megaf by the wat https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/mouse_polling_rate#USB_device_speed 17:15 Megaf way* 17:15 VanessaE it takes a few hundred bits to send a mouse event, so at best you could expect 1k events per second max with a serial mouse 17:15 VanessaE with a USB mouse a 1kb packet at 1.5 MB/sec means 1500 events/second 17:16 VanessaE (assuming 1k, I don't know the packet size) 17:16 VanessaE s/MB/mb/ 17:16 sofar mouse events are tiny 17:16 sofar a few bytes 17:16 VanessaE right 17:16 sofar with headers and all I don't think it makes 32 bytes total 17:17 VanessaE I wasn't sure about the serial equivalent, been ages since I looked at it. 17:17 VanessaE Megaf: placebo effect :) 17:17 VanessaE or shitty drivers 17:31 CWz is PS2 mouse better or shittier than USB mouse 17:33 CWz Shittier I C 17:36 CWz Is it me or is the playerbase on VanessaE's server getting dumber by the month 17:36 VanessaE sometimes feels that way. 17:36 CWz they will all flunk out of collage for sure 17:37 CWz just like those pvp agressive guys who will grow up to be carrier criminas 17:38 CWz and those griefer will form terrorist groups 17:39 Shara Are you sure it's not the player base in general? 17:40 CWz Maybe :) i know lots of players walk into lava 17:40 Shara RC had lots of... "noisy" players last night. 17:41 CWz probably sons and daughters of crackhead parents 17:41 Shara And the number of players who think typing "cry" will get them admin attention seems to have gone up 17:41 CWz Yup hurhurhurhur 17:41 * CWz walks into lava 17:41 * Shara strolls lemming style off a cliff 17:46 CWz Nooooo 17:46 * CWz walks after Shara 17:47 Shara cry? 18:30 tenplus1 hi folks 18:32 ThomasMonroe_ hi 18:32 tenplus1 o/ Thomas 18:33 ThomasMonroe_ hey tenplus1 im updating the exoticores textures for lonsdaleite 18:34 tenplus1 kewl, adding anything fancy ? 18:34 ThomasMonroe_ gold trimming 18:34 tenplus1 ooh 18:37 tenplus1 hi Megaf 18:40 tenplus1 s'up Bob 18:40 Bobr2 ty 18:41 Megaf LXDE is goood 18:42 tenplus1 +100 on LXDE :P 18:42 tenplus1 just updated laptop to Lubuntu 17.10 18:42 Megaf real time kernel and lxde, its a rocket 18:42 tenplus1 and I hear final release in Oct. will use kernel 4.13 18:42 Megaf not fast, but responsive 18:42 tenplus1 hehehe 18:42 Bobr2 madness thats whats up 18:42 Megaf I wish my laptop had PS2 connectors 18:43 tenplus1 you can easily get usb -> ps/2 18:43 Megaf but then latency will be the same or grater than USB mouse 18:43 Megaf wouldnt it? 18:43 tenplus1 ahh, gotcha 18:43 tenplus1 cant you tweak a setting to increase that ? 18:43 Megaf Assuming PS2 is indeed more respnsive 18:45 lisac Hey tenplus1 18:45 tenplus1 hi lisac 18:45 Bobr2 btw just a warning to server admins player going around running script hacking servers under the name as CrazyCraft 18:45 tenplus1 Mobs Redo API updated (pathfinding level2 liquid drop fixed, also few other local fixes) 18:51 tenplus1 hi twoelk 18:51 twoelk hi 18:57 tenplus1 Megaf: Try changing the theme to ThinIce and see how much quicker gtk2 apps redraw :D 18:58 Megaf Noto Sans UI 8, beautiful with ThinIce and LXDE 18:58 tenplus1 am using Ubuntu Mono 9 19:05 tenplus1 any chance of a player setting to make player model physical = true 19:08 benrob0329 Just a heads up: I may be leaving YouTube with recent curation AI and YouTube TV news and being a Vidme Only creator 19:09 Calinou hi 19:09 tenplus1 hi Cal 19:09 tenplus1 what happened benrob ? 19:11 Calinou more work on my Quake map: https://lut.im/bjJlvEVKDs/L6JUgz19cmHSKpey.png 19:11 Calinou also, 1128 views on my video already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6XBi4_N5YM 19:11 tenplus1 ooh 19:11 benrob0329 tenplus1: https://vid.me/vyosh 19:12 benrob0329 Google has no good plans for YouTube, and I don't want to support a platform that throws its own creators under the bus 19:12 tenplus1 gawd, youtube is only screwing themselves out of viewers 19:13 rdococ eh? 19:15 tenplus1 so much for free speech 19:20 Calinou free speech is not really a thing with today's tech megacorps :P 19:20 tenplus1 true, they have too much power 19:20 benrob0329 Vid.me FTW! 19:20 tenplus1 everyone is entitled to an opinion, no wonder so many youtube folk switch to patreon to fund their voices 19:21 tenplus1 I kinda forgot I had a vidme account :P 19:22 lisac Calinou, is that video real time rendered? 19:22 benrob0329 A lot of YTbers are joining Vidme, so that's cool 19:22 lisac and if so, on what hardware? 19:23 Calinou lisac: yes! 19:23 Calinou GTX 1080 19:23 lisac oh right, GTX 1080 19:23 tenplus1 nice 19:23 lisac nice :D 19:23 Calinou (and i7-6700K, 32 GB RAM) 19:23 tenplus1 windows or linux ? 19:23 * benrob0329 thinks about switching to AMD 19:23 Calinou Windows 10, but you can have the same visuals and performance on Linux (with the proprietary driver) 19:24 Calinou benrob0329: NVIDIA still has the technically superior cards today, but AMD's open source drivers are ok now 19:24 benrob0329 Nvidia's drivers are a huge pain, and Intel's history is...not enlightening 19:24 benrob0329 And current practices, actually 19:24 tenplus1 I think that my next desktop will have AMD/Ati installe 19:25 Calinou Intel has decent Linux drivers, they're just too slow hardware-wise 19:25 Calinou you should be happy that you can even play some 3D games with them, this used to not be the case at all! 19:25 tenplus1 lol 19:25 benrob0329 They do, but always try to bribe other companies into not using AMD processors 19:26 Calinou in 2010, it was unthinkable to run a game like Enemy Territory at 1920×1080 with everything maxed 19:26 Calinou (at 60 FPS) 19:26 tenplus1 heh 19:26 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/osSMJRyxG0k 19:26 benrob0329 For a full history of intel 19:27 benrob0329 >tenplusone upvotes 2 of your videos 19:27 benrob0329 *upvoted 19:27 tenplus1 :P 19:27 benrob0329 :D 19:28 tenplus1 ya make good videos dude :P 19:28 Calinou someone downvoted my video :'( 19:28 Calinou I used to have 0 downvotes 19:28 benrob0329 I need to work on that 100 (and 20) subscriber special :P 19:29 benrob0329 Im hoping blender 2.8 comes out so that I can use eeVee (realtime renderer) 19:29 tenplus1 ooh 19:29 Calinou Godot 3.0 can produce visuals close to Blender Eevee :P 19:29 tenplus1 Xanadu is using the new mushroom spread pull request and it's working perfectly :D 19:29 Calinou I have 5 subscribers! :D 19:30 tenplus1 hi paramat 19:31 Shara Hi paramat 19:31 tenplus1 am watching "The Rhythm of Red Cat" again :DDD 19:31 benrob0329 Calinou: yes, but isnt as nice to animate in 19:31 benrob0329 Afaik 19:32 Calinou yes, Godot isn't made for animation 19:32 Calinou alas, it can't replace Source FilmMaker yet 19:32 * Calinou hides 19:32 tenplus1 wait, it cannot use animated entities ?? 19:33 Calinou you can't move bones/etc in Godot itself 19:33 benrob0329 It can, but it cant do full animated shorts n such 19:33 benrob0329 I mean you could...buy 19:33 tenplus1 oh 19:33 benrob0329 *but 19:33 benrob0329 Itd be a pain 19:34 benrob0329 I had some work done on it, but I really need to write a script that isnt going to kill me trying to do it 19:46 tenplus1 wb 19:48 cx384 thank you tenplus1 19:59 tenplus1 nite folks 20:16 paramat i care about improving anticheat :] unfotunately it's an area of code i have little ability in, otherwise i would be working on it. i might ask nerzhul since he seems less busy in MT now 20:18 Shara paramat: Thank you 20:18 Shara With this, I think any effort at all is appreciated 20:18 paramat it does matter to c55, the fact he would consider working on it at all shows that, as he 'officially' does not dev for MT anymore :] 20:19 paramat i suspect some other devs care too, but are too busy to work on MT currently 20:19 Shara I do hope someone can take a look at this 20:19 paramat nerz is good with client-network-server stuff so .. 20:22 paramat increase in bad players is probably related to rising popularity of smartphone use, it's 80% of MT clients i think 20:22 Shara I feel like the number of players in general has gone up, at least on my servers. 20:23 paramat not generalising, but on average they are probably more troublesome 20:23 Shara But the bad ones get noticed more. 20:23 Calinou the mobile Minetest port opened a can of worms :( 20:24 Shara Had all caps spam and people swearing at each other to deal with last night. 20:24 Shara Moderators pick them off fairly quickly at least :) 20:27 benrob0329 WHAT DO YOU MEAN I SHOULD STOP YELLING? 20:27 benrob0329 YELLING IS LOVE, YELLING IS LIFE! 20:28 paramat and of course smartphone users tend to be younger which is fine, but need more looking after 20:28 Shara I don't mind looking after them... I do mind all caps swearing :) 20:30 Calinou I AM MARRIED TO MY CAPS LOCK KEY 20:31 paramat I AM SITTING ON IT 20:32 sofar that must be painful 20:41 paramat Shara you got this too i believe? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6197 anything to add? 20:42 Shara paramat: SOunds like exactly the same issue that was reported on Dark Lands 20:43 Fixer https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=glibc-malloc-thread-cache 20:43 paramat yeah, weird it only happens around y = 0 20:43 Shara Yes, could never figure it out exactly. On some tests at the same height it didn't happen for me. 20:44 Shara Hmm. 20:44 Shara I think this was sneak related somewhat 20:45 Shara People could free themselves once old movement was enabled 20:45 paramat we could try adjusting the collisionboxes, as they're just a little higher than a half-slab 20:46 paramat make them slightly higher 20:46 Shara I might hav e aplay around with this to try and understand it again 20:46 paramat or lower 20:46 paramat it might be similar to how walking onto a low slab under a low ceiling can trap you 20:47 Shara Testing to see if I can duplicate 20:48 paramat did your bug happen for fancy and simple beds? 20:48 Shara Just replied there, but yes 20:49 paramat just saw it, thanks 20:50 Shara I think on DL the height was -1 20:55 Shara paramat: You can get onto the bed from the sides of the bottom, but not from the head 20:56 Shara So maybe working out why the head is different could help 20:56 paramat ok yeah 20:56 paramat the bottom has a 2-node selectionbox, the top has none 20:57 Shara The bed itself has two nodes... so six places you can try to enter from.. 5/6 get you trapped 20:59 paramat you're testing in singleplayer 0.4.16 stable? 21:02 Shara Yes 21:03 Shara If you have old move code, you can just tap shift to free yourself. 21:04 Shara THough it seems that depends on a few things.. so even that isn't reliable 21:09 lisac hey forum mods, will you move my mod from WIP to releases? I made a post a while ago 21:09 lisac 6 days ago. 21:14 paramat confirmed, it's just like how a slab can do the same thing 21:16 benrob0329 (Offtopic) https://vid.me/eMlfl 21:16 paramat yes a slab does the same but only at the specific height 21:17 paramat snow slab too 21:38 Shara Weird that it's only at those heights... 22:53 Fixer -- FIREFOX 22:53 Fixer 1.8gb of ram 23:33 paramat good, found the cause, just need to decide on the best fix